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Cat Forum / Cat Anecdotes / April 2008Nanki-Poo had his first radiation treatment today
What an ordeal! I picked up the food in the morning, and blocked the door in the middle of the afternoon when I knew both cats were in. It wasn't too hard to catch Nanki-Poo when it was time, but he struggled a lot when I was putting him in the carrier, and he kept struggling once he was inside. He cried pitifully for several minutes, was quiet for a while, then cried the rest of the way. The TomTom wasn't much help, because it didn't want me to go the back way. It kept telling me to turn around. When I finally got on the freeway, it figured things out and took me to the right place. At first I still couldn't find it. It was in a long area like a strip mall. Most of the businesses didn't have any addresses, or they had suite numbers. I had the instruction sheet I'd been given, and was looking at the top. That sheet had been give to me at the oncologist's office, and what it said at the top was the name of that business. Finally I found the real name, and saw where the business was. I tried the front door and it was locked. Then I thought I remembered something about going to the back door. I walked around in back, carrying Nanki-Poo in his carrier. Then, when I got to the back, none of the doors were marked, so I wasn't sure which one it was. A man saw me and told me the right one. He was just leaving after having his cat or dog treated. He said they usually put a sign on the door, but there wasn't one today. He said you have to knock. I did, and nothing happened. Then a woman from the parking came up to me and asked if I was there to have my cat treated. I said yes, and she said she was there for the same thing. She said her appointment had been for 5:45, but she hadn't found a way to get in. I told her what the man had said, and then used my keys to knock louder. She went back to her car, and someone finally opened the door. My appointment wasn't until 6:30, so I told him about the woman. He said they'd take her cat first, and then take Nanki-Poo. I was early, and her appointment was before mine, so that was fine with me. He said he couldn't let anybody in the building. I carried Nanki in his carrier around in front where I'd parked, drove around and parked in back. A little before 6:15, somebody brought the woman's cat back to her car. A little later a woman came out looking for me. She took Nanki in. I asked her if she knew where I could find a rest room, and she apologized for not being able to let me in. She told me there was a McDonald's a little way down the street, and that it would be about half an hour to 45 minutes. I went to McDonald's, and while I was there I decided I might as well get something to eat, because I was already tired and knew I wouldn't feel like cooking by the time I got home. Then I drove back, ate in the car, and waited. And waited. At 7:15, I tried knocking on the door with my keys, but nobody came. I got in my car and looked for a phone number on the papers I'd been given. I couldn't find a phone number for the facility. The name of it was there, so I called Information, but they couldn't find a phone number either. I remembered that the oncologist had said their facility was open 24/7, so I called them and asked for the phone number. The phone rang a long time before somebody answered. Then I was put on hold. When I finally got to talk to somebody, I explained, and she put me on hold again. After a minute or two, she came back on and asked me to spell my last name. Then she put me back on hold. I waited several minutes, and then somebody came out and over to my car, so I hung up. The woman who came out said that it would be another 10 minutes or so, because they wanted to wait for him to wake up from the anesthetic. Finally, about 7:35, the man I'd talked to first brought Nanki out. He explained that they were treating him on both sides of the neck and had done some sort of imaging to make sure they had the right spot. He said that it wouldn't take so long after this. Nanki-Poo complained for a while once we started home, but then he was quiet for a long time. I think he was probably sleeping. Eventually he woke up and complained some more. I finally got home about 8:20. I was really wiped out, and very glad I'd eaten. I can't afford to eat out every day, so I think after this I'll take a sandwich to eat while I wait. When we got home, Nanki-Poo wanted to go out, but he was still groggy, so I didn't think that was a good idea. I shoed him the litter box, then started fixing their food. He came out and ate. Every time I was in the kitchen, he went to the back door wanting out, but I wouldn't open it. I watched some TV, and after a while he got up and napped on my lap. I had to put him down when I finally got up. He seems okay, but he's obviously still groggy. I'd been told it would wear off pretty quickly, so I'm hoping they kept him out longer because of the extra imaging they did, and after this it won't last so long.  SignatureJoy My mind is like a parachute...it functions only when open. > What an ordeal! Wow, I'll say! What a frustrating evening. It seems weird to me that they don't let you into the building - do you know why? And all that about having to go to a back door and knock? Maybe this is normal procedure for such a place, but I would be put off by it. From the description, it sounds like you showed phenomenal patience in the face of very frustrating circumstances. I would've been hysterical - I don't tolerate frustration and unexplained strangeness very well. Purrs for Nanki! I hope the treatment works well for him. Sounds like he had an exhausting day, too. Rest well, Joyce To email me, remove the triple-X from my user name. ^..^ > > What an ordeal! > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Joyce No, I don't know why. It bothered me too. It almost seemed as though they were doing something illegal or something. I have to call about something else tomorrow, so I think I'll ask about that while I'm at it. I think by the time I finally found the place, I was too tired to express much frustration. I also knew I had to save some energy for the drive home. Thanks for the purrs. Yes, I'm sure being cooped up so much and riding in the car for so long was very frustrating and exhausting for him, and not being allowed to go outside once he got home must have added insult to injury. Joy Many purrs and wishes for strength for you and Nanki as you do this. Charleen >> > What an ordeal! >> [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > Joy Thank you, Charleen. SignatureJoy My mind is like a parachute...it functions only when open. > Many purrs and wishes for strength for you and Nanki as you do this. > Charleen [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] >> >> Joy > No, I don't know why. It bothered me too. It almost seemed as though they > were doing something illegal or something. I have to call about something > else tomorrow, so I think I'll ask about that while I'm at it. Yes, it all sounds very strange to me too. But in the end, what's important is that it works and has the desired effect on Nanki-Poo. We are purring to that end. Also purring for his Meowmie who has an exhausting time ahead of her. SignatureMarina, Miranda and Caliban. In loving memory of Frank and Nikki. >> No, I don't know why. It bothered me too. It almost seemed as though >> they were doing something illegal or something. I have to call about [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > purring to that end. Also purring for his Meowmie who has an exhausting > time ahead of her. Thank you, Marina. Those purrs are much appreciated. Joy <bastXXXette > Joy > > What an ordeal! [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > of very frustrating circumstances. I would've been hysterical - I > don't tolerate frustration and unexplained strangeness very well. Same here, Kyla interjected. Poor Nanki-Poo and poor you for having to go thru such an ordeal :( Did you get the e-mail I sent you um, day before yesterday, Joy? > Purrs for Nanki! I hope the treatment works well for him. Sounds like > he had an exhausting day, too. > Rest well, > > Joyce > > To email me, remove the triple-X from my user name. ^..^ Major purrs coming from us as well, and hope you get the much needed rest you need. Hug Kyla Mosey gives Nanki-Poo a healing <nosepoink> he feels bad about Nanki-Poo =^;;^= > <bastXXXette > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > for having to go thru such an ordeal :( > Did you get the e-mail I sent you um, day before yesterday, Joy? Oops! Yes, I did. I'll answer it soon. >> Purrs for Nanki! I hope the treatment works well for him. Sounds like >> he had an exhausting day, too. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Mosey gives Nanki-Poo a healing <nosepoink> > he feels bad about Nanki-Poo =^;;^= Thank you, Kyla. Joy Purrs for the radiation treatment to be helpful and painless for Nanki- Poo, and purrs of comfort and strength for you. Debbie > What an ordeal! I picked up the food in the morning, and blocked the door in > the middle of the afternoon when I knew both cats were in. It wasn't too [quoted text clipped - 76 lines] > > My mind is like a parachute...it functions only when open. Thank you, Debbie. SignatureJoy My mind is like a parachute...it functions only when open. Purrs for the radiation treatment to be helpful and painless for Nanki- Poo, and purrs of comfort and strength for you. Debbie On Apr 4, 3:25 am, "Joy" <toas...@real-me.net> wrote: > What an ordeal! I picked up the food in the morning, and blocked the door > in [quoted text clipped - 110 lines] > > My mind is like a parachute...it functions only when open. > What an ordeal! I picked up the food in the morning, and blocked the door > in the middle of the afternoon when I knew both cats were in. It wasn't [quoted text clipped - 71 lines] > hoping they kept him out longer because of the extra imaging they did, and > after this it won't last so long. My goodness!! What a horrible way to run a business. I would have been terribly worried and p*ssed off at that kind of shady dealings! Is there somewhere else your oncologist can refer you to? {{{{{{{{{{Joy and Nanki-Poo}}}}}}}}}} Hugs, CatNipped > My goodness!! What a horrible way to run a business. I would have been > terribly worried and p*ssed off at that kind of shady dealings! Is there [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > CatNipped Thank you, CatNipped. The facility is 37 miles from my house, and I asked the oncologist before we started if there were any place closer where I could go. He said the only other one he knew of was in Culver City, which is even farther from me, and would mean a trip down a freeway that is always crowded and slow, with lots of accidents to boot. I have a call in to him, because I have some question, including the reasons why this is done as though it were a back alley abortion clinic or something. Joy >> My goodness!! What a horrible way to run a business. I would have been >> terribly worried and p*ssed off at that kind of shady dealings! Is there [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Joy Oh dear, that sucks! Please let us know - I hope to never have to go through this but you never know and information may come in handy. Hugs, CatNipped > What an ordeal! I picked up the food in the morning, and blocked the door in > the middle of the afternoon when I knew both cats were in. It wasn't too [quoted text clipped - 76 lines] > > My mind is like a parachute...it functions only when open. I'll make this fairly short including purrs for Nanki. I am retired nationally-licensed radiology tech and what your cat is having is called radiation therapy; it takes an additional year of study and a very tough license exam, but such as I are licensed and able to *assist* in this practice, but not unsupervised.....which I did when working in facilities having a rad therapy section of radiology. All the above re hoomin patients. Now: I never worked on animals but there is nothing mysterious and nothing to be worried nor indignant about....except maybe lack of explanation from employees you dealt with. Forget the other pet owners....they don't know any more than you do therefore can't be blamed for lack of 411 to you. Rad therapy rooms in hospitals have doors that cannot be opened except by special switches only personnel know locations of. If a non-patient (or in your case, pet owner) managed to get into the therapy room you would get a blast of ionizing radiation from the machine, which once calculated and set up, runs automatically, circulating in a 360o orbit around purple-pen marked bullseye tumor or whatever on restrained patient. This is hoomins I am talking. The tech is outside the treatment room, watching through radiation proof window the whole time. A sad word of heads-up to Joy: Nanki may lose fur bigtime, just like those breast cancer women you see bald from having this same thing - radiation and/or chemo...did you think breast cancer made them bald? Uh uh. Hope Nanki doesn't lose fur but just warning in case he does it is a side effect of radiation. This as I said is the short version. Glad to be of help. Therapy techs in my former work are among the highest regarded of all types. I was a simple hard working ER trauma tech. There is NO way I wanted to do therapy, I only assisted now and then, setting up patients or doing a smaller machine called "ortho" unit which treated keloids (scars) and skin cancers....not the big guns mentioned above. As I stated before, I don't do death well. Rad therapy is *treatment* radiation, not the diagnostic kind I used for 30 years. Summation: I don't really know but suspect the locked doors and "escort" vet personnel were simply trying to do what we all in rad tech employment do: keep non-patients out of radiation area. I'll make this fairly short including purrs for Nanki. I am retired nationally-licensed radiology tech and what your cat is having is called radiation therapy; it takes an additional year of study and a very tough license exam, but such as I are licensed and able to *assist* in this practice, but not unsupervised.....which I did when working in facilities having a rad therapy section of radiology. All the above re hoomin patients. Now: I never worked on animals but there is nothing mysterious and nothing to be worried nor indignant about....except maybe lack of explanation from employees you dealt with. Forget the other pet owners....they don't know any more than you do therefore can't be blamed for lack of 411 to you. Rad therapy rooms in hospitals have doors that cannot be opened except by special switches only personnel know locations of. If a non-patient (or in your case, pet owner) managed to get into the therapy room you would get a blast of ionizing radiation from the machine, which once calculated and set up, runs automatically, circulating in a 360o orbit around purple-pen marked bullseye tumor or whatever on restrained patient. This is hoomins I am talking. The tech is outside the treatment room, watching through radiation proof window the whole time. A sad word of heads-up to Joy: Nanki may lose fur bigtime, just like those breast cancer women you see bald from having this same thing - radiation and/or chemo...did you think breast cancer made them bald? Uh uh. Hope Nanki doesn't lose fur but just warning in case he does it is a side effect of radiation. This as I said is the short version. Glad to be of help. Therapy techs in my former work are among the highest regarded of all types. I was a simple hard working ER trauma tech. There is NO way I wanted to do therapy, I only assisted now and then, setting up patients or doing a smaller machine called "ortho" unit which treated keloids (scars) and skin cancers....not the big guns mentioned above. As I stated before, I don't do death well. Rad therapy is *treatment* radiation, not the diagnostic kind I used for 30 years. Summation: I don't really know but suspect the locked doors and "escort" vet personnel were simply trying to do what we all in rad tech employment do: keep non-patients out of radiation area. ============================================================== I can understand the need for a secure/protected area because radiation is dangerous. But is it impossible for them to have a safe waiting area? It would also be nice if they had a tech explain what's going on - or at the very least a brochure detailing the procedure. And not being able to get in touch with someone (i.e. knocking at a door that nobody answers, and not having a phone number) when they had possession of my pet would have freaked me out BIG TIME! For goodness sake, at least have a buzzer intercom at the back door for concerned pet parents if there's not enough space for a waiting area. Waiting in your car for hours (in the heat or cold) for someone to come out to pick up or bring you your pet sounds like the scenario of a drug deal!! Hugs, CatNipped > I'll make this fairly short including purrs for Nanki. I am retired > nationally-licensed radiology tech [quoted text clipped - 63 lines] > > CatNipped It made me think of the illegal back alley abortion clinics there used to be before Roe v. Wade. Joy > I'll make this fairly short including purrs for Nanki. I am retired > nationally-licensed radiology tech [quoted text clipped - 63 lines] > > CatNipped Yes, I agree...lack of instruction/communication from vet facility to pet owners is what I fault, not their physical precautions. Joy, why don't you have a talk with the *vet* who actually owns the practice and explain that the secrecy and inconvenience are factors which make returning to his/her practice less than appealing to owners? His/her (vet) employees are NOT under the same mandates and educational requirements as I and all other licensed rad techs....there are NO rules for working on animals using any form of treatment except maybe cruelty statutes locally. One problem with effectiveness of complaining; as you have no doubt found out radiation treatment facilities for animals are very few and far between generally, not like normal vet offices.....main reason is you can;t just buy radiation equipment (heavily regulated and restrictive by Fed. laws) and set up a shop anywhere you wish It don't as they say take a rocket scientist to figure out 'WHY', LOL. We are talking ionizing (google that) gamma radiation after all. So this therapy vet has NO federal mandates except to do what got everybody going....keep hoomins OUT of range of any scatter from his therapy-power machinery in there. After all, he is NOT working and/or treating hoomins. AFAIC being who I am profession-wise, your valid complaint 100% is the lack of compassion, instruction, and even some sort of written preparation for the experience. No ordinary vet visit to TED indeed. But *this* TED does what he/she does for one purpose ethically: to prolong pet lives. On Apr 4, 10:31 am, "CatNipped" <CatNip...@PossiblePlaces.com> wrote: > "hopitus" <hopi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 69 lines] > > CatNipped Yes, I agree...lack of instruction/communication from vet facility to pet owners is what I fault, not their physical precautions. Joy, why don't you have a talk with the *vet* who actually owns the practice and explain that the secrecy and inconvenience are factors which make returning to his/her practice less than appealing to owners? His/her (vet) employees are NOT under the same mandates and educational requirements as I and all other licensed rad techs....there are NO rules for working on animals using any form of treatment except maybe cruelty statutes locally. One problem with effectiveness of complaining; as you have no doubt found out radiation treatment facilities for animals are very few and far between generally, not like normal vet offices.....main reason is you can;t just buy radiation equipment (heavily regulated and restrictive by Fed. laws) and set up a shop anywhere you wish It don't as they say take a rocket scientist to figure out 'WHY', LOL. We are talking ionizing (google that) gamma radiation after all. So this therapy vet has NO federal mandates except to do what got everybody going....keep hoomins OUT of range of any scatter from his therapy-power machinery in there. After all, he is NOT working and/or treating hoomins. AFAIC being who I am profession-wise, your valid complaint 100% is the lack of compassion, instruction, and even some sort of written preparation for the experience. No ordinary vet visit to TED indeed. But *this* TED does what he/she does for one purpose ethically: to prolong pet lives. ==================================================== You know, this made me remember another discussion on the "other" cat group from quite a while ago. A cat was undergoing radiation therapy for thyroid disease and she had to leave the cat at the facility until a few weeks after treatment stopped because the cat's waste products (litterbox offerings) were hazardous under some regulation or other. I wonder what's up with all this - I'd love more information about it all. Hugs, CatNipped > On Apr 4, 10:31 am, "CatNipped" <CatNip...@PossiblePlaces.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 126 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Yeah, I remember the h&b posts awhile ago you mention. Sorry, the subject is something I had to spend 2 years in school studying and 30 years practicing and the long posts here about it are for rpca friends information and are really really limited 411. Hops 95% in lurk mode in that ng, LOL. Alternatively, I am concerned Joy and others who may someday have this treatment option to 'have a clue;; about a generally unpleasant subject. Tell you something else; in all those ERs, I endured attitudes and treatment from patients varying from 'ffriendly cooperation' to 'inebriated inability to cooperate' to "downright hostility/violence' LOL but I liked the non-familiarity and fast pace of Class 1 trauma center ER work. Radiation therapy techs are in general treated to a whole different bunch of attitudes...they tell me that most of their adult patients know *exactly* why they are there, and what the tech/machine is doing for them, and act toward the techs, who after all are treating them (all those years I was only finding out what their problems were) just like they would toward nurses in hospice or intensive care units - respect, obedience, and even fondness. Now that my memory re the cat poop is jogged - that vet as well evidently didn't tell the cat's owner why the poop was kept, with their cat, hospitalized for radiation recautions. What is it with these oncology vets? Maybe they think like, 'what they don't know won't hurt them.....' > > "hopitus" <hopi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 109 lines] > > - Show quoted text - One further comment....this oncology vet needs a lesson in manners, IMHO, or perhaps he is just unaware ot the perceived cold atmosphere of no waiting' area, sitting prolonged periods in owners vehicles, complete non-411 on not only what happening in there, but what to expect later on in the next few days. Let me explain something; radiation is radiation period and for hoomins, not the same dose of the big guns, as we call them, is used for every patient.... the doc vet may have a therapy machine outmoded by the newer models, which beam their dosage levels out just like my xray ER machines....like a ray (beam) of light. Older model machines used cobalt - a high- radioactive isotope controlled by user-operator opening of a little 'door' permitting exposure of patient to the isotope's radiation for a brief time (dose). These older models are still in use, still good, as cobalt has a very long half-life (effectiveness level) but unlike state-of-the-art models used today in hospitals on hoomins, the treatment dose is harder to control, because you are dealing with a substance not an electrically generated radiation source, instantly under control by an on/off switch. All this dose stuff is inspected and approved by a radiation therapy oncologist, a form of radiologist. Still talking hoomins here. No matter how much $ this oncology vet makes from his practice, there is no way he could afford nor be approved by the Feds for a state-of-the-art therapy machine! If he has in fact an isotope-source older model - I'm sure his patients get a tiny fraction of what would have been used on any hoomin for any disease - I can't fault his precautions to the public .Manners, or P.R. is key word here. "hopitus" ... On Apr 4, 11:54 am, hopitus > On Apr 4, 10:31 am, "CatNipped" > > > "hopitus" <hopi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 112 lines] > But *this* TED does what he/she does for one purpose ethically: to > prolong pet lives.- One further comment....this oncology vet needs a lesson in manners, IMHO, or perhaps he is just unaware ot the perceived cold atmosphere of no waiting' area, sitting prolonged periods in owners vehicles, complete non-411 on not only what happening in there, but what to expect later on in the next few days. Let me explain something; radiation is radiation period and for hoomins, not the same dose of the big guns, as we call them, is used for every patient.... the doc vet may have a therapy machine outmoded by the newer models, which beam their dosage levels out just like my xray ER machines....like a ray (beam) of light. Older model machines used cobalt - a high- radioactive isotope controlled by user-operator opening of a little 'door' permitting exposure of patient to the isotope's radiation for a brief time (dose). These older models are still in use, still good, as cobalt has a very long half-life (effectiveness level) but unlike state-of-the-art models used today in hospitals on hoomins, the treatment dose is harder to control, because you are dealing with a substance not an electrically generated radiation source, instantly under control by an on/off switch. All this dose stuff is inspected and approved by a radiation therapy oncologist, a form of radiologist. Still talking hoomins here. No matter how much $ this oncology vet makes from his practice, there is no way he could afford nor be approved by the Feds for a state-of-the-art therapy machine! If he has in fact an isotope-source older model - I'm sure his patients get a tiny fraction of what would have been used on any hoomin for any disease - I can't fault his precautions to the public .Manners, or P.R. is key word here. Thank you for that, hopitus, your info was very interesting, as I myself have been in Er's alot in the years I had medical insurance and the hoomin there were so nice to me and so were the x-ray techs. I had to spend my 61st birthday in the ER with a clot in my knee, and a wonderful ER nurse brought me a really cute singing bunny and a 'get well' mylar balloon (sorry to talk about the kneez again) That was so sweet of her and they made me feel so comfortable and cared about. I admire your ability to work in an ER...it can be pretty intense in there, I know. Peace Kyla On Apr 4, 10:31 am, "CatNipped" <CatNip...@PossiblePlaces.com> wrote: > "hopitus" <hopi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 69 lines] > > CatNipped Yes, I agree...lack of instruction/communication from vet facility to pet owners is what I fault, not their physical precautions. Joy, why don't you have a talk with the *vet* who actually owns the practice and explain that the secrecy and inconvenience are factors which make returning to his/her practice less than appealing to owners? His/her (vet) employees are NOT under the same mandates and educational requirements as I and all other licensed rad techs....there are NO rules for working on animals using any form of treatment except maybe cruelty statutes locally. One problem with effectiveness of complaining; as you have no doubt found out radiation treatment facilities for animals are very few and far between generally, not like normal vet offices.....main reason is you can;t just buy radiation equipment (heavily regulated and restrictive by Fed. laws) and set up a shop anywhere you wish It don't as they say take a rocket scientist to figure out 'WHY', LOL. We are talking ionizing (google that) gamma radiation after all. So this therapy vet has NO federal mandates except to do what got everybody going....keep hoomins OUT of range of any scatter from his therapy-power machinery in there. After all, he is NOT working and/or treating hoomins. AFAIC being who I am profession-wise, your valid complaint 100% is the lack of compassion, instruction, and even some sort of written preparation for the experience. No ordinary vet visit to TED indeed. But *this* TED does what he/she does for one purpose ethically: to prolong pet lives. *** Today I spoke to the veterinary oncologist who referred me there. This is a radiation facility for humans, which they keep open after hours to treat animals. He said they don't let people in the building because they sit in the waiting room with their pets and leave hair and fleas, which makes the human patients complain. I'm still not totally happy with the way I'm treated, but as long as Nanki-Poo is getting the treatments he needs, I'll go along with it. I did urge him, rather strongly, to include an explanation of what to expect with the handout that describes the process and gives the address, and he said that was a good idea. I just hope he'll follow through on that. I wasn't the only person there yesterday who was confused, and the man who told me which door it was had the same problem on his first visit. Joy >Today I spoke to the veterinary oncologist who referred me there. This is a >radiation facility for humans, which they keep open after hours to treat >animals. I guess that at least if they happen to switch to chemotherapy that you'll be able to go to a more normal clinic. The two veterinary oncology centers I know of in my area have radiation machines dedicated to animals, but I imagine if you take a kitty to a hoomin oncology center like you did that they would have even more sophisticated equipment. > >Today I spoke to the veterinary oncologist who referred me there. This is a > >radiation facility for humans, which they keep open after hours to treat [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > oncology center like you did that they would have even more > sophisticated equipment. Glad to see you back Tak. Right you are re the equipment, yeah. Problem is unlike chemo the 'big guns'' or hoomin therapy machinery is harder to tame down to what would be a pet treatment dose (I can only theorize they use the similar dose of a small infant - during all the years I took xrays of many friends' pets...most memorable a ferret of which I was terrified - and that is how I'd calculate the xrays needed to get a good film. OTOH I was not treating anyone or anything, only filming for diagnosis, so have no clue how treatment doses are arrived at. It would kinda be like dumbing down an aircraft artillery weapon (seen frequently in WW2 old movies) - the ack-ack thing they point up at the planes - to the equivalency of a 22c revolver.....sophisticated is not always 'better' as here. >>Today I spoke to the veterinary oncologist who referred me there. This is >>a [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > oncology center like you did that they would have even more > sophisticated equipment. Yes, I would imagine so. Joy > I can understand the need for a secure/protected area because radiation is > dangerous. But is it impossible for them to have a safe waiting area? It > would also be nice if they had a tech explain what's going on - or at the > very least a brochure detailing the procedure. Or even a sign on the back door, explaining the procedure. SignatureMarina, Miranda and Caliban. In loving memory of Frank and Nikki. I'll make this fairly short including purrs for Nanki. I am retired nationally-licensed radiology tech and what your cat is having is called radiation therapy; it takes an additional year of study and a very tough license exam, but such as I are licensed and able to *assist* in this practice, but not unsupervised.....which I did when working in facilities having a rad therapy section of radiology. All the above re hoomin patients. Now: I never worked on animals but there is nothing mysterious and nothing to be worried nor indignant about....except maybe lack of explanation from employees you dealt with. Forget the other pet owners....they don't know any more than you do therefore can't be blamed for lack of 411 to you. Rad therapy rooms in hospitals have doors that cannot be opened except by special switches only personnel know locations of. If a non-patient (or in your case, pet owner) managed to get into the therapy room you would get a blast of ionizing radiation from the machine, which once calculated and set up, runs automatically, circulating in a 360o orbit around purple-pen marked bullseye tumor or whatever on restrained patient. This is hoomins I am talking. The tech is outside the treatment room, watching through radiation proof window the whole time. A sad word of heads-up to Joy: Nanki may lose fur bigtime, just like those breast cancer women you see bald from having this same thing - radiation and/or chemo...did you think breast cancer made them bald? Uh uh. Hope Nanki doesn't lose fur but just warning in case he does it is a side effect of radiation. This as I said is the short version. Glad to be of help. Therapy techs in my former work are among the highest regarded of all types. I was a simple hard working ER trauma tech. There is NO way I wanted to do therapy, I only assisted now and then, setting up patients or doing a smaller machine called "ortho" unit which treated keloids (scars) and skin cancers....not the big guns mentioned above. As I stated before, I don't do death well. Rad therapy is *treatment* radiation, not the diagnostic kind I used for 30 years. Summation: I don't really know but suspect the locked doors and "escort" vet personnel were simply trying to do what we all in rad tech employment do: keep non-patients out of radiation area. *** Thank you, Hopitus. I never expected to be allowed into a treatment room. However, I have taken numerous human patients for radiation therapy, and have always been allowed into the building, to wait in the waiting room, and to use the rest room. I have never been made to wait out in the parking lot for over an hour, with no idea what is going on and no way to find out. I knew chemo often cause loss of hair. I didn't know radiation did. It didn't have that effect on my husband. Thanks for warning me. Now I won't worry if he starts losing hair. Joy A sad word of heads-up to Joy: Nanki may lose fur bigtime, just like those breast cancer women you see bald from having this same thing - radiation and/or chemo...did you think breast cancer made them bald? Uh uh. Hope Nanki doesn't lose fur but just warning in case he does it is a side effect of radiation. =============================== People told me that Rob would lose hair due to the chemo he'd be on. His oncologist laughed and asked Rob how he felt about wearing a wig after radiation. By the time Rob was done with his 28 or so radiation treatments, I'd gotten good at unplugging the shower with a piece of wire and he'd lost the first half of his hair. There was hair in a band from ear to ear back to his neck and none from the ear forward. Later he got some hair back but it was a little different in color from the original and the texture wasn't the same. Now I tease him about his horseshoe Mohawk. I'd rather have a bald Rob than no Rob. I suspect that Joy would agree with me regarding Nanki Poo and hair loss. Nanki's buddies may look at him like he's Nuclear Nanki though. Pam S. married to Nuclear Rob > A sad word of heads-up to Joy: Nanki may lose fur bigtime, just like > those breast cancer women [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Pam S. married to Nuclear Rob Absolutely. If he loses his hair, it may bother him but it won't bother me. I'm glad we're having relatively warm weather, though. Joy > > A sad word of heads-up to Joy: Nanki may lose fur bigtime, just like > > those breast cancer women [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Sorry, Joy, our Pam has sense of humor similar to mine...Nuclear Nanki? I remembered something Pam knows about personally while I was outside dealing with what the wool moths did to my relatives' fancy pillows.....oftimes another side effect could be nausea and lack of appetite but unlike the hair loss that usually goes away before too long. My only comfort about these d*** wool moths is relatives say they eat only wool and my cats would happily play with and eat any if my place were infested with them. Glad you talked to the oncologist. What an eye-opener re the hoomin facility treating animals after hours. Commendable but odd...but as I already stated, not just anyone can even get approved to get therapy machines, and another factor is their prohibitive cost. Friends in the business and I have howled in movies where xrays not only are displayed upside down, but did you realize that due to publc ignorance and directors' wishes to have medical equipment look big and scary frightening, many scenes filmed in so called hospitals are filmed in xray therapy treatment rooms because the gantry (that's what the big thing that rotates around the table is called) looks so scary, high-tech, and science-fictiony (is that an adjective?).......my best to Nanki. Sorry, Joy, our Pam has sense of humor similar to mine...Nuclear Nanki? I remembered something Pam knows about personally while I was outside dealing with what the wool moths did to my relatives' fancy pillows.....oftimes another side effect could be nausea and lack of appetite but unlike the hair loss that usually goes away before too long. \=================== I got a radiation tek all kinds of upset by asking what color Rob's head would glow at night. He rather huffily informed me that Rob's head wouldn't glow at night or any time. I asked him what good the treatment was, then. I'd forgot about the potential for nausea and appetite loss. Rob went through a couple of days of each if I remember correctly. He's maxed his time on the table and won't be eligible for any more treatments, or so they tell me. Chemo is still an option. I was under the impression that all chemo was given IV. Imagine my astonishment and depression when Rob was handed a prescription for pills. Admittedly, the pills cost $1000 each and Rob had to take 2.5 a day, for five days a month. I informed the dr that Rob was eating the equivalent of a new car every month. The oncologist has my kind of humor. He told me that at least Rob won't have to pick bumpers out of his teeth. Pam S. > Sorry, Joy, our Pam has sense of humor similar to mine...Nuclear > Nanki? [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Pam S. My late father was on chemo for his prostate cancer for a while. It came in the form of birth control pills. Joy > My late father was on chemo for his prostate cancer for a while. It came > in the form of birth control pills. At least he didn't get pregnant. Pam S. >> My late father was on chemo for his prostate cancer for a while. It came >> in the form of birth control pills. > > At least he didn't get pregnant. > > Pam S. LOL! He did get boobs, though. Joy >>> My late father was on chemo for his prostate cancer for a while. It >>> came in the form of birth control pills. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > LOL! He did get boobs, though. I'm nosey, what cup size did he become? Pam S. >>>> My late father was on chemo for his prostate cancer for a while. It >>>> came in the form of birth control pills. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Pam S. LOL! I don't think he was ever more than an A, if there is such a thing, but he was very self-conscious about it. Joy >>>>> My late father was on chemo for his prostate cancer for a while. It >>>>> came in the form of birth control pills. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > LOL! I don't think he was ever more than an A, if there is such a thing, > but he was very self-conscious about it. If he didn't get a B cup or better, then there was nothing to worry about. I've seen guys with man boobs that should have had a C cup on them. Pam S. > I got a radiation tek all kinds of upset by asking what color Rob's head > would glow at night. He rather huffily informed me that Rob's head wouldn't > glow at night or any time. I asked him what good the treatment was, then. I love that kind of humor. It can certainly help you get through what is otherwise a horror show. I used to live with someone who had uncontrolled seizures. She had that same kind of humor and made many jokes about her "electric brain". I'm lucky <knock wood - at least I *think* my desk has some wood in it> that I haven't had an illness that severe. But if I ever do, I hope I can take it on with one-tenth that amount of humor. SignatureJoyce To email me, remove the triple-X from my user name. ^..^ > > I got a radiation tek all kinds of upset by asking what color Rob's head > > would glow at night. He rather huffily informed me that Rob's head [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > I haven't had an illness that severe. But if I ever do, I hope I can take > it on with one-tenth that amount of humor. Yes, humor can be a life-saver in tough situations. It can also sometimes make people look at you strangely. ;-) Joy > Yes, humor can be a life-saver in tough situations. It can also sometimes > make people look at you strangely. ;-) Sometimes if you don't laugh you'll cry to death. If I ever stop joking about Rob's situation, he'll know that I am too worried about him. He still wears the red plaid PJs that I bought him when he was in hospital last year. He still doesn't see anything funny about them. Pam S. who thinks the red PJs are hysterical Sorry, Joy, our Pam has sense of humor similar to mine...Nuclear Nanki? I remembered something Pam knows about personally while I was outside dealing with what the wool moths did to my relatives' fancy pillows.....oftimes another side effect could be nausea and lack of appetite but unlike the hair loss that usually goes away before too long. My only comfort about these d*** wool moths is relatives say they eat only wool and my cats would happily play with and eat any if my place were infested with them. Glad you talked to the oncologist. What an eye-opener re the hoomin facility treating animals after hours. Commendable but odd...but as I already stated, not just anyone can even get approved to get therapy machines, and another factor is their prohibitive cost. Friends in the business and I have howled in movies where xrays not only are displayed upside down, but did you realize that due to publc ignorance and directors' wishes to have medical equipment look big and scary frightening, many scenes filmed in so called hospitals are filmed in xray therapy treatment rooms because the gantry (that's what the big thing that rotates around the table is called) looks so scary, high-tech, and science-fictiony (is that an adjective?).......my best to Nanki. *** Thanks, Hopitus. The movie scenes with xray equipment remind me of the ones they used to do when computers were big things. They'd have all kinds of flashing lights on the big computers, which, of course, was totally unrealistic, but made a much better movie than if the things just sat there with the tape turning around the rolls. ;-) Joy > What an ordeal! I picked up the food in the morning, and blocked the door > in the middle of the afternoon when I knew both cats were in. It wasn't [quoted text clipped - 71 lines] > hoping they kept him out longer because of the extra imaging they did, and > after this it won't last so long. What a to-do. Poor little feller and poor you. Purrs that the treatments are effective, and also that the whole procedure gets a lot easier on both of you. SignatureTheresa, Stinky and Dante drtmuirATearthlink.net Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh > What a to-do. Poor little feller and poor you. Purrs that the treatments > are effective, and also that the whole procedure gets a lot easier on both > of you. Thank you, Theresa. At least I'll know what to expect in the future. Joy still Purring and praying > What an ordeal! I picked up the food in the morning, and blocked the door > in the middle of the afternoon when I knew both cats were in. It wasn't [quoted text clipped - 71 lines] > hoping they kept him out longer because of the extra imaging they did, and > after this it won't last so long. Thank you, Matthew. SignatureJoy My mind is like a parachute...it functions only when open. > still Purring and praying >> What an ordeal! I picked up the food in the morning, and blocked the door [quoted text clipped - 74 lines] >> hoping they kept him out longer because of the extra imaging they did, >> and after this it won't last so long. > What an ordeal! <snip> That must have been so frustrating, lots of purrs for you and Nanki-Poo. SignatureAdrian (Owned by Snoopy & Bagheera) Cats leave pawprints on your heart http://community.webshots.com/user/clowderuk > What an ordeal! I picked up the food in the morning, and blocked the door > in the middle of the afternoon when I knew both cats were in. It wasn't [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > office, and what it said at the top was the name of that business. Finally > I found the real name, and saw where the business was. I'm sorry it was so rough for the two of you. Is this a human radiation center that does animals after a certain time? They might be secretive for that reason. There are a lot of humans who wouldn't like the idea of animals being radiated on the same tables they have to lie on. For what it's worth, Rob's mom has to have her MRIs done at Washington State University's Veterinarian school on the large animal MRI machine. It's either take the one hour drive to Pullman WA or drive two hours to Spokane WA. Her neurologist is in Pullman and just sends his patients to the university. Pam S. >> What an ordeal! I picked up the food in the morning, and blocked the door >> in the middle of the afternoon when I knew both cats were in. It wasn't [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Pam S. Yes, that's exactly the same situation. I'm sure there are some people so unenlightened that they feel that way. The oncologist's explanation was that if they let people into the waiting room with their pets they might get hair or fleas in the waiting room, and the human patients would complain. Joy > What an ordeal! I picked up the food in the morning, and blocked the door in > the middle of the afternoon when I knew both cats were in. It wasn't too What a thoroughly horrid experience, and what a way to run a business. You must have been so anxious. Purrs that despite the nasty experience the radiation therapy works for poor Nanki-Poo. John, servant to their Imperial Siamese Majesties Rhia and Amy. >> What an ordeal! I picked up the food in the morning, and blocked the door >> in [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > John, servant to their Imperial Siamese Majesties Rhia and Amy. Thank you, John. Joy Today was much less stressful than yesterday. I still left much too early, but his appointment was half an hour earlier, and they took him in right on time. It was only about half an hour, and he isn't so groggy. They gave me a tentative schedule for the next week, but said that is subject to change. I'm tired, but not nearly as tired as I was yesterday. That's a good thing. I'd like to be rested up for my contest tomorrow morning. Joy > Today was much less stressful than yesterday. I still left much too early, > but his appointment was half an hour earlier, and they took him in right on > time. It was only about half an hour, and he isn't so groggy. They gave me a > tentative schedule for the next week, but said that is subject to change. I'm > tired, but not nearly as tired as I was yesterday. That's a good thing. I'd > like to be rested up for my contest tomorrow morning. Glad it went so much better today. Good-luck purrs for your contest! SignatureMarina, Miranda and Caliban. In loving memory of Frank and Nikki. >> Today was much less stressful than yesterday. I still left much too >> early, but his appointment was half an hour earlier, and they took him in [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Glad it went so much better today. Good-luck purrs for your contest! Thank you, Marina. Joy that is good news, I hope you took something to eat with you, Lee > Today was much less stressful than yesterday. I still left much too early, > but his appointment was half an hour earlier, and they took him in right on [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Joy > Today was much less stressful than yesterday. I still left much too early, > but his appointment was half an hour earlier, and they took him in right > on time. It was only about half an hour, and he isn't so groggy. They gave > me a tentative schedule for the next week, but said that is subject to > change. I'm tired, but not nearly as tired as I was yesterday. That's a > good thing. I'd like to be rested up for my contest tomorrow morning. How many appointments in his course of radiation? I think Rob had about 26 but none were on the weekend. So it took about a month and a half to get through the treatment cycle. It gets to be boring after a while. I always took a good book as Rob's treatments lasted between a half hour and an hour depending on what they needed to do. They started out with this ghastly mask made out of a combination of net and plaster of paris. Radiation points were marked on it so that they could target the correct area every time. Since there were two tumor locations, they had a grand old time organizing his mask. I was so grateful that he willingly tossed it a couple of months after he got done. The mask gave me the creeps. Good luck on your contest. What kind of contest is it? Anyway we wish you the best and please give Nanki Poo head scritches for us and love on the other owners as well. Pam S. >> Today was much less stressful than yesterday. I still left much too >> early, but his appointment was half an hour earlier, and they took him in [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > old time organizing his mask. I was so grateful that he willingly tossed > it a couple of months after he got done. The mask gave me the creeps. That does sound creepy! Nanki-Poo is supposed to have 22 treatments, and none of them are on weekends either. > Good luck on your contest. What kind of contest is it? Anyway we wish > you the best and please give Nanki Poo head scritches for us and love on > the other owners as well. Thank you. It's a Toastmasters speech contest. This particular one is Tall Tales. I've won at the club level and beat winners from other clubs at the Area level so far. This will be a Division contest, competing against other Area winners. Okay, I'll give head scritches to Nanki-Poo and to Lindy. Joy "Joy" It's a Toastmasters speech contest. This particular one is Tall > Tales. I've won at the club level and beat winners from other clubs at > the Area level so far. This will be a Division contest, competing against > other Area winners. Oh wow....that is so cool. You'll do great. Let us know Purrs to Nanki-Poo and Mosey sends him a >nosepoink> Hug Kyla > "Joy" > It's a Toastmasters speech contest. This particular one is Tall [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Hug > Kyla Thank you, Kyla. I have mixed emotions about today's contest. I spent a total of $27. $20 of that was registration, and $7 was raffle tickets. I won a $20 gift certificate to Target, so the whole thing only cost me $7. They served a good breakfast (though not until almost 11:00). The contest was fun, and I felt I was at my best. The audience responded well and I got several compliments. They gave trophies to the top three (out of 8 contestants). I didn't place, and I have no idea why. The good part of that is that I don't need any more trophies and I really can't afford to go to District, which would be the next level of the contest and would cost over $100. Joy "Joy" <... > "Kyla =^. .^=" >> [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Joy Well sweetie, you did your best, had fun and had gudgud breakfast, got a GC that you can go buy yourself something cute with:) Cat toys? LOL So it wasn't a total waste of a day...right? Just curious, how many trophies do you have? Hug Kyla <nosepoinks> from Mosey > "Joy" <... >> "Kyla =^. .^=" [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > Kyla > <nosepoinks> from Mosey Yes, I think I came out ahead today. Honestly, I don't know how many trophies I have. There are about 30 around in various rooms, but I have put several away because I didn't have any place to display them. That sounds a lot more exciting than it really is. I have been competing in Toastmasters speech contests for about 15 or 16 years. Twice a year there are two contests. One of my clubs gives trophies to its winners. Most clubs don't give them, but if you go higher (Area, Division or District) you get one if you place high enough. In most contests, trophies are given to first and second place, and sometimes to third as well. Sometimes there are only two people competing, and first and second place trophies are still given. I generally compete in all three of my Toastmasters clubs, unless or until I win in one. Because of the locations of the clubs, there may be three different contests going on at the same time, for different types of speaking. Joy > Today was much less stressful than yesterday. I still left much too early, > but his appointment was half an hour earlier, and they took him in right on > time. It was only about half an hour, and he isn't so groggy. They gave me a > tentative schedule for the next week, but said that is subject to change. I'm > tired, but not nearly as tired as I was yesterday. That's a good thing. I'd > like to be rested up for my contest tomorrow morning. That's good! Good luck tomorrow! SignatureJoyce To email me, remove the triple-X from my user name. ^..^ > > Today was much less stressful than yesterday. I still left much too > > early, [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > That's good! Good luck tomorrow! Thank you, Joyce. Joy >When we got home, Nanki-Poo wanted to go out, but he was still groggy, so I >didn't think that was a good idea. I shoed him the litter box, then started [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >longer because of the extra imaging they did, and after this it won't last >so long. Purrs for Nanki-Poo's treatments. Poor boy. I haven't been on the newsgroup as much as I should the past couple of months, but I certainly hope that I can follow your story to a happy and healthy conclusion. You've already seen this, but I refer people to Betty's story when they have cats that are going to be undergoing treatment: http://home.comcast.net/~takayuki9z/cancer.html >What an ordeal! I picked up the food in the morning, and blocked the door in >the middle of the afternoon when I knew both cats were in. It wasn't too [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >been for 5:45, but she hadn't found a way to get in. I told her what the man >had said, and then used my keys to knock louder. (snip) >Finally, about 7:35, the man I'd talked to first brought Nanki out. He >explained that they were treating him on both sides of the neck and had done [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >to eat out every day, so I think after this I'll take a sandwich to eat >while I wait. I'm sure they have to keep the owners out because of the radiation risk in the building... so somebody doesn't sue them for 'exposure'... But it seems really WEIRD that they don't have a reception/waiting room outside the radiation zone to do a proper handover and for the owners to wait! It sounds a bit bizarre... >>What an ordeal! I picked up the food in the morning, and blocked the door >>in [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] > room outside the radiation zone to do a proper handover and for the > owners to wait! It sounds a bit bizarre... The do have such an area, but since the facility is mainly for humans, they don't want people taking their animals in there. Joy > What an ordeal! I picked up the food in the morning, and blocked the door in > the middle of the afternoon when I knew both cats were in. It wasn't too [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > was the name of that business. Finally I found the real name, and saw where > the business was. Purrs for you and Nanki-Poo for success with the treatment. It is an odd story for sure that they won't let you in - I'll be interested to hear what they say about it when you ask! Susan M Otis and Chester >> What an ordeal! I picked up the food in the morning, and blocked the door >> in the middle of the afternoon when I knew both cats were in. It wasn't [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > Susan M > Otis and Chester Thank you, Susan. I spoke to the veterinary oncologist who referred me there. This is a radiation facility for humans, which they keep open after hours to treat animals. He said they don't let people in the building because they sit in the waiting room with their pets and leave hair and fleas, which makes the human patients complain. I'm still not totally happy with the way I'm treated, but as long as Nanki-Poo is getting the treatments he needs, I'll go along with it. I did urge him, rather strongly, to include an explanation of what to expect with the handout that describes the process and gives the address, and he said that was a good idea. I just hope he'll follow through on that. I wasn't the only person there yesterday who was confused, and the man who told me which door it was had the same problem on his first visit. Today was much less stressful than yesterday. I still left much too early, but his appointment was half an hour earlier, and they took him in right on time. It was only about half an hour, and he isn't so groggy. They gave me a tentative schedule for the next week, but said that is subject to change. I'm tired, but not nearly as tired as I was yesterday. That's a good thing. I'd like to be rested up for my contest tomorrow morning. Joy > Thank you, Susan. > I spoke to the veterinary oncologist who referred me there. This is a > radiation facility for humans, which they keep open after hours to treat [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > tired, but not nearly as tired as I was yesterday. That's a good thing. I'd > like to be rested up for my contest tomorrow morning. Glad you got the explanation, though it would be nice to wait inside once they take him from you! And good idea to suggest a description of the process - the mind boggles that people don't think of these things. Continued purrs for you and Nanki-Poo. Susan M Otis and Chester > > Thank you, Susan. >> [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > Susan M > Otis and Chester Thank you, Susan. Joy Purrs and prayers continuing for you both. From your description it did sound kind of fishy about the "go around to the back and knock" bit. Sam, supervised by Mistletoe > Purrs and prayers continuing for you both. From your description it did > sound kind of fishy about the "go around to the back and knock" bit. > > Sam, supervised by Mistletoe I have to wonder if they are why they are so secretive about this. I can imagine a place that does radiation treatments on pets that have cancer could attract a lot of crazies. But being left in the parking lot and not even seeing the place when you are spending such a huge amount of money there and trusting them with your kid. What sort of equipment do they have to use, and how is it regulated I wonder. Jo > I have to wonder if they are why they are so secretive about this. I can > imagine a place that does radiation treatments on pets that have cancer > could attract a lot of crazies. What sort of crazies? Not sure I'm following you here. SignatureJoyce To email me, remove the triple-X from my user name. ^..^ > > I have to wonder if they are why they are so secretive about this. I > > can > > imagine a place that does radiation treatments on pets that have cancer > > could attract a lot of crazies. > > What sort of crazies? Not sure I'm following you here. Well, first you have the animal rights nuts who would object to the pets being subjected to radiation treatment. Then you have their polar opposite who would object just as violently to radiation treatment being provided to pets when there are humans who can't afford it. And then the percentage of patients who would be offended to find that animals were being treated the same place they were being treated. Finally, I suspect their might be licensing problems with a place providing care to humans as well as animals. Hey I never said they were rational. Jo > <bastXXXette@sonic.net> wrote in message >> What sort of crazies? Not sure I'm following you here. > Well, first you have the animal rights nuts who would object to the pets > being subjected to radiation treatment. > Then you have their polar opposite who would object just as violently to > radiation treatment being provided to pets when there are humans who can't > afford it. > And then the percentage of patients who would be offended to find that > animals were being treated the same place they were being treated. > Finally, I suspect their might be licensing problems with a place providing > care to humans as well as animals. > Hey I never said they were rational. OK, thanks - I just wasn't sure what sort of crazy person would want to make trouble at an oncology center. But you've provided plenty of examples, here, so I get it now. SignatureJoyce To email me, remove the triple-X from my user name. ^..^ > > Purrs and prayers continuing for you both. From your description it did > > sound kind of fishy about the "go around to the back and knock" bit. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Jo Please see my long boring posts in this thread re your last sentence..regulated by the Feds also states. I repeat this vet has a long way to go re public relations and apparently needs lessons in how secrecy leads to strange conclusions on the part of patients companions. Joy posted he told her the hoomin patients would not go for the after-hours pet facility if they saw/were made aware of it.... > Purrs and prayers continuing for you both. From your description it did > sound kind of fishy about the "go around to the back and knock" bit. > > Sam, supervised by Mistletoe Thank you, Sam. Apparently the reason is that this a facility for humans. I suspect some people might be grossed out to think animals were being treated at the same place, so they want to keep it quiet. Personally, I'd count it a point in their favor, but it takes all kinds. Joy > Thank you, Sam. Apparently the reason is that this a facility for humans. > I suspect some people might be grossed out to think animals were being > treated at the same place, so they want to keep it quiet. Personally, I'd > count it a point in their favor, but it takes all kinds. Wouldn't bother me at all if I had to have therapy before or after an animal- don;t people realise they wipe the couch down between uses? Lesley Slave of the Fabulous Furballs On Apr 5, 10:43 pm, "Joy" <toas...@real-me.net> wrote: > Thank you, Sam. Apparently the reason is that this a facility for humans. > I suspect some people might be grossed out to think animals were being > treated at the same place, so they want to keep it quiet. Personally, I'd > count it a point in their favor, but it takes all kinds. Wouldn't bother me at all if I had to have therapy before or after an animal- don;t people realise they wipe the couch down between uses? ============= Yes, but not only are you an animalphiile, but you have common sense. You'd be surprised by how many people think that if an animal has gone near an item, it is permanently contaminated. There is also the allergen factor. I have met a few people who are honestly allergic to cats. I met one who talked with me for a little while and then said "excuse me, but do you own cats by any chance?" His eyes were already swelling and tearing up before he asked. I apologized and moved farther away from him. I was wearing clean clothing, had taken a shower and washed my hair before going to the event, so I'm sure I wasn't carrying excess cat dander. Pam S. >> Thank you, Sam. ?Apparently the reason is that this a facility for humans. >> I suspect some people might be grossed out to think animals were being >> treated at the same place, so they want to keep it quiet. ?Personally, I'd >> count it a point in their favor, but it takes all kinds. > Wouldn't bother me at all if I had to have therapy before or after an > animal- don;t people realise they wipe the couch down between uses? I'd rather share the table with an animal than with some humans... SignatureJoyce To email me, remove the triple-X from my user name. ^..^ On Apr 6, 4:49 pm, bastXXXe...@sonic.net wrote: > > On Apr 5, 10:43?pm, "Joy" <toas...@real-me.net> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > -- > Joyce Thank you....so would I, LOL. On Apr 6, 4:49 pm, bastXXXe...@sonic.net wrote: > Lesley <LMadi...@hhnt.nhs.uk> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > -- > Joyce Thank you....so would I, LOL. *** And so would I. Joy bastXXXette@sonic.net <bastXXXette@sonic.net> wrote in message: 47f9538e$0$36380$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net, >>> Thank you, Sam. ?Apparently the reason is that this a facility for >>> humans. I suspect some people might be grossed out to think animals [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > I'd rather share |
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