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Kyla  =^. .^= - 03 Apr 2008 01:10 GMT
First somebody called me and aked for 'kaYla..
I replied, there's no kaYla at this # and hung up on her.
You don't pronounce my name right, you don't get to talk to me.
Period!!
Then,
I keep getting these calls asking for my deceased (since 1991) MIL.
Some cretin just called and asked for her, and I told him in a real snotty
tone,
"how dare you call someone who has been deceased for a # of years"?
Take her off your damn list!!"
Then he proceded to 'try' and talk to me,
not offering an apology, and I barked " I don't even want to talk to you!!
and hung up!  If someone calls me next time and asks for her, I'm going to
demand to talk to the supervisor and give him a piece of my mind,
which there's not much of left anyway.
What is wrong with people???
I'm not usually snotty with 'phone people', as I've been there, done that
for a lot of years, and most of them are nice, and I politely decline their
'offers' tell them to have a nice day, etc.  Yes, I have Caller ID, but
sometimes DH gets 'legit' 800 calls.
I hate the 'recorded' ones I get too, and I usually listen and hit #2 to opt
out of their lists.  But they sell my # to other 'lists'. I don't even turn
the phones
on till around noon.
One afternoon, I was taking a catnap with my funny puuring Mosey and someone
called, asked for me, DH had answered the phone, as mine in the bedroom was
turned off.
Turns out they wanted to send me, a little old lady, some porn  videos
He declined.
LOL
Sheesh
Anyhoooo
Hugs
Kyla
Sherry - 03 Apr 2008 01:12 GMT
> One afternoon, I was taking a catnap with my funny puuring Mosey and someone
> called, asked for me, DH had answered the phone, as mine in the bedroom was
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Hugs
> Kyla

What??!!! That was surely some kids pranking you!
It's a rare thing for us to get a solicitor these days. That no-call
list
really helped stop that for the most part.
Sherry
Granby - 03 Apr 2008 01:20 GMT
The no call list didn't help much where I live.  Now, they are starting on
cell phone.

Funniest that I got said " Do to your excellent driving record, our records
show you have not had a ticket nor an accident in the last 10 years, you are
entitled to purchase this low cost insurance."  I messed with them a bit
then said "How long has this been available to legally blind persons?" Can
you believe they hung up on me?  THE NERVE!
On Apr 2, 7:10 pm, "Kyla  =^. .^=" <kyla.water...@comcast.net> wrote:
> One afternoon, I was taking a catnap with my funny puuring Mosey and
> someone
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> Hugs
> Kyla

What??!!! That was surely some kids pranking you!
It's a rare thing for us to get a solicitor these days. That no-call
list
really helped stop that for the most part.
Sherry
jmcquown - 03 Apr 2008 01:37 GMT
> The no call list didn't help much where I live.  Now, they are
> starting on cell phone.

You can register your cell phone for Do Not Call the same as a land-line.
When I got here in January Mom's phone rang off the hook with telemarketing
calls.  Now she gets the occasional auto-dialed call but those are easy
enough to hang up on.  And in fact I've discovered if with those auto-dialed
recorded calls you can press 2 on your phone and it removes you from being
called back.

Jill

> Funniest that I got said " Do to your excellent driving record, our
> records show you have not had a ticket nor an accident in the last 10
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
> really helped stop that for the most part.
> Sherry
Granby - 03 Apr 2008 01:39 GMT
That is mostly what I get.  That and politically recorded junk.
>> The no call list didn't help much where I live.  Now, they are
>> starting on cell phone.
[quoted text clipped - 32 lines]
>> really helped stop that for the most part.
>> Sherry
Jo Firey - 03 Apr 2008 04:16 GMT
>> The no call list didn't help much where I live.  Now, they are
>> starting on cell phone.
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Jill

I'll have to try that.  We are getting fairly constant recorded calls from a
couple of places.  Like once a day.

Jo
jmcquown - 03 Apr 2008 06:11 GMT
>>> The no call list didn't help much where I live.  Now, they are
>>> starting on cell phone.
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> Jo

It doesn't work with *all* of those recorded calls but seems to with a good
number of them.  I only learned about it because one day I listened to the
stupid message all the way through, intending to get to a real person and
tell them to cut it out!  At the very end the recording said something like
press 1 to reach an agent now, press 2 to be removed from our list.

Jill
Mosey  =^. .^= - 03 Apr 2008 09:57 GMT
"jmcquown"
>> "jmcquown"
>>>> The no call list didn't help much where I live.  Now, they are
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
>
> Jill

Yeahbut, they'll sell that list to someone else, as I have found out.
I had a Voice Mail that I finally checked on today, and it was a freakin
recording from a 'loan' company, blah blah blah..I kept hitting 7 to erase
the message while it was playing (comcats digital voice mail) but I had to
listen to the whole blasted thing before I could delete it.
Kyla
Kyla  =^. .^= - 03 Apr 2008 02:17 GMT
We have 2  'pre-paid' cell phones, for 'emergency' only.
They ring 'sometimes' when they're being charged.
I make DH take his if he goes out without me, in case something happens/slow
traffic, etc,  or if I forget to tell him to pick up whatever I forgot to
put on the list.
When we go to a big store together, we can use them for 'locaters'.  I'll be
on aisle 20 in the catfood section and he'll be over someplace else, so
we'll meet in the
'produce' dept or something.
Text messaging is a whole 'nother matter altogether.
I can see how it can be used 'usefully' for those who are hearing/speech
impaired, or otherwise impaired,
but why do teen-agers sit there and text to each other when they can just '
talk'?  Geez, that makes NO sense to me at all.

"Granby"
> The no call list didn't help much where I live.  Now, they are starting on
> cell phone.

Geez Sherry.  The NERVE of them indeed.
Good for you to mess with them like that <EG>
Hug
Kyla

> Funniest that I got said " Do to your excellent driving record, our
> records show you have not had a ticket nor an accident in the last 10
> years, you are entitled to purchase this low cost insurance."  I messed
> with them a bit then said "How long has this been available to legally
> blind persons?" Can you believe they hung up on me?  THE NERVE!
> "Sherry"
Geez Sherry.  The NERVE of them indeed.  Good for you to mess with them like
that <EG>

> On Apr 2, 7:10 pm, "Kyla  =^. .^="
>> One afternoon, I was taking a catnap with my funny puuring Mosey and
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> really helped stop that for the most part.
> Sherry
Daniel Mahoney - 03 Apr 2008 14:05 GMT
> Text messaging is a whole 'nother matter altogether.
> I can see how it can be used 'usefully' for those who are hearing/speech
> impaired, or otherwise impaired,
> but why do teen-agers sit there and text to each other when they can just '
> talk'?  Geez, that makes NO sense to me at all.

It can also be really useful for folks who just rally, raelly hate to talk
on the phone :)

My employer supplies me with a cell phone, and they don't object to me
using it for personal calls. But they don't want us sending personal text
messages, so I've got a 2nd cell phone, one I pay for myself, that is just
for text messaging. I know it's weird, but I absolutely hate to talk on
the phone.

Dan
jmcquown - 03 Apr 2008 14:18 GMT
>> Text messaging is a whole 'nother matter altogether.
>> I can see how it can be used 'usefully' for those who are
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> It can also be really useful for folks who just rally, raelly hate to
> talk on the phone :)

I can't *stand* talking on the phone!  When I did (phone) tech support for
such a long time, I'd turn the ringer off the moment I got home from work.
I don't have caller ID (I refuse to pay extra for it); these days I screen
calls via my answering machine.  If I'm home and if you catch me in a rare
mood, I'll answer ;)

> My employer supplies me with a cell phone, and they don't object to me
> using it for personal calls. But they don't want us sending personal
> text messages, so I've got a 2nd cell phone, one I pay for myself,
> that is just for text messaging. I know it's weird, but I absolutely
> hate to talk on the phone.

Nothing weird about it, Dan.  I'm with you.  My friends (as kili can
attest!) preface calls by saying, "I know you hate talking on the phone,
but..."  LOL  I don't do the text-msg thing, either.  I wouldn't even HAVE a
cell phone if I didn't travel.  That's the only time it ever gets used and I
have a bare bones (very few minutes) plan.

Jill
hopitus - 03 Apr 2008 18:56 GMT
> > Text messaging is a whole 'nother matter altogether.
> > I can see how it can be used 'usefully' for those who are hearing/speech
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> Dan

If anyone is really interested in why young people are so hot on
texting
instead of phone talk: I refrain from my customary "duh" and point out
that you can sit in class all day and text *silently* (no, that is not
why
he's called "Silent" Bob) behind a screen of your book(s) and yon
"teach" will never have a clue! Maybe when you fail finals. Or not.
FYI I believe land-lines are heavily victims of phone solicitation. I
dumped
land-line service years ago, like the kids use only cellular, and have
*never*
gotten a solicitation call from robot nor hoomin. Only wrong #'s once
in
awhile are dudes calling some construction business crew chief whose
# differs one digit from mine. If yoou insist on going land-line, skip
the
directory listing. Or list your cat's name and keep a straight face
and
stiff upper lip when giving it to the phone company new-service person.
Sherry - 03 Apr 2008 21:02 GMT
> > > Text messaging is a whole 'nother matter altogether.
> > > I can see how it can be used 'usefully' for those who are hearing/speech
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>
> - Show quoted text -

I really hate that "text" has become a verb. Just my off-topic .02.

Sherry
Granby - 03 Apr 2008 21:27 GMT
The young ones I know can't spell worth a crap anyway and this text
messaging isn't helping a bit.  If I were a teacher I would be yelling
bloody murder by now.
On Apr 3, 12:56 pm, hopitus <hopi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 3, 7:05 am, Daniel Mahoney <d...@catfolks.net> wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 42 lines]
>
> - Show quoted text -

I really hate that "text" has become a verb. Just my off-topic .02.

Sherry
Daniel Mahoney - 03 Apr 2008 21:38 GMT
> The young ones I know can't spell worth a crap anyway and this text
> messaging isn't helping a bit.  If I were a teacher I would be yelling
> bloody murder by now.

You know how to can spot a text message that has been sent by an oldster?
The words are spelled properly and the sentences are punctuated.

When I was looking over phones at the phone store I made a point of
locating where the ' was hidden on the keyboard. The sales-droid that was
"helping" me couldn't understand why anyone would need that.

As I've aged I've become grumpier. Now when I see a restaurant menu that
lists "ice tea" I'll call the manager over and point out the error. Woe to
the manager of a restaurant that has "donuts" on the menu! And I have to
struggle to hold back a scream when I hear someone say "I could care less".
Billy Colburn - 04 Apr 2008 03:57 GMT
Daniel Mahoney <dan@catfolks.net> wrote in message:
pan.2008.04.03.20.38.02.956614@catfolks.net,
> As I've aged I've become grumpier. Now when I see a restaurant menu
> that lists "ice tea" I'll call the manager over and point out the
> error. Woe to the manager of a restaurant that has "donuts" on the
> menu! And I have to struggle to hold back a scream when I hear
> someone say "I could care less".

Clear signs that you need to get a life.

Signature

Billy Colburn

Kyla  =^. .^= - 05 Apr 2008 08:03 GMT
"Daniel Mahoney"

>> The young ones I know can't spell worth a crap anyway and this text
>> messaging isn't helping a bit.  If I were a teacher I would be yelling
>> bloody murder by now.

Yeah, they use abreviations, like in IM, when, I IM my grandaughter
on My Space or Yahoo.

> You know how to can spot a text message that has been sent by an oldster?
> The words are spelled properly and the sentences are punctuated.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> struggle to hold back a scream when I hear someone say "I could care
> less".

You crack me up Dan <G>
Hug
Kyal
tanadashoes - 04 Apr 2008 17:33 GMT
> The young ones I know can't spell worth a crap anyway and this text
> messaging isn't helping a bit.  If I were a teacher I would be yelling
> bloody murder by now.

Nope, they just follow the local school's policy.  Here it is to confiscate
the phone and they and their parents can fight the principal's office to get
it back.  It is clearly stated that one is not supposed to have cell phones
in class or to use them on the school campus.  I'm nicer than some subs, I
give them one warning before I take the phones.  I also write down the names
of whoever had the phones in the class room and let the teacher tear a strip
out of them if s/he wishes.

Pam S.
jmcquown - 06 Apr 2008 13:12 GMT
>> The young ones I know can't spell worth a crap anyway and this text
>> messaging isn't helping a bit.  If I were a teacher I would be
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> them if s/he wishes.
> Pam S.

UR mising the !

The problem is all that text-speak seems to translate into the way these
kids write and (don't) spell.  No punctuation, no grammar, awful text-speak
abbreviations like UR instead of You're.

Jill
tanadashoes - 06 Apr 2008 17:08 GMT
>>> The young ones I know can't spell worth a crap anyway and this text
>>> messaging isn't helping a bit.  If I were a teacher I would be
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>
> Jill

You're right.  I'm glad that I don't have to tell these kids why the teacher
is giving them a lower grade for their work.  A lot of teachers feed into
this by giving them multiple choice tests etc.  I hated writing essays when
I took tests in high school, as I have totally lousy handwritting and with
dyslexia, well, spell check is my friend.  I understand essays now, it's not
just the spelliing, but grasping the concept of the question and being able
to put the answer into one's own words.

I don't use text messaging as I cannot handle the lack of English usage in
them.  I called Mandy the other day and got my first text message (that I
accepted at least) it read "in class."  Mandy is smart enough to know that
had she written "n clas" or some drivel like that I'd have torn her head off
and spit down her throat.  Her grasp of English spelling and grammer is poor
enough to turn her poor mom's hair gray.  She's still better than most kids
her age, but her writing makes me wince.  Mike can actually use the English
language as intended.

Pam S.
hopitus - 06 Apr 2008 18:10 GMT
> >> The young ones I know can't spell worth a crap anyway and this text
> >> messaging isn't helping a bit.  If I were a teacher I would be
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
>
> - Show quoted text -
Personally I have no trouble understanding it w/o doing so annoying
me......
IMHO it beats the hell out of that catspeak drivel which does belong
in
its very own pwecious ng.
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 07 Apr 2008 22:25 GMT
>>>> The young ones I know can't spell worth a crap anyway and this text
>>>> messaging isn't helping a bit.  If I were a teacher I would be
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
> in
> its very own pwecious ng.

Oh, is THAT what you guys mean by "meowspeak"?  I give my cats credit
for being at least as intelligent as adult humans, in which case they'd
be perfectly capable of employing proper spelling and grammar. (But why
would they choose to communicate in "human", when they seem to manage
quite well telepathically - with a few vocalizations for emphasis?)
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 07 Apr 2008 22:00 GMT
>>> The young ones I know can't spell worth a crap anyway and this text
>>> messaging isn't helping a bit.  If I were a teacher I would be
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> kids write and (don't) spell.  No punctuation, no grammar, awful
> text-speak abbreviations like UR instead of You're.

Well, that saves them having to remember the difference between "You're"
and "Your", and "It's" and "Its"! :-)

> Jill
jmcquown - 06 Apr 2008 13:07 GMT
> The young ones I know can't spell worth a crap anyway and this text
> messaging isn't helping a bit.  If I were a teacher I would be yelling
> bloody murder by now.

Wait until they're asked to compose resumes and write business emails LOL
Might as well write them in meow-speak!

Jill

> On Apr 3, 12:56 pm, hopitus <hopi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On Apr 3, 7:05 am, Daniel Mahoney <d...@catfolks.net> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 47 lines]
>
> Sherry
Granby - 06 Apr 2008 13:59 GMT
I suppose by the time they have to do those sort of things, the world will
be in a place where their bosses are used to doing the text thing too.  I
can figure out most meowchat, have seen a few of the text messages I can't
figure out.  Good thing I don't play the lottery, I might miss being
notified I won a gazillion dollars!
>> The young ones I know can't spell worth a crap anyway and this text
>> messaging isn't helping a bit.  If I were a teacher I would be yelling
[quoted text clipped - 56 lines]
>>
>> Sherry
Kyla  =^. .^= - 07 Apr 2008 00:08 GMT
LOL, one time I spent a dollar and got a Mega Lotto ticket and won the
'Powerball' # and won a whole two dollars.  woo hoo..I invested it in a
'sctatch' off ticket and didn't win anything, so no more of those for  me
for a while.
I coulda spent that $2 on cat food :/
Hug
Kyla
"Granby"
>I suppose by the time they have to do those sort of things, the world will
>be in a place where their bosses are used to doing the text thing too.  I
[quoted text clipped - 62 lines]
>>>
>>> Sherry
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 07 Apr 2008 21:56 GMT
>> The young ones I know can't spell worth a crap anyway and this text
>> messaging isn't helping a bit.  If I were a teacher I would be yelling
>> bloody murder by now.
>>
> Wait until they're asked to compose resumes and write business emails
> LOL Might as well write them in meow-speak!

Yeah, but by then the people to whom they SEND the resumes will be of
the same generation - "correct" grammar and spelling are ALREADY
regarded as "unimportant" in many situations!

> Jill
>
[quoted text clipped - 49 lines]
>>
>> Sherry
Yowie - 04 Apr 2008 01:32 GMT
>>> Text messaging is a whole 'nother matter altogether.
>>> I can see how it can be used 'usefully' for those who are
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
> he's called "Silent" Bob) behind a screen of your book(s) and yon
> "teach" will never have a clue! Maybe when you fail finals. Or not.

Dunno about y'all inthe US, but 'txting' is far cheaper here than making a
call (flag-fall for a phone call is the same for a text message, usually),
and you can send one txt to many people for the same price as sending it to
one person. It can be made into a sorta portable e-mail group, where you can
stay in contact with all of your friends but on *your* schedule. its a cheap
and effecient way of staying in touch when you are on the go.

The 'txt' language developed so that more info could be transmitted using
the 256 character limit per textmessage (or whatever the limit is), plus it
saves on hand movements. Its just another thing young folk take up and us
old people don't understand so much. My mother has only just discovered
e-mail groups even though her daughter (me) has been using them for 15 years
or so and has told her all about them.

I don't personally use it, but then again I don't have Ipod either. My
mobile phone is there for when I'm running late (I also use it as my address
book), but I tend to prefer the 'land line' for chatting to friends. Still,
if I was younger and wanted my own phone rather than having to share my
parent's phone line...

I can easily understand its appeal, even if I don't indulge in it myself.

Yowie
Joy - 04 Apr 2008 08:23 GMT
>>>> Text messaging is a whole 'nother matter altogether.
>>>> I can see how it can be used 'usefully' for those who are
[quoted text clipped - 44 lines]
>
> Yowie

I have to laugh at your "Us old people".  You're one of the young'uns as far
as I'm concerned.

My mother never got into newsgroups, but she did have e-mail before I did.

Joy
Kyla  =^. .^= - 05 Apr 2008 08:11 GMT
"Joy" <
> "Yowie"
>>> On Apr 3, 7:05 am, Daniel Mahoney
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>>>> myself, that is just for text messaging. I know it's weird, but I
>>>> absolutely hate to talk on the phone.

Hmmmmm, well, I guess you won't be calling me then <EG>

>>>> Dan
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 33 lines]
> I have to laugh at your "Us old people".  You're one of the young'uns as
> far as I'm concerned.

LOL

> My mother never got into newsgroups, but she did have e-mail before I did.

Not mine, she was never into computers
Hug
Kyla

> Joy
jmcquown - 06 Apr 2008 13:45 GMT
>>> It can also be really useful for folks who just rally, raelly hate
>>> to talk on the phone :)
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> friends. Still, if I was younger and wanted my own phone rather than
> having to share my parent's phone line...

When I was 18, working and still living with my parents I paid to have my
own land-line installed.  Problem solved.  Of course this was light-years
before cell phones :)

But seriously, I don't understand why 9-year-olds need cell phones.  You can
say it's in case of emergencies... to which I'd ask (as Evelyn did) what did
people do *before* cell phones?  If there was an emergency parents were
contacted by a teacher, a neighbor, the babysitter.  (And the parents were
reached at their workplace, friends' house, restaurant, etc. by way of a
land-line.)

Granted, times were different when I was a kid (pre-teenager).  For one
thing, I wasn't allowed to run around all willy-nilly.  It never would have
occurred to my mother to drop me off at a mall or an arcade.  I played on
the block within yelling distance.  If I was going to play at little Jimmy's
house she knew that's where I'd be.  Kids in my day didn't have a million
social obligations and after-school activities they had to attend to,
either.  I was a Girl Scout for a while, and I took ballet lessons.  I'm
sure some adult would have called her if I'd broken my ankle :)

Jill
Granby - 06 Apr 2008 14:03 GMT
We did not have a phone until I was in high school.  I heard my oldest
brother telling the grandkids.  "It didn't matter if we were a mile from
home or 5 miles, by the time we did something wrong and got home, Mom knew
about it.  He was right.  Or, some other parent would come out of their
house and give you a whacking for what you did.

>>>> It can also be really useful for folks who just rally, raelly hate
>>>> to talk on the phone :)
[quoted text clipped - 32 lines]
>
> Jill
Kyla  =^. .^= - 07 Apr 2008 00:33 GMT
I can remember when I was 3, almost 60 years ago, my grandma's phone that
didn't even have a dial, and I remember her phone # to this day.  As a
matter of fact, I can remember every single phone # we ever had, as well as
those of my grandmothers, both of em..why?  I have no clue.  I was reciting
them to my sister, who is 4 years younger than me, and she was amazed.
She called me a few days ago and said that ''we' were
going to start writing our 'memoirs' " ...hmmmmm...
LOL
Hug
Kyla
"Granby" ...
> We did not have a phone until I was in high school.  I heard my oldest
> brother telling the grandkids.  "It didn't matter if we were a mile from
[quoted text clipped - 40 lines]
>>
>> Jill
tanadashoes - 06 Apr 2008 17:18 GMT
> But seriously, I don't understand why 9-year-olds need cell phones.  You
> can say it's in case of emergencies... to which I'd ask (as Evelyn did)
> what did people do *before* cell phones?  If there was an emergency
> parents were contacted by a teacher, a neighbor, the babysitter.  (And the
> parents were reached at their workplace, friends' house, restaurant, etc.
> by way of a land-line.)

One of my students had a cell phone with the school's blessing.  His mom was
in the desert (Iraq), dad was in Germany,  and his grandmother, who was
raising him, was in poor health.  Both parents were on such crazy schedules
that the school felt that it was better for the boy to have his own cell
phone rather than try to throw another wrench in the works.  In this case, I
agree with the school.  When there was a test, his cell phone was placed on
the teacher's desk and he got it back after the test was done.  It worked.

Before the use of cell phones, the boy would have been unable to keep a
relationship with his family.  BTDT.  Rob found out I was pregnant with
Mandy by a card in the mail that he got shortly after his birthday.  We
couldn't afford a phone at the time and had yet to own a computer or even
know what email was.

Pam S.
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 07 Apr 2008 22:16 GMT
>>>> It can also be really useful for folks who just rally, raelly hate
>>>> to talk on the phone :)
[quoted text clipped - 30 lines]
> took ballet lessons.  I'm sure some adult would have called her if I'd
> broken my ankle :)

When I was a kid, if children were old enough to use a toilet without
help, they didn't need to be accompanied into public lavatories to
insure they'd emerge again safely, either!  (They didn't go far from
home much in those days, anyway.)  Mom or Dad may have waited for them
outside (probably in the adjacent department, if they were in a store),
or arranged to meet them nearby, but that was for convenience, not
safety.  (And if a kid was old enough to find his/her way to school
unaided, you didn't have to worry about someone abducting and molesting
them en route!)
Cheryl P. - 08 Apr 2008 11:42 GMT
> When I was a kid, if children were old enough to use a toilet without
> help, they didn't need to be accompanied into public lavatories to
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> unaided, you didn't have to worry about someone abducting and molesting
> them en route!)

Well, (a) even back then, some children were abducted, molested and had
bad experiences in public toilets and (b) even today, most parents don't
need to worry about anything of the kind, but they've been convinced by
the constant barrage of information on cases that do happen that they must.

Sometimes, parents are terrified by stuff that didn't even happen - a
few years ago, everyone around here was convinced that a local family
had had a child abducted in an amusement park in Florida. One of the
local media outlets did an investigation. No abduction had taken place
at all. It was just rumour - a typical urban legend had taken off. But I
bet a lot of parents who took their children to Florida after that
watched them eagle-eyed, just in case.

I feel sorry for some of today's children who don't get the opportunity
to begin to learn independence in the small ways, like going to a public
toilet alone while their parents shop in the adjacent department.

Cheryl
bastXXXette@sonic.net - 08 Apr 2008 21:19 GMT
> I feel sorry for some of today's children who don't get the opportunity
> to begin to learn independence in the small ways, like going to a public
> toilet alone while their parents shop in the adjacent department.

I know. When I was a kid, I often went out in the morning, and played all
day, stopping home for lunch, and then not returning until dinner time.
My parents did care where I was, and they certainly would have worried if
I didn't show up for dinner. But they didn't need to micro-manage my every
activity.

When I was a young teen, I was allowed to take public transit from the
'burbs where we lived, into the city (Boston), and hang out there for
the day. I think a lot of kids wouldn't be allowed to do that now. Several
years ago I had a good friend whose son was about 13 or 14. She wouldn't
let him ride public transit by himself! This was in the late 1980s. It's
probably even worse now.

Is the world that much more dangerous for kids now, than it was in the
60s and 70s when I was growing up? Or are people just more paranoid?

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Jo Firey - 08 Apr 2008 21:42 GMT
> > I feel sorry for some of today's children who don't get the opportunity
> > to begin to learn independence in the small ways, like going to a
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> Is the world that much more dangerous for kids now, than it was in the
> 60s and 70s when I was growing up? Or are people just more paranoid?

It is that much more dangerous.  I used to be out and about in the suburbs
of Washington DC by myself from the time I was ten or so.  That was in the
late fifties and early sixties.  Now kids are barely allowed out in their
own yards without supervision.

In part treatment of the mentally ill has changed.  I'm not advocating the
old style asylums but it was safer when crazies could be locked up.

Safety vs. individual rights has changed.

Drugs also play a role.  There are more 'recreational' psychoactive drugs
and they are more available.  So we have to deal with the behavior they
create.

Now we drive our kids to and from play dates and pray we can afford to live
in a neighborhood that isn't too dangerous.

It is bad enough now that I'm uneasy taking my granddaughter for a walk in
her stroller by myself in a good neighborhood.  And it takes a lot to
rattle me.  My daughter reminds me when I'm at her home to keep the windows
and doors closed and locked.

Jo
Cheryl P. - 08 Apr 2008 23:06 GMT
> It is that much more dangerous.  I used to be out and about in the suburbs
> of Washington DC by myself from the time I was ten or so.  That was in the
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> rattle me.  My daughter reminds me when I'm at her home to keep the windows
> and doors closed and locked.

But do people do all these things because of real threats, or perceived
threats? I don't know about the US, but in Canada the crime rate has
been *decreasing* at the same time as we hear more about what crime does
exist.

Cheryl
Jo Firey - 09 Apr 2008 00:17 GMT
>> It is that much more dangerous.  I used to be out and about in the
>> suburbs of Washington DC by myself from the time I was ten or so.  That
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
>
> Cheryl

Very real threats.  Granted because of the media, we hear more about
incidents that happen to 'others far away'.  But the media attention also
encourages and incites things to be more widespread.

Its also not as easy anymore to move to a safer town or neighborhood.
Because of the big city crackdowns on gang and drug activity, the gangs
have become more likely to go further from their home base, both the engage
in gang related activities and to seek money.

While I was at the park last week in Sacramento a county maintenance truck
stopped by.  Big power washer and water tank on the back.  The county
worker proceeded to use a large sprayer to spray a solvent over the painted
'tags' on the playground equipment.  He relaxed for a few minutes and then
used the power washer to remove the graffiti.  He proceeded to head through
the area to remove tags from fences and sidewalks and picnic areas.  Yes
its his full time job.

Now I'm not saying I wouldn't let my kids play in that park.  I think we
have to make a real effort to take back our neighborhoods.  But I wouldn't
send them off to play there alone without adult supervision either.

BTW cell phones may be a PITA, but they are very good to have when there is
an emergency or even a perceived threat.  Police would much rather do a
drive by to break up a gathering that is up to no good than to break up a
fight later or worse.

Jo
Joy - 09 Apr 2008 00:31 GMT
>>> It is that much more dangerous.  I used to be out and about in the
>>> suburbs of Washington DC by myself from the time I was ten or so.  That
[quoted text clipped - 52 lines]
>
> Jo

Cell phones aren't a problem.  People who use - or rather, misuse - them
often are.

Joy
Cheryl P. - 09 Apr 2008 12:48 GMT
> While I was at the park last week in Sacramento a county maintenance truck
> stopped by.  Big power washer and water tank on the back.  The county
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> drive by to break up a gathering that is up to no good than to break up a
> fight later or worse.

I grew up in a very small town of the type most people - even people who
grew up there when I did - think of as idyllic and safe. Nevertheless,
there was graffiti. There was drunkeness, and other drugs had begun to
move in. There were suicides, bullying, wife-beating (one memorable bit
of gossip I overheard as a child was along the lines of condemning one
husband, not because he hit is wife, but because he did so in view of
the community in front of the living room kitchen window while she was
pregnant!), and an attempt or two to burn down the school. Child sexual
abuse wasn't unknown, although it was certainly only whispered about.

Now, obviously, there are neighbourhoods today - like a big city one I
visit relatives in regularly - that have larger numbers of drug and
alcohol offenders and more outright killings than any small town. Some
of them even have larger *percentages* of people engaged in violent
crime. But even there, most people don't participate in and are not
victimized by these things, and my relatives are inured to although of
course not pleased by the regular police visits in their area. The worst
any of them suffered from crime was purse-snatching - something that
happens here; in any city. In small towns in this region where the young
 thugs might be known on sight to their victims, there isn't much
purse-snatching. The criminals break into the houses at night and steal
purses and wallets - from the bedside table, sometimes.

There never was a time or place when life was *guaranteed* safe. When I
was a child given a good bit of freedom, I could have suffered worse
than bullying at the hands of the local toughs, or encountered someone I
should have avoided in the woods, or even grown up and married someone
who would proceed to try to treat me as his father had treated his
mother. I learned to deal with dangers gradually. I suspect that many of
the fears many people have of their towns are based on a misjudgement of
the real risks - and that what risks exist are increased somewhat by the
reluctance of people to spend time outside in public areas.

I've seen something of this in my own city. It's a small one with quite
a low crime rate. That's not to say we don't have crime. But the
reactions of people vary. I consider it perfectly safe to go anywhere in
the city in the daytime. There are a few areas I wouldn't walk alone
late at night, especially when the bars are letting out. Some people
refuse to live or walk anywhere alone for fear of the crime. These two
responses can't both be reasonable responses to the same situation!

Cheryl
Adrian - 08 Apr 2008 21:49 GMT
>> I feel sorry for some of today's children who don't get the
>> opportunity to begin to learn independence in the small ways, like
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> Is the world that much more dangerous for kids now, than it was in the
> 60s and 70s when I was growing up? Or are people just more paranoid?

People are just more paranoid, I think if anything it's safer now for kids
as they are more likely to be believed. That's if they tell people what
happens to them, some things that happened to me as a very young child I
never told anyone about.
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bastXXXette@sonic.net - 09 Apr 2008 01:45 GMT
>> Is the world that much more dangerous for kids now, than it was in the
>> 60s and 70s when I was growing up? Or are people just more paranoid?

> People are just more paranoid, I think if anything it's safer now for kids
> as they are more likely to be believed. That's if they tell people what
> happens to them, some things that happened to me as a very young child I
> never told anyone about.

This is a good point, Adrian. On one hand, there's more crime now. On the
other hand, people are paying more attention to kids, and are more informed
and alert for signs of trouble than they ever were when I was young.

But I do believe in the notion that we have a "culture of fear" that keeps
us all locked safely behind our doors. Not that I'm so great at opening my
door - if I'm home alone and not expecting company, and the doorbell rings,
I always ask "Who is it?" before opening it. Some people would probably say
that's just common sense, but I've heard other people say it comes across
as unsociable and paranoid. Whatever. I think we have a lot more fear than
is warranted, but unfortunately, it affects me.

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jmcquown - 11 Apr 2008 15:32 GMT
>>> Is the world that much more dangerous for kids now, than it was in
>>> the 60s and 70s when I was growing up? Or are people just more
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> Whatever. I think we have a lot more fear than is warranted, but
> unfortunately, it affects me.

I've probably told this tale before.  I had a younger neighbor in the
adjoining apartment some years ago who saw me coming home from work one day.
She said a man had knocked on her door the day before claiming to be my
brother (Robert - I don't have a brother named Robert but she didn't know
that).  She did NOT (thank Bast!) open the door.  He fed her some line
through the door about how his truck broke down in the middle of the street
a few blocks away.  (My brother also didn't drive a truck, but again, she
didn't know that.)  He told her he'd walked to my place to use my phone but
I wasn't home.  Well, she could see my car from her window so she knew it
was a load of crap.  I'd like to think she wouldn't have opened the door to
this guy even if my car wasn't there, but who knows?  She did the smart
thing, though.  Told him she'd be glad to call the cops since they'd be
happy to help him get his "truck" out of the middle of the road.  Of course
he left.

Jill
Cheryl P. - 11 Apr 2008 16:34 GMT
>  >> Is the world that much more dangerous for kids now, than it was in the
>  >> 60s and 70s when I was growing up? Or are people just more paranoid?
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> other hand, people are paying more attention to kids, and are more informed
> and alert for signs of trouble than they ever were when I was young.

Actually, in my country, there's less crime than there used to be. The
rates have been declining for years. I think the situation is the same
in the US, at least in the national statistics, but of course it's hard
to compare across jurisdictions because of differences in reporting
methods. One local expert on crime figures the best ones to look at are
murders and car thefts - they tend to be reported at pretty consistently
high rates and they're pretty easy to classify.

> But I do believe in the notion that we have a "culture of fear" that keeps
> us all locked safely behind our doors. Not that I'm so great at opening my
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> as unsociable and paranoid. Whatever. I think we have a lot more fear than
> is warranted, but unfortunately, it affects me.

I take what I consider to be reasonable precautions in my life. I just
think a lot of people waste a lot of time and energy with unreasonable
precautions when they live in areas in which other dangers, like car
accidents, are far more of a danger than violent criminal assault or
even theft.

But of course, everyone is entirely free to take whatever precautions
they feel are necessary.

Cheryl
Jo Firey - 11 Apr 2008 21:28 GMT
>>> I feel sorry for some of today's children who don't get the
>>> opportunity to begin to learn independence in the small ways, like
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
> what happens to them, some things that happened to me as a very young
> child I never told anyone about.

Story from the Los Angeles Times a few days ago.  And it wouldn't have even
made the news if it weren't for the unusual result.

Will probably be in the 2008 Darwin awards.

Yes there are monsters out there.

Jo

LOS ANGELES  -  Two teenage girls involved in a botched robbery attempt
died when the taxi they were in crashed during a high-speed chase after one
teen slashed the cab driver's face, Los Angeles police said.

The driver, Javier Hernandez, 40, was treated at a hospital for minor
injuries, including cuts to his neck and face, Los Angeles Police
Department Sgt. Lee Sands said.

The two 17-year-old girls had flagged down the cab early Tuesday and asked
to be taken to a nearby housing project, where one girl said her boyfriend
would come and pay the fare, police said.

Instead, a man shoved a handgun through the taxi window and grabbed a GPS
system off the dashboard, Officer Jason Lee said. Hernandez sped away and
called police after seeing a car chasing him, Lee said.

"One of the females pulled out a box cutter and began cutting the taxi cab
driver, and that's what caused him to crash," Officer April Harding said.

Police arrived at the scene as the other car reached the crash site, Lee
said. Three occupants from the second car were detained for questioning, he
said.

Hector Jasso and Daniel Martinez, both 20, were arrested for investigation
of murder because the girls' deaths occurred during the alleged commission
of a crime, Lee said. Both were being held without bail. The third occupant
of the car was released.

Lee said Jasso was the robbery suspect and boyfriend of one of the girls.
jmcquown - 04 Apr 2008 08:56 GMT
>> > Text messaging is a whole 'nother matter altogether.
>> > I can see how it can be used 'usefully' for those who are
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> *never*
> gotten a solicitation call from robot

I get text "sales pitches" all the time on my cell phone.  You haven't?
Just wait, it's coming.  BUT, you can put your cell # on the Do Not Call
List, too.

What I don't understand is why the DNC list is only good for 5 years.  What,
suddenly in 5 years I'm going to decide I WANT telemarketing calls?!
Ridiculous!

OTOH, my father thought it was "fun" to play with these people.  Problem is,
once his mind started going he was playing right into their hands.  He
ordered something without even knowing it.  Fortunately he was still
cognizant enough to recognize charges he didn't (think he'd) authorized on
his credit card so he disputed the charges and won.

Jill
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 04 Apr 2008 20:47 GMT
> I get text "sales pitches" all the time on my cell phone.  You haven't?
> Just wait, it's coming.  BUT, you can put your cell # on the Do Not Call
> List, too.

My phones (both land-line and cell) already ARE in the "Do Not CAll
Register" - for all the good it does!  However, it really frosted me to
find a twenty-cent charge for a RECEIVED text message on my last
cell-phone bill!  I've no idea who it was from - appeared to be some
sort of "spread the love" chain letter - but I CERTAINLY have no
intention of PAYING for it!  At least Verizon allows me to block text
messaging.  It blocks me from sending any, too, of course, but since I
didn't even know I COULD, that's no hardship.  I have the naive idea
that telephones exist for MY convenience, not the other way around.  (I
still chuckle over the woman in the lavatory stall next to mine, whose
cell-phone rang while she was thus occupied, and she actually ANSWERED it!)

> What I don't understand is why the DNC list is only good for 5 years.  
> What, suddenly in 5 years I'm going to decide I WANT telemarketing
> calls?! Ridiculous!

No, but you may no longer have that phone number in five years (although
why your successor would want them either, I've no idea).
bastXXXette@sonic.net - 04 Apr 2008 21:10 GMT
> > I get text "sales pitches" all the time on my cell phone.  You haven't?
> > Just wait, it's coming.  BUT, you can put your cell # on the Do Not Call
> > List, too.

> My phones (both land-line and cell) already ARE in the "Do Not CAll
> Register" - for all the good it does!  However, it really frosted me to
> find a twenty-cent charge for a RECEIVED text message on my last
> cell-phone bill!

I can't believe you are charged for calls from spammers and telemarketers.
That can't be legal!

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EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 04 Apr 2008 21:45 GMT
>  > jmcquown wrote:
>
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> I can't believe you are charged for calls from spammers and telemarketers.
> That can't be legal!

It may depend upon your service provider, but Verizon charges for both
incoming and outgoing text messages - to which the monthly call
allowance does not apply.  (Actually, I think most providers charge for
incoming and outgoing phone calls, too, but both are charged against
your monthly allowed minutes, so as long as you don't exceed that
allowance, you don't notice.)
bastXXXette@sonic.net - 04 Apr 2008 23:57 GMT
>> I can't believe you are charged for calls from spammers and telemarketers.
>> That can't be legal!

> It may depend upon your service provider, but Verizon charges for both
> incoming and outgoing text messages - to which the monthly call
> allowance does not apply.  (Actually, I think most providers charge for
> incoming and outgoing phone calls, too, but both are charged against
> your monthly allowed minutes, so as long as you don't exceed that
> allowance, you don't notice.)

OK, but if you don't answer the message, then you're not charged, right?
That is, if the phone is turned off and the message goes to voice mail,
then you're only charged if you access the voice mail, I would think.

Otherwise, you would be totally at the mercy of other people calling you.

Actually, what *does* happen to a text message if you don't answer it?
Does it in fact go to voice mail? I have no idea, I've never used texting
on my cell. I'm a certified geezer. :)

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hopitus - 05 Apr 2008 02:15 GMT
On Apr 4, 4:57 pm, bastXXXe...@sonic.net wrote:
>  > bastXXXe...@sonic.net wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
>
> To email me, remove the triple-X from my user name.  ^..^

It does not go to voice mail. It stays in messages unless you erase
it.
No voice, no voice mail.....
bastXXXette@sonic.net - 05 Apr 2008 02:49 GMT
>> Actually, what *does* happen to a text message if you don't answer it?
>> Does it in fact go to voice mail? I have no idea, I've never used texting
>> on my cell. I'm a certified geezer. :)

> It does not go to voice mail. It stays in messages unless you erase
> it.
> No voice, no voice mail.....

Yeah, well I was wondering about that... :)

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EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 05 Apr 2008 23:19 GMT
>  > bastXXXette@sonic.net wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> That is, if the phone is turned off and the message goes to voice mail,
> then you're only charged if you access the voice mail, I would think.

Perhaps, I'm not sure.  But how would you know whether the call was
legit or not, unless you accessed voice mail to find out?

> Otherwise, you would be totally at the mercy of other people calling you.

That's why I let my answering machine pick up incoming calls at home,
and why I resisted getting a cell-phone until I was going to be driving
to Arizona alone with my two cats, and wanted some way of dealing with
possible emergencies en route.

> Actually, what *does* happen to a text message if you don't answer it?
> Does it in fact go to voice mail? I have no idea, I've never used texting
> on my cell. I'm a certified geezer. :)

Phones differ, of course, but in the "Messages" directory, mine includes
both "Voice Mail" and "Inbox".  When you don't answer an incoming call
or text message, the phone indicates there has been one, and gives you
the option of hearing/viewing it.  (I've never USED it for texting,
either, but the text message I received ended uo in the Inbox.)
Kyla  =^. .^= - 05 Apr 2008 08:15 GMT
<bastXXXette

> > > I get text "sales pitches" all the time on my cell phone.  You
> > > haven't?
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> I can't believe you are charged for calls from spammers and telemarketers.
> That can't be legal!

Yup, it is legal.
That's why we just have pre-paid cell phones and use land lines.

> Joyce

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Yowie - 04 Apr 2008 22:16 GMT
>> I get text "sales pitches" all the time on my cell phone.  You
>> haven't? Just wait, it's coming.  BUT, you can put your cell # on
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> to find a twenty-cent charge for a RECEIVED text message on my last
> cell-phone bill!

You guys have to pay to receive messages? Wow.

We don't. Only the sender pays to make the call and/or send the message
here.

Yowie
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 05 Apr 2008 22:58 GMT
>>> I get text "sales pitches" all the time on my cell phone.  You
>>> haven't? Just wait, it's coming.  BUT, you can put your cell # on
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> Yowie

That's as it should be - you can decide for yourself whether you want to
make (and pay for) a call.  To be charged for receiving a call you
probably didn't want in the first place seems totally out of line!
Since I had no idea I COULD text from my cell-phone, and have no reason
not to simply leave a voice mail if a call isn't answered, I simply told
Verizon to block the texting option - and of course reverse the charge
for the unwanted message I received.
tanadashoes - 04 Apr 2008 22:43 GMT
> My phones (both land-line and cell) already ARE in the "Do Not CAll
> Register" - for all the good it does!  However, it really frosted me to
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> woman in the lavatory stall next to mine, whose cell-phone rang while she
> was thus occupied, and she actually ANSWERED it!)

Hey, that could have been Ed McMahon calling.  Or her kids could have had an
emergency, or her husband's car could have broken down, or her mother may
have fallen and not been able to get up.  I've answered my cell in similar
circumstances and been glad I did as once it was a vehicle emergency, once
it was my MIL calling to tell me that her brain tumors (different than the
kind Rob has) were back and once it was a sales pitch.  I was quite glad to
flush the toilet while talking to the person.  I see the cell phone as a
convenience that you can have fun with.

Pam S.
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 05 Apr 2008 23:08 GMT
>> My phones (both land-line and cell) already ARE in the "Do Not CAll
>> Register" - for all the good it does!  However, it really frosted me to
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>
> Pam S.

But face it, would it have made any appreciable difference if you had
let them go to voice mail and returned the calls five minutes later?
What did people do BEFORE cell-phones?  If you went to a concert or
restaurant when you were expecting some sort of urgent call (or if you
were a doctor or someone equally subject to emergency calls) you simply
told your answering service where they could reach you, and alerted the
auditorium personnel or the headwaiter that such calls were a
possibility.  Judging by most of the calls I overhear in supermarkets or
walking along the street, few if any are of such overwhelming urgency
they couldn't wait until the recipient arrived at their destination.
bastXXXette@sonic.net - 06 Apr 2008 00:57 GMT
> What did people do BEFORE cell-phones?  If you went to a concert or
> restaurant when you were expecting some sort of urgent call (or if you
> were a doctor or someone equally subject to emergency calls) you simply
> told your answering service where they could reach you

When I was a kid, I remember that when we went out, my dad would sometimes
call business associates to give them the phone number where he would be
available for the next few hours.

I'm also remembering scenes in "Play it Again Sam" (the Woody Allen movie
from the 1970s), about a nerdy schlemiel (who could that be played by? :))
becoming lovers with the female half of the couple who were his best
friends. She was a neglected wife and the husband was shown constantly
leaving messages with his answering service as to where he would be in
the next half hour, where he could be reached for the following 45 minutes,
and then where he would be in the hour following that, etc.

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jmcquown - 06 Apr 2008 13:23 GMT
>> Hey, that could have been Ed McMahon calling.  Or her kids could
>> have had an emergency, or her husband's car could have broken down,
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> overwhelming urgency they couldn't wait until the recipient arrived
> at their destination.
I've yet to overhear (and you certainly can overhear, whether you want to or
not!) any sort of urgent cell phone conversation.  It's *always* unimportant
drivel.  I'd go nuts if I felt I had to go through life with a phone glued
to my head.

Jill
hopitus - 06 Apr 2008 18:16 GMT
> >> Hey, that could have been Ed McMahon calling.  Or her kids could
> >> have had an emergency, or her husband's car could have broken down,
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
>
> - Show quoted text -
Forgive me, kid, but I have seen your pic awhile back and you are one
hot
chick......but you are NOT fifteen years old. They can spend whole
days and
nights yakking about very little.....yes in a different language than
we use, LOL.
God help me....I understand most of that, too. Always good at
languages.....bad
and loathe math....had to pray hard to Bast - who is not the Goddess
of Math -
to pass those nuclear formulas problems in the Big Radiology License
Exam......
she came through anyway.
Kyla  =^. .^= - 07 Apr 2008 00:39 GMT
"hopitus" <
On Apr 6, 6:23 am, "jmcquown" :
> EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:
> > tanadashoes wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 28 lines]
> Jill- Forgive me, kid, but I have seen your pic awhile back and you are
> one
hot
chick......but you are NOT fifteen years old. They can spend whole
days and
nights yakking about very little.....yes in a different language than
we use, LOL.
God help me....I understand most of that, too. Always good at
languages.....bad
and loathe math....had to pray hard to Bast - who is not the Goddess
of Math -
to pass those nuclear formulas problems in the Big Radiology License
Exam......
she came through anyway.

LOL-ing at where this thread went
jmcquown - 07 Apr 2008 13:18 GMT
>>>> Hey, that could have been Ed McMahon calling. Or her kids could
>>>> have had an emergency, or her husband's car could have broken down,
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> nights yakking about very little.....yes in a different language than
> we use, LOL.

LOL (and um, thanks)  Actually, the worst offenders I see are women
(usually) who appear to be at least in their 30's :)

Jill
Sherry - 07 Apr 2008 14:23 GMT
> >>>> Hey, that could have been Ed McMahon calling. Or her kids could
> >>>> have had an emergency, or her husband's car could have broken down,
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That's the age group I see shrieking into their cell phones in the
grocery. Kind of
like cell-phone parenting. We used to have to put up with parents
screaming at
their children *in* the store. Now they can scream at the ones they
left at home.

Sherry
Cheryl P. - 07 Apr 2008 14:39 GMT
> That's the age group I see shrieking into their cell phones in the
> grocery. Kind of
> like cell-phone parenting. We used to have to put up with parents
> screaming at
> their children *in* the store. Now they can scream at the ones they
> left at home.

I used to work with someone who had problems at home - they ended in
divorce, but the most obvious signs of problems before that were her
lengthy (and impossible not to notice in a fairly open-plan office)
arguments with her children, who appeared to be on the phone from the
time they got home until the time she got home. I think sometimes she
ended up being co-opted into sibling battles; other times, she was
trying long distance to ensure they did homework etc. It was annoying at
first, but eventually I felt sorry for her. I wouldn't have wanted to
live with a family like that for anything! And when I heard about the
impending divorce, I figured that explained a lot - between the kids,
her job, and whatever was leading to the divorce, she can hardly have
had time or energy to do something like take one of those parenting courses.

My mother worked outside the home briefly when I was a teenager, and I
don't think anything less than the house burning down around my ears
would have justified calling her at work - and my parents never did have
much time for the he said/she said type of sibling battles - mostly they
expected us to treat each other reasonably decently, and settle our own
disagreements.

Cheryl
Jo Firey - 07 Apr 2008 21:03 GMT
>> That's the age group I see shrieking into their cell phones in the
>> grocery. Kind of
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>
> Cheryl

We had a neighbor lose her job because she couldn't control her daughter
calling her at work in a panic half a dozen times a day.  One of those kids
that considers everything an emergency.

I had a standing rule with both my daughters.  They were to call me at work
as soon as they got home from school.  And the conversations were pretty
much limited to "Hi, I'm home."  Great, I love you, Bye"  Then I could relax
and not worry about them, and it didn't break my train of thought on
whatever work I might be doing.  Anything short of fire or blood, they were
old enough to deal with themselves or they wouldn't have been home alone in
the first place.

Jo
bastXXXette@sonic.net - 07 Apr 2008 22:25 GMT
> We had a neighbor lose her job because she couldn't control her daughter
> calling her at work in a panic half a dozen times a day.  One of those kids
> that considers everything an emergency.

I suspect that your neighbor was pretty hooked in by her daughter, or,
knowing her job was at risk, she would have started refusing to take
her daughter's calls at work, or, if the girl was still a child, get
her into counseling or something.

If she had really done everything she possibly could to prevent these
calls from disrupting her work day, and the company still fired her, I
think it's horribly unfair of the company to penalize her for something
she couldn't control.

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Jo Firey - 07 Apr 2008 23:19 GMT
> > We had a neighbor lose her job because she couldn't control her daughter
> > calling her at work in a panic half a dozen times a day.  One of those
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> think it's horribly unfair of the company to penalize her for something
> she couldn't control.

They really had no choice, she was in customer service at a bank.

I have no idea what I would have done if the girl had been my child.  Very
whinny and demanding and quite the drama queen.

Jo
jmcquown - 08 Apr 2008 00:19 GMT
>>> We had a neighbor lose her job because she couldn't control her
>>> daughter calling her at work in a panic half a dozen times a day. One of
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>
> They really had no choice, she was in customer service at a bank.

You know, I try to be tolerant but when I worked tech support nothing would
bug me more than people tied up *constantly* on personal calls.  It's a help
desk; you can't help anyone if you're on the phone with your
husband/wife/kids all day long.  You'd sure never find them using their
precious lunch hour for personal calls!

> I have no idea what I would have done if the girl had been my child. Very
> whinny and demanding and quite the drama queen.
>
> Jo

Sad, really.  But unless the girl had psych problems it would seem her
mother was to blame for not laying down the law about the constant calls.

Jill
Joy - 08 Apr 2008 04:42 GMT
>>>> We had a neighbor lose her job because she couldn't control her
>>>> daughter calling her at work in a panic half a dozen times a day. One
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>
> Jill

I'd say it depends on how old the girl was.  Once a child reaches a certain
age, laying down the law doesn't always work.

Joy
bastXXXette@sonic.net - 08 Apr 2008 01:11 GMT
> <bastXXXette@sonic.net> wrote in message

>> If she had really done everything she possibly could to prevent these
>> calls from disrupting her work day, and the company still fired her, I
>> think it's horribly unfair of the company to penalize her for something
>> she couldn't control.

> They really had no choice, she was in customer service at a bank.

Yeah, I guess you're right, but it burns me that someone could lose their
job because of some other person's actions. Yeah, I know, life's not fair...

I guess she had a very difficult situation to deal with and it was
costing her, in her own life as well as in her relationship with her
daughter. I don't envy anyone who has that situation!

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Yowie - 08 Apr 2008 02:31 GMT
>> <bastXXXette@sonic.net> wrote in message
>
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> costing her, in her own life as well as in her relationship with her
> daughter. I don't envy anyone who has that situation!

Thats a similar argument as with parents of deliquent teenagers. Whilst its
probably true that most 'delinquent' kids also have 'delinquent' parents, if
a teenager (particularly an older teenager, like 15+) decides to do
something, there is little a parent can do to physically prevent them from
doing it. Its an awefully fine line as to who is legally responsible is if a
teenager does something criminal, for example.

Yowie
Granby - 08 Apr 2008 03:12 GMT
A family here was arrested because they prevented their son from leaving
their home to go to a party where they knew there would be drugs. They
locked him in his room, was the only way they saw to deal with the problem.
There was a raid and kids have records because of it yet, they were still
"wrong" for restraining the 15 year old.  Go figure.

>>> <bastXXXette@sonic.net> wrote in message
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> Yowie
Joy - 08 Apr 2008 04:46 GMT
>>> <bastXXXette@sonic.net> wrote in message
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>
> Yowie

That is so true.  Sometimes you can tell by the attitude of the parent.  If
it's "My baby can do no wrong", then the parents should be held responsible,
IMNSHO.  OTOH, some parents recognize that their child has done wrong and
try everything they can.  Our house was once broken into, and some money was
stolen.  The miscreants turned out to be four students from the nearby high
school, and the police caught them.  The father of one of the boys sent us a
letter of apology and a check for half the amount that had been taken.  We
never heard anything from any of the other parents.  I'd say that one boy
had a good chance of straightening out his life.  I doubt if the other three
did.

Joy
bastXXXette@sonic.net - 08 Apr 2008 05:36 GMT
> Our house was once broken into, and some money was
> stolen.  The miscreants turned out to be four students from the nearby high
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> had a good chance of straightening out his life.  I doubt if the other three
> did.

I hope the son of the man who sent you the money had to work off the debt
to his dad! Sounds like dad's head was in the right place.`

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Joy - 08 Apr 2008 08:39 GMT
> > Our house was once broken into, and some money was
> > stolen.  The miscreants turned out to be four students from the nearby
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> I hope the son of the man who sent you the money had to work off the debt
> to his dad! Sounds like dad's head was in the right place.`

I agree with you all the way.  It's funny I wrote this today.  My daughter
called a couple of hours ago.  It was her collection of dimes that was
stolen.

Joy
Yowie - 09 Apr 2008 12:23 GMT
>>>> <bastXXXette@sonic.net> wrote in message
>>>
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> good chance of straightening out his life.  I doubt if the other
> three did.

Its funny you say that. On my 11th birthday, I invited all the girls in my
class, even the 'cool' ones that would have nothing to do with me. I didn't
expect any of them to turn up, but hoped they did. One did (I have no idea
why) and asked to use the phone to call the others. I said 'sure' thinking
that having 'the cool girls' over would somehow increase my popularity.
Unfortunately said girls only came to the party to ruin it - and started a
food fight.

My mother, who had prepared all the food, emerged from their bedroom (they
were giving us some privacy) because of the racket, to see all her hard
work, and the beautifully home baked and decorated cake spattered all across
the walls.

My mother demanded an apology from every single attendee of the party.

Only two girls bothered with an apology. One of them came back with her
mother the next day and apologised in person.

Two of the girls and their mothers flatly refused to apologise, and gave my
mother an earful for 'even *thinking* that their precious daughters could do
such a thing' (even though there were plenty of witnesses!)

Of the two who apologied, the first one is a doctor now. The one who came
back with her mother ended up being high school captain, was a debating
champion and is somewhere in the USA at the moment as CEO of her own very
successful company.

The two girls who flat out refused to apologise, one is in jail, the other
is three times divorced an an alcoholic. I ran into her at the supermarket,
and she looked at least 50 to my 35 at the time - I didn't know who it was
until I read her name on her badge, but she recognised me. I felt almost
embrassed to have what i would consider a very normal life - she had been
through the wringer and it showed.

Although there are exceptions, I think in general those parents who teach
their kids to take responsibility for their actions are going to raise OK
kids. Whilst taking responsibility for wrong doing is an important part,
taking resposnibility for acheivements is just as important - it means said
kid doesn't end up thinking the world owes them a favour and that everything
should just drop into their lap 'just beacuse'.

Yowie
hopitus - 10 Apr 2008 06:26 GMT
> >> bastXXXe...@sonic.net wrote:
>
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>
> Yowie

FOOD fight? OMG. Interesting facts, Yowie, especially the social
outcomes of
your classmates back then. You don't have much chance of knowing about
this, but try googling "Adam Walsh" or "AMW" when you have a quiet
moment
away from the Yowlet.....my son who is now 36, was playing on the
exact same
video game in a Sears store *the day before* Adam was abducted from
the same store while - yeah -
his mother shopped in "lamps" nearby the toy dept. For months everyone
in Miami
watched the streets like hawks for a blue panel van with a ladder
vertically hung
on the back.....this is to those of you who are *non-parents* for
whatever reason:
all it takes is *one* Adam Walsh in your circle of life. The day
before......
Yowie - 14 Apr 2008 04:06 GMT
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> FOOD fight? OMG. Interesting facts, Yowie, especially the social
> outcomes of
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> all it takes is *one* Adam Walsh in your circle of life. The day
> before......

And that is why parents now watch their kids like hawks - back 'when' you
didn't hear about such things. Now you do.

I may be paranoid, I may be overprotective, I may even be overparenting, but
I've only got one child, and I'll go to great lengths to ensure I get to
keep him. He's far far too precious for me not to.

For those who don't have children: how paranoid and overprotective are you
of your cats, who are natural survivors and don't need parental supervision
and guidance? Times that by a trillion, and thats how I feel about Cary, how
most mothers feel about their children.

Yowie
Cheryl P. - 14 Apr 2008 11:25 GMT
> And that is why parents now watch their kids like hawks - back 'when' you
> didn't hear about such things. Now you do.
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>
> Yowie

I know it only takes one mistake to lose a child to death - and
sometimes no mistake at all, just an accident.

I al