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Granby - 19 Mar 2008 03:16 GMT
Went to a Messianic Passover
Haggadah (Sedar (?) Supper). at a church of some friends.  You always hear
Jewish Mothers are good cooks, if the food I had tonight was any cause for
judgment, they are wonderful cooks.  Was very interesting.
Stormmee - 19 Mar 2008 08:30 GMT
I want a phone report please, Lee
> Went to a Messianic Passover
> Haggadah (Sedar (?) Supper). at a church of some friends.  You always hear
> Jewish Mothers are good cooks, if the food I had tonight was any cause for
> judgment, they are wonderful cooks.  Was very interesting.
Kyla  =^..^= - 19 Mar 2008 19:51 GMT
My now deceased MIL was of Jewish heritage and taught him how to cook kasha,
chicken soup with matzo balls, that is like Jewish penicillin, and a couple
of other Jewish dishes.
Kasha is really good and so is the chicken soup:)
Hug
Kyla
"Stormmee"
>I want a phone report please, Lee
> Granby
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>> for
>> judgment, they are wonderful cooks.  Was very interesting.
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 20 Mar 2008 22:22 GMT
> Went to a Messianic Passover
> Haggadah (Sedar (?) Supper). at a church of some friends.  You always hear
> Jewish Mothers are good cooks, if the food I had tonight was any cause for
> judgment, they are wonderful cooks.  Was very interesting.

I thought Passover wasn't until April this year!  (That's what it says
on MY calendar:  "April 19 - Passover begins at sundown".)
bastXXXette@sonic.net - 21 Mar 2008 02:45 GMT
> Went to a Messianic Passover
> Haggadah (Sedar (?) Supper). at a church of some friends.  You always hear
> Jewish Mothers are good cooks, if the food I had tonight was any cause for
> judgment, they are wonderful cooks.  Was very interesting.

?? Passover is next month - starts in mid-April. I guess this church is
celebrating it a bit differently?

Also, the Seder is the dinner itself, and the Haggadah is the book that
you use to conduct the seder. It has the whole story of the exodus from
Egypt, plus all the blessings and other ritual activities that one does,
in a particular order, which makes this dinner different from all other
dinners. :) (That's a joke, because one of the important questions that
gets asked in the haggadah is "Why is this night different from all other
nights?" which prompts the telling of the story. Yes, seders can be very
very LONG!)

What made yours messianic? Was the idea that the messiah has already
come (ie Jesus)?

Joyce
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EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 21 Mar 2008 03:48 GMT
>  > Went to a Messianic Passover
>  > Haggadah (Sedar (?) Supper). at a church of some friends.  You always hear
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> What made yours messianic? Was the idea that the messiah has already
> come (ie Jesus)?

After I read Granby's post, I remembered that one of the Episcopal
churches I sang for used to have an imitation seder on Maundy Thursday,
every year.  Most of the food served at the ones I attended was not
exactly traditional Jewish (except for matzoh instead of leavened
bread).  And of course it ended with an "informal" communion service (at
the point where Christ supposedly distributed the bread and wine to his
disciples).  Many people found it a meaningful ceremony, acknowledging
Christianity's roots in Judaism, but I think a traditional seder is
quite different.  (I can't say at first hand, because although I've had
many Jewish friends, I was never lucky enough to be invited to a family
Passover observation.)
bastXXXette@sonic.net - 21 Mar 2008 03:57 GMT
> After I read Granby's post, I remembered that one of the Episcopal
> churches I sang for used to have an imitation seder on Maundy Thursday,
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> the point where Christ supposedly distributed the bread and wine to his
> disciples).

Oh, I get it. The Last Supper. Is that what Maundy Thursday is about?
I'm not familiar with that holiday.

> I think a traditional seder is
> quite different.  (I can't say at first hand, because although I've had
> many Jewish friends, I was never lucky enough to be invited to a family
> Passover observation.)

That's too bad! It's very traditional to invite non-Jewish friends to
participate. It probably has more to do with a kind of insularity people
have about family. My family's on the opposite coast, so I do Passover
with friends. Friendship groups tend to be a lot more open than family
groups, IME.

Joyce

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Granby - 21 Mar 2008 04:42 GMT
Our food was  traditional and the recipes were in the book we were able to
buy.

> > After I read Granby's post, I remembered that one of the Episcopal
> > churches I sang for used to have an imitation seder on Maundy Thursday,
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>
> Joyce
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 21 Mar 2008 23:30 GMT
> Our food was  traditional and the recipes were in the book we were able to
> buy.

Sounds like yours was a bit more authentic than ours were - I think we
used SOME of the Jewish ritual, but of course the emphasis was on the
"Last Supper" aspect.  I'm not clear on what a "Messianic" Jew is. (Only
"brands" I know are "Orthodox", "Conservative" and "Reformed".)  There's
an organization that calls itself "Jews for Jesus" - was your mentor
from something like that - Jews who make a big point of being converts
to Christianity?
Granby - 21 Mar 2008 04:39 GMT
Ok, as usual I was as clear as mud on this.  I just copied the name off the
book.  The man presenting the program  was a Messianic Jewish person.  One
who believes that Jesus has already come.  He goes around to churches to try
and give people a feel of what his faith believes.  It was not the four hour
long meal, was only about 2 hours.  He read the prayers in Hebrew they we
repeated them in English.  He explained the 4 cups and so on.  We picked a
Mother and Father at each table and they did the lighting of the candles and
clearing away the last of the leven (?).  There were some little kids there
so they hid the dessert and they had to go looking for it.  Was interesting
to me anyway.

> > Went to a Messianic Passover
> > Haggadah (Sedar (?) Supper). at a church of some friends.  You always
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>
> Joyce
 
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