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Yowie - 23 Mar 2008 11:52 GMT
I'm thinking of Charleen especially here, but others have been through the
same thing, and I also speak from experience myself.

As much as we share on this here NG and other electronic media, other people
are not privvy to the minutaie of the situation, or our lives, our
relationships with our cats, and indeed, the personality of the people or
pets themselves.

It is easy to say "well, if I was in that situation, I would have....." and
go on to criticise a friend's tough decision, but really, we are in no
position to truly understand and appreciate *all* the factors that go into
the decision.

We can only trust, knowing each other as we do, that as catslaves, that the
other is doing their own best as they see fit. It may not be our own best,
we may have made different choices had we been in the same situation, but if
we have any faith in each other at all, then we need to support each other
even though perhaps we would have done things differently had we been
presented with the same situation.

Anyone who has made a heartbreaking decision is already second guessing
themselves, is already feeling guilty about not being able to make a
'better' decision, even though there is no 'better' decision to make. Those
that make a person feel even guiltier for doing the Right Thing are simply
projecting their own fear and their own guilt. They do not know the intimate
details of the situation, and are in no position to judge. And most
tellingly, when asked to do what they have just berated another person for
*not* doing, they fall oddly silent, knowing that in Reality, they are just
as powerless to stop Real Life and the tragedy that is part of it as anyone
else. What they are really railing against, it seems to me, is not the other
person's difficult decision, but rather, some decision that they have made
in the past that they still feel guilty over.

If ever in a sitiatuon where a difficult decision is required, we can only
do the best we can at the time with the resources, knowledge and capacity we
have *at that time*. It does no good to second that decisision once its
made, only to be sure that we did the best we could *at the time* with what
we had. Once you know in your heart that the decision - whatever it was -
was the 'best' it could be at the time, then please do not let anyone else's
insecurity get to you. They weren't there, they weren't the person who had
to make the decision, and they will never *ever* know all of what was going
through your head & heart at the time.

Their self righteous blathering is just a way for them to hide from their
own guilt. It means less than nothing, and thats exactly what they'll do if
asked to 'step up' and actually do what it was they demanded of you. They
are cowards, always willing to play "Monday Morning Quarterbacks", but never
willing to get out there in the mud & muck themselves.

They are not worthy of our attention. Know that you did your best, and do
not allow others to share their own guilt with you - it doesn't help them
any, and it certainly doesn't help you.

Hugs

Yowie
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If you're paddling upstream in a canoe and a wheel falls off, how many
pancakes can you fit in a doghouse? None, icecream doesn't have bones.

jmcquown - 23 Mar 2008 12:19 GMT
> I'm thinking of Charleen especially here, but others have been
> through the same thing, and I also speak from experience myself.
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>
> Yowie

I didn't snip a thing because you're right on target!

As you know, I just went through some difficult decisions concerning my
father.  Mother was a wreck, having just gotten out of the hospital herself
and still not feeling well.  One of my brothers was constantly questioning
and (albeit circumspectly) second-guessing everything.  You think you can do
better YOU come down here and deal with it.  Funny how he had to go on a
business trip instead.

Jill
Granby - 23 Mar 2008 12:21 GMT
Excellent post.  I heard a saying once about not judging a man until you had
walked a mile in his shoes.
> I'm thinking of Charleen especially here, but others have been through the
> same thing, and I also speak from experience myself.
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>
> Yowie
jmcquown - 23 Mar 2008 13:43 GMT
> Excellent post.  I heard a saying once about not judging a man until
> you had walked a mile in his shoes.

Especially when the shoes are a size too small ;)

Jill

>> I'm thinking of Charleen especially here, but others have been
>> through the same thing, and I also speak from experience myself.
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>> many pancakes can you fit in a doghouse? None, icecream doesn't have
>> bones.
Lesley - 23 Mar 2008 18:32 GMT
> Excellent post.  I heard a saying once about not judging a man until you had
> walked a mile in his shoes."

And then if you decide you don't like him....you're a mile away....and
he doesn't have any shoes

Lesley

Slave of the Fabulous Furballs
Granby - 23 Mar 2008 19:46 GMT
I love it, never thought of it that way!
On Mar 23, 4:21 am, "Granby" <s...@joink.com> wrote:
> Excellent post. I heard a saying once about not judging a man until you
> had
> walked a mile in his shoes."

And then if you decide you don't like him....you're a mile away....and
he doesn't have any shoes

Lesley

Slave of the Fabulous Furballs
Matthew - 23 Mar 2008 19:02 GMT
> Excellent post.  I heard a saying once about not judging a man until you
> had walked a mile in his shoes.
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>>
>> Yowie

I got a better one than that  every Christian alive knows it one of my
favorites

Matthew 7 (King James Version)

1Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure
ye mete, it shall be measured to you again

In other words keep your mouth shut unless you know the whole situation or
be prepared to have come back and bite you in the a@@
Granby - 23 Mar 2008 19:44 GMT
And, all of God's Children say AMEN!
>> Excellent post.  I heard a saying once about not judging a man until you
>> had walked a mile in his shoes.
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> In other words keep your mouth shut unless you know the whole situation or
> be prepared to have come back and bite you in the a@@
outsider - 23 Mar 2008 13:16 GMT
> I'm thinking of Charleen especially here, but others have been through
> the same thing, and I also speak from experience myself.
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>
> Yowie

Very well said.

As for guilt; I don't do it.  I learn from my mistakes but I don't feel
guilty over them.  I learned that almost two decades ago.  If someone tries
to make me feel guilty it just seems funny to me.  The odd thing is since I
dumped guilt I started making fewer mistakes.  Go figure.

Andy
Stormmee - 23 Mar 2008 15:03 GMT
standing and cheering, Lee
> I'm thinking of Charleen especially here, but others have been through the
> same thing, and I also speak from experience myself.
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> If you're paddling upstream in a canoe and a wheel falls off, how many
> pancakes can you fit in a doghouse? None, icecream doesn't have bones.
CatNipped - 23 Mar 2008 15:11 GMT
> I'm thinking of Charleen especially here, but others have been through the
> same thing, and I also speak from experience myself.
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>
> Yowie

Well said, Yowie.  This sort of reminds me of a prejudice out there most
people aren't even aware of.  When I was working at Amoco I happened to walk
past an open office door and heard two senior analysts talking about a
co-worker whom I knew quite well.  One of the "yuppies" said, very snidely,
"Well if she wanted a better job she should have gone to a better college!"
I couldn't help myself, I stopped, turned around and asked nicely, "What
college did you go to, X?"  "Well Prestigious College 3" she said.  "And who
paid your tuition?" I asked.  "My family," she said, seeming a bit flustered
at that point.  "How fortunate for you," I said and continued on my way.  I
didn't even bother to tell them that my friend's mom cleaned houses for a
living, as did her mother before her.  My friend worked two jobs while she
was at school and was still paying off a college loan 6 years after she
graduated her non-prestigious college.

When people have money, they have NO idea what it's like to live from
paycheck to paycheck knowing that one unexpected expense could cause
disaster.

Hugs,

CatNipped
Lesley - 23 Mar 2008 16:48 GMT
> When people have money, they have NO idea what it's like to live from
> paycheck to paycheck knowing that one unexpected expense could cause
> disaster.

It's  like Jim the Gardener was saying the other week about two mutual
friends one of whom is well off and the other has well off parents
"They just texted me saying to keep some money back and go out with
them tonight. It never occurs to them that I have no money to keep
back in the first place!"

Lesley

Slave of the Fabulous Furballs
Yowie - 23 Mar 2008 22:09 GMT
>> I'm thinking of Charleen especially here, but others have been
>> through the same thing, and I also speak from experience myself.
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> paycheck to paycheck knowing that one unexpected expense could cause
> disaster.

I remember once, being  a poor struggling student, getting my 'monthly
visitor' a week early and having no money to buy anything to deal with it. I
ended up stealing from the dispensing machine at work.

In comparison to those times, I currently lead a charmed life. But in a way
I'm glad I worked to get where I am, it is my own life, warts and all.

Yowie
Granby - 23 Mar 2008 22:36 GMT
I started waiting table at the School for the Blind in Ill. when I was nine.
Have worked every day, so it seems since then.  Have yet to have a real
vacation.  Would like besides to the Rainbow Bridge but, that will probably
be it.  If you don't take, you don't owe.  Something to be said for that.
>>> I'm thinking of Charleen especially here, but others have been
>>> through the same thing, and I also speak from experience myself.
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>
> Yowie
Bettina - 23 Mar 2008 16:38 GMT
> I'm thinking of Charleen especially here, but others have been through the
> same thing, and I also speak from experience myself.
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> If you're paddling upstream in a canoe and a wheel falls off, how many
> pancakes can you fit in a doghouse? None, icecream doesn't have bones.

How very well put. It was about time someone stated that here.

love
Bettina
Jo Firey - 23 Mar 2008 17:51 GMT
Excuse the top post.

I don't know why "Yowie" that once in a while you kind of surprise me with
such a caring and well thought out post as this.  Somehow I view you as
racing madly through life keeping up with you spouse and the Yowlet and the
furkids as well as work.  I know that you are also a scientist with a gift
for sharing your knowledge in a way others can understand.

But you are also one of the good people here who take the time and care so
much about how others are able to deal with their lives as well.

Thank you just for being you.  A pretty all around terrific person.

Jo

> I'm thinking of Charleen especially here, but others have been through the
> same thing, and I also speak from experience myself.
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>
> Yowie
Charleen Welton - 23 Mar 2008 19:01 GMT
Jo, Yowie has been on RPCA for many, many years.  Read her stories on
Flippy's Page and Dave Stevenson's Pages.  The stories range from belly
busting funny to heart breaking sad, so be prepared.  Not one thing in the
world that this amazing young woman did, does or will do surprises me.

Vicky has an incredible depth of understanding human nature.  She has
compassion in abundance.  She has the ability to see the reality in what
appears to be an unreal situation.  Vicky is fair, scurplously fair.

The saying; Wise beyond her years, applies to Vicky.

For years we bandged a pinprick of a problem now and again for her, she
mended our heats and did it often.

Vicky is managing a very, very busy life right now and like all working
mothers is tired, stessed and time-crunched. But what she is not is less
loved, cherished and held in the highest of esteem.

We've very forunate that she in not too busy for RPCA!

Charleen

> Excuse the top post.
>
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>>
>> Yowie
Jo Firey - 23 Mar 2008 20:02 GMT
> Jo, Yowie has been on RPCA for many, many years.  Read her stories on
> Flippy's Page and Dave Stevenson's Pages.  The stories range from belly
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>
> Charleen

Oh, I know this very well.  I've been here a while myself.  Its just that I
somehow see her as having this wild and crazy life,  and I love it when I'm
reminded how very much more there is to her.

That plus I could well see her with a career as a writer.  Its rare to see
someone who has both a strong grasp of science as well as the written word.

Jo
Kreisleriana - 23 Mar 2008 18:08 GMT
> I'm thinking of Charleen especially here, but others have been through the
> same thing, and I also speak from experience myself.
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> not allow others to share their own guilt with you - it doesn't help them
> any, and it certainly doesn't help you.

Yowie, and all--
I would agree that they're certainly not worthy of Charleen's attention.
But what is so loathsome to me about this kind of posting is the
*vulnerability* of the people at whom these are always aimed.  These are
people who have just lost their precious friend, and who are in as much pain
as we've ever felt.  On top of that, they are so often tormented by their
own doubts and fears about what has just happened.  They don't *have* their
normal defenses against asinine comments on the net.

That's why, although under normal circumstances,  I would say "Don't feed
the trolls," but in  these cases, I think a strong show of support for
Charleen, and for any people in her position is in order-- just as we're
doing.   Charleen, purrs for you and your whole family.

Theresa, Stinky and Dante
Jo Firey - 23 Mar 2008 19:35 GMT
"Kreisleriana" <drtmuir@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>  They don't *have* their normal defenses against asinine comments on the
> net.
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> Charleen, and for any people in her position is in order-- just as we're
> doing.   Charleen, purrs for you and your whole family.

I think that's the main thing we need to try to do.

To avoid lashing out at the ones who are beneath contempt anyway.  They feed
on that kind of attention.

Instead to focus on our support for those who truly need it.

Jo
jmcquown - 23 Mar 2008 23:12 GMT
> "Kreisleriana" <drtmuir@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>  They don't *have* their normal defenses against asinine comments on
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> To avoid lashing out at the ones who are beneath contempt anyway. They
> feed on that kind of attention.

You really have to wonder about people who feed off the torment of others
and use it to stir up a bunch of crap.

Jill
tanadashoes - 23 Mar 2008 20:15 GMT
> I'm thinking of Charleen especially here, but others have been through the
> same thing, and I also speak from experience myself.
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> relationships with our cats, and indeed, the personality of the people or
> pets themselves.

Yowie, sorry to cut your post here, but I don't do well with over all
pictures.  Too ADHD, I suppose.  I read your post and am now going over my
own actions of the past month or two and am finding myself wanting.  I'm
sorry for being bossy, demanding, and second guessing everyone that I've
done that to.  I'm sorry for being crude, rude, and hateful.  While I didn't
tell Charleen that she handled Four wrong (She did the only thing she could
have in the situation) I didn't add as much visible support as I could have.
I'm sorry for that.  Charleen found herself in an unenviable position and
did better than most of us would have.  I wish I had done more to support
her.  Just as I could and can do more to support others who are stuck
between a rock and a hard place.

Pam S. hanging her head in shame
Lesley - 23 Mar 2008 21:00 GMT
.  I wish I had done more to support
> her.  Just as I could and can do more to support others who are stuck
> between a rock and a hard place.
>
> Pam S. hanging her head in shame

You got your own burdens Pam same as all of us so don't go beating
yourself up over it- THIS IS AN ORDER

Lesley

Slave of the Fabulous Furballs
Yowie - 23 Mar 2008 22:16 GMT
>> I'm thinking of Charleen especially here, but others have been
>> through the same thing, and I also speak from experience myself.
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> her.  Just as I could and can do more to support others who are stuck
> between a rock and a hard place.

Oh no you don't.

My post was exactly about this. You did your best juggling all the things
you have to juggle in your life. You cannot go back and make decisions with
the benefit of hindsight, no-one can. That is my point. You can only do the
best you can do *at the time* and thats it. Thinking back and berating
yourself with "I could have done better" is like kicking yourself when you
are already down. Don't do it, Pam. I know you too darn well to let you kick
yourself like that - I know damn well you *did* do your best in the last two
months and I wont have anyone - inlcuding you - say otherwise. Otherwise
I'll have to come over there and beat you about the head with a smoked
kipper till you call Uncle. So there.

Yowie
Granby - 23 Mar 2008 22:38 GMT
Yowie, I will never forget how you offered to come here and strut down my
street in leather and high heeled boots when the neighbors were giving me a
fit.  Lee and I still like that image.
>>> I'm thinking of Charleen especially here, but others have been
>>> through the same thing, and I also speak from experience myself.
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>
> Yowie
tanadashoes - 23 Mar 2008 23:52 GMT
> Oh no you don't.
>
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>
> Yowie

Is this a promise?  I'm not into kippers, but I know some Daves, Marks, Rob,
and the rest of the gang would want to put a video of that on YouTube.

Pam S laughing through the tears
Granby - 24 Mar 2008 00:20 GMT
Come on over yowie, we would like to meet you.

>> Oh no you don't.
>>
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>
> Pam S laughing through the tears
Kreisleriana - 24 Mar 2008 04:56 GMT
> Come on over yowie, we would like to meet you.
>>
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>>
>> Pam S laughing through the tears

My grandma once hit my grandfather with a snapper, but that was long before
YouTube. ;)

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Theresa, Stinky and Dante
drtmuirATearthlink.net

jmcquown - 24 Mar 2008 12:51 GMT
>> Come on over yowie, we would like to meet you.
>>>
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> My grandma once hit my grandfather with a snapper, but that was long
> before YouTube. ;)

And my grandmother hurled a (teacup) saucer at my grandfather :)

Jill
Granby - 24 Mar 2008 13:44 GMT
My grandmother fractured my grandfathers skull with an iron skillet.  They
had 10 boys and she had just found out they were making Moonshine up in the
woods!  She was not a happy camped.
>>> Come on over yowie, we would like to meet you.
>>>>
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>
> Jill
Kreisleriana - 24 Mar 2008 18:41 GMT
> My grandmother fractured my grandfathers skull with an iron skillet.  They
> had 10 boys and she had just found out they were making Moonshine up in
> the woods!  She was not a happy camped.

Wow.  Those were really the good old days, weren't they?

My grandpa met my grandma by dropping a water balloon on her head from a
tenement roof  (the one who eventually hit him with a snapper).    My
grandma was on her way to church in a brand new dress.  She looked up and
called him a stupid guinea son of a bitch.  Love bloomed. ;)

Theresa, Stinky and Dante
Lesley - 24 Mar 2008 19:22 GMT
> My grandpa met my grandma by dropping a water balloon on her head from a
> tenement roof  (the one who eventually hit him with a snapper).    My
> grandma was on her way to church in a brand new dress.  She looked up and
> called him a stupid guinea son of a bitch.  

How romantic! Nearly as bad as the woman who once made the mistake of
trying to get someone's attentiom by tapping them on the arm. After
several attempts she was getting mightily annoyed because the guy kept
ignoring her and was just about to let rip when the guy turned round
and said "No point in tapping that- it's made of plastic"

Yes it was me and that's how I met Dave

Lesley

Slave of the Fabulous Furballs
bastXXXette@sonic.net - 24 Mar 2008 22:21 GMT
> How romantic! Nearly as bad as the woman who once made the mistake of
> trying to get someone's attentiom by tapping them on the arm. After
> several attempts she was getting mightily annoyed because the guy kept
> ignoring her and was just about to let rip when the guy turned round
> and said "No point in tapping that- it's made of plastic"

> Yes it was me and that's how I met Dave

LOL!! And the rest is history...

Joyce
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Granby - 24 Mar 2008 20:55 GMT
I don't do the good old days too well.  I remember carrying coal for the
stove, Heating water in the yard for washing clothes and wood in for
cooking.  You can keep those days.  The I don wannas out number the good
stuff.

>> My grandmother fractured my grandfathers skull with an iron skillet.
>> They had 10 boys and she had just found out they were making Moonshine up
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>
> Theresa, Stinky and Dante
Matthew - 24 Mar 2008 21:57 GMT
Specially when you are the youngest and it is snowing outside and as for me
my older brother forcing me to do the chores

>I don't do the good old days too well.  I remember carrying coal for the
>stove, Heating water in the yard for washing clothes and wood in for
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>>
>> Theresa, Stinky and Dante
tanadashoes - 24 Mar 2008 23:35 GMT
> My grandmother fractured my grandfathers skull with an iron skillet.  They
> had 10 boys and she had just found out they were making Moonshine up in
> the woods!  She was not a happy camped.

I've been told that my paternal grandmother made my paternal grandfather
sleep in the barn from the day she found out that he impregnated her with
child number 13 until she died about ten years later.  Can't say that I
blame her much.

Pam S. who feels that three were enough to inflict on an unsuspecting world.
Matthew - 24 Mar 2008 19:30 GMT
>>> Come on over yowie, we would like to meet you.
>>>>
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>
> Jill

This is bad  my great grandmother on my mom's side  hurled a rolling pin at
me when I used a curse word when I was about 8 years old

My dad's grandmother  hurled meat cleavers and skillets that were on the
stove loaded with lard  when my dad pissed her off.  When she was mad you
ran for the hills

all this was decades ago  before even child protective services
Yowie - 24 Mar 2008 06:35 GMT
>> Oh no you don't.
>>
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> Marks, Rob, and the rest of the gang would want to put a video of
> that on YouTube.

I"ll save myself a trip and do it whilst dressed in leather & heels in
Granby's street :-)

Yowie
Sam - 25 Mar 2008 04:06 GMT
>> Is this a promise?  I'm not into kippers, but I know some Daves,
>> Marks, Rob, and the rest of the gang would want to put a video of
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>
> Yowie

Granby, do you have a videocam?  I'll take up a collection and buy you
one if you'll take the pix when Yowie comes over!

Sam, supervised by Mistletoe
tanadashoes - 25 Mar 2008 06:10 GMT
>>> Is this a promise?  I'm not into kippers, but I know some Daves,
>>> Marks, Rob, and the rest of the gang would want to put a video of
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>
> Sam, supervised by Mistletoe

Granby's vision is such that she might not even be able to properly see
Vicky when she comes over.  However, if we can take up a collection to send
Vicky tickets to the RPCA gathering next year, I bet we can get a lot of
cameras taking pictures of that.

Pam S.
Granby - 25 Mar 2008 12:38 GMT
Don't kid yourself, if she gets this far, there will be plenty of pictures.
Our TV station takes pictures of cats in threes still and all the family had
video cams.

>>>> Is this a promise?  I'm not into kippers, but I know some Daves,
>>>> Marks, Rob, and the rest of the gang would want to put a video of
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>
> Pam S.
Granby - 25 Mar 2008 12:45 GMT
That was cats stuck in TREES.
> Don't kid yourself, if she gets this far, there will be plenty of
> pictures. Our TV station takes pictures of cats in threes still and all
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>>
>> Pam S.
Yowie - 28 Mar 2008 05:41 GMT
>>>> Is this a promise?  I'm not into kippers, but I know some Daves,
>>>> Marks, Rob, and the rest of the gang would want to put a video of
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> send Vicky tickets to the RPCA gathering next year, I bet we can get a lot
> of cameras taking pictures of that.

Ok, here's an idea.

I need a website that will show me in high heels, leather & fishnets with a
kipper in my hand. The web page will be asking for sponsors to pay my way
(and Joel & Cary's way - and back) to the USA, to Granby's home town, so I
can formally smack Granby with the kipper, as I promsied. After that, I (and
Cary & Joel) will go to the RPCA convention in Orlando, where I will
formally 'Kipper' everyone who at the convention thats wnats to be kippered.
Any money raised above and beyond our travel costs will be donated to a cat
related charity (in Orlando Florida).

Other people of RPCA are welcome to join in the jun, In three-threes and the
precious Bowl. The Kippering will be the official closing ceremony. The RPCA
should also - hopefully - raise some money for a cat or at least animal
related charity. I will charge non RPCA people forthe priveledge of being
kippered.

The final Kippering ceremony - perhaps where we Kipper each other - should
be recorded and placed on YouTube for posterity.

Should attract at least some attention from the media. And yes, if there is
enough money raised, I will come over and kipper the lot of you, promise. If
its not enough to get us over there, then the money raised will just go to
said charity.

Anyone wanna help get Yowie the Kipperer (and family) over to Florida and
raise some money for a cat related charity? Any other daft ideas that might
get some media attention?

Yowie
(copyright Victoria Chapman, 28 March, 2008 just in case someone else tries
it first)
bastXXXette@sonic.net - 28 Mar 2008 07:22 GMT
> I need a website that will show me in high heels, leather & fishnets with a
> kipper in my hand. The web page will be asking for sponsors to pay my way
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> Any money raised above and beyond our travel costs will be donated to a cat
> related charity (in Orlando Florida).

Ahem... I seem to remember being promised a Kippering. :) And I believe
the trajectory of your trip will take you right over California on your way
to Florida.

(This is, of course, if I don't make it to the gathering, and it's entirely
possible that I will make it.)

Joyce
Yowie - 28 Mar 2008 07:51 GMT
>> I need a website that will show me in high heels, leather & fishnets
>> with a kipper in my hand. The web page will be asking for sponsors
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> (This is, of course, if I don't make it to the gathering, and it's
> entirely possible that I will make it.)

Yes, but a woman dressed up in high heels, leather & fishnets in California
isn't half as unusual as the same woman in Small Town USA where Granby is
:-)

However, my dear, if it was a kippering I promised you, then a kippering you
shall get!

Yowie
bastXXXette@sonic.net - 28 Mar 2008 08:09 GMT
>> Ahem... I seem to remember being promised a Kippering. :) And I
>> believe the trajectory of your trip will take you right over
>> California on your way to Florida.

> Yes, but a woman dressed up in high heels, leather & fishnets in California
> isn't half as unusual as the same woman in Small Town USA where Granby is
> :-)

Well, I certainly can't argue with that. Such an outfit is nearly a
uniform in some parts of San Francisco. :) I feel like a boring fuddy-
dud sometimes. :)

> However, my dear, if it was a kippering I promised you, then a kippering
> you shall get!

There's something very Monty Pythonish about being beaten with a fish...

Joyce

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Granby - 28 Mar 2008 10:25 GMT
Oh Lord, a thought.  The way stuff stays in cyberspace can you see the
Yowlet at about age 25 coming across this website?!! The one with the
picture.

> >> Ahem... I seem to remember being promised a Kippering. :) And I
> >> believe the trajectory of your trip will take you right over
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>
> Joyce
Stormmee - 28 Mar 2008 12:22 GMT
and he will say.... hey mom I thought you lived exciting,... too bad...
*turns away fro screen...*
> Oh Lord, a thought.  The way stuff stays in cyberspace can you see the
> Yowlet at about age 25 coming across this website?!! The one with the
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> > --
> > To send email to this address, remove the triple-X from my user name.
Granby - 28 Mar 2008 10:22 GMT
You get to the usa and we will just take a picture, have it enlarged the
size of the garage door and that will be enough for mny town!  Just walking
the street once, too many might miss it.  Putting up the poster would be
sure they all get a look see!

>>>>> Is this a promise?  I'm not into kippers, but I know some Daves,
>>>>> Marks, Rob, and the rest of the gang would want to put a video of
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> (copyright Victoria Chapman, 28 March, 2008 just in case someone else
> tries it first)
Kreisleriana - 24 Mar 2008 04:55 GMT
>>> I'm thinking of Charleen especially here, but others have been
>>> through the same thing, and I also speak from experience myself.
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>
> Yowie

Can we have the fishie when you're finished with it?

Stinky and Dante
drtmuirATearthlink.net
Charleen Welton - 24 Mar 2008 14:42 GMT
And Pam I'd be right there helping her and then give you a big hug.
Love, lots of love,
Charleen

>>> I'm thinking of Charleen especially here, but others have been
>>> through the same thing, and I also speak from experience myself.
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>
> Yowie
Lesley - 24 Mar 2008 16:39 GMT
Otherwise
> I'll have to come over there and beat you about the head with a smoked
> kipper till you call Uncle. So there.

A halibut makes a much better weapon (sorry I was in a roleplaying
game once and my PC grabbed the nearest thing to hand, which happened
to be a halibut and I rolled 3 critical successes on the trot whilst
using it! The mere word "halibut" can still cause some people who were
in the game to laugh)

Lesley

Slave of the Fabulous Furballs
Yowie - 24 Mar 2008 21:31 GMT
>  Otherwise
>> I'll have to come over there and beat you about the head with a
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> using it! The mere word "halibut" can still cause some people who were
> in the game to laugh)

My claim to fame, gaming wise, was that as a High ELf hunter (or some such)
I could use magic, but only for making thing slike food, water, clothes etc
etc. We ended up surrounded on a small hill with no ammo and no weapons.
Until, that is, my character thought about making lemon meringue pies :-)

Yowie
Lesley - 24 Mar 2008 21:37 GMT
> My claim to fame, gaming wise, was that as a High ELf hunter (or some such)
> I could use magic, but only for making thing slike food, water, clothes etc
> etc. We ended up surrounded on a small hill with no ammo and no weapons.
> Until, that is, my character thought about making lemon meringue pies :-)

I can see it! Almost as bad as the CoC game I played at a convention
where we faced off against minions of the unspeakable evil with
nothing more than a large supply of fruit but as someone said "It's
okay we've got lots of hard fruit"

You get these odd comments in RPG's don't you? Last December at
another convention during a game of "Paranoia" we had this little
beauty!

"We need an engineer! Do we have an engineer?!"

"Yes and you're shooting at him!"

Lesley

Slave of the Fabulous Furballs
Matthew - 24 Mar 2008 22:08 GMT
On Mar 24, 1:31 pm, "Yowie" <yowie9644.DIESPAM...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:

> My claim to fame, gaming wise, was that as a High ELf hunter (or some
> such)
> I could use magic, but only for making thing slike food, water, clothes
> etc
> etc. We ended up surrounded on a small hill with no ammo and no weapons.
> Until, that is, my character thought about making lemon meringue pies :-)

I can see it! Almost as bad as the CoC game I played at a convention
where we faced off against minions of the unspeakable evil with
nothing more than a large supply of fruit but as someone said "It's
okay we've got lots of hard fruit"

You get these odd comments in RPG's don't you? Last December at
another convention during a game of "Paranoia" we had this little
beauty!

"We need an engineer! Do we have an engineer?!"

"Yes and you're shooting at him!"

Lesley

Slave of the Fabulous Furballs

GOD  Gary Gaxx  would be proud ;-)

I remember hosting a D&D game at the convention in Orlando years ago. This
game had been going on for hours and I was getting tired.  I had a older man
playing a fighter getting his butt kicked by some younger guys playing orcs.
He had a wand of wonder and at that times the rules had a roll of dm choice
in them.  Well my choice was that he could choose something that he saw
today and hit the players with it. I thought get this game more interesting
or hurry it over. He looked at me got up from the table went to the food
court.  Of course we were thinking he gave up  he came back to the table
behind the other players and smacked them in the face with lemon meringue
pies.  The whole place busted up laughing rolling on the floor.  I asked him
why between laughing so hard.  He said, I told him he could smack the
players with what he saw today and he did.
Lesley - 24 Mar 2008 22:14 GMT
 Of course we were thinking he gave up  he came back to the table
> behind the other players and smacked them in the face with lemon meringue
> pies.  The whole place busted up laughing rolling on the floor.  I asked him
> why between laughing so hard.  He said, I told him he could smack the
> players with what he saw today and he did.

LOL!!!!!

I love the funny things players say- in my "Vwmpire" chronicle
recently the challenge to the parties necromancer was "Yes! But are
you any good at talking to them AFTER they've exploded"
And Jericho's last words as his player prepared to attempt to blow up
a hotel "When  I get my next load of exp I'm getting my first dot in
demolitions"

My only comment after the dice and dust had settled "Jericho- you
always said you wanted to go down in a blaze of glory...well you went
up in a blaze"

Lesley

Slave of the Fabulous Furballs
Matthew - 24 Mar 2008 22:21 GMT
On Mar 24, 2:08 pm, "Matthew" <Iamacatsl...@proudtoserve.com> wrote:

Of course we were thinking he gave up he came back to the table
> behind the other players and smacked them in the face with lemon meringue
> pies. The whole place busted up laughing rolling on the floor. I asked him
> why between laughing so hard. He said, I told him he could smack the
> players with what he saw today and he did.

LOL!!!!!

I love the funny things players say- in my "Vwmpire" chronicle
recently the challenge to the parties necromancer was "Yes! But are
you any good at talking to them AFTER they've exploded"
And Jericho's last words as his player prepared to attempt to blow up
a hotel "When  I get my next load of exp I'm getting my first dot in
demolitions"

My only comment after the dice and dust had settled "Jericho- you
always said you wanted to go down in a blaze of glory...well you went
up in a blaze"

Lesley

Slave of the Fabulous Furballs

LOL

never could get into the Vampire or werewolf masquerade but never really
tried
Lesley - 24 Mar 2008 22:30 GMT
> never could get into the Vampire or werewolf masquerade but never really
> tried

Obviously- Vampire is the one with the Masquerade not Werewolf that's
the one with the Apocalypse

Like any game it has it's fans I was introduced to it by such a
fantastic storyteller (DM) that I've loved it ever since and run my
own chronicle for the last coming up for 10 years but I have been in
some games where you think "Did this ref read the game before he even
started?!" or worse still didn't think through things like the ADnD
game where I had a PC geased to always attack chromatic dragons/ DM
then describes a scene where we see a large group of them sitting on
top of a tower and I said I would run up and fight them. He told me
not to be silly I'd get killed and I said I was compelled to attack
and so I would. He fudged it by having about 20 chromatic dragons
mostly reds fly off like scared chickens when I ran at them...Don't
need to tell you how bad that looked

Lesley

Slave of the Fabulous Furballs
Matthew - 24 Mar 2008 23:10 GMT
On Mar 24, 2:21 pm, "Matthew" <Iamacatsl...@proudtoserve.com> wrote:

> never could get into the Vampire or werewolf masquerade but never really
> tried

Obviously- Vampire is the one with the Masquerade not Werewolf that's
the one with the Apocalypse

Like any game it has it's fans I was introduced to it by such a
fantastic storyteller (DM) that I've loved it ever since and run my
own chronicle for the last coming up for 10 years but I have been in
some games where you think "Did this ref read the game before he even
started?!" or worse still didn't think through things like the ADnD
game where I had a PC geased to always attack chromatic dragons/ DM
then describes a scene where we see a large group of them sitting on
top of a tower and I said I would run up and fight them. He told me
not to be silly I'd get killed and I said I was compelled to attack
and so I would. He fudged it by having about 20 chromatic dragons
mostly reds fly off like scared chickens when I ran at them...Don't
need to tell you how bad that looked

Lesley

Slave of the Fabulous Furballs

Yeah went thru many of DM  that did not know how to DM just Play.  I am a
great story teller.  When I DM I  am very detailed in what happens.  I tell
my players that if you do something describe it  don't tell me I swing the
sword at orc.  I still have games that I DM from years ago before 3.5 rules
took effect.  You know those 3 inch binders  a game would take 3 or 4 of
those filled with events to happen.  I would get one of those wall poster
size blank papers and draw my maps on.  They were about 5 foot wide and 5
foot high and I made them as detailed as I possible could.  It took me
months to prepare for a game and it could last months in play.  When
computer laptops came about  it made my job so much easier than flash drives
it was a walk in the park.  But it did get costly having stuff printed up
tanadashoes - 25 Mar 2008 00:04 GMT
> Yeah went thru many of DM  that did not know how to DM just Play.  I am a
> great story teller.  When I DM I  am very detailed in what happens.  I
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> than flash drives it was a walk in the park.  But it did get costly having
> stuff printed up

I'm told that I'm a pretty fair, if unorthodox DM.  My campaigns either take
a ton of work or are so off the cuff it isn't funny.  I got thinking about
planning campaigns after reading this.  I once had a campaign so planned out
it wasn't funny.  The party blew through the campaign and went off the map
without encountering any of my hard work.  I had to come up with a bunch of
stuff off the cuff.  It makes me think seriously of using a power point
presentation except that would make me (the DM) gag.

Pam S.
Yowie - 25 Mar 2008 08:00 GMT
>> Yeah went thru many of DM  that did not know how to DM just Play.  I
>> am a great story teller.  When I DM I  am very detailed in what
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> me think seriously of using a power point presentation except that
> would make me (the DM) gag.

Reminds me of a con' Joel & I went to years ago. Our group had been playing
together for *years* and knew each other pretty well outside of gaming as
well. We tended toward playing things like 'Cthulu' where our shared sick
sense of humour could be fully expressed. We'd signed up as a group to play
various games, and this particular day we had come back from lunch at the
local brewery a little late. As we walked into the room, we encountered
nothing more than a pimply kid (to us, who were all around 30) still reading
up on the rule book. Apprantly he was to DM us. The poor poor kid, we
sholdn't have done it to him, it wasn't fair. But we were tipsy and had too
much *good* roleplaying under our belt.

He started us off ... "as you walk along the road, you encounter two people,
crying. What do you do". The leader of the group - an evil rogue - decided
instead of helping htem as the Plot Device suggested, to mug them and then
kill them. Being an evil rogue, this was perfectly in character, and so the
rest of us, seeing this as something humerous to do, of course went along
with it. The DM, not giving up, then presented us with a 'long narrow path,
that leads off the main road mysteriously'. Sod that, *everyone* knows not
to go up suddenly appearing mysterious tracks. Do paths *usualy*
'mysteriously appear' out of no-where in this town? Where's Sculder and
Mully?

After an hour of running totally amok in his carefully constructed town, and
ignoring or totally misconstruing every plot device he could possibly throw
at us to get us to actually do the adventure he had written, he left the
room with his lower lip wobbling and didn't come back.

I think we broke him.

We had a great time up until that point, though.

This is why *playtesting* is so important for games that are going to be run
at conventions. *Your* gaming group may play one way, but unlss youcan cope
with a group of people who have a totally diferent gaming style, you may not
survive....

Yowie
Jo Firey - 25 Mar 2008 00:07 GMT
On Mar 23, 2:16 pm, "Yowie" <yowie9644.DIESPAM...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:

Otherwise
> I'll have to come over there and beat you about the head with a smoked
> kipper till you call Uncle. So there.

A halibut makes a much better weapon (sorry I was in a roleplaying
game once and my PC grabbed the nearest thing to hand, which happened
to be a halibut and I rolled 3 critical successes on the trot whilst
using it! The mere word "halibut" can still cause some people who were
in the game to laugh)

Lesley

Some words are just funnier than others.  IRL a halibut would normally be
far too large to pick up and throw.

Now this isn't a complaint, just an observation from a non gamer.  Maybe you
should change the subject of the thread?

(I usually read the game threads with amusement as I have no idea whatsoever
anyone is talking about)
Jo
Granby - 25 Mar 2008 00:41 GMT
You and me both.  Never heard of half the things people talk about here but,
learn a bit as I go.

> On Mar 23, 2:16 pm, "Yowie" <yowie9644.DIESPAM...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
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> whatsoever anyone is talking about)
> Jo
polonca12000 - 29 Mar 2008 23:16 GMT
> Yowie, sorry to cut your post here, but I don't do well with over all
> pictures.  Too ADHD, I suppose.  I read your post and am now going over my
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>
> Pam S. hanging her head in shame

What you wrote about yourself is so *not* true, Pam. And both you and
Charleen need lots of support.
We think of you Pam and your family often and we send lots and lots of
purrs and gentle hugs,
Polonca and Soncek
Granby - 30 Mar 2008 01:44 GMT
Pam, I can show you that I can be all of those things if you don't stop this
right now.  Bossy Gramby!!!
>> Yowie, sorry to cut your post here, but I don't do well with over all
>> pictures.  Too ADHD, I suppose.  I read your post and am now going over
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> purrs and gentle hugs,
> Polonca and Soncek
tanadashoes - 30 Mar 2008 03:06 GMT
> Pam, I can show you that I can be all of those things if you don't stop
> this right now.  Bossy Gramby!!!

Guilt taken care of.  However, I'm willing to come over to visit (as long as
I can bring Rob too) so that you can boss us both around and we can drive
you to where ever you need to go.

Pam S.
Granby - 30 Mar 2008 04:02 GMT
Hey, the door is always open and a ramp can be built with pallets from the
factory across the street.  O am pretty good at that but can get all the
help from family we need to do it. Lee doesn't live that far away about 2
hours or so.

>> Pam, I can show you that I can be all of those things if you don't stop
>> this right now.  Bossy Gramby!!!
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>
> Pam S.
tanadashoes - 30 Mar 2008 04:38 GMT
> Hey, the door is always open and a ramp can be built with pallets from the
> factory across the street.  O am pretty good at that but can get all the
> help from family we need to do it. Lee doesn't live that far away about 2
> hours or so.

It works for me.  I'll have to add it to our trip to Ft Campbell, Kentucky
in May/June.  Jim and Mandy will probably be with us,  If you have a yard,
they'll have a tent and can live in it,or they can  join us at a hotel.  Rob
doesn't need a chair right now, though it is only a matter of time.  We can
work this out.

Pam S.
Granby - 30 Mar 2008 12:04 GMT
Got an acre yard!  Glad to hear he is mobile, I am sure that helps so very
much.  Just let me know.

>> Hey, the door is always open and a ramp can be built with pallets from
>> the factory across the street.  O am pretty good at that but can get all
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>
> Pam S.
tanadashoes - 30 Mar 2008 20:54 GMT
> Got an acre yard!  Glad to hear he is mobile, I am sure that helps so very
> much.  Just let me know.

Dates keep getting changed, but we're talking about the beginning of June
now.  I still have to talk to my sister at Ft Campbell and see if we can get
together as well.

Pam S
Granby - 30 Mar 2008 21:44 GMT
Look up Terre Haute Indiana and you aren't far from me.

>> Got an acre yard!  Glad to hear he is mobile, I am sure that helps so
>> very much.  Just let me know.
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>
> Pam S
tanadashoes - 30 Mar 2008 22:16 GMT
> Look up Terre Haute Indiana and you aren't far from me.

Kewl Beans!!!  We've been to Terre Haute before to do a meet and greet with
one of Rob's uncles who thought he was a spy for the CIA.

Pam S.
Sam - 24 Mar 2008 01:46 GMT
> I'm thinking of Charleen especially here, but others have been through the
> same thing, and I also speak from experience myself.
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>
> Yowie
As usual, you've done an excellent job of expressing the opinion of
many, if not most of those here.  Thank you.

Sam, supervised by Mistletoe
felinesopher - 24 Mar 2008 18:13 GMT
waw, you describe it so purrfectly for the things I'm having
difficulty to say just the way it is....your great post here do
reminds me, my memoar with family & my cats-just like a flash back.
thx furr clearing up my cloudy wondering mind, and make things pointed
out in clarity.

-eri-

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