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200-Pound Bear Chased Up Home's Back Yard Tree By Two Kittens

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Matthew - 28 Mar 2008 19:33 GMT
http://www.local6.com/news/15731422/detail.html
CatNipped - 28 Mar 2008 20:20 GMT
> http://www.local6.com/news/15731422/detail.html

Man, can you just hear those two kittens bragging to their friends about
that one!?? ;>

Hugs,

CatNipped
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 29 Mar 2008 20:08 GMT
>> http://www.local6.com/news/15731422/detail.html
>
> Man, can you just hear those two kittens bragging to their friends about
> that one!?? ;>

There have been times when, faced with a couple of wide-awake kittens, I
could easily relate to the bear! ;-)
Matthew - 29 Mar 2008 20:35 GMT
>>> http://www.local6.com/news/15731422/detail.html
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> There have been times when, faced with a couple of wide-awake kittens, I
> could easily relate to the bear! ;-)

Reminds me of that commercial with the old lady and whole lot of cats and
she runs out of milk the lights go out
22brix - 28 Mar 2008 20:53 GMT
> http://www.local6.com/news/15731422/detail.html

I love it!  Thanks, Matthew, for posting it.  Hopefully poor beasty will
figure out how to get back down on it's own!

Bonnie
Matthew - 28 Mar 2008 21:00 GMT
>> http://www.local6.com/news/15731422/detail.html
>
> I love it!  Thanks, Matthew, for posting it.  Hopefully poor beasty will
> figure out how to get back down on it's own!
>
> Bonnie

They will tranq it and relocate it  always happens down here
bastXXXette@sonic.net - 28 Mar 2008 21:34 GMT
> http://www.local6.com/news/15731422/detail.html

Oh, that reminds me of this story - remember this? With the unforgettable
photo. (Important: make sure to look at the *bottom* of the tree :))

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/06/060613-cat-bear.html

Apparently this isn't all that uncommon. I still think it's hilarious,
though.

Joyce

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Matthew - 28 Mar 2008 21:43 GMT
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>
> Joyce

Did not they have a video on AMFHV where a bear walks by a bush and a cat
chases it into the woods

If these felines could talk we would be in trouble
22brix - 28 Mar 2008 22:10 GMT
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> If these felines could talk we would be in trouble

Yes, I've seen it several times and laugh each time!  Gotta love them killer
cats!

Bonnie
Granby - 28 Mar 2008 22:26 GMT
Geez and I get unhappy when the deer come and look in my window.  Drives the
cats crazy.

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> Bonnie
Kreisleriana - 28 Mar 2008 23:19 GMT
> > http://www.local6.com/news/15731422/detail.html
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> Joyce

Poor bear.  Those black bears aren't getting a lot of love in the suburbs.

Theresa, Stinky and Dante
Christina Websell - 29 Mar 2008 03:40 GMT
> http://www.local6.com/news/15731422/detail.html

OMG.  I am so lucky to live in England where our biggest predators are foxes
and badgers.
bastXXXette@sonic.net - 29 Mar 2008 04:11 GMT
> > http://www.local6.com/news/15731422/detail.html
> >
> OMG.  I am so lucky to live in England where our biggest predators are foxes
> and badgers.

But if you did have bears, the very fierce KFC would defend you! :)

JOyce
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Christina Websell - 30 Mar 2008 00:24 GMT
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> But if you did have bears, the very fierce KFC would defend you! :)

Yeah, right, she weighs 4 lbs, how much does a bear weigh? 500lbs? No
contest.
And yes she would try but I would not let her.
She is old and needs to be in front of the fire soaking up the heat. Which
she is.
bastXXXette@sonic.net - 30 Mar 2008 00:30 GMT
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>> But if you did have bears, the very fierce KFC would defend you! :)

> Yeah, right, she weighs 4 lbs, how much does a bear weigh? 500lbs? No
> contest.

But that's the whole point. These bears in the US that are being chased
up trees have been chased by *kittens*.

> She is old and needs to be in front of the fire soaking up the heat. Which
> she is.

Well, OK. She does deserve her retirement.

Joyce

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EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 29 Mar 2008 20:11 GMT
>> http://www.local6.com/news/15731422/detail.html
>>
> OMG.  I am so lucky to live in England where our biggest predators are foxes
> and badgers.

I'm not sure a bear counts as a "predator", exactly!  True, they can be
aggressive, but SFAIK, they are mainly vegetarian, aren't they?
bastXXXette@sonic.net - 29 Mar 2008 21:46 GMT
> I'm not sure a bear counts as a "predator", exactly!  True, they can be
> aggressive, but SFAIK, they are mainly vegetarian, aren't they?

No, bears are carnivores. That doesn't mean they don't also eat other
stuff, but they do kill to eat. They certainly eat fish!

Joyce

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Matthew - 29 Mar 2008 21:53 GMT
> > I'm not sure a bear counts as a "predator", exactly!  True, they can be
> > aggressive, but SFAIK, they are mainly vegetarian, aren't they?
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>
> Joyce

FYI  http://myfwc.com/bear/foodlist.htm
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 30 Mar 2008 19:55 GMT
>  > I'm not sure a bear counts as a "predator", exactly!  True, they can be
>  > aggressive, but SFAIK, they are mainly vegetarian, aren't they?
>
> No, bears are carnivores. That doesn't mean they don't also eat other
> stuff, but they do kill to eat. They certainly eat fish!

Right, I forgot about fish.  Actually, I think the term in their case is
not "carnivore" but "omnivore" (same as humans).
bastXXXette@sonic.net - 30 Mar 2008 22:11 GMT
> >  > I'm not sure a bear counts as a "predator", exactly!  True, they can be
> >  > aggressive, but SFAIK, they are mainly vegetarian, aren't they?
> >
> > No, bears are carnivores. That doesn't mean they don't also eat other
> > stuff, but they do kill to eat. They certainly eat fish!

> Right, I forgot about fish.  Actually, I think the term in their case is
> not "carnivore" but "omnivore" (same as humans).

It's true, but I think, in terms of taxonomy, they belong in the category
of carnivore, with canines and felines (and others). Canines also eat a
bunch of stuff besides meat. Now I need to go to a taxonomy site and refresh
my memory. Also, it's always changing, so it will be interesting to see
how it's been rearranged since I last perused it, which was several years
ago.

Joyce

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Will in New Haven - 30 Mar 2008 22:22 GMT
On Mar 30, 4:11 pm, bastXXXe...@sonic.net wrote:
>  > bastXXXe...@sonic.net wrote:
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> how it's been rearranged since I last perused it, which was several years
> ago.

You have it. Bears vary in the amount of meat in their diet but they
all belong to the order Carnivora.

-
Will in New Haven
"The silence of a falling star lights up the purple sky
And while I wonder where you are I'm
so lonesome I could cry"

Hank Williams from "So Lonesome I Could
Granby - 30 Mar 2008 23:00 GMT
Thank Hank Williams song is one of the saddest song I have ever heard.
> On Mar 30, 4:11 pm, bastXXXe...@sonic.net wrote:
>>  > bastXXXe...@sonic.net wrote:
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>
> Hank Williams from "So Lonesome I Could
Jo Firey - 29 Mar 2008 21:51 GMT
>>> http://www.local6.com/news/15731422/detail.html
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> I'm not sure a bear counts as a "predator", exactly!  True, they can be
> aggressive, but SFAIK, they are mainly vegetarian, aren't they?

Not really vegetarian, but the American black bear is hardly the big game
hunter some would make him out to be.

They are omnivorous and can become scavengers quite readily.  Berries and
bugs and larvae and maybe fish if they are very ambitious.  They really
aren't fast enough to catch and kill much of anything.  More likely to rob a
birds nest of eggs than to go after a bird.  They would be far more likely
to go after a cougars days old kill than to kill on their own.  They will
eat grubs and other insects, roots, flowers, grasses, acorns, fruit, and
carrion, as well as groundhogs, deer, and other small mammals.  Bears will
raid orchards, beehives, and agricultural crops. They also frequent garbage
dumps or may raid the trash bins of businesses or private homes.

In California they are mostly a problem because they can open almost
anything.  When we stayed at Yosemite two years ago we weren't allowed to
leave even an empty ice chest that had only contained water in the car.
They are also very good at breaking and entering.  The smell of food will
draw them into a house.  Doors are no big deal.  And once they've discovered
refrigerators and pantries they have to be relocated 'far, far away'.

Partly problems result from homes in bear habitat, but partly bear habitat
has grown because their growing population pushed them back into residential
areas.

Jo
Cheryl P. - 30 Mar 2008 00:51 GMT
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> Not really vegetarian, but the American black bear is hardly the big game
> hunter some would make him out to be.

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Black bears aren't usually considered dangerous to humans unless you get
between Mama and her cubs or (in I think one or two extremely unusual
situations) someone basically trip overs one that's just coming out of
hibernation, and VERY hungry and bad-tempered. If you do upset a bear,
I'm told that they are very powerful, and can move a LOT faster than
you'd expect!

Grizzlies and polar bears are both bigger than black bears and said to
be more aggressive. Since polar bears spend so much of their time on the
ice, every couple of years or so, one ends up floating way south of
their normal range, and swimming ashore in my area. Now, *that's* a big
scary animal to see coming up the front steps following the interesting
scent of something tasty. They are also less inclined to live off
berries and other vegetation, I think.

Normally, of course, as soon as someone spots them, everyone's warned
and they are reported to the Wildlife people who have the job of
catching them and giving them a nice helicopter ride back north. But
there have been cases of one of them trying to get through a living room
picture window.

Cheyrl
bastXXXette@sonic.net - 30 Mar 2008 02:52 GMT
> Grizzlies and polar bears are both bigger than black bears and said to
> be more aggressive. Since polar bears spend so much of their time on the
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> scent of something tasty. They are also less inclined to live off
> berries and other vegetation, I think.

Yeah, not much of those in their neighborhoods, I guess.

> Normally, of course, as soon as someone spots them, everyone's warned
> and they are reported to the Wildlife people who have the job of
> catching them and giving them a nice helicopter ride back north. But
> there have been cases of one of them trying to get through a living room
> picture window.

Yikes! That would be pretty scary for the people inside.

Joyce

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Granby - 30 Mar 2008 02:29 GMT
I don't give a hoot what they eat so long as it isn't me and I am not close
enough I can see or hear them chomping.

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> Jo
Will in New Haven - 30 Mar 2008 14:51 GMT
> I don't give a hoot what they eat so long as it isn't me and I am not close
> enough I can see or hear them chomping.

All you have to do is be faster than whomever you are with. So never
go into bear country alone or with fast runners.

-
Will in New Haven
This would be a better world for children if the
parents had to eat the spinach.
 -Groucho Marx, "Animal Crackers"
Granby - 30 Mar 2008 15:37 GMT
That certainly limits my relocation potential!!!
>> I don't give a hoot what they eat so long as it isn't me and I am not
>> close
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> parents had to eat the spinach.
>  -Groucho Marx, "Animal Crackers"
tanadashoes - 30 Mar 2008 20:56 GMT
>> I don't give a hoot what they eat so long as it isn't me and I am not
>> close
>> enough I can see or hear them chomping.
>
> All you have to do is be faster than whomever you are with. So never
> go into bear country alone or with fast runners.

So that's why several people asked me to go to the Rockies with them.

Pam S. giggling
22brix - 30 Mar 2008 05:28 GMT
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>
> Jo

We have a couple of true bear stories in our family.  One of my sisters has
a cabin in the Sierra's, on the way to Lake Tahoe.  A black bear broke into
her cabin, not by the windows but actually through the wall.  It had a wild
party which involved removing most of the food from the cupboards and
leaving a sticky mess with honey, crackers and a host of other comestibles
all over the floor.  Bear then crapped on the living room floor, opened a
book in front of the fire place with a carefully opened package of Ritz
crackers.  After reading a bit, and eating a few of said crackers, went into
the bedroom and pulled the covers back on the bed, very neatly, too.  My
sister walked in on the party, surprising the bear and herself!  Bear
finally left with some persuasion (my sister shot a rifle into the air) and
sister was left with a huge mess to clean up!

The other story was a bit scarier.  Another sister lives in Alaska.  Her
husband was on a photography outing in Denali Park (a huge wilderness park a
few hours south of Fairbanks, Alaska.  In this park, you cannot drive your
private vehicle into the park but can catch a ride on shuttle buses that
will drop you off wherever you want.  He hiked a couple of miles off the
park road and started taking pictures.  He spotted a grizzly bear and
commenced taking pictures of it, realizing after a bit that he could no
longer focus on the bear.  The bear kept approaching and eventually my BIL
dropped to the ground and assumed the fetal position, as advised by many
wildlife experts.  The bear came up to him, sniffed at him, and eventually
started biting at his leg.  How my BIL didn't get himself killed I don't
know but he eventually had enough of the pain, kind of tossed his backpack
to distract the bear.  The bear woofed a bit, backed away and then sauntered
off.  My BIL had to hike back to the road and wait for someone to stop and
pick him up, all the while fearing the bear would come back.  This happened
the first time I went to Alaska for the first time and I have to admit I've
been petrified of grizzlies ever since!

Bonnie
Will in New Haven - 30 Mar 2008 14:56 GMT
> >>>>http://www.local6.com/news/15731422/detail.html
>
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> finally left with some persuasion (my sister shot a rifle into the air) and
> sister was left with a huge mess to clean up!

I bet he didn't pay for the food or the damages? No point in suing.

> The other story was a bit scarier.  Another sister lives in Alaska.  Her
> husband was on a photography outing in Denali Park (a huge wilderness park a
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> the first time I went to Alaska for the first time and I have to admit I've
> been petrified of grizzlies ever since!

The "fetal position" advice works great, or at least it is possibly
the best move, if the bear is afraid of you, for itself or her cubs,
and might attack you out of fear. For dealing with a bear that wants
to eat you or with a curious bear who might _decide_ he wants to eat
you, it is the worst possible thing to do. Curb service. Your brother
did very well to change his tactics. Most bear attacks are based on
fear, though.

-
Will in New Haven
This would be a better world for children if the
parents had to eat the spinach.
 -Groucho Marx, "Animal Crackers"
Will in New Haven - 29 Mar 2008 21:57 GMT
On Mar 29, 2:11 pm, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
<evgm...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >>http://www.local6.com/news/15731422/detail.html
>
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> I'm not sure a bear counts as a "predator", exactly!  True, they can be
> aggressive, but SFAIK, they are mainly vegetarian, aren't they?

Well, they are members of the order Carnivora, just as cats are. But
they are closer to d*gs. The Black Bear in the story is a member of a
species that is not very ambitious as a predator and does often eat
vegetation. But they do hunt and kill on occasion. Other bear species
are varied in the amount they hunt and eat meat, with the Polar Bear
being almost entirely carnivorous and the Giant Panda (which is a
bear) being almost entirely vegetarian, but it eats an occasional
small rodent when it makes itself available. The bear you used to have
in England, the Brown Bear, would be moderately active as a predator,
especially preying on fish.

--
Will in New Haven
"If you don't see the mouse at the table in the first few minutes,
check your own breath for cheese." Feather in <Poker for Cats>
Will in New Haven - 29 Mar 2008 04:09 GMT
> http://www.local6.com/news/15731422/detail.html

I can''t wait to tell this to my friend Bruce's cat Wascal. He has
carried himself with a bit of a strut ever since he chased a raccoon
away from teh cat food years ago. THIS will show him.

--
Will in New Haven
May you have warm words on a cold evening, a full moon on a dark
night, and the road
downhill all the way to your door. - Irish blessing
Granby - 29 Mar 2008 04:17 GMT
Now listen Bubba you don't go giving Wascal a hard time.  My Cat Miz Piglet
happens to like him and won't stand for any teasing.
>> http://www.local6.com/news/15731422/detail.html
>
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> night, and the road
> downhill all the way to your door. - Irish blessing
Will in New Haven - 29 Mar 2008 05:15 GMT
> Now listen Bubba you don't go giving Wascal a hard time.  My Cat Miz Piglet
> happens to like him and won't stand for any teasing.

He doesn't mind a bit of teasing. He can take it. After all, he lives
with Heather, an Airedale Terrorist by trade. And he was raised a barn
cat. Tough, he is, although quite the gentlecat.

--
Will in New Haven
May you have warm words on a cold evening, a full moon on a dark
night, and the road
downhill all the way to your door. - Irish blessing
Granby - 29 Mar 2008 05:56 GMT
Ok, so long as you are nice to him and aware of his feelings, Miz Piglet
won't get upset.
>> Now listen Bubba you don't go giving Wascal a hard time.  My Cat Miz
>> Piglet
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> night, and the road
> downhill all the way to your door. - Irish blessing

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