Sorry, just a brief vent.
Chatter, "bless her", (note the sarcasm) was spayed yesterday. In
the UK, the vets use a flank incision. Last night, I briefly took
off her E-collar so she could eat her dinner, turned my back for 1
second, and she ripped her stitches out. (This was 11.30pm). Rang
the vet, drove to the vet surgery, got her wound stapled. Got to bed
1am.
This morning, the little minx got her E-collar off 1/2 way over her
head, so I had to take it off to put it back on. I conentrate on
sorting out the collar to refix it for oooh, all of 10 seconds, and
the little minx rips her staples out. 9am, we're back at the vet.
Wound glue and more staples.
Tonight, I took her e-collar off so she could just clean herself
briefly after dinner. I was supervising this time. She's like
greased lightening. In all of 3 seconds after taking the collar off,
she'd ripped the staples out of her wound, and pulled at the wound
glue so that the spay incision opened again.
I've spoken to the vet, put the E-collar back on, and patched her up
with butterfly sutures (the sticky tape kind) and covered/dressed
the wound. Back to the doctors office at 9am tomorrow.
GAH! GAH!, GAH!, and double GAH! Bloody cat!
Why, oh why, did I have to end up with a self opinionated little
calico with attitude?? Why can't I have a Hallmark kitty? <whine> ;o)
Sorry, just had to get that off my chest. I'm a little
frustrated! ;o)
Helen M
Denise VanDyke - 25 Nov 2004 00:45 GMT
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Do you suppose a tiny bit of a mild sedative would help? Just enough to
slow her down a little? I hate to do that to them, but sometimes (like
with some people) a bit of physician induced mellowness is called for.
- Denise who would love for Brenna to have a little more natural
mellowness to ease her stressed-out personality (no, sweetie, that noise
is the clothes washer - just like the last 1,500 times it startled
you...sigh)
Nik Simpson - 25 Nov 2004 00:53 GMT
>> Sorry, just had to get that off my chest. I'm a little
>> frustrated! ;o)
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> Do you suppose a tiny bit of a mild sedative would help?
For Helen or the Cat, or both? I suggest a mild sedative for the cat and a
stiff G&T for Helen :-)

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Denise VanDyke - 25 Nov 2004 00:55 GMT
>>>Sorry, just had to get that off my chest. I'm a little
>>>frustrated! ;o)
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> For Helen or the Cat, or both? I suggest a mild sedative for the cat and a
> stiff G&T for Helen :-)
LOL! Guess I should have specified. Yeah, that sounds pretty much like
what I was thinking.
- Denise
Melissa Houle - 25 Nov 2004 07:16 GMT
> >>>Sorry, just had to get that off my chest. I'm a little
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> LOL! Guess I should have specified. Yeah, that sounds pretty much like
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I agree! LOL
Laughter all aside, you have my sympathies, Helen. Cesca was very obliging
about not disturbing the stitches from HER incision when Nina arrived.
Maybe she was too preoccupied with motherhood at the time. But a bit of
pharmeceutical mellowing agent may save your sanity, and make Chatters more
comfortable. I agree, that if she's fussing at the incision this much, it
must be hurting her.
Melissa
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Kreisleriana - 25 Nov 2004 00:56 GMT
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What a little monkey!
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Yoj - 25 Nov 2004 01:01 GMT
She sounds like a real brat cat! She reminds me of the way Nanki-Poo
fought the appetite stimulants. You'd have thought we were trying to
poison him! All I can say is, a cat with that much fight in her (or
him) is going to fight to recover from anything.
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Jo Firey - 25 Nov 2004 01:06 GMT
Didn't someone yesterday post that calico's can be a bit "single minded?"
It sure fits Molly.
Knock it off Chatter. Helen could use a bit of a break.
Jo
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mlbriggs - 25 Nov 2004 01:28 GMT
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Will send heartfelt purrs that the little imp will leave her wound alone.
Perhaps TED could give her a sedative for a few days. It must hurt. MLB
Lois Reay - 25 Nov 2004 01:38 GMT

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Reminds me of the Tonkinese cat I had a few years ago (Cheyanne) she had to
have a Caesarean, every day (and twice in one day) I had to take her back to
the vet to be re-stitched.
I have never been a fan of the E collar but decided on the second trip back
to the vet to give it a go, by the time I had driven the 15 minutes home
from the vet she had it off!!
The wound eventually healed.
Lois
Christine Burel - 25 Nov 2004 01:47 GMT
You have my complete sympathies, Helen! She sounds extremely smart. Get
some rest -- purrs for you, and for Chatter, although I think you need them
more than she does!
Christine
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JB - 25 Nov 2004 04:10 GMT
In <575fabc293d50135e940953480e604fc.76411@mygate.mailgate.org>,
Helen Miles <helen.miles@virgin.net> shouted to everyone in earshot,
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>the vet, drove to the vet surgery, got her wound stapled. Got to bed
>1am.
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ugh, that's got to be really frustrating. I hope Chatter can get
with the program and let you get your blood pressure down just a
little.
my own spay tale: I had Grizzly and Buck spayed almost two years ago
at the same time. each had a belly incision with four sutures.
didn't have them home for half an hour and each had a suture out
already. dash back to the vet to pick up some collars. that
generally took care of them, though each managed to pull another
stitch over the next few days. (luckily, no drastic measures were
needed--the remaining stitches held the incisions until they healed
fully.) they couldn't eat with the collars on, so I had them off for
that, and I'd try to give them some "free time" to play around
(supervised) afterwards as well. what was the worst for me was when I
had to leave them unsupervised for whatever reason and put the collars
back on, and they just looked so horribly sad about that. and all the
while, Jimmer was stressing out about the new smells they had brought
home from the vet--he didn't recognise them any more, I guess, so he
did the old "hiss, run, and hide" thing for about a week.
interestingly, though, Buck and I started a really nice routine during
that time--it's just about my favourite part of the day. after I
shower and brush my teeth in the morning, she squeals at me until I
finish up and go to my room to get dressed. she leads me in there,
squealing all the way (the squealing would be meowing if she could do
it properly), and leaps up on my bed. then she rubs all over me while
I put my socks on and even lets me pick her up a little, and when I'm
standing next to my bed after I've put my pants on, she puts her front
paws up on me and tries to get her face as close to mine as she can
(which isn't that close, as I'm over 6' tall and she's tiny, but I of
course bend down for her).
Jeff

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Karen Chuplis - 25 Nov 2004 04:55 GMT
> interestingly, though, Buck and I started a really nice routine during
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Awwwwwww:)
D. R. Crawford - 25 Nov 2004 05:04 GMT
I don't know if this is applicable, but once upon a time my mother had two
cats who needed to be neutered and they were both very rambunctious so I
suggested getting a cage to keep them in after their surgery. My reasoning
was that that would probably keep them subdued. It worked beautifully, as
they tended to lay still and neither one was ever agitated and neither one
did anything to their stitches. I have no idea if this works generally but
it sure worked fine on those two cats. The cage wasn't cheap, though.
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Helen Miles - 25 Nov 2004 14:26 GMT
> I don't know if this is applicable, but once upon a time my mother had two
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> did anything to their stitches. I have no idea if this works generally but
> it sure worked fine on those two cats. The cage wasn't cheap, though.
We tried the cage idea when she got home..........for all of 30 seconds.
What can I say? She's an opinionated Calico!
Thanks for the suggestion tho' :o)
Helen M
dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers - 25 Nov 2004 10:07 GMT
Waffles will not keep an E-collar on either. When she had her eye removed, she
had the e-collar off in less than a minute and she pulled out one of the
stitches in her eye. Lovely... not.
Thankfully she didn't mess with her stitches when she got speyed.
Would a bandage completely wrapped round Chatter's body help??
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William Hamblen - 24 Nov 2004 16:51 GMT
>Waffles will not keep an E-collar on either.
The only cat I ever had in an elizabethen collar tolerated it pretty
well. Tiger was a large cat so the vet put him in a dog collar. His
grooming instinct was as strong as ever, but all he could lick was the
inside of the collar, which got a good workout.
Enfilade - 25 Nov 2004 19:25 GMT
> Thankfully she didn't mess with her stitches when she got speyed.
Welcome to the badness that only a kitty can provide :)
After Nocturne's spay, the internal stitches ruptured and gave her a
hernia. That made it uncomfortable for her to urinate or defecate.
Even after surgery fixed the hernia, she still needed several enemas
(and a diet of half pureed pumpkin half cat food) to get her to do #2
again.
I don't tell that story much as I fear some people would be afraid to
spay, where the odds of that happening are so low and the odds of
unwanted kittens being put to sleep are so high. But GAH...cats make
you go insane sometimes :)
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gracecat - 26 Nov 2004 02:08 GMT
When Mutt (I know, it's a dog but she's 12 pounds so it's applicable) had
her surgery for a leg injury, she pulle stitches out the next day. I wrapped
it in something called "vet wrap". It's typically used for horse's legs and
such, it's a stretchy sticky-ish blue or white tape that's very flexible and
moves with the body. It worked for her.
Grace
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Jo Firey - 26 Nov 2004 03:50 GMT
> When Mutt (I know, it's a dog but she's 12 pounds so it's applicable) had
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That sounds like what we used on our poodle Taffee when she had hip surgery.
Jo
polonca12000 - 25 Nov 2004 17:25 GMT
Lots of purrs and best wishes for Chatter to leave her wound alone from now
on, and gentle calming hugs for you, Helen, for taking such good care of
her,

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> Sorry, just a brief vent.
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> Chatter, "bless her", (note the sarcasm) was spayed yesterday. In
> the UK, the vets use a flank incision. Last night, I briefly took
> off her E-collar so she could eat her dinner, turned my back for 1
> second, and she ripped her stitches out. <snip
Exocat - 25 Nov 2004 18:53 GMT
Sympathetic sedating purrs to you both.
No helpful hints I'm afraid, just overwhelming relief that my 3 boys
aren't that difficult :-)
Having said which, I'm now preparing for the inevitable.
Best wishes
Gordon & the TT

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Tish Silberbauer - 25 Nov 2004 22:02 GMT
Honey, *all* calicos are self-opinionated and have attitude! What
you've got is, to your regret and delight, completely normal!
Please give that wicked miss a kiss on the top of her furry head from
me!
Tish
>Why, oh why, did I have to end up with a self opinionated little
>calico with attitude?? Why can't I have a Hallmark kitty? <whine> ;o)
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>Helen M