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Cat Forum / Cat Anecdotes / April 2008declaw or not to declaw?
i need to declaw my little mitzi because she is tearing up the furniture but my sister says thats cruel the vet says its fine and i believe him over my sister because she is one of those peta nuts who puts the welfare of animals over that of people annie Annie <anniestewart@invalid.invalid> wrote in news:Xns9A7070BCBD56D1234567@ 194.177.98.144: > i need to declaw my little mitzi because she is tearing up > the furniture but my sister says thats cruel [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > annie Thank you for sharing > Annie <anniestewart@invalid.invalid> wrote in > news:Xns9A7070BCBD56D1234567@ [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Thank you for sharing lol!  Signature·.·´¨ ¨)) -:¦:- ¸.·´ .·´¨¨)) Laurie ((¸¸.·´ ..·´ -:¦:- ((¸¸ ·.· *~*LiveLoveLaugh*~* All that I am or hope to be, I owe to my angel mother. ~Abraham Lincoln > Annie <anniestewart@invalid.invalid> wrote in > news:Xns9A7070BCBD56D1234567@ [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Thank you for sharing LOL, this troll isn't even subtle about it. Pam S >i need to declaw my little mitzi because she is tearing up > the furniture but my sister says thats cruel [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > annie Try Google and learn something Hopefully this group won't fall for some nobody starting this debate gain specially one from a known troll ISP > >i need to declaw my little mitzi because she is tearing up > > the furniture but my sister says thats cruel [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Hopefully this group won't fall for some nobody starting this debate gain > specially one from a known troll ISP HelLO I thought this was one of the NOT topics in rpca FACs. hopitus <hopitus@hotmail.com> wrote in news:a5c23bb9-add2-47f2-b06c-cc82034a2b29 @y24g2000hsd.googlegroups.com: >> >i need to declaw my little mitzi because she is tearing up >> > the furniture but my sister says thats cruel [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > HelLO I thought this was one of the NOT topics in rpca FACs. what does that mean? So, we have the discussion anyway and, those who want to do it, do it and those of us who don't like it don't. Fraid da troll won this time. > hopitus <hopitus@hotmail.com> wrote in > news:a5c23bb9-add2-47f2-b06c-cc82034a2b29 [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > what does that mean? >>> i need to declaw my little mitzi because she is tearing up >>> the furniture but my sister says thats cruel [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > HelLO I thought this was one of the NOT topics in rpca FACs. It IS, and the FAQ link should be posted regularly. I'd do it if I could remember the dang link! Jill >>> i need to declaw my little mitzi because she is tearing up >>> the furniture but my sister says thats cruel [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > HelLO I thought this was one of the NOT topics in rpca FACs. Think again! (Or perhaps someone should revise the FAQ's?) "Indoor vs outdoor" may be a matter of opinion, opposing the trauma of unnecessary and painful surgery and advising the clueless not to have it done is NOT an option!) >>i need to declaw my little mitzi because she is tearing up >> the furniture but my sister says thats cruel [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Try Google and learn something "Is Declawing really that cruel?" http://network.bestfriends.org/Blogs/PostDetail.aspx?bp=325 "Declawing cats is a very hot topic for debate. For many years now, animal rights people have lied and deceived the public into believing that declawing cats is the most inhumane and horrible procedure on the planet. The truth is, is a common surgical procedure done under anesthesia and if done correctly, there will not be any lasting effects..." > Hopefully this group won't fall for some nobody starting this debate > gain specially one from a known troll ISP thank you for that warm welcome >>>i need to declaw my little mitzi because she is tearing up >>> the furniture but my sister says thats cruel [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > thank you for that warm welcome WOW A BLOG site which you did not read all the way thru You know what here is something to learn after this if you are not a troll your comment should be OMG I WAS GOING TO DO THIS TO MY CAT http://www.declawing.com/ http://www.declawing.com/htmls/declawing.htm http://declaw.lisaviolet.com/declawpics.html PAY VERY CLOSE ATTENTION TO THIS http://www.amby.com/cat_site/declaw.html http://community-2.webtv.net/zuzu22/STOPDECLAWCOM/ http://www.cfainc.org/articles/health/declawing.html http://www.de-clawing.com/ http://maxshouse.com/Truth%20About%20Declawing.htm this is a group member website Google is your friend http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=declawing After this your comments will tell us the truth >>>>i need to declaw my little mitzi because she is tearing up >>>> the furniture but my sister says thats cruel [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > You know what here is something to learn after this if you are not a > troll your comment should be OMG I WAS GOING TO DO THIS TO MY CAT > http://www.declawing.com/ > http://www.declawing.com/htmls/declawing.htm [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > After this your comments will tell us the truth anyone who believes declawing is not as bad as some people make it out to be must be a troll? > >>>>i need to declaw my little mitzi because she is tearing > up [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > anyone who believes declawing is not as bad as some people > make it out to be must be a troll? No. However, I think you would agree that declawing is unacceptable if you examined the evidence carefully. If your mind was made up, why would you post somewhere where you would get no support. I hate PETA; they condemn people for having pets at all. But declawing is inhumane and that's that. I am rather uncaring about furniture. In fact, the last thing a woman said when she dumped me was "Bill, you are fifty and you don't even have any furniture you care about." I was really puzzled by that because I didn't think I SHOULD care about furniture. However, keeping the furniture reasonable safe from cats is not difficult and does not require surgery. Manicuring a cat's nails frequently is not inhumane at all and can be done even with an extremely difficult cat. I know beccause our Missy hates human beings and lives to put someone in an emergency room and I "do" her nails every so often. It's only a _little_ blood. As to why we keep a cat who hates people. Because no one else would want her. -- Will in New Haven See the False as False The True as True Look into your heart And follow your nature Sakyamuni Buddha c 500BCE > I am rather uncaring about furniture. In fact, the last thing a woman > said when she dumped me was "Bill, you are fifty and you don't even > have any furniture you care about." I was really puzzled by that > because I didn't think I SHOULD care about furniture. However, keeping > the furniture reasonable safe from cats is not difficult and does not > require surgery. Sometimes it's harder to keep the furniture safe from the "protective measures" than from the cats! When I bought my leather furniture, I bought a then new product called "Sticky Paws", which operated on the premise that cats don't like putting their paws on sticky surfaces. (You can NEVER state anything with certainty beginning "All cats....", and mine didn't seem to mind it a bit.) However, the product had not yet added a rather crucial caution to its packaging: "Do not use on leather upholstery". Not only did it NOT prevent my cats from sinking their claws into the leather, removing the stuff itself also removed the glaze from the leather! (So my furniture now bears not only cat-claw indentations, but shine-free areas on the leather at all the corners - I HAD to remove the Sticky Paws, because it became so coated with fur it was no longer any use at all.) Was I upset? Yes. (But I got over it.) Would I even CONSIDER declawing? Never! I learned to live with less than pristine leather furniture. (It still fulfills its primary raison d'etre - cat fur can be easily brushed or vacuumed off - it doesn't become an integral part of the chair, as it did with fabric upholstery.) My leather furniture may be far from pristine, but I have happy cats to cuddle and to help me control my blood-pressure. (As I learned from a couple of friends who lost most of their families in the Holocaust: "THINGS can be replaced - only life itself is TRULY precious".) > I am rather uncaring about furniture. In fact, the last thing a woman > said when she dumped me was "Bill, you are fifty and you don't even > have any furniture you care about." I was really puzzled by that > because I didn't think I SHOULD care about furniture. Will, this gave me a good laugh. Not only because she thought you should care about furniture, but that she thought it was somehow related to your *age*. Not only were you some Neanderthal who didn't care about furniture, but, OMG, you were *fifty* and didn't care about furniture! <boggle> The two of you were clearly not a good match and I think she did you a favor. My ex once said, in a fit of upset and without the slightest trace of irony, "I'm 37 years old and I don't even have matching plates!" This, by the way, was an accusation against me, because I was the one who made most of the money, so it was evidently my responsibility to provide us with the respectability of matching dishware... Joyce > > I am rather uncaring about furniture. In fact, the last thing a woman > > said when she dumped me was "Bill, you are fifty and you don't even [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > of the money, so it was evidently my responsibility to provide us with > the respectability of matching dishware... We have matching plates. They're from Chinette, and are easy to take care of. I can even buy a different brand when I want and I still don't have to worry about them breaking. Pam S who feels sorry for those who define themselves by their possessions I definitely don't define myself by what I own but, I HATE PAPER PLATES. Don't know why but I don't own any and few people have ever seen them in my house, usually when the kids leave them here. I wonder why I hate them so, maybe that age thing again. Damn. >> > I am rather uncaring about furniture. In fact, the last thing a woman >> > said when she dumped me was "Bill, you are fifty and you don't even [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Pam S who feels sorry for those who define themselves by their possessions >I definitely don't define myself by what I own but, I HATE PAPER PLATES. >Don't know why but I don't own any and few people have ever seen them in my >house, usually when the kids leave them here. I wonder why I hate them so, >maybe that age thing again. Damn. Not an age thing. I have fairly decent matching (not)china and stainless. But there have been children and teenagers in and out of this house constantly for nearly forty years now. I hate dirty dishes sitting on the counter and in the sink even more than I hate paper plates. I'm also not even wild about clean dishes cluttering up the sink or dishwasher. Charlie and I both get lazy when it comes to putting them away. So while it's expensive in the long run, we buy and use an awful lot of paper plates and bowls. Quite a bit of plastic utensils, and quite a lot of plastic glassware. I do have slight twinges of guilt when we serve ourselves an otherwise nice and attractive meal into the paper bowls. (They are easier to eat from in front of the TV) We all do use the regular utensils most of the time. I have never really got used to plastic forks and spoons. But we do use those when grabbing a snack such as a spoonful of peanut butter or a pudding cup. But I get over it when cleaning up the kitchen consists of taking out the trash and wiping down the counter. Its got so bad, tonight we are having steak in honor of college kid being home for the day. Most of us will just cut up out steak on the platter and then put the bite size pieces on a plate or in a dish and go back to watching basketball or whatever. The saying in this house is "the food is great but the service stinks" Jo Maybe my neighbors are right and I am weird. I never got the eating in front of the TV thing when anyone else was in the house. Now, don't beat me up, I will if I come to your house and you do it. I hate dishes but do them. >>I definitely don't define myself by what I own but, I HATE PAPER PLATES. >>Don't know why but I don't own any and few people have ever seen them in [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > Jo >I definitely don't define myself by what I own but, I HATE PAPER PLATES. >Don't know why but I don't own any and few people have ever seen them in my >house, usually when the kids leave them here. I wonder why I hate them so, >maybe that age thing again. Damn. It's not an age thing, Granby. It's more of a trailer trash or redneck thing in my opinion. I'm born again trailer trash and you're not. For what it's worth, I don't use paper plates all the time, I just try to ease the burden on the dish washer (and Amanda) on occasion. I feel guilty every time I get them down, but I still use them, paper napkins, and paper towels. Green Peace has me on their hit list. Pam S. >>I definitely don't define myself by what I own but, I HATE PAPER PLATES. >>Don't know why but I don't own any and few people have ever seen them in [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Pam S. I try to tell myself that they are easier on the environment than hot water and detergent. (My minds made up, don't try to confuse me with the truth on the subject) Class or style wise, at least they are a step from eating take out out of the paper bags and wrappers. Jo hehehehehe point well taken. >>>I definitely don't define myself by what I own but, I HATE PAPER PLATES. >>>Don't know why but I don't own any and few people have ever seen them in [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Jo > I try to tell myself that they are easier on the environment than hot > water and detergent. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Class or style wise, at least they are a step from eating take out out of > the paper bags and wrappers. SSSSSHHHHHHHH, I've done that too. Pam S. who feels so trailer trash today > > I try to tell myself that they are easier on the environment than hot > > water and detergent. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Pam S. who feels so trailer trash today Demi Moore is trailer trash. Also from Area 51 - Roswell, NM Do you see Demi bashing cars with an umbrella? After shaving her head? Demi has a handsome DH many years her junior, is stinkin' filthy rich, and still beautiful at her age. We should all be so trailer trash..... All we need now is someone to brag about their new PINK FLAMINGOS! >> > I try to tell myself that they are easier on the environment than hot >> > water and detergent. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > is stinkin' filthy rich, and still beautiful at her age. > We should all be so trailer trash..... > All we need now is someone to brag about their new PINK FLAMINGOS! There is a high school group around here that as a fundraiser will plant a flock of flamingo's on someone's yard for you overnight. They of course go out and collect them once the neighbors are done laughing. Jo >>> news:GDeIj.758$Nc5.534@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net... >>> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >> is stinkin' filthy rich, and still beautiful at her age. >> We should all be so trailer trash..... > > All we need now is someone to brag about their new PINK FLAMINGOS! > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Jo Down in south FL the New Yorkers who retire there are fond of putting flamingos in their yards; if they choose condos, at least one on the (Atlantic-facing if they can afford it) balcony. When I was growing up there I believed flamingos were all over where they retired from, LOL. When I learned otherwise, I could never understand the reason for this. The real place where flamingos run loose down there - real ones - is golf courses. I would like to see pink flamingos poking up out of the snow here instead of dead-looking vegetation that is really undead not dead and will revive again. It would never fly here (pun) tho. http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/feb/12/mustang-ready-rise-dia/ Is this not one of the ugliest things you have ever set eyes on? The locals paid big bucks for it. >> > All we need now is someone to brag about their new PINK FLAMINGOS! >> [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > Is this not one of the ugliest things you have ever set eyes on? > The locals paid big bucks for it. How many people are just waiting for the first big storm to tear it down? I doubt it lasts the twelve years it took to put it there. Jo > >> "Granby" <s...@joink.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > Jo Many are hoping something will get rid of it. Many are angry about Denver buying this monstrosity and sticking it between 2 runways at the airport. Denver has been whining since I moved here that "they don't have enough budget to hire enough police" and here now is this thing (a necessity). What the locals are fuming about is they don't like city's image as a large cowtown, whch AFAIC it is. They feel this horse seen in-your-face upon exiting your plane will only reinforce the cowtown image. Others consider it butt-ugly and resent its cost, not to menton many consider it a big piece of bad luck as it already fell on its artist and killed him when it was in pieces. The city officials are desperate to depict culture image; they already hired a pricey dude to build a very modern art museum with odd-shaped gallery rooms....*he* got mad over some issue and huffed off before he finished it. It is funny in a way. I think they ought to reinforce the cowtown image and not try to be New York City. That is not gonna happen as they obviously have no guidelines to go by (example: the horse). A protest letter in the newspaper said that visitors remarked upon driving with their local hosts out of the airport area, "Wow....you people are really crazy about the Broncos, aren't you?"....LOL. Other letters say paint the thing orange in places and it IS instantly the biggest Bronco there ever was. > All we need now is someone to brag about their new PINK FLAMINGOS! Do yard gnomes and mushrooms count? I've been thinking about putting some in my flower beds to drive some of my neighbors nuts. Pam S. who's still shuddering and thinking Bet she spent enough money on other things that there could have been matching plates. I just heard this type argument between spouses and as I look around the house, I saw so many "things" that if she had wanted them bad enough like all the "collectables", she would have had them. > > I am rather uncaring about furniture. In fact, the last thing a woman > > said when she dumped me was "Bill, you are fifty and you don't even [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Joyce > > I am rather uncaring about furniture. In fact, the last thing a woman > > said when she dumped me was "Bill, you are fifty and you don't even [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Joyce I have matching plates - and I *WISH* I now had the money I spent on them! They're sitting in a cupboard gathering dust and we're trying, often unsuccessfully, to feed ourselves and our clowder! Circumstances change quickly and even if you have the money to spend on "things" it might often be better to save it instead! Hugs, CatNipped > <bastXXXe...@sonic.net> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > CatNipped Well, not if you buy things that hold their value well. Vehicles do not - example. I have never done this but have many friends/relatives who do this frequently.... get all the table service that matches (this only applies if it was pricey when you bought it; I assume it was) together, like on a large table, and take pics of it at different angles (some do it with their cellphones - warning: bad graphic quality for internet display!. Then pick out the best appearing shot and put it on EBay or CraigsList (I find CraigsList attracts a lot of trolls, IMHO) or other internet auction or sale website. Ask your friends about this idea (close friends). Ask Ben. You can always buy more china when things get better. People are selling off all kindsa stuff not just houses. But there are still plenty folks out there who scan these websites for goodies they want and can afford. >> <bastXXXe...@sonic.net> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 60 lines] > folks out there who scan these websites for goodies they want and can > afford. We tried that, but it's not a "pretty" china - it's "Aunt Rhody" goose (with every possible accessory from gravy boat to soup cups to sugar bowls). Nobody seems to want it! ;> We've already re-sold all the books we had in the house, and lots of electronic "toys" - unfortunately, used is used and you just don't get that much for used items. Hugs, CatNipped >> >>>>i need to declaw my little mitzi because she is tearing >> up [quoted text clipped - 67 lines] > the furniture reasonable safe from cats is not difficult and does not > require surgery. My sentiments exactly - *WHY* would anybody care for an inanimate object over the needs and welfare of a sentient being? And yes, even if you do care about the furniture, there are many, many options to a cruel and inhuman procedure. > Manicuring a cat's nails frequently is not inhumane at all and can be > done even with an extremely difficult cat. I know beccause our Missy > hates human beings and lives to put someone in an emergency room and I > "do" her nails every so often. It's only a _little_ blood. As to why > we keep a cat who hates people. Because no one else would want her. LOL! Sounds like our Bandit(RB) who regularly bit and scratched me for all the 17 years of her life! Nobody else would have had her so it was up to us to care for her. Sammy doesn't like having her "nails done" so we bring her out onto the deck to do it - me to hold her and DH to clip. She is very subdued to be in the scary "out" and will stay still long enough for us to get all 18 claws clipped. Hugs, CatNipped > -- > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Sakyamuni Buddha c 500BCE > Sammy doesn't like having her "nails done" so we bring her out onto the deck > to do it - me to hold her and DH to clip. She is very subdued to be in the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > CatNipped "lives to put someone in the ER" ROFL - even Rowdous the biter boy isn't that bad, LOL. He has mellowed over the years to where as his teeth sink into my hand (I take "blood thinners" = *drug usage - drug usage* - LOL so this is NOT good) all I have to say is, "You *don't* bite Mama! No!" and he quits. Good luck with the scaffolding....I can only imagine. CatNipped <CatNipped@PossiblePlaces.com> wrote in message: 65cioeF2fatj5U1@mid.individual.net, > My sentiments exactly - *WHY* would anybody care for an inanimate > object over the needs and welfare of a sentient being? Hmmmm, let's see about that. Cat or the Holy Grail? Cat or The Hope Diamond? Cat or an aircraft carrier? Cat or a platinum bracelet? Cat or a million dollar home? Cat or your entire life savings? Cat or a new car? Cat or anything worth more than $1000? Alright make it $5,000 instead. Anyone who would choose a cat over anything of great value is a f.cking idiot who needs a court-appointed guardian. SignatureBilly Colburn >>>>>i need to declaw my little mitzi because she is tearing > up [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > anyone who believes declawing is not as bad as some people > make it out to be must be a troll? Yep. It is a fact that it is maiming a cat. Not a part of a belief system Jo > "Annie" <anniestewart@invalid.invalid> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > system > Jo I agree, Jo. I have never, nor will ever declaw a cat. Would I want my fingers cut off past my first knuckle - um, gee, no I don't think so. Why in the heck would I do that to a cat? Cats have claws. If you don't like it, don't get a cat! Those are my feelings and I'm sticking to them. kili >>>>>i need to declaw my little mitzi because she is tearing > up [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > anyone who believes declawing is not as bad as some people > make it out to be must be a troll? PLONK Matthew <Iamacatslave@proudtoserve.com> wrote in message: 47ef118a$0$6136$4c368faf@roadrunner.com, >> anyone who believes declawing is not as bad as some people >> make it out to be must be a troll? > > PLONK The last refuge of a newsgroup nitwit who can't handle any challenge to his moronic logic. He can't just killfile someone or just ignore them. He has to make a big show of it. Sheesh! What a pathetic dipshit. SignatureBilly Colburn I feel like a real idiot for responding to this thread, but I did tell this person what I thought. Being new here, I had no idea she was a troll :/ But, I let her know I was totally against de-clawing and why Hug Kyla "Matthew" ... > "Annie" >> "Matthew" >>> [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > > After this your comments will tell us the truth Kyla =^..^= wrote: > I feel like a real idiot for responding to this thread, but I did > tell this person what I thought. Being new here, I had no idea she > was a troll :/ But, I let her know I was totally against de-clawing > and why Hug > Kyla Doesn't require being a newbie to *this* newsgroup to figure out a troll. We try to give people the benefit if the doubt but it's obvious from the get-go if they want to argue after getting good information they are just here to stir up trouble. Are you completely new to Usenet? You keep mentioning this Floyd group but I'm starting to wonder if it's some Yahoo group, not Usenet. (Totally different creatures, you know.) Jill > Kyla =^..^= wrote: > > I feel like a real idiot for responding to this thread, but I did [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Jill Looks like Pink Floyd never has any trolls. This is entirely possible. Some of the ngs I am a reg on never do either. You troll them if you want to be gazing at a smoking lump of melted plastic and alloy metal. They are not "sweet", and I am not hopitus there. "hopitus" < > On Mar 29, 4:54 pm, "jmcquown" : >> Kyla =^..^= wrote: [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Looks like Pink Floyd never has any trolls. This is entirely possible. Not on the one I subscribe to...alt.music.pink-floyd. Major trolls there, who end up in my KF Is that the one you look at? There are lots of PF groups > Some of the ngs I am a reg on never do either. You troll them if you > want to be gazing at a smoking lump of melted plastic and alloy metal. > They are not "sweet", and I am not hopitus there. LOL...which one do you subscribe to? I'll go in and take a peek . amp-f is un moderated. Hug Kyla > Are you completely new to Usenet? You keep mentioning this Floyd group but > I'm starting to wonder if it's some Yahoo group, not Usenet. (Totally > different creatures, you know.) Email lists can be controlled. If someone trolls an email list, they can be kicked off. The same is not true of Usenet. Nonetheless, if someone appears (to me) to be making a sincere inquiry, I will give them the benefit of the doubt. I don't care if it's "obvious" to others that the person just wants to stir up trouble. I go by my own intuition, right or wrong. Joyce SignatureTo send email to this address, remove the triple-X from my user name. <bastXXXette > On Mar 29, 4:54 pm, "jmcquown" > > > Are you completely new to Usenet? You keep mentioning this Floyd group [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Email lists can be controlled. If someone trolls an email list, they > can be kicked off. The same is not true of Usenet. Ah yes, as I found with Flippy's mailing list..Comcast did that and I had to un-subscribe and then re-subscribe. I NEED my daily cat LOL's from her 'lists' > Nonetheless, if someone appears (to me) to be making a sincere inquiry, > I will give them the benefit of the doubt. I don't care if it's "obvious" > to others that the person just wants to stir up trouble. I go by my own > intuition, right or wrong. > > Joyce Please believe me Joyce, I NEVER try and cause trouble, that's not who I am. Good idea to use your intuition:) Hug Kyla >> Are you completely new to Usenet? You keep mentioning this Floyd >> group but I'm starting to wonder if it's some Yahoo group, not [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > it's "obvious" to others that the person just wants to stir up > trouble. I go by my own intuition, right or wrong. Naturally, Joyce, thats *exactly* what you - and everyone - should do. You also have the sense to stop posting if/when it becomes clear that it was trolling, rather than a genuine post, which is - along with many other reasons - why you are a valued member of the RPCA community. Yowie "jmcquown" > Kyla =^..^= wrote: >> I feel like a real idiot for responding to this thread, but I did [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > get-go if they want to argue after getting good information they are just > here to stir up trouble. Ah, I see.... > Are you completely new to Usenet? Nope, I've been on Usenet for about 11 years You keep mentioning this Floyd group but > I'm starting to wonder if it's some Yahoo group, not Usenet. (Totally > different creatures, you know.) > > Jill Um it's a 'real' usenet group. alt.music.pink-floyd. I've been there for almost 11 years and was bestowed the title of Den Mom around that time, back before it got really boring, like it is now. Each month I put up a *Any April Bithrdays* (or the 'proper month) (we have our own mis spellings) and if someone has a birthday, I'll put up a post for them, along with an mp3 of the bithrday song played on the kazoo. It's a hoot. I, who will be 63 next month am still the 'oldest' poster there:) We used to have Holiday Gift exchanges, that I also started back then. Now, that has gone away as well... I've sent plastic kazoos all over the world with a sticker of the 'dark side of the moon' prism on them , about 8 years ago. But, now it's full of trolls, and has gotten really boring. Only a few of the regular posters left, sad it is. Was that helpful to you Jill? BTW, I loved your 'appetizer' recipe <G> Hug Kyla --off to take a shower before our guest arrives for a much needed week-end with us. jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote in message: vrKdnWeSE_tXVXPanZ2dnUVZ_jGdnZ2d@comcast.com, > Kyla =^..^= wrote: >> I feel like a real idiot for responding to this thread, but I did [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > obvious from the get-go if they want to argue after getting good > information they are just here to stir up trouble. Translation: If you disagree with me you're a troll. If you disagree with what I say is the truth you are a troll. SignatureBilly Colburn "Billy Colburn" who managed once again to crawl out of the dumpster snarffed: > jmcquown , > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Translation: > If you disagree with me you're a troll. Oh pish tosh ! > If you disagree with what I say is the truth you are a troll. You've been 'Cheezing' again, haven't you?? (South Park reference) Now go back to the 'stinky litterbox,' and listen to some Barry Manilow. Kyla --notiting a subtle change in the 'Subject/Header +=^@V@^=`, X Kyla =^..^= wrote: > "Billy Colburn" who managed once again to crawl out of the dumpster > snarffed: [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > +=^@V@^=`, > X I wouldn't have seen this Troll's reply if *you* hadn't replied to him! Please stop with the all drama and either killfile them or ignore them. Please????? Jill I would have though by now everyone had added to their kilfile list. As I said earlier, even after a specific warning from Matthew, the troll won this round. If you accidentally respond to something like that, to post again about it for any reason, even to apologize is "feeding". Yeah I know I just added a few calories to their diet by saying this. > Kyla =^..^= wrote: >> "Billy Colburn" who managed once again to crawl out of the dumpster [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > > Jill Naw, the troll didn't *really* win the round. "Back in the day"...the definition of "trolling" was to pop in a newsgroup, post a known volatile subject, and eventually the regulars of differing opinions would start arguing with *each other*. The troll would then back off, watch the division in the group and enjoy the fireworks. RPCA is sort of different that way. About all you get here when you post "Should I declaw?" is bombarded with helpful information and links. No one flames each other. I didn't mind this post/thread at at all. You never know how many people lurk but never post, and it's good info. to get out in print once in a while. (And the recipes never hurt either!) Sherry > I would have though by now everyone had added to their kilfile list. As I > said earlier, even after a specific warning from Matthew, the troll won this [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Granby <spaz@joink.com> wrote in message: 659ap0F2enie0U1@mid.individual.net, > I would have though by now everyone had added to their kilfile list. > As I said earlier, even after a specific warning from Matthew, the > troll won this round. Wheee! That's me doing my victory dance. > If you accidentally respond to something like > that, to post again about it for any reason, even to apologize is > "feeding". Yeah I know I just added a few calories to their diet by > saying this. Then why don't you shut the f.ck up. SignatureBilly Colburn I guess I'm in everybody's KF by now :( drat! I feel like I can't do anything right, gall durnit Nobody would KF 'you' Gramby, you are too much beloved here.:) I, on the other hand am just an annoying newbie, who is learning slowly, how NOT to be annoying. Hug Kyla "Granby" >I would have though by now everyone had added to their kilfile list. As I > said earlier, even after a specific warning from Matthew, the troll won > this round. If you accidentally respond to something like that, to post > again about it for any reason, even to apologize is "feeding". Yeah I > know I just added a few calories to their diet by saying this. Kyla =^..^= <kyla.waterman@comcast.net> wrote in message: AtmdnQc9oNIm_WzanZ2dnUVZ_gidnZ2d@comcast.com, > I guess I'm in everybody's KF by now :( > drat! I feel like I can't do anything right, gall durnit [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Hug > Kyla Perhaps if you kiss enough a.ses with sh.t like this they'll let you back into their little clique, but you'll have to be on probation for a while. From now on you must follow orders or risk being shunned. SignatureBilly Colburn "jmcquown" > Kyla =^..^= wrote: >> "Billy Colburn" who managed once again to crawl out of the dumpster [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > > Jill No worries hon, he's back in the 'stinky litterbox' buried under 4 inches of heavy sand litter Sorry I 'replied' DUH I was in a LOT of knee pain when I made that comment to the cretin. anyway, no more for him...he's back in the KF Plonked and 'flushed' LOL Hug Kyla > "jmcquown" >> Kyla =^..^= wrote: >>> "Billy Colburn" who managed once again to crawl out of the dumpster >>> snarffed and yapped: >>>blah, blah & blah... >>> Now go back to the 'stinky litterbox,' >>> and listen to some Barry Manilow. >>> Kyla >>> --notiting a subtle change in the 'Subject/Header >>> +=^@V@^=`, >>> X And Jill gave good advice to Kyla: >> I wouldn't have seen this Troll's reply if *you* hadn't replied to him! >> Please stop with the all drama and either killfile them or ignore them. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Hug > Kyla Kyla, I don't think there's a need to reply to *everyone* that you're kf'ling trolls by putting them in your 'litterbox'. For those of us who have done so as well, all you're doing is showing us a post that we'd rather not see. I hope you understand. Signature·.·´¨ ¨)) -:¦:- ¸.·´ .·´¨¨)) Laurie ((¸¸.·´ ..·´ -:¦:- ((¸¸ ·.· *~*LiveLoveLaugh*~* All that I am or hope to be, I owe to my angel mother. ~Abraham Lincoln "~*LiveLoveLaugh*~" > Kyla, > > I don't think there's a need to reply to *everyone* that you're kf'ling > trolls by putting them in your 'litterbox'. For those of us who have done > so as well, all you're doing is showing us a post that we'd rather not > see. I see that now. sorry... > I hope you understand. I do and I appreciated your e-mail:) Thank you Hug Kyla > "~*LiveLoveLaugh*~" >> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Hug > Kyla Kyla you are a newbie and we all make mistakes as long as you learn from them it will be ok Matthew <Iamacatslave@proudtoserve.com> wrote in message: 47f16344$0$6138$4c368faf@roadrunner.com, > Kyla you are a newbie and we all make mistakes as long as you > learn from them it will be ok Translation: You're an idiot who needs to be told who you can talk to and what you can talk about. And if you don't follow our instructions you will be ostracized. SignatureBilly Colburn >> "~*LiveLoveLaugh*~" >>> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Kyla you are a newbie and we all make mistakes as long as you learn > from them it will be ok That's what I'm trying to do Matthew, thanks. I'm learning from my many mistakes and I feel like I've alienated the whole group *sigh* But, I'll keep trying and..... learning. Kyla Hug Kyla Kyla =^.**.^= <kyla.waterman@comcast.net> wrote in message: oKWdnSWSadYqNGzanZ2dnUVZ_u2mnZ2d@comcast.com, > That's what I'm trying to do Matthew, thanks. > I'm learning from my many mistakes and [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Kyla Boo f.cking Hoo SignatureBilly Colburn jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote in message: aLadnQLIm6yH9nLanZ2dnUVZ_oytnZ2d@comcast.com, > Kyla =^..^= wrote: >> "Billy Colburn" who managed once again to crawl out of the dumpster [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > I wouldn't have seen this Troll's reply if *you* hadn't replied to > him! Wah! Wah! Wah! > Please stop with the all drama and either killfile them or > ignore them. Please????? > > Jill Translation: Stop now or I will see to it that you are ostracized for not following my rules. SignatureBilly Colburn > I wouldn't have seen this Troll's reply if *you* hadn't replied to him! > Please stop with the all drama and either killfile them or ignore them. > Please????? > > Jill Will do, have done. HTH Kyla Hey, lets leave Berry Manilow out of this discussion!!! > "Billy Colburn" who managed once again to crawl out of the dumpster > snarffed: [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > +=^@V@^=`, > X > Hey, lets leave Berry Manilow out of this discussion!!! I like Barry Manilow. Rob does not. I found out a few days ago why I was buying so many copies of Barry, Gordon Lightfoot, and (above all) Michael Bolton. Rob was discretely tossing them in the dumpster at work. When I asked him why, he said that he just didn't like them. I pointed out that I left his Roxette, heavy metal CDs, and other stuff alone, and that it wasn't fair for him to sabotage my music choices. He said that he just never thought about it and oh well. Meat Loaf does a disappearing act around our house too. Mostly because people borrow him and never bring him back. I've gone through five copies of the first "Bat out of Hell" tape and CD. Pam S. who loves the song "Read 'em and Weep." >> Hey, lets leave Berry Manilow out of this discussion!!! > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > people borrow him and never bring him back. I've gone through five copies > of the first "Bat out of Hell" tape and CD. Reminds me of "The Unadulterated Cat" by Terry Pratchett and Gray Joliffe. I've owned 6 copies so far, and I still don't have one in the house to read because I keep lending it to people who lend it to other people etc etc. Still, as books go, its one that should surely cheer the world up a little, so I don't mind being a 'supplier'. Yowie (my first read of it was whilst I was sitting in a children's oncology ward - and some idiot nurse told me to stop laughing, because there were sick & dying children present. You'd have thought the sound of laughter would be not only be welcome but actively *encouraged* in such a place) > >> Hey, lets leave Berry Manilow out of this discussion!!! > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > sick & dying children present. You'd have thought the sound of laughter > would be not only be welcome but actively *encouraged* in such a place) When I first started medical work, I was assigned to "cover" the "Pedi" (pediatric) xrays (a separate xray room) in the huge county hospital, Jackson Memorial, in a bad section of town. I worked on those kids for 4 years before I moved to Bay Area, CA. That place was the last stop for a lot of sick people, adult and child, and it still is a "teaching" hospital. Several of the kids I worked on again and again still live in my mind....no description here as it is too sad. What I want to say is that that hospital had the most caring, loving, encouraging attitude toward all the sick kids there that I have never seen since. Working on kids was so sad I made it my business to work only in ERs later in either large trauma centers or heart centers....few kids in either one. I carried a baby who lasted 9 months around on my hip outside the complex and showed him "leaves" and "trees" and "flowers" near the end....could never treat him to any food as his medical problem was a bad immune system and his little system was battling his allergies right up to the end...didn't want to kill him with a food treat. I can see him in my mind right now....he'd be 39 now. The nurses were the most caring, laughing, playful ones I ever met. Singing was encouraged too. This was late 70's and I hear they have better results with leukemia these days than then. The bigger kids had their families camped out in tiny rooms, beside their beds, and noise was constant..happy noises. I have stated here before that I don't do death well, and I had to leave that place. No other techs wanted, in general, to work on kids, as it is harder than working on adults. You are talking about a bad nurse, Yowie. I don't want to believe all childrens' hospitals in your OZ are like that one. >> >> Hey, lets leave Berry Manilow out of this discussion!!! >> [quoted text clipped - 63 lines] > bad nurse, Yowie. I don't want to believe all childrens' hospitals > in your OZ are like that one. They aren't Hopitus, they aren't. Most hospitals are full of - and indeed the vast majority of health proffesionals I have encountered are - the most wonderful, compassionate kind souls I have ever had the priveledge to encounter. There is no way I could be a medico, and those who work in palliative care and the children's wards have my utmost admiration & respect. The other nurse I didn't like was the one present for most of theYowlet's birth. I didn't want her to touch me, let alone my almost-born child! I was so grateful I gave birth half an hour after her shift was finished, I think i woudl have punched her had she laid ahand on Cary. I know that for an obs nurse, the process of birth is an 'every day' event for them, routine etc etc, but it isn't for the family about to deliver their precious little bundle. Thankfully the rest of the nurses there were fine, but I am still furiously angry with that woman who really spoiled what should have been a very special day. Yowie Yowie, here is one for the books. A young woman in Indiana is suing her Doctor because he didn't tell her labor would be so painful! Heard the case was thrown out and the judge said something like "Young woman, when you try to get something the size of a basketball through a space the size of a golfball, what do you not understand would be painful about that?" >>> >> Hey, lets leave Berry Manilow out of this discussion!!! >>> [quoted text clipped - 85 lines] > > Yowie Yikes!! Well, let a 'male' try and have a baby.. they wouldn't be able to take the pain. When I had my first (of 2) daughters back in 1967, I was in labor for 15 hours before they decided to do a C-Section, a nurse came in with very long fingernails and did a erm 'rectal' I was so out of it that I bit her 3 times, and later on, when she brought my newborn, Jennifer in, her nails were clipped, her arm was bandaged, and she gave me a major apology I told her I was sorry I bit her. Kyla "Granby" > Yowie, here is one for the books. A young woman in Indiana is suing her > Doctor because he didn't tell her labor would be so painful! Heard the > case was thrown out and the judge said something like "Young woman, when > you try to get something the size of a basketball through a space the size > of a golfball, what do you not understand would be painful about that?" > Yikes!! Well, let a 'male' try and have a baby.. > they wouldn't be able to take the pain. When I had my first (of 2) [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >> size of a golfball, what do you not understand would be painful about >> that?" Some of us "men" do know what pain is ;-) And that is a good thing. You would have a fit if you heard some of the stories I have over these many years. Also, it is a wonder any of the children turn to be ok the way the twist, turn and use those forceps (?) on them. >> Yikes!! Well, let a 'male' try and have a baby.. >> they wouldn't be able to take the pain. When I had my first (of 2) [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Some of us "men" do know what pain is ;-) > "Granby" >> Yowie, here is one for the books. A young woman in Indiana is suing her [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > I told her I was sorry I bit her. > Kyla I can't remember what the pain of birth *felt* like (I think if people could, they would only ever have one child) but I can remember the sounds of the noises I was making because of the pain. *scary* Such that I was *adament* that I wanted no pain relief except for gas before I started... and then *begged* for an epidural after i got to 4cm dilated. The relief was so profound I kissed the anaesthetist (who looked about 110 at the time). I have been told, though, that induced births are more painful because the body isn't ready yet and therefore hasn't produced enough of the endorphins and what-not that would naturally help with the pain. Yowie >> "Granby" >>> Yowie, here is one for the books. A young woman in Indiana is suing her [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >>> size of a golfball, what do you not understand would be painful about >>> that?" "Kyla =^..^=" >> Yikes!! Well, let a 'male' try and have a baby.. >> they wouldn't be able to take the pain. When I had my first (of 2) [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Yowie Wow, my 8 th grandchild, a boy, is due to arrive on the 8th of April and my daughter said that if he isn't born by then, they will induce her. This will make the 6th child for her, and she'll be 36 next month as well. The oldest boy is age 17 and I got to watch him be born, because his daddy was off in the Army in The Gulf. He came home when Shawn Jr was 1 month old. There's a set of twin boys in there, who have speech impediments, and one girl who is really hissed that she's not getting a baby sister. BTW, your Yowlet is adorable <G> Hug Kyla > Yowie, here is one for the books. A young woman in Indiana is suing her > Doctor because he didn't tell her labor would be so painful! Heard the > case was thrown out and the judge said something like "Young woman, when > you try to get something the size of a basketball through a space the > size of a golfball, what do you not understand would be painful about > that?" Wow, that's nasty. I mean, I agree with throwing the suit out of court. But there was no need for the judge to be such a jerk about it. Joyce Actually, I saw him as being pretty decent. I hate law suits like that, no basis, didn't she read the books? > > Yowie, here is one for the books. A young woman in Indiana is suing her > > Doctor because he didn't tell her labor would be so painful! Heard the [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Joyce > > Hey, lets leave Berry Manilow out of this discussion!!! > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Pam S. who loves the song "Read 'em and Weep." Shame on Rob. I've gone through 2 copies of Bat out of Hell. Because I click forward to Tract #5 repeatedly.....Gordon Lightfoot got me through Junior High, and I love those albums (now CD's) to this day. Michael Bolton just never grew on me though. Unrelated thread topic: I just never did "get" the whole furniture thing. I was very utilitarian about furniture when the kids were little & messy, and I still am. Not that I don't admire people with magazine-layout homes. I just never had the knack for it. The cats occationally scratch, we yell at them, they ignore us and we resolve never to own any expensive furniture. Pretty simple. Sherry Barry Manilow, Gordon Lightfoot, Meatloaf, XM Radio, YES!! Charleen >> Hey, lets leave Berry Manilow out of this discussion!!! > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Pam S. who loves the song "Read 'em and Weep." You're a YES fan too??? j/k Kyla "Charleen Welton" > Barry Manilow, Gordon Lightfoot, Meatloaf, XM Radio, YES!! > Charleen [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >> >> Pam S. who loves the song "Read 'em and Weep." Oh, oh, the thread took a turn. I'm a Barry Manilow, Gordon Lightfoot, Meatloaf and XM radio fan. Had my own "delivering babies" adventures, one of which resulted in changing a Blue Cross Blue Shield benefit. Who or what is YES? I was affirming my liking of the above. Charleen > You're a YES fan too??? j/k > Kyla [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >>> >>> Pam S. who loves the song "Read 'em and Weep." > Oh, oh, the thread took a turn. I'm a Barry Manilow, Gordon Lightfoot, > Meatloaf and XM radio fan. Had my own "delivering babies" adventures, one > of which resulted in changing a Blue Cross Blue Shield benefit. Who or > what is YES? I was affirming my liking of the above. > Charleen http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yes_(band) Out of all the concerts I've been to, Yes put on the best show with laser lights. They're really good! I also love Floyd, Molly Hatchett, Foghat, Ozzy, Styx, Little River Band, Cheap Trick, Queen, Foreigner, Led Zeplin and don't forget my man, Jimmy Buffet!!! :))) Signature·.·´¨ ¨)) -:¦:- ¸.·´ .·´¨¨)) Laurie ((¸¸.·´ ..·´ -:¦:- ((¸¸ ·.· *~*LiveLoveLaugh*~* All that I am or hope to be, I owe to my angel mother. ~Abraham Lincoln >> You're a YES fan too??? j/k >> Kyla [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >>>> >>>> Pam S. who loves the song "Read 'em and Weep." "~*LiveLoveLaugh*~" ... > "Charleen Welton" ... >> Oh, oh, the thread took a turn. I'm a Barry Manilow, Gordon Lightfoot, [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Ozzy, Styx, Little River Band, Cheap Trick, Queen, Foreigner, Led Zeplin > and don't forget my man, Jimmy Buffet!!! :))) I bet Queen was a fun concert, I really like them. I think as, a Pink Floyd fan, they put on THE best laser show. Saw em in 1994 in Vancouver BC and that was THE best concert I've ever been to. We also saw Little River Band <G> I saw Ozzy way back in the days of Black Sabbath and was biting the heads off bats NOT! Saw Aerosmith twice, Billy Idol twice, Pat Metheny, a lot of others. Kyla >>> You're a YES fan too??? j/k >>> Kyla [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >>>>> >>>>> Pam S. who loves the song "Read 'em and Weep." > Oh, oh, the thread took a turn. I'm a Barry Manilow, Gordon Lightfoot, > Meatloaf and XM radio fan. Had my own "delivering babies" adventures, one > of which resulted in changing a Blue Cross Blue Shield benefit. Who or what > is YES? I was affirming my liking of the above. "Yes" is a rock band from the 70s and 80s. They were pretty well-known at the time, but I don't hear too much about them now. I'm not familiar with XM Radio - is that a band? Or satellite radio station or Internet station or...? Not sure how this relates to Blue Cross, though. :) Joyce > > Oh, oh, the thread took a turn. I'm a Barry Manilow, Gordon Lightfoot, > > Meatloaf and XM radio fan. Had my own "delivering babies" adventures, one [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Joyce XM is one of the satellite radio stations. Sirius is the other. I have neither (too cheap, I guess) but I do enjoy the XM bluegrass station (CH 14) when we visit our son. Sam, supervised by Mistletoe I twisted two threads and came up with a braid! >> > Oh, oh, the thread took a turn. I'm a Barry Manilow, Gordon >> Lightfoot, > Meatloaf and XM radio fan. Had my own "delivering babies" [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> "Yes" is a rock band from the 70s and 80s. They were pretty well-known at >> the time, but I don't hear too much about them now. Not familiar with them, I was was on to other things, maybe would have been better off with YES! >> I'm not familiar with XM Radio - is that a band? Or satellite radio >> station or Internet station or...? Satelitte Radio which plays through the computer, has 106 stations, you have a mood, it has the music. My husband set up four days of Irish music for me over 3/17, I loved it (at first). >> Not sure how this relates to Blue Cross, though. :) Somehow we got into a discussion of having babies in this thread. I mentioned that one of my deliveries resulted in the change in a BCBS policy. Had to have emergency surgery immediately after delivering third child, second daughter. Remained in hospital three weeks. No one available to care for baby so BCBS paid for her care in hospital. They changed that to no care for child not requiring care, child must be discharged. >> Joyce > XM is one of the satellite radio stations. Sirius is the other. I have > neither (too cheap, I guess) but I do enjoy the XM bluegrass station (CH > 14) when we visit our son. > > Sam, supervised by Mistletoe Glad you like the XM radio, Sam. I like the radio and the kid, who is now 38 years old!! Charleen Woo Hoo <BG> Lets talk Ricky Nelson and Fabian...swoooooon Kyla "Charleen Welton" >I twisted two threads and came up with a braid! > [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > > Charleen "Sam" > bastXXXette >> Charleen Welton [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > neither (too cheap, I guess) but I do enjoy the XM bluegrass station (CH > 14) when we visit our son. I love Bluegrass too sam. I used to play the banjo along with Down From the Mountain, the soundtrack from O Brother Where Art Thou. I love Alison Kraus & Union Station. She has the voice of an angel :) > Sam, supervised by Mistletoe Kyla off to bed with the cats Yeah, the thread did take a turn dinnit? LOL YES is a UK geek band who I really don't like. I love Meatloaf. 'Bat Out of Hell'..rawks. My favorite band is Pink Floyd, and I'm a closet Lawrence Welk watcher too <G> shhhhh ah, the 'wholseome' music of yesteryear <G> I worked for Ticketmonster when Manilow tix went on sale back in 1981 sold out in 2 hrs. "Charleen Welton" > Oh, oh, the thread took a turn. I'm a Barry Manilow, Gordon Lightfoot, > Meatloaf and XM radio fan. Had my own "delivering babies" adventures, one [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] >>>> >>>> Pam S. who loves the song "Read 'em and Weep." How about Celine Dion then? Kyla "Granby" > Hey, lets leave Berry Manilow out of this discussion!!! > [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] >> +=^@V@^=`, >> X Kyla =^..^= <kyla.waterman@comcast.net> wrote in message: Yr2dna6r-phWq3LanZ2dnUVZ_tCrnZ2d@comcast.com, > "Billy Colburn" who managed once again to crawl out of the dumpster > snarffed: [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > Now go back to the 'stinky litterbox,' You keep saying that but you're still reading. LOL SignatureBilly Colburn > "Is Declawing really that cruel?" > http://network.bestfriends.org/Blogs/PostDetail.aspx?bp=325 [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > is a common surgical procedure done under anesthesia and if > done correctly, there will not be any lasting effects..." Then why is it illegal in almost all of Europe? PETA doesn't have *that* much reach... I'm not crazy |
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