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What, if anything, are you doing to combat the comercialism of the season?  OT, but WTH

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Tanada - 24 Nov 2004 03:26 GMT
Sherry's post about the commercialism of the holidays got me thinking.
Some years money is really tight and we don't have a choice but to keep
the season simple.  Other years we have plenty of money and the hard
thing is not to go overboard with giving.  Last year was a tight year
and I just handed each person $20, took them to the dollar store, and
said, "bring in Christmas."  I don't remember much of it, as I had that
really bad flu that was going around, but everyone said they enjoyed
themselves.

But what about this year, when we will have some extra money after
re-financing the house, and the temptation to put the dollars where the
heart is will be there?  I talked it over with Rob, and we're talking
about handing each person $140 and saying bring it on in.  That is $20
per person we're buying for, including the pets.  We might buy a couple
of movies or a family present, but that depends on how much money we get
back from the escrow, and how much we put on the bills.

We're also going to cut down on the baked goodies, and the hype.  Our
biggest event will be to drive around the neighborhood scoping out the
lights.  We'll watch movies and relax.

Our most cherished New Years Eve tradition is to rent a bunch of movies,
order a pizza, and watch them all.  We pause at Midnight to pound pan
lids together or set off a few fireworks, but that's it.

So, what are you doing to lessen the commercialism of the season?  What
are your most cherished traditions of the season?

Pam S.
Cheryl - 24 Nov 2004 03:34 GMT
> So, what are you doing to lessen the commercialism of the
> season?  What are your most cherished traditions of the season?

My mother has emphatically told us (kids) that this year, we are not
to buy her or my dad presents for Christmas. They want us to take
that money and spend it on a needy family that they were "given" and
buy them things that they need. A daughter of good friends of theirs
volunteers for a group that tries to provide the necessities of life
to families that they find out about. One family is assigned to any
who want to help them. After reading your post (I haven't caught up
yet, so I haven't seen the thread with Sherry's post that you're
referring to) that I'm going to tell my mom that I don't want
presents, either, and that whatever they would spend on me should go
to the "family".

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Yowie - 24 Nov 2004 03:50 GMT
> So, what are you doing to lessen the commercialism of the season?  What
> are your most cherished traditions of the season?

Now that my parents have two grandchildren to think about, we are going to
stop the madness and concentrate on the people who enkoy Christmas - the
kids. If you ask any of us adults we all just grown and secretly admit we
don't enjoy the season at all - its just one big horrible hassle, fighting
people inthe shops, worrying about what to get and making sure every body
get sthe same value, and don't even *start* me on my ungrateful self centred
rude obnoxious selfish in-laws (oh, wait, I started anyway) that we have to
deal with.

So, for my relatives at least (Joel won't be talked out of spending far too
much on his, he's trying to compensate because their mother passed away and
a father (or stepfather in Joel's case) doesn't give a fig about his
children) each couple is going to buy 1, just one, $20 gift for each of the
two other couples in the family, and concentrate on Cary and his cousin,
Sarah. Of course, that still means I have to figure out what to get Sarah,
who, much like Cary, will be far more interested in the ribbons and wrapping
paper than whatever is on the inside, but at least we won't go nuts this
year.

As to Joel's family, I'm trying very hard to adopt the Christmas spirit with
them and be thankful that I have enough that we can give them something,
despite the fact that they couldn't be bothered to give anything - and I'm
not just talking about material things - in return.

Yowie
Margaret Fine - 24 Nov 2004 18:42 GMT
>>So, what are you doing to lessen the commercialism of the season?  What
>>are your most cherished traditions of the season?
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> paper than whatever is on the inside, but at least we won't go nuts this
> year.

When my youngest niece was a little older than Cary one of my brothers
couldn't be with us for the holidays so he sent gifts for the kids in a
big shipping box.  The box arrived Christmas Eve just as my family was
gathering.  My other brother opened the box to show my niece the
beautifully wrapped packages inside but she cried.  My brother didn't
have a clue as to why she was crying so he kept showing her the
packages.  Finally my Dad said just put her down.  She crawled over to
the box, got inside and spent the rest of the evening in the box playing
with the packing peanuts.  Never did open a gift that night.  My Dad in
all of his wisdom (raised 4 kids) knew what she wanted!  That has to be
one of my fondest Christmas memories.  I had never seen anyone so happy
as she was playing in that box.  It is also something I keep in mind
ever year. Sometimes the simplest things are the best presents and we
started doing things like taking my nieces to a movie and out to lunch
as part of our gift to them along with some small wrapped gifts.  My one
niece is now 13 and she told us that she doesn't always remember what we
get her year to year but she sure remembers the TIME we've always spent
with them.

> As to Joel's family, I'm trying very hard to adopt the Christmas spirit with
> them and be thankful that I have enough that we can give them something,
> despite the fact that they couldn't be bothered to give anything - and I'm
> not just talking about material things - in return.
>
> Yowie

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badwilson - 24 Nov 2004 04:16 GMT
Dennis and I have never really been into the whole gift thing.  Sounds
unromantic, but we'd just prefer to buy something for ourselves,
together.  For xmas, we'd much rather get together with friends and
family and bring a nice dish of food, or dessert, or some wine and
have a good time talking.
My parents long ago told me to stop giving them gifts, and they don't
get me anything either.  It's so great, I love it this way.  No
hassles, no pressure.  I can enjoy the season.  I mean, we do bring
them souvenirs from Thailand when we go home.  But we don't send xmas
presents or birthday presents.  And we wouldn't be buying presents if
we still lived there.  It's just too commercial and you never end up
with what you wanted anyway.
--
Britta
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> Sherry's post about the commercialism of the holidays got me thinking.
> Some years money is really tight and we don't have a choice but to keep
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>
> Pam S.
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 24 Nov 2004 08:10 GMT
> My parents long ago told me to stop giving them gifts, and they don't
> get me anything either.  It's so great, I love it this way.  No
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> we still lived there.  It's just too commercial and you never end up
> with what you wanted anyway.

That's great. I agree, I find the commercialism so invasive - it's
everywhere! My family celebrates Christmas and they all get together
and exchange gifts. Fortunately for me, I live 3000 miles away from
them so I don't have to deal with it. Yes, we're Jewish, but it's
not uncommon for American Jews to do something on Christmas. As for
me, I stopped celebrating it quite a few years ago.

A few years ago my mother and I started donating to each other's
favorite charitable organizations (usually animal shelters) as an Xmas
gift, but at this point, I can't even afford to do that. So I'm just
telling them to please not send me any gifts, and please don't expect
anything from me. As you say, it's just more *stuff* that nobody needs.

Joyce
Jeanette - 24 Nov 2004 10:09 GMT
> So, what are you doing to lessen the commercialism of the season?  What
> are your most cherished traditions of the season?
>
> Pam S.

I love making the nut roast on Christmas morning with Ade, working together
whilst we listen to the carol service on the local radio station. Neither of
us are Christians, but there's something wonderfully nostalgic about singing
along to those old songs.

Jeanette
Cheryl Perkins - 24 Nov 2004 12:09 GMT
> So, what are you doing to lessen the commercialism of the season?  What
> are your most cherished traditions of the season?

I grew up in a family in which Christmas traditions were very important,
but not very expensive. As children, we would each get one gift from our
parents, and although it would be something a bit big and special, we
would never get anything really faddy or outrageously expensive. And
although we got and gave a lot of gifts overall, each individual one was
usually small. So I never had a very commericalized view of Christmas,
although I did have a lot of 'must do' things that I thought were
essential parts of the holidays. When I left home, I radically changed my
Christmasses so as to eliminate the 'must do' activities I found so
stressful. I could essentially do what I wanted, because my family is very
scattered geographically, and the grandparents who were in the same
province, and whom I spent Christmas Day with after my own parents moved
away, died. So: I still keep up the tradition of buying small gifts for
immediate family and a few extremely close friends. Since none of my
family live in the same town, I try to get all the family stuff in the
mail by, well, about now. I usually try to have the friends' gifts and two
family birthday gifts (for January) decided on and/or bought around now.
Then I stay away from the stores, particularly the ones in the malls.
There is nothing that puts me in an un-holiday mood faster than a trip to
an overcrowded mall. Next, I do nothing until the week before Christmas. I
avoid almost all office partys and such. I may or may not decorate much at
Christmas; I leave it until very close to the day, and then decide what I
want to do. I go to church, of course, and I go a lot more often than most
because I'm in a couple choirs, and Christmas is a busy time. And on the
day itself, I usually go to Christmas dinner with friends, although one
year I also helped out with a free dinner offered at my church - I may not
this year, it didn't look like I could fit it in. I phone my mother and
my sisters and brother. They phone me. We do the same at New Year's. I
keep my decorations (if I put them up) up for the full 12 days, and
finish off the season with a church service and one Christmas party I
don't miss, a potluck for one of the choirs I am in, which is always held
after Christmas and New Years. In recent years, the religious aspect has
regained its importance for me - I notice that just outlining my
celebrations, that comes up.

What I have done over the years is simply take away all the bits of
Christmas that aren't essential and that I find too stressful. There are
so many places to go, parties to attend, things to buy, it's very easy to
get overwhelmed and to spend more than you can afford. I'm lucky in that I
was not raised to expect to get or give really expensive gifts. And my
present workplace is fairly low-key as well. Even so, I could, if I
wanted, go to quite a series of breakfasts, lunches, and parties
ranging from those for my immediate workgroup to those for the entire
institution. But I don't, I only go to ones involving people I work
with directly. One place I worked, we voted to donate a fixed sum each
($5-10, I think) to a local children's charity instead of doing a gift
exchange or secret santa. I much prefer that because it saves on the
hassle of extra shopping, and it gives to people who really need it, not
people who are employed and really don't need  whatever little doodad you
can buy for the price limit that was agreed to.

I enjoy Christmas a lot more since I stopped trying to create the
"perfect" one, with "perfect" defined by some fantasy informed by ads,
decorations and music starting in November!

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Marina - 24 Nov 2004 14:30 GMT
> So, what are you doing to lessen the commercialism of the season?  What
> are your most cherished traditions of the season?

My family's yules are pretty quiet affairs, now that all the kids are
pretty grown-up (my youngest niece is 15, my other niece 22 and nephew
21). On the Eve, we gather at my sister's for a big meal, everyone
bringing their own contributions. I've always given books for presents
(maybe that makes me the boring auntie...), not very expensive, but I
usually give them a lot of thought and try to really find something that
the presentee will like. We're not Christians, so we don't go in for any
of the church stuff, but since it's time off from work, we take the
opportunity to be with the family.

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Enfilade - 24 Nov 2004 21:47 GMT
I hand-make most of my Solstice gifts.  Last year it was handmade
beeswax candles; this year it's homemade fridge magnets with glitter;
the year before last was miniature wreathes decked with ribbon and
tiny ornaments.  Next year I'm considering homemade bath salts for the
ladies and possibly incense for the men.  Not only are these items
inexpensive, they're also fun to make!  And easier to do en masse:  I
make until the raw materials run out, and once I've used them all up,
have plenty to share.  (I also do the actual making in the summertime,
so that by the time the holiday season arrives, everything's wrapped
and done with.)

Instead of buying cards, I have received so many cards for free from
the charities my parents and I donate to, that I simply use those.  I
re-use gift bags and boxes for packaging.

As students, there are still things that we really do need, such as a
new comforter (ours is ripped) and new towels (ours are getting
threadbare) and new boots (mine are ten years old, and leak)...so we
do accept presents, though we give out lists early to help get things
we really need/want.

--Fil
Sherry - 24 Nov 2004 14:47 GMT
>So, what are you doing to lessen the commercialism of the season?  What
>are your most cherished traditions of the season?
>
>Pam S.

Gad. I don't know what to do and I'm already in a state of controlled panic,
just like every year. I'm really sick of that and it's got to stop. I enjoy
getting the decorations out and the tree.But the shopping, forget it. It's
already a nightmare out there, and I get the feeling sometimes it doesn't mean
anything--we're just all puppets on the ends of the consumer marketing industry
strings. We're constantly bombarded from every direction.
It's time for me to quit worrying about my kids being disappoint if I don't
find the *exact right gift*. For God's sakes, they are 22 and 27.
Part of it is that since I quit working I have turned into practically a
recluse and I am starting to get almost phobic about crowds. The other part is
we absolutely do not have the extra cash this year.
But I digress... to answer your question, I've always found the really little
things I enjoy at Christmas. Even in this little town, there is a holiday
school band concert, the elementary school does a children's play/chorale. The
local piano teacher holds a Christmas recital for her students. I like to drive
around and look at lights. Our little country church does a Christmas music
service. And the cards! I am already getting *beautiful* cards from rpca and
that's going to be one of my favorite Christmas things, too.
Sherry
SUQKRT - 27 Nov 2004 20:32 GMT
>.But the shopping, forget it. It's
>already a nightmare out there, and I get the feeling sometimes it doesn't
>mean
>anything--we're just all puppets on the ends of the consumer marketing
>industry
>strings. We're constantly bombarded fro

I find out what people collect and the buy it on ebay. I love finding unique
things. The effort of finding something for that specific person matters more
than price. Usually ebay cost less which is a good thing on my budget. I love
giving gifts. Guess I'm shallow.
Suz
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Cheryl Perkins - 27 Nov 2004 21:32 GMT
> I find out what people collect and the buy it on ebay. I love finding unique
> things. The effort of finding something for that specific person matters more
> than price. Usually ebay cost less which is a good thing on my budget. I love
> giving gifts. Guess I'm shallow.
> Suz
>  Macmoosette

I think there's a difference between buying a few gifts for people close
to you, within your budget, and feeling obligated to get the absolutely
perfect gift for everyone from your ex-spouse's second cousin to the bag
boy at the supermarket plus every single item each of your children assure
you every other child they know is going to get whether you can afford it
or not. The second will drive you absolutely crazy, and yet a lot of
people do it. One year, anyway.

I think also that gifts, being rather closely related to money, tend to
trigger a lot of bad memories and uneasiness. People don't usually like to
receive overly expensive gifts (because it may create an obligation) or
cheap ones (it may feel like the giver is not valuing them) or to have the
exchange out of wack - your return gift is much smaller or larger in value
than the one you receive, or worse, someone you didn't have a gift for
gives you an expensive one.

There's a lot of stress in gift giving, as well as a lot of perfectly
innocent pleasure if you get it right. But trying to do it "right" on a
scale you can't afford for people you hardly know - that's just heading
for trouble.

I sent off my last two out-of-town parcels today, crossing my fingers that
they'll arrive in time.

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Cheryl, feeling quite satisfied with her gift-giving efforts today.

jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 28 Nov 2004 00:56 GMT
SUQKRT <suqkrt@aol.comneener> wrote:

> I love giving gifts. Guess I'm shallow.

Geesh, there's nothing shallow about loving to give gifts!! It's a
wonderful trait, you should value it.

I just hate it when people feel obligated to buy, buy, buy because
they think their worth depends on it, or because they don't want to
get sh*t from this parent or that child or whomever likes to complain
about such things.

But if it gives you pleasure to do it, then that's what it's supposed
to be about, so enjoy!

Joyce
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 28 Nov 2004 01:16 GMT
> I think also that gifts, being rather closely related to money, tend to
> trigger a lot of bad memories and uneasiness.

Yes, there's that whole class thing, feeling inferior if you can't
afford to buy something as fancy as someone else. Or if you can afford
it but don't do so, then feeling guilty because you're seen as "cheap".

I have really awful memories of gift-giving from my teen years and
early adulthood. My father obviously had some huge trigger about getting
gifts, which to him had a lot of meaning in terms of feeling valued and
cared for. He was never satisfied with anything he got and was quite vocal
about it. He used to make weird faces and comments about things I got him,
if they weren't the perfect item, which of course they never were.

At some point when I was about 18, he decided I was the most selfish
person to walk the earth. There was some truth to that, I mean I was a
late teenager - of course I was self-centered. Unfortunately, my dad
was completely unable to handle that in any productive way, and it caused
huge rifts between us. Gift-giving was just one manifestation of my
totally self-absorbed, ungenerous, oblivious-to-others nature. Not only
did he make fun of gifts I gave him, but he would lecture me on the
inappropriateness of things I gave other people, with the most twisted
of logic. One year I gave my sister a Cheech & Chong album. My father
made the case that this proved how self-centered I was, because I was
extremely into music, so giving my sister an album was just focusing on
what *I* like. Bizarre, isn't it? I wasn't even a Cheech & Chong fan.

You can imagine that this gave me lots of neurotic complexes. More than
30 years later, I still don't enjoy compulsory gift-giving. I find it
very stressful.

However, when I find something that I know someone will love, I'll get
it for them whether or not there's a gift-giving occasion for it. I like
to give gifts, but only when there's no pressure. The pressure makes me
go blank and I can't think of anything that person might want. Then I
get panicky, thinking that now people are going to find out what a
fundamentally selfish person I am.

The fact is, I'm not really close to my family, and I don't know what
they really want. And I just hate that whole ritual of people giving
each other things that nobody really wants, just to show each other
they're being "thoughtful" or "generous", or whatever the family trip
is. And then everyone has more junk in their house that they don't want.
(Freecycle! :))

I do know that not all gift-giving occasions are this dysfunctional.
Lots of people get pleasure from it, even at the holidays. But just
reading the posts here tells me it's not all that uncommon, either.

Joyce
Sherry - 29 Nov 2004 05:37 GMT
>I find out what people collect and the buy it on ebay. I love finding unique
>things. The effort of finding something for that specific person matters more
>than price. Usually ebay cost less which is a good thing on my budget. I love
>giving gifts. Guess I'm shallow.
>Suz

Oh NO, Suz, I didn't mean to imply that gift-giving is shallow. What you do, to
me, defines the purpose of gift-giving. Showing someone you care with a
carefully-selected item that you already know they'll love. I just get
overwhelmed with the constant bombardment of buy, buy, buy this time of year.
Buy more decorations. Buy the most awesome Christmas tree ever. Buy SOMETHING
for EVERYONE, even if it's overpriced and relatively useless.
Truth is, I'm getting very anti-consumerism, even when it comes down to
everyday (overpackaged) products. Americans have too much crap already. Witness
the fact that one of the most successfull businesses here is the STORAGE
business. And freecycle. And the number of garage sales on any given weekend.
Sherry <--- the newsgroup Scrooge.
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 29 Nov 2004 11:42 GMT
> Witness the fact that one of the most successfull businesses here is
> the STORAGE business.

LOL, that is telling, isn't it?

> And freecycle.

Freecycle is at least trying to combat one aspect of this problem, which
is that all this junk ends up in landfills. Their goal is to get usable
stuff into other people's hands rather than just having it end up dumped.

> Sherry <--- the newsgroup Scrooge.

That makes two of us!

Joyce
Melissa Houle - 30 Nov 2004 18:44 GMT
> >I find out what people collect and the buy it on ebay. I love finding unique
> >things. The effort of finding something for that specific person matters more
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> business. And freecycle. And the number of garage sales on any given weekend.
> Sherry <--- the newsgroup Scrooge.

I agree with Sherry--I dislike the "Buy this or your life is incomplete!"
bombardment of advertisements at this time of year.  Hello, I've gotten
through life without a talking microwave just FINE, so far, thank you very
much.  So I think I'll take a pass on that particular gadget. I think it's
one of the most valid reasons that people end up hating Christmas.
Actually, I love Christmas itself, just not the consumeristic frenzy that
accompanies it.  I also agree with Sherry  that we've already got TOO MUCH
STUFF. Even though I had a major cleaning out of my apartment earlier this
year, I still have too much stuff.

However Suz, I like your gift buying style. To give something unique that
the recipient willl love and use often is the best kind of Christmas
shopping there is! On Christmas morning, I STILL love opening packages. But
the things I want tend to be things I've been eyeing all fall, and have
dropped strategic hints into knowing ears. Or else it will be household or
personal items  I need and will use every day. The sweater-coat my mom gave
me two Christmases ago is still doing yeoman duty, and I love it because
it's something I needed, I like the colors, it goes with other things in my
wardrobe, and most importantly of all, it keeps me warm. =o)

Melissa
Ginger-lyn Summer - 24 Nov 2004 18:30 GMT
>Sherry's post about the commercialism of the holidays got me thinking.
>Some years money is really tight and we don't have a choice but to keep
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
>
>Pam S.

I try to avoid all the extreme commercial "buy! buy! buy!" as much as
possible normally, and with tight funds, it isn't hard - heh.

As Pagans/Wiccans, we celebrate Yule, so we actually are done with our
celebration a few days before Xmas, which is rather nice.  We get to
relax, and maybe go visit the family for their Xmas celebration, but
we're already done, all gifts wrapped, cookies baked, etc.

Last year, for one of my dearest friends, I hand-embroidered a little
framed piece with kitties on it that said "Friends are Fur-ever".  I
think it's nice to to handmade gifts when you have time and energy.
One of the best gifts we ever got was from my MIL -- one of those
small towel rice pack thingys that you can heat in the microwave and
put on aching muscles for relief.

I'm more traditional on Thanksgiving, and like to do the big feast :-)

Ginger-lyn
tired today and babbling
mlbriggs - 24 Nov 2004 18:59 GMT
>>Sherry's post about the commercialism of the holidays got me thinking.
>>Some years money is really tight and we don't have a choice but to keep
[quoted text clipped - 45 lines]
> Ginger-lyn
> tired today and babbling

IMHO  one should not mortgage their future so supply other than "real
needs".  There is a big difference between "needs" and "wants"
Bob M - 24 Nov 2004 18:30 GMT
> Sherry's post about the commercialism of the holidays got me thinking.
> Some years money is really tight and we don't have a choice but to keep
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
>
> Pam S.

All I have to say is my other nephew is getting a set of drums this
year! He's 3. Last year his parents laughed so hard at my other brother
and his wife when I gave their son, who was 3 last year, a drum set.
This year it's their turn. And of course since I don't have kids I can
walk away from it all. <big evil grin>

 Bob
mlbriggs - 24 Nov 2004 19:01 GMT
>> Sherry's post about the commercialism of the holidays got me thinking.
>> Some years money is really tight and we don't have a choice but to keep
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>
>   Bob

Sadist.  Why not building blocks or Legos -- something where creativity
may be encouraged?
Cheryl Perkins - 24 Nov 2004 19:07 GMT
>>  All I have to say is my other nephew is getting a set of drums this
>> year! He's 3. Last year his parents laughed so hard at my other brother
>> and his wife when I gave their son, who was 3 last year, a drum set.
>> This year it's their turn. And of course since I don't have kids I can
>> walk away from it all. <big evil grin>

> Sadist.  Why not building blocks or Legos -- something where creativity
> may be encouraged?

I once gave a child a printing set - you know, the sort of thing with
rubber stamp letter shapes, a little holder, and an assortment of rubber
stamp pictures and shapes. And an inkpad. I thought it would really
encourage her to be creative. Her parents were less enthusiastic, as she
did not limit where she used them

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mlbriggs - 24 Nov 2004 20:05 GMT
>>>  All I have to say is my other nephew is getting a set of drums this
>>> year! He's 3. Last year his parents laughed so hard at my other brother
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> encourage her to be creative. Her parents were less enthusiastic, as she
> did not limit where she used them

I   did that too, but my son decided he wanted to publish a newspaper.  He
was about 8 at the time and he peddled his newspaper to family and
neighbors (for a few days).  At least they are thinking.
Sherry - 25 Nov 2004 03:26 GMT
Well, I just had a project dumped in my lap that ought to generate some
Christmas spirit. The shelter is participating in the annual Christmas parade,
and the shelter manager asked me to make costumes for 15 dogs that the Girl
Scouts will be walking in the parade.
This ought to be fun. I can't go to the parade because it's the same day as the
Beekeeper's festival and DH wants to go to that. But maybe I can get a pic of
one of the dogs in costume.
Sherry
Enfilade - 24 Nov 2004 22:12 GMT
> Sadist.  Why not building blocks or Legos -- something where creativity
> may be encouraged?

Avoid the toys
that make the noise!

(I'm a Transformers collector.  DP still regrets buying me Red Alert
for Yule two years ago.  Red Alert has a sound chip with a siren
effect. :) :) :)

--Fil
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 25 Nov 2004 03:42 GMT
>> All I have to say is my other nephew is getting a set of drums this
>> year! He's 3. Last year his parents laughed so hard at my other brother
>> and his wife when I gave their son, who was 3 last year, a drum set.

> Sadist.  Why not building blocks or Legos -- something where creativity
> may be encouraged?

Hey! Drums are creative! OK, they're also loud, and probably very annoying
for parents. But don't say they're not creative....

Joyce - plays the drums, with nobody but the kitties to annoy
mlbriggs - 26 Nov 2004 00:09 GMT
On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 03:42:48 +0000, jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt wrote:

>  > On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 12:31:17 -0600, Bob M wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> Joyce - plays the drums, with nobody but the kitties to annoy

I'll bet the cats hate it.   IMHO  there is entirely too much noise
pollution today.  It is also causing people to have hearing problems.  MLB
Elise - 25 Nov 2004 02:27 GMT
> So, what are you doing to lessen the commercialism of the season?  What
> are your most cherished traditions of the season?
>
> Pam S.

I can't say I do anything to lessen the commercialism of the season.  I kind
of revel in it actually :)
Christmas Eve is my most cherished tradition.
Since I was 3 and we moved to Connecticut, we've traveled to New Jersey for
a family celebration on Christmas Day.  It started with packing up three
kids (ages 3,4 & 5) and gifts for a horde of nieces, nephews, siblings and
parents; driving 1.5 - 2 hrs; a late breakfast at one Aunt's house with
opening presents; dinner at another's and then the drive home.
In order for my mother to retain some semblance of sanity through all this,
the Christmas Eve tradition was born.  Because we had to travel so far early
the next day, Santa came to our house *first* !  That way we could open our
presents on Christmas Eve and Mom had more time to wrestle us into the car
in the morning :)

It has morphed into a simple buffet dinner of salad, meat pie & vegan meat
pie substitute [mom has created a mushroom based pie that, while it will
never be the "real thing" is quite good in it's own right, besides Teri
probably doesn't remember what the real meat pie actually tastes like...]
and mulled cider, followed by homemade cookies and eggnog (real and vegan
substitute).  For several years (before the grandchild) before, during and
after we ate, we would build a 3D jigsaw puzzle together.  Now we play with
Alexander who is an endless source of amusement at nearly 3 years old :)
Eventually we each grab our stocking (and the stockings for the furkids, mom
is a good grandma) and take seats in the living room to open gifts.  It's a
warm, fuzzy kind of evening and allows us to all be together no matter which
family's "turn" it is for Christmas dinner (the married folk alternate years
with the in-laws - this year it's Thanksgiving with my family and Christmas
with the in-laws).

hmmm, done babbling now :)
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Marina - 25 Nov 2004 05:47 GMT
<snippety>
> In order for my mother to retain some semblance of sanity through all this,
> the Christmas Eve tradition was born.  Because we had to travel so far early
> the next day, Santa came to our house *first* !

Here in Finland, Santa always visits on Christmas Eve. :o) When I lived
in the US as a kid, my friends were soo jealous of me, because our
Finnish Santa visited us there, too, on Christams Eve.

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Enfilade - 25 Nov 2004 19:33 GMT
> > In order for my mother to retain some semblance of sanity through all this,
> > the Christmas Eve tradition was born.  Because we had to travel so far early
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> in the US as a kid, my friends were soo jealous of me, because our
> Finnish Santa visited us there, too, on Christams Eve.

My parents open Christmas presents on Christmas Eve, because we used
to go visit my grandparents on Christmas Day.  Santa came on the
morning of Dec 25, right before we left for Grandma and Grandpa's, but
the rest of the family's presents:  me, mom, dad, and Oma, opened our
presents on Dec 24.

I'm Wiccan and my partner and I open our gifts to each other and the
kitties on Dec 21, then we go to PEI to his family's Christmas and
open on Dec 25.

--Fil
Christine Burel - 25 Nov 2004 16:37 GMT
snip

For me, the rpca card exchange is a huge boost to my holiday.  In addition,
I feel especially drawn to working with socializing the kitties at the
humane society during this time.
Christine
Marina - 28 Nov 2004 04:14 GMT
> For me, the rpca card exchange is a huge boost to my holiday.  In addition,
> I feel especially drawn to working with socializing the kitties at the
> humane society during this time.

Yes, the card exchange has become a valued tradition here, too. I don't
put up any decorations in my home, but I do hang up all the cards. I
always buy my cards from some charity. The last couple of years I bought
them from the local shelter, this year from the World Wildlife Fund.
Expensive, yes, but the proceeds go towards helping animals, so that's
sort of my present to all of you in the card exchange.

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Victor Martinez - 29 Nov 2004 18:25 GMT
At my parents' house we no longer do the "gifts for everyone" thing, it
got too expensive. We now do a gift exchange, so that each adult only
has to get one present for another adult, instead of 12-15... However,
the kids still all get presents, but this year one of the kids should be
graduating to the adult roster. He is in college now! :)

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jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 30 Nov 2004 00:11 GMT
> At my parents' house we no longer do the "gifts for everyone" thing, it
> got too expensive. We now do a gift exchange, so that each adult only
> has to get one present for another adult, instead of 12-15

That's a really good way to do it. Does everyone know who they're getting
the gift for, or do you each just buy a gift, and then pick them from a
pile on Xmas day? Or if they do, then how do you assign each person a
giftee, pull names from a hat kind of thing?

Joyce
Magic Mood Jeep? - 30 Nov 2004 01:05 GMT
>> At my parents' house we no longer do the "gifts for everyone" thing,
>> it got too expensive. We now do a gift exchange, so that each adult
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>
> Joyce

DH has a rather large family, 3 brothers, and possibvly a total of 7 step
brothers/sisters (I can't remember, and I don't think I've met all of them
either).  What they usually do is all the adults buy for adults (men buy men
themed gifts, women women themed), they are put in two piles, one for women,
one for men.  Each present is numbered, and a corresponding number is
written on a slip of paper (each pile has their own set of #'s), and all
pieces of paper are folded and placed in a hat or bowl (whichever is handy).

Then all the women who brought a gift draws a number from the hat/bowl, and
finds the corresponding # among the presents in the women's pile.  Same
thing happens with the men.  In the odd chance that the # you drew is on the
gift you brought, you can opt to trade with someone (odds are that someone
else also drew the # on their own present anyway), or if what you brought is
really nice & you wouldn't mind keeping it, don't say anything.
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Victor Martinez - 30 Nov 2004 03:29 GMT
> That's a really good way to do it. Does everyone know who they're getting
> the gift for, or do you each just buy a gift, and then pick them from a
> pile on Xmas day? Or if they do, then how do you assign each person a

Someone gets the names of everyone who wants in the exchange and assigns
who gives to who. She then calls each person and tells them who their
secret giftee is. :)
We usually assign a monetary value for the gift, which makes it more
challenging.

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jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 30 Nov 2004 07:35 GMT
> Someone gets the names of everyone who wants in the exchange and assigns
> who gives to who. She then calls each person and tells them who their
> secret giftee is. :)

Oh, it's a *secret* Santa kind of thing. I remember doing that years ago.
That's kind of fun.

> We usually assign a monetary value for the gift, which makes it more
> challenging.

But also nicer, because then everyone's gift is more or less the same
price, so nobody ends up worrying about whether their gift is too cheap.

Joyce

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