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Cat Forum / Cat Anecdotes / April 2008My world has turned upside down...
It's now 8:09 am About an hour ago I walked into work at the veterinary clinic.....the manager was there early and wanted to speak to me. five minutes later I stormed out of there with my last paycheck........ I got fired.......and whatever the reasons, it was non negotiable. i'm so upset I can't see straight...... I'm gonna go curl up in bed and cry now........ will post more > I got fired.......and whatever the reasons, it was non negotiable. I'm so sorry to hear that. Purrs that you will find a better job soon.  SignatureVictor M. Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM) Send your spam here: uce@ftc.gov Email me here: pistorLITTER@BOXaustin.rr.com > It's now 8:09 am > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > will post more <<<<mischief>>>>> -- Will > It's now 8:09 am > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > will post more OMG! What a terrible thing to happen! New (better) job finding purrs are on their way to you. Hugs, CatNipped > It's now 8:09 am > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > will post more Oh dear! I'm very sorry to hear this. Hope you find another (better) job very quickly. Jill I am sorry, Lee > It's now 8:09 am > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > will post more > It's now 8:09 am > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > will post more Holy crap!!!!!!!!! Kristi that is just appalling. Oh my dear. We are sending you extra-comfroting and strengthening purrs and hugs. SignatureTheresa, Stinky and Dante drtmuirATearthlink.net Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh > It's now 8:09 am > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > will post more ((((((((((Kristi)))))))))) Joy Did they even give you a "WHY?" Even if it wasn't negotiable, there had to be a "WHY". We don't need to know it is just you have to know the "WHY" in order to deal with it. > It's now 8:09 am > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > will post more > five minutes later I stormed out of there with my last > paycheck........ I'm so sorry, Kristi. SignatureMarina > It's now 8:09 am > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > will post more Oh, honey, I'm so sorry! Keep us updated when you can. kili > It's now 8:09 am > About an hour ago I walked into work at the veterinary clinic.....the > manager was there early and wanted to speak to me. > five minutes later I stormed out of there with my last > paycheck........ > I got fired.......and whatever the reasons, it was non negotiable. > i'm so upset I can't see straight...... > I'm gonna go curl up in bed and cry now........ > will post more I'm so sorry! Did they really not give you any reasons? I would be beside myself - if someone took away my livelihood, I would *need* to know why! What a shame. I know how much you loved that job... SignatureJoyce To email me, remove the triple-X from my user name. ^..^ > It's now 8:09 am > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > will post more I am sorry Mischief unfortunately it is happening all over. I have had to come out of retirement and take a job with a car service. I ma currently looking for a second job to add so more money in the pocket > It's now 8:09 am > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > will post more Condollences on this bummer. As you may or may not know I short on purrs generally but long on ideas to deal with bad happenings; just had a thought.....when you are feeling better, think this one over....as I said in another thread, I know of no radiation regulations other than precautions re exposure of hoomins to same. It might be well worth the commute for you to get a job working for an oncology office....more pay? Oncologists rake up the big treatment bucks, as we all know. You now have experience and the doc cooks up the dosage, not the techs, I bet...if the techs did it a federal law would be in tatters.....whatta ya think? hopitus cares. > It's now 8:09 am > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > will post more Wow! I hope it wasn't a job you were terribly fond of - it's one thing losing one you don't particularly like, another if you were happy there and had no idea anything was wrong. I don't know whether North Hollywood is near enough for you, nor whether they're looking for anyone at the moment, but I was very impressed with Best Friends Animal Hospital on Laurel Canyon, when I was taking my cats there. (Especially the sympathy card from the whole staff, when I had to have Patches PTS.) Worth a try, anyway. They have no connection with the shelter in Utah, but they certainly had a staff that seemed caring - also had a permanent cage in their waiting room, often housing cats for adoption. Okay, I curled up in bed, cuddled up Mischief in my arms and cried myself to sleep. "Meowmie was getting icky wet stuff on my FUR and i don't know what came overHEY.....!" (Removes Mischief from the computer) I took a long nap and had a long talk with my sister who is the most awesome sister in the world. I then wrote down the reasons given to me this morning..... 1. I had been constantly disrespectful to one of the doctors. This particular doctor is indecisive and has made decisions that end up angering the client and I have had to deal with irate clients because of her more than once. She is frustrating at times, but I gave her all the professional respect that I could as a technician. I admit at times things got strained, but I would calmly agree and do whatever she wanted. Saying that it was constant is way over the top. 2. My level of performance has been lacking. I took on a night job a few months ago and yes there have been times where I know I have not been 100%, but I have always worked extremely hard and tried to be focused on the job at hand. I had an extremely bad surgical day last month, and I even told the doctor afterwards, "thank you for being patient with me, but I am utterly ashamed with my performance and will endeavor to make sure that this never happens again. Ever." 3. I spoke inappropriately with a client who happened to be a celebrity. A brand new client came in with a German Shepherd and I put him in a room. In the course of getting background, the client asked about boarding. "I'm in a famous band and we're going on tour for a month and I want to board him." I said, "Oh really, that's exciting, may I ask what band?" Turns out he was Mix Master Mike of the rap group The Beastie Boys. I said, "Nice! You know we also have a client who is a rapper too." Then I changed the subject and moved onto talking to the dog. Apparently that little conversation was deemed as inappropriate and was the straw the broke the back. These were what I was told, and it was 'an a cumulative effect' Honestly, with the economy being so bad, business at the clinic has been bad. Employees including me, have been sent home early when its been slow. And there has been rumors of downsizing. Well, I guess then I made their choice easy for them. I did not get a chance to even defend myself. I was told it was non- negotiable at this point. So all I could was clear out my cubby and leave. I was utterly shocked. I know that with me and my personality that sometimes things I say can be misinterpreted. However, I am constantly apologizing to people because I'm paranoid about this already. I make it very clear that I'm clueless, so if I ever draw the line and do not realize it, I appreciate it someone just TELLS me. I CAN NOT BE EXPECTED TO CHANGE OR PULL BACK IF I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHEN I'VE CROSSED THE LINE. I really really HATE being told to 'tone it down' well, tone it down from what? because to me I do not feel I am too much. I'm often told I'm loud and tend to have no volume control, but there's a little fact that I know i've told the manager AND the head doctor. And i normally don't tell people anyway. I suffer from mild hearing loss. Therefore if I am too loud, someone needs to friggin TELL ME I really enjoyed working here. I learned a great deal and continued to learn. Everyone has some personality conflicts wherever they work, but I was laughing with the staff members almost every day. I still have my night job, but it pays nothing compared to what I made as a technician. So now I have to get my resume in order and start calling around. And hope that I can find a place that not only pay me what I'm worth, but also work with me as a person. Also a job that has a flexible schedule so I can still do my fire performance too, but right now i'll just take the job. *sigh* Thanks for all the purrs Kristi > Okay, I curled up in bed, cuddled up Mischief in my arms and cried > myself to sleep. [quoted text clipped - 103 lines] > > Kristi You'll find something soon. I remember how excited you were to find that place, but apparently it just wasn't your place to be. You'll get something better, sweetie. (maybe for more money, even!) kili "kilikini" >> Okay, I curled up in bed, cuddled up Mischief in my arms and cried >> myself to sleep. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >> I took a long nap and had a long talk with my sister who is the most >> awesome sister in the world. Sisters are great, aren't they? I just love my 2 sisters. My youngest sister is so sick in bed with a rather nasty stomach flu ATM :/ >> I then wrote down the reasons given to me this morning..... >> [quoted text clipped - 98 lines] > > kili I really hope you find something nice soon, someone who appreciates you and your work. You need 'character' references? You got em, by the boatload sweetie :) Major puruuuus coming your way HUG Kyla > Okay, I curled up in bed, cuddled up Mischief in my arms and cried > myself to sleep. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > I then wrote down the reasons given to me this morning..... Sounds like excuses to me. Were you the last hired? You know the saying "Last hired, first fired." Could it be that one or more of TEDs weren't able to work with your disability? Whatever, it still sounds like excuses to me. If they fire one of you, then they don't have to send others off when they have a slow day. (((((Kristi))))) you'll find something that will work better for you. You'll make it. We're rooting for you girl, Pam S. > Okay, I curled up in bed, cuddled up Mischief in my arms and cried > myself to sleep. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > I took a long nap and had a long talk with my sister who is the most > awesome sister in the world. And you had some quality time crying on Mischief. <snipped the excuses to let someone go when business is slow? > > So now I have to get my resume in order and start calling around. And > hope that I can find a place that not only pay me what I'm worth, but > also work with me as a person. In this economy, the first thing people think when someone comes in to apply isn't "why was he/she fired?" but "This person was laid off." It doesn't help if there is no job available but it does make it easier to get one if it exists. Those reasons they gave are probably why they picked YOU but I bet they felt they had to let someone go. And I bet they write you a reasonable reference. > Also a job that has a flexible schedule so I can still do my fire > performance too, but right now i'll just take the job. > Thanks for all the purrs More purrs coming, when WooToo finishes her dinner. -- Will in New Haven "Never try to out-stubborn a cat." Robert A. Heinlein" "I am not stubborn, Mr. Heinlein, I am in charge." Feather > Kristi >> Okay, I curled up in bed, cuddled up Mischief in my arms and cried >> myself to sleep. [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > picked YOU but I bet they felt they had to let someone go. And I bet > they write you a reasonable reference. References from the person who did the firing aren't necessary. When I was let go I had plenty of other people who worked with me to give references. The person who did the "letting go" had never worked side-by-side with me, she was just a Title wearing a Designer Suit. She not only couldn't have done my job if her life depended on it, she probably didn't know exactly what someone in my position *did*. (How she got to be so powerful in IT I'll never know; after burning her way through most of the long-term IT staffers on her way to the top, she was let go! LOL) The people who *know* your work are the ones to list as references. And as someone else pointed out, most companies (even small businesses) won't go into detail about why you no longer work there. They're all so terrified of lawsuits they simply verify dates of employment and that's it. Last September I was contacted by a headhunter who asked if I'd like to work there again. With the exception of that particular manager I'd loved working there. But I was honest; I didn't know if they'd hire me back. She did a little checking and said they were absolutely interested in talking with me. But then we found out about my brother possibly having lung cancer. I told the headhunter if it turned out he had cancer (he did) and if it had metasthetized (it didn't) I might have to be available for him for the long haul. I didn't feel I could commit to interviewing, possibly taking the job and then have to immediately take time off. My point is twofold: Kristi's "manager" doesn't have to be the point of contact for a reference AND that manager might not last there herself (unless it's a case of nepotism). Anything is possible :) Jill > 3. I spoke inappropriately with a client who happened to be a > celebrity. > A brand new client came in with a German Shepherd and I put him in a > room. In the course of getting background, the client asked about > boarding. > "I'm in a famous band and we're going on tour for a month and I want > to board him." > I said, "Oh really, that's exciting, may I ask what band?" > Turns out he was Mix Master Mike of the rap group The Beastie Boys. > I said, "Nice! You know we also have a client who is a rapper too." > Then I changed the subject and moved onto talking to the dog. > Apparently that little conversation was deemed as inappropriate and > was the straw the broke the back. Which part was inappropriate? None of what you said sounds even slightly inappropriate, so I don't know which thing annoyed them. Do you? Bizarre. SignatureJoyce To email me, remove the triple-X from my user name. ^..^ bastXXXette@sonic.net wrote in news:47f6ccc0$0$36332 $742ec2ed@news.sonic.net: > > 3. I spoke inappropriately with a client who happened to be a > > celebrity. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Which part was inappropriate? None of what you said sounds even slightly > inappropriate, so I don't know which thing annoyed them. Do you? Bizarre. I am sorry to disagree but it _was_ inappropriate. I owned and ran a small contracting business for 20 years. Some of my clients were quite wealthy and some were quite known. I was left alone to work in their homes for hours a day and days to weeks. If I wanted to make them feel uncomfortable all I had to do was focus attention on their wealth or fame. That is all those people needed was more people around them to worry about. There may come a time after you know each other better when one might ask questions but in this event the only answer should have been a description of boarding services. I am not famous or rich but I am paranoid as hell about where I leave my pets and that reaction could have put _me_ off. Andy > bastXXXe...@sonic.net wrote in news:47f6ccc0$0$36332 > $742ec...@news.sonic.net: [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Anyone who frequents this ng knows how important your cats are to you, as well as their care and wellbeing. You were in a different line of work than was, and I realize the difference your being in their homes meant. Bigtime difference. I had no access to their assets in an ER. Respecting your post, I differ but not disagree with your experience with the rich and famous in that they can and do act completely different in other surroundings....such as my workplace(s). ODB now RB, came through our ER in an entourage from 45 miles south - his venue in Miami - to not be in media there for an ER visit...he spent the night at our intensive care unit....while there, he had his posse bring in 50 pizzas to ER staff as well as all nursing personnel on ICU floor upstairs. Liza M. rolled through our ER w/o stopping and *commanded* the EMTs pulling her gurney - needless to say, those dudes were NOT her personal employees, LOL - to stop in their tracks so she could distribute a group of signed pics she had prepared ahead of time! When she rolled out of the hospital a few days later - again through our ER on my shift....she smiled, waved, and squealed her way out, again on a gurney, all the way out the ambulance entrance/exit....Cheap Trick gave us all their 'graphs in the CA ER I worked in there, also Steve Perry. I think celebrities would be completely different folks in their own homes, as you say, as well as it appears some revel in their fame more than others, at least from my personal experience related here. Just like us, some are friendlier than others. I was not especially friendly at work, which could work in one's favor....or not. Any time I worked in a business office, I was told never to mention one clients name to another. In this day and age people are so uptight about their space or something. On Apr 4, 7:16 pm, outsider <not@this_address.com> wrote: > bastXXXe...@sonic.net wrote in news:47f6ccc0$0$36332 > $742ec...@news.sonic.net: [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Anyone who frequents this ng knows how important your cats are to you, as well as their care and wellbeing. You were in a different line of work than was, and I realize the difference your being in their homes meant. Bigtime difference. I had no access to their assets in an ER. Respecting your post, I differ but not disagree with your experience with the rich and famous in that they can and do act completely different in other surroundings....such as my workplace(s). ODB now RB, came through our ER in an entourage from 45 miles south - his venue in Miami - to not be in media there for an ER visit...he spent the night at our intensive care unit....while there, he had his posse bring in 50 pizzas to ER staff as well as all nursing personnel on ICU floor upstairs. Liza M. rolled through our ER w/o stopping and *commanded* the EMTs pulling her gurney - needless to say, those dudes were NOT her personal employees, LOL - to stop in their tracks so she could distribute a group of signed pics she had prepared ahead of time! When she rolled out of the hospital a few days later - again through our ER on my shift....she smiled, waved, and squealed her way out, again on a gurney, all the way out the ambulance entrance/exit....Cheap Trick gave us all their 'graphs in the CA ER I worked in there, also Steve Perry. I think celebrities would be completely different folks in their own homes, as you say, as well as it appears some revel in their fame more than others, at least from my personal experience related here. Just like us, some are friendlier than others. I was not especially friendly at work, which could work in one's favor....or not. No kidding...geez, they don't need to be so rude, some can be rude, some can be nice. Go figure Hug Kyla "Granby" > Any time I worked in a business office, I was told never to mention one > clients name to another. In this day and age people are so uptight about > their space or something. > "hopitus" < > On Apr 4, 7:16 pm, outsider >> > Mischief >> > > 3. I spoke inappropriately with a client who happened >> > to be a [quoted text clipped - 76 lines] > especially friendly at work, > which could work in one's favor....or not. > Any time I worked in a business office, I was told never to mention one > clients name to another. In this day and age people are so uptight about > their space or something."hopitus" <hopi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message In a hospital setting, it's not just being uptight, it's the law. My daughter says she could be fired for simply *telling* me that a celebrity was admitted, or anyone else, for that matter. Don't think this applies in Kristi's case, tho, AFAIK, HIPAA rules don't apply to vet clinics. Sherry >> Any time I worked in a business office, I was told never to mention >> one clients name to another. In this day and age people are so [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Sherry No, HIPAA doesn't apply. Moreover, Kristi's "client" made a point of telling her who he was and that he was going on tour. He could have simply said he was going on an extended trip when inquiring about boarding. The staff doesn't need to know the details; apparently he wanted to make it *known* who he was. It's water under the bridge now, but I'd find a way to get the man's phone number and find out if HE complained about their conversation. I doubt he did. In fact, he might even be a little incensed that their conversation was used against her. Jill Jill > bastXXXette@sonic.net wrote in news:47f6ccc0$0$36332 >> Which part was inappropriate? None of what you said sounds even >> slightly inappropriate, so I don't know which thing annoyed them. >> Do you? Bizarre. > I am sorry to disagree but it _was_ inappropriate. I owned and ran a > small contracting business for 20 years. Some of my clients were quite [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > fame. That is all those people needed was more people around them to > worry about. But he was the one who brought it up, not her. So how uncomfortable could he have been about it? He probably expected that by mentioning it, he'd get special treatment or something. SignatureJoyce To email me, remove the triple-X from my user name. ^..^ Well now from reading the other comments, I can see how it could be interpreted as inappropriate. But then again THAT wasn't even explained to me. Had someone pulled me aside and told me that it was inappropriate and WHY, i would have understood. I made not have fully agreed, but I would have understood so I wouldn't do the same thing again. But in this case, there was NO explanation...... > Well now from reading the other comments, I can see how it could be > interpreted as inappropriate. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > But in this case, there was NO explanation...... Don't waste any more effort worrying about what former manager said. Monday, go file for unemployment so you'll have more income and think seriously about what I said re the ooncology vet wherever it is in your area. You have experience under your belt. You need know nothing about radiation except keep hoomins out of it, LOL.All they can say is 'no'....you are in kind of the medical field..many employers in my present and former living areas will give only the dates you worked for them to possible employers calling for references, even if you were fired! Pals in HR depts. told me the hospitals are so fearful of being' sued for badmouthing former employees they have taken this tack in general...dates of employment, This is important for you to know - they told me that when the prospective asks that oldie goldie, 'would you rehire this employee/' they will only answer that IF the inquirer is from one of their corporate-owned hospitals - I dont think you have to sweat 'corporate-owned' vet offices,LOL - and they don't just take the caller's word for who they are; they *call them back*! Don't worry about what was said, what you did wrong....Matt is right; workers of all types are being let go right and left these days because of our country's economic crisis. Hopefully, lets move on and triumph. Actually all the places I'm sending my resume are to specialty clinics....Animal Specialty Group, Animal Emergency and Surgical Center, California Animal Hospital, etc someone did mention Best Friends Animal Hospital which I did interview at 2 years ago, they seemed ok, but the didn't want to pay me whta I was worth and I got a weird feeling from the staff Thanks though, Kristi Mischief <krysfamulan@yahoo.com> wrote in news:d1cea224-1665-418a-8162- a1dab435ab78@u36g2000prf.googlegroups.com: > Actually all the places I'm sending my resume are to specialty > clinics....Animal Specialty Group, Animal Emergency and Surgical [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Kristi I would strongly suggest you find a resource of some kind (DVD, video, online, H.R. person, etc) to help you be ready to interview so you wont get "ambushed" with questions of how or why you were fired. These are "no win" type of questions that you will just need to navigate as best as you can but an expert will get you ready for that better than anyone here can. Good luck! I can't think of anything _I_ hate more than job hunting. Simple It didn't work out Enough said > Simple > > It didn't work out > > Enough said Kristi, to whom are you replying? You didn't quote any relevant text. Jill >> Simple >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Jill I think it's Andy that she's replying to. Pam S. Mischief <krysfamulan@yahoo.com> wrote in news:5d69b5b5-d163-4c00-83bf- d2501feb05f2@u10g2000prn.googlegroups.com: > Well now from reading the other comments, I can see how it could be > interpreted as inappropriate. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > But in this case, there was NO explanation...... Well, that is a whole other story. If an employee is not "shown" the ropes as well as you would like them to be it's not the employees fault. Even if you could have dealt differently with some of this I am sure the "attitude vet" and what seems like poor management was not "bringing people in" in increasing numbers. Yes, and when there were times where what I did was seen as wrong or inappropriate, I specifically asked for a further explanation. Because if I do not understand, and nothing is done to ensure that I understand I can't see how I can be held responsible > Yes, and when there were times where what I did was seen as wrong or > inappropriate, I specifically asked for a further explanation. > Because if I do not understand, and nothing is done to ensure that I > understand I can't see how I can be held responsible It's not clear who you are responding to here... SignatureJoyce To email me, remove the triple-X from my user name. ^..^ > > Yes, and when there were times where what I did was seen as wrong or > > inappropriate, I specifically asked for a further explanation. > > Because if I do not understand, and nothing is done to ensure that I > > understand I can't see how I can be held responsible > > It's not clear who you are responding to here... Again I think it's Andy that she's replying to. Pam S. >>> Yes, and when there were times where what I did was seen as wrong or >>> inappropriate, I specifically asked for a further explanation. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Pam S. It would still help if there was some relative text quoted. Jill > > <bastXXXe...@sonic.net> wrote in message > >news:47f7f03d$0$36397$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net... [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Jill sorry i just try to save space "Mischief" <... > On Apr 5, 4:32 pm, "jmcquown" : >> > <... [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > sorry i just try to save space No worries sweetie, you're tired and stressed. HUG Kyla >>> Again I think it's Andy that she's replying to. >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > sorry i just try to save space Ah! Well... stop that! LOL Really, just trim irrelevant text but leave in the attributions. That way we'll know what you're talking about and who you're talking to :) Jill Kristi, I will offer up all my prayers that you find a job that you like and that will appreciate you for what you are. You are a kind and very caring person. There is something out there in the vet world that is just right for you. Hang in there. Lily & her mama SignatureIrulan from the stars we come to the stars we return from now until the end of time. > Okay, I curled up in bed, cuddled up Mischief in my arms and cried > myself to sleep. [quoted text clipped - 103 lines] > > Kristi I am sorry that happened to you, I will pray the right thing comes along for you, Lee > Okay, I curled up in bed, cuddled up Mischief in my arms and cried > myself to sleep. [quoted text clipped - 103 lines] > > Kristi >Okay, I curled up in bed, cuddled up Mischief in my arms and cried >myself to sleep. Oh Kristi! Hugs and Purrs to you that this turns out to be a Good Thing, like being free so you can find a better job. A couple years ago, the VP where I worked told me that my position was being eliminated because they didn't have enough work for three programmers. Then he told the Unemployment people that, no, I had been fired. We got *that* corrected right away, as I had insisted on a letter of recommendation that spelled out in writing the excuses he gave (thank the Lord!). And I ended up with better work, and the chance to earn some professional certifications. Okay, it took a little bit of short-term contract work before I got my current, BETTER job... Good luck, sweetie. By the way, my younger daughter is a vet tech in San Antonio, and her name is Kristi (Christina, but she likes Krissy and I call her Kisstrina - big grin). Hugs and Purrs, Mark SignatureProof of Sanity Forged Upon Request Yeah I'm trying to look on the bright side..... The last clinic that let me go it was because the weren't letting me do anything. Then I found this place, got my license and have been learning a ton ever since. And a few months back, when the business started going south, I started looking at specialty clinics. Maybe this will be the opportunity to go to the next level. But it still royally sucks, this could have been handled SO much better. Also I'm ticked off that I have no liquor in the apartment, so I'm raiding my chocolate jar..... :P Kristi "Mischief" > Yeah I'm trying to look on the bright side..... > The last clinic that let me go it was because the weren't letting me > do anything. Then I found this place, got my license and have been [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Kristi Chocolate is wonderful for what ails you <G> Dark or milk? I love dark chocolate...soothes the senses 'Many' prayers for you to find someone who will appreciate your wonderful personality, and your skills. Yes, it certainly have been handled better. I had a similar incident.. I worked for Ticketmonster and called in sick one day with a temp of 103 and they fired me because they 'needed me that day' Pffffft!! I'd worked there for 2 years. But this isn't about me, it's about YOU. I just wanted you to see how heartlesss some people can be :/ Hug Kyla This was like back in 1982. > Yeah I'm trying to look on the bright side..... > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Kristi IMHO most people aren't Donald Trump ;) They rarely say give good explanations or handle themselves well when saying "you're fired". In your case it sounds like a bunch of excuses because they know their business is tanking. Hang in there! Something better WILL come along. Jill >> Okay, I curled up in bed, cuddled up Mischief in my arms and cried >> myself to sleep. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > letter of recommendation that spelled out in writing the excuses he > gave (thank the Lord!). I had something similar happen. I was "laid off" (heh), essentially after training my staff to do my job. I'd been ill for over a week (I'm convinced it was the stress of that job that did it to me) and under a doctor's care so he really couldn't fire me for that. The man handed me a severance check, told me how sorry he was. Then the lousy creep tried to prevent me from getting unemployment compensation! Fortunately for me the counselor at the unemployment office had had dealings with this outfit in the past. He called them while I was sitting there, went over the man's head (kind of hard to do since my boss was the CFO)... he obliquely (very obliquely!) threatened them, pointing out all the times in the past they'd tried to pull this stunt that *he* knew of. Problem solved. I'd already been looking for another job and just happened to get an interview & (better) job offer. Jill Whoa. Back up. At first I was following along and trying to understand the problem. Then you came to the part where they have been sending people who have come to work home early to save a few dollars? That is horribly inconsiderate and unprofessional. Its a dirty, stinking rotten thing to do to a low level employee who is having a hard enough time trying to get by. Its unheard of to pull such a thing on a licensed professional, which you are. So while it is always good to try to benefit from constructive criticism, don't be too quick to take this one on yourself. Yes its tough to be suddenly without a job, but don't let them get away with blaming you for their inability to run a business. Jo > Okay, I curled up in bed, cuddled up Mischief in my arms and cried > myself to sleep. [quoted text clipped - 103 lines] > > Kristi > Okay, I curled up in bed, cuddled up Mischief in my arms and cried > myself to sleep. [quoted text clipped - 101 lines] > > Thanks for all the purrs Kristi... Remember when one door closes... you will just fine!! A new (and better) opportunity will unfold for you. HANG IN THERE!!! Signature·.·´¨ ¨)) -:¦:- ¸.·´ .·´¨¨)) Laurie ((¸¸.·´ ..·´ -:¦:- ((¸¸ ·.· *~*LiveLoveLaugh*~* All that I am or hope to be, I owe to my angel mother. ~Abraham Lincoln > Kristi ." > 3. I spoke inappropriately with a client who happened to be a > celebrity. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > I said, "Nice! You know we also have a client who is a rapper too." > Then I changed the subject and moved onto talking to the dog. And this was the last straw! Nothing inappropriate that I can see,,,,if you'd launched into a tirade about the evils of rap/tried to blag some free tickets or CD's /revealed that you've always wanted to have mad passionate sex with a rap artist and asked if he would oblige then I could understand it. You were making polite conversation as one does I do it all the time > Honestly, with the economy being so bad, business at the clinic has > been bad. Employees including me, have been sent home early when its > been slow. And there has been rumors of downsizing. > > Well, I guess then I made their choice easy for them. It's still unfair beyond belief- if they have to make lay off's then last in, first out is the usual principle.if they need to lay someone off they just have to tell them there's no shame in being laid off it happens but fired is a bit extreme? I am sure someone here will know American employment law better than me but this is out of order > I'm often told I'm loud and tend to have no volume control, but > there's a little fact that I know i've told the manager AND the head [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > I suffer from mild hearing loss. And they should allow for that > Therefore if I am too loud, someone needs to friggin TELL ME Exactly years ago I hired someone with moderate hearing loss and I was enjoyed she didn't tell me because I had to pull her up for not answering the phone and it was only when I did that she explained her hearing aids had to be adapted for phone calls and she was waiting for it to be done. Until that point, she had managed to conceal her hearing loss so well I confess I thought she was either being lazy or didn't like phones. She did have a tendency to be loud and discussed it with me and her colleagues once she'd come clean (She'd had problems getting jobs because of it and it made her try to cover to get work) we all agreed that if she was getting a bit loud, we would simply and discreetly signal to her to lower her voice. She was a nice person, a real hard worker, a good team worker, all around excellent at the job and when another company brought our place and people were laid off it was almost ironic that I, her boss, got my cards and she got snatched up by one of their other branches for more money!!!! . Everyone has some personality conflicts wherever they work, Of course they do- . I've got one colleague whom I don't like and she doesn't like me in my last job I was landed with someone who made it perfectly clear he wanted to stab the other person in the office! Lesley Slave of the Fabulous Furballs > ." > [quoted text clipped - 73 lines] > > - Show quoted text - LOL - its true about the Fed HIPPA confidentiality laws and telling people who's in your hospital employer....however; HIPPA, HOPPA, HOOPA, I am no longer employed and can relate any and/or all of my celebrity brushes while I was bound by these laws. BTW ODB (if you don't know what that stands for maybe a google) is in Rapper Heaven I assume and wouldn't care what I said about him.....if you can hear me, Big Dude, thanks again for the pizzas that night! Argh....i just went browsing on craiglist for jobs..... there's a posting for a vet tech position and recognize it as my old clinic. and it's dated the day BEFORE they fired me.... *sigh* > Argh....i just went browsing on craiglist for jobs..... > there's a posting for a vet tech position and recognize it as my old > clinic. > and it's dated the day BEFORE they fired me.... > *sigh* J*sus, that *is* low. What if you had been browsing there the night before? I think what bothers me about this is the sense that they weren't telling you everything. Because the reasons they listed for firing you don't add up in my mind. These were all things that could have easily been dealt with simply by letting you know certain things are not OK or allowed, etc. I hate uncommunicative bosses! SignatureJoyce To email me, remove the triple-X from my user name. ^..^ <bastXXXette > Mischief : > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > J*sus, that *is* low. What if you had been browsing there the night > before? That IS low..geez, it's sorta like leaving the Help Wanted sign up in the window after you've been working there for awhile :/ > I think what bothers me about this is the sense that they weren't > telling you everything. Because the reasons they listed for firing > you don't add up in my mind. These were all things that could have > easily been dealt with simply by letting you know certain things are > not OK or allowed, etc. Absolutely! Geez. > I hate uncommunicative bosses! Me too > To email me, remove the triple-X from my user name. ^..^ > Argh....i just went browsing on craiglist for jobs..... > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > *sigh* Kristi, I'm SURE you can do better than that! Certainly the Greater L.A. area has lots and LOTS of veterinarians - would it do any good to simply "let your fingers do the walking" through the Yellow Pages? Also, does Pierce maintain a placement service for its graduates? Some colleges do, for people in other fields, so perhaps for vet techs, too? Good luck, I'm sure the perfect job for you is out there, just around the corner. > Argh....i just went browsing on craiglist for jobs..... > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > *sigh* Don't take it personally. Common in hospital workers' work lives. Hoomin hospitals don't like to be short-staffed - that's what its called in hoomin medical work - during busy times. Stuff like that happens frequently in that world....that's why there is a huge 'Grapevine', as in, I heard it through the......LOL. We faithfully checked the want ads daily and reported to our pals..... >> Argh....i just went browsing on craiglist for jobs..... >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > called > in hoomin medical work - during busy times. Problem with this theory is the vet clinic has been sending staffers home early because things have been so slow... Jill Oh, I'm so sorry! Job purrs either for this job to workout or for a new and better job. We are thinking of you. Debbie > It's now 8:09 am > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > will post more > It's now 8:09 am > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > will post more I'm sorry, Kristi. Hugs Yowie > i'm so upset I can't see straight...... > > I'm gonna go curl up in bed and cry now........ > > will post more I am really sorry to hear this, Kristi. We're sending purrs that something waaay better comes along soon. {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{KRISTI}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} Helen M "Mischief" > It's now 8:09 am > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > will post more Ohhhh, I am so sorry to hear about that :/ Mean TED 'manager' !! Major puuuurs that you'll find a new and better job soon. HUG Kyla > It's now 8:09 am I'm so sorry sweetie. I hope that you get good references and can get another job that is even better than this one. Pam S. worried for you >It's now 8:09 am > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >will post more Oh no! I'm so sorry Kristi... (gentle huggles) > It's now 8:09 am > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > will post more I'm so sorry, Kristi. Soothing purrs to you. I hope you will find a new and better job soon. But what an awful way to start the day. =o( Melissa > It's now 8:09 am > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > will post more I am so sorry! Try not to get too discouraged. Good vet techs are always in demand, and you're a good one. It's their loss. Sherry > I got fired.......and whatever the reasons, it was non negotiable. {{{Kristi}}} I've read the rest of the thread, and I have just one piece of advice, if you'd like it: file for unemployment. Yes, you were fired....they SAY. But in most states, they have to go through a serious set of steps in order to back up any charges of incompetence or the like. AND they have to give you a path to give you a chance to change whatever is the problem. If it was, as you were told, "non-negotiable", then they didn't do this. File the unemployment. If the office contests your right to it, they will lose. Even if they win, you at least did your part, and who knows? You might get some income from unemployment insurance to help for a while. I'm really sorry this happened. It does sound like they wanted to downsize without having to officially "lay off" people (which entitles them to, among other things, unemployment), and you got to be the lucky person who took the brunt. Hugs again, and many purrs Deborah slave to the gang of eight >> I got fired.......and whatever the reasons, it was non negotiable. > Yes, you were fired....they SAY. But in most states, they have to go > through a serious set of steps in order to back up any charges of [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > you at least did your part, and who knows? You might get some income > from unemployment insurance to help for a while. Actually, if you are fired for poor performance, you *can* collect unemployment. You don't have to prove anything. As far as unemployment is concerned, being fired for poor performance is the same as being "laid off". It's only if you're fired for a disciplinary reason, such as insubordination, drunkenness, violence, excessive absenteeism (not related to documented illness/disability), harassing someone, etc, that you can be denied benefits. Even in those cases, you might be able to get benefits anyway, especially if the reason you're fired is a subjective "I said/you said" sort of thing. The assumption is that it's not necessarily the employee's fault if they perform poorly. It could be because job expectations weren't clear, or the hiring manager made a bad judgement about the suitability of the employee (skill-wise), or the job description changed after hiring, etc. Of course, it often is the employee's fault if they do a bad job, but you can't easily prove it. Of course, if you quit a job voluntarily, you absolutely can't get benefits. SignatureJoyce - who has lost many a job, in many different ways To email me, remove the triple-X from my user name. ^..^ >> I got fired.......and whatever the reasons, it was non negotiable. > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > among other things, unemployment), and you got to be the lucky person who > took the brunt. California is an 'at will' state. An employer can let you go at any time for any reason or for no reason. However your chances of being denied unemployment are slim and none. The simple fact of sending employees home early because they weren't busy would be enough to prove your case. If there were even a case to prove. Jo > California is an 'at will' state. An employer can let you go at any time > for any reason or for no reason. However your chances of being denied > unemployment are slim and none. About 12 years ago I was fired from a job with absolutely no warning. They gave me a choice: sign an agreement that I would never sue them for wrongful dismissal, or decline their severance package. I went to see a lawyer before deciding which option to take, and he said that the only way I'd have a case was if they had given out an employee handbook stating explicitly what their process was regarding warnings, probation, firings, etc., and if they then didn't follow the policy they'd claimed to have. Since there never was any such handbook, they were free to let me go any time, without explanation, as you said. So I chose the severance. It was a shock to be suddenly fired out of the blue, but the truth was, I had been very unhappy at that job, and once the shock started to wear off, I suddenly realized, "Hey! I don't have to go in there anymore!!" :) At that point I decided to change careers, which was a very good decision. SignatureJoyce To email me, remove the triple-X from my user name. ^..^ I filed for unemployment and we shall go from there. at this point, i don't care. I'm numb but my head hurts "Mischief" ... >I filed for unemployment and we shall go from there. > > at this point, i don't care. I'm numb but my head hurts Well, there ya go then, ya done good. Take the week-end, be gudgud to yourself, and 'tomorrow will be a better day'.. that's a phrase I live by:) Love, Hugs, puuurs, Prayers and Bright Blessings are sent your way:) Kyla > It's now 8:09 am > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > will post more OMG! I'm so sorry to hear that. SignatureAdrian (Owned by Snoopy & Bagheera) Cats leave pawprints on your heart http://community.webshots.com/user/clowderuk I'm so sorry you had to go through this. Purrs being sent that you get a job you like and that pays well. ((((((((((Kristi)))))))))) Dewi > It's now 8:09 am > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > I got fired....... WHAT?! This is a bolt from the blue isn;t it? I am so sorry for you whenever I've been about to be dumped I have always had some sort of inkling that it might be coming apart from once when I had already swiftly worked out that given what they had to be paying in rent and what they were charging for their stock I should regard the job as temporary anyway The Furballs are sending their birthday ham scented purrs Try and find out what happened- I don't know the American system but over here you can sue for unfair dismissal Lesley Slave of the Fabulous Furballs >> It's now 8:09 am >> [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Slave of the Fabulous Furballs America is the land of litigation. Unfortunately, unfair dismissal is very difficult to prove and the attorney, if working on a contigency, would take 33% of any monies awarded. Jill >It's now 8:09 am > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >will post more Aw, crap that sucks! Hugs & purrs from us. B*st*rds don't know what they've given up. Signatureannoyed@net.spammers Craig, Kathi & "Cat Five" the tabby girl "One way that you can tell that 'Mythbusters' has been in the area is to look for shrapnel in the trees." - Jamie Hyneman > It's now 8:09 am > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > will post more I'm so sorry, Kristi. Hoping that an even better job will find you soon. Sam, supervised by Mistletoe Mischief <krysfamulan@yahoo.com> wrote in message: 4fabfce8-b9ff-493a-9583-832acdfd79a0@v32g2000prd.googlegroups.com, > It's now 8:09 am > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > will post more Serves you right for not having any perspective on the difference between humans and cats. SignatureBilly Colburn I'm so sorry to hear that, but I believe you will have a better job soon, have faith in it & positive thinking:) Sending our purrs & purrayers for your spirit. Dun worry, be happy! "Every cloud has its silver lining" http://meaouwytroops.blogspot.com > It's now 8:09 am > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > will post more Oh no! Lots and lots of purrs and hugs, Polonca and Soncek |
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