Ok, here is my not very timely Frank and Lyle report. Since so much has
been going on I will just give some quick highlights.
The brothers are getting a lot more trusting of me. I can pet either one
or both. Most times, if I pet one, the other will hurry over to get
their share. Me too! Me too!
They have tried to sucker me into serving dinner early a few times but so
far they have not fooled me. Dinner at 5! No exceptions boys.
I have to leave a shirt on the back of one kitchen chair because they
play hide and seek under it. One will "hide" while the other "doesn't
know" he is there. Hide cat runs out and scare unaware cat. After that
they switch positions and go again. One day one of them tried it with
me! He ran out (not sure which one) "HA! Got you!" saw it was me and
figured "what am I doing!" and ran to the back room!
Every night I sweep their room and clean their litter boxes. Now that
they are brave they come over and try to help. No comment on how helpful
they are. I used to leave the cover on the littler box I was not
clearing and one time Frank jumped into the covered box (6 inches away
from the one I was cleaning) and lay down in the litter! No, they don't
do that as a rule. He looked up at me outside the box and it looked for
all the world like a little kid making a "poopie" joke. He then jumped
out and seemed quite happy with his performance.
When I clean the boxes, now, I take both covers off at the same time
'cause it is faster to work and even though Lyle is still a bit more
leery of me he has pretty much never minded jumping in the box next to
where I am working and doing his business. Just like a guy, I guess.
They don't come into the bedroom with me in bed but they are close to it.
Frank has come up on the bed with me sitting on the edge and come up to
me. They will both get on the couch with me on it if things are quiet
and as the photos show they think they own what used to be MY seat when I
am not there.
The only possible problem I have is that Lyle (who loves to be petted
now) is getting fat! Frank is taller and Lyle is fatter. I am going to
try to work on their feeding style and food to prevent that getting to be
a problem.
So here is a slideshow of them trying to merge into one cat:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/outsider1955/sets/72157604080211588/show/
and here are where most of the other new pics are.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/outsider1955/sets/72157604027099994/
Adrian - 10 Mar 2008 23:14 GMT
> Ok, here is my not very timely Frank and Lyle report. Since so much
> has been going on I will just give some quick highlights.
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>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/outsider1955/sets/72157604027099994/
It,s great to see them making so much progress.

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mlbriggs - 11 Mar 2008 00:18 GMT
> Ok, here is my not very timely Frank and Lyle report. Since so much has
> been going on I will just give some quick highlights.
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>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/outsider1955/sets/72157604027099994/
They are great looking boys. MLB
Susan M - 11 Mar 2008 04:57 GMT
> Ok, here is my not very timely Frank and Lyle report. Since so much has
> been going on I will just give some quick highlights.
>
> The brothers are getting a lot more trusting of me. I can pet either one
> or both. Most times, if I pet one, the other will hurry over to get
> their share. Me too! Me too!
Thanks for the long update Andy - its so great to see how well they are
training you and trusting you :-) They are a super handsome pair and
they look so comfortable in your pictures.
Susan M
Otis and Chester
Marina - 11 Mar 2008 05:11 GMT
> Ok, here is my not very timely Frank and Lyle report. Since so much has
> been going on I will just give some quick highlights.
Thanks for the update, Andy. Love the photos, especially the 'merging'
ones. LOL! Lyle does look a bit chunky. Good luck with the diet! Caliban
still tries to fool me that it's breakfast/supper time at least an hour
early. He'll be happy when we change over to summer time.

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Outsider - 11 Mar 2008 20:40 GMT
>> Ok, here is my not very timely Frank and Lyle report. Since so much
>> has been going on I will just give some quick highlights.
>
> Thanks for the update, Andy. Love the photos, especially the 'merging'
> ones. LOL! Lyle does look a bit chunky. Good luck with the diet!
I am trying to work out the dry food thing.
I do want to be able to have something they can nibble on durring the day
or night when they get hungry but I read the ingredients on every dry food
no matter how expensive and they are all cereal which I do not like. It
may be that I can put a small amount out and they leave it until they are
very hungry and that may solve the issue. I am not sure that is the case
yet but it may be. I would rather whatever "snack food" I put out is
crunchy but perhaps dried meat would work for them. The canned food I give
them is pretty much cut up meat and it dries out pretty fast if not eaten
so I give them a can between the two of them and in a few hours they finish
it. Maybe I need to drop the snack idea (dry food) and just do a can twice
a day. Does anyone know of a dry food that is not all corn meal (as in
first listed ingredient?).
Marina - 12 Mar 2008 04:58 GMT
> I do want to be able to have something they can nibble on durring the day
> or night when they get hungry but I read the ingredients on every dry food
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> a day. Does anyone know of a dry food that is not all corn meal (as in
> first listed ingredient?).
I think I've made my opinion of dry food abundantly clear, so I won't go
into that again, but I can tell you that when I cut Caliban off dry food
completely, he went from 6.5 kg to 4.99 kg in about 6 months. I also
weighed his every meal (which most times consists of fresh meat): 70-80
grams of meat twice a day. If you really don't want to give up the
snacks, a small amount of dried meat sounds good to me.

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Outsider - 13 Mar 2008 01:08 GMT
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> If you really don't want to give up
> the snacks, a small amount of dried meat sounds good to me.
I am trying to figure out how much it really means to them to have
something out. It may be that a very small amount of something there is
enough for them to feel "secure". It may be they don't even care. In the
mean time I will look at the Royal Canin (per Helen) and see what it would
entail to make my own jerky since the store bought is loaded wth salt and
other bad chemicals (explaining why I love it so much :).
It was very hard to feed Zak canned food since it would stay out and then I
fridge part and take it out a bit at a time and warm it up and it did not
work out very well. I love that between these two they can finish a whole
can before it gets dry and cruddy. It is also a little event for us. With
Zak food was never a big deal "between" us.
Andy
leopardusweidii@yahoo.co.uk - 12 Mar 2008 21:02 GMT
> I am trying to work out the dry food thing.
>
> I do want to be able to have something they can nibble on durring the day
> or night when they get hungry but I read the ingredients on every dry food
> no matter how expensive and they are all cereal which I do not like.
Have a look at the Royal Canin ingredients. I think the first one is
dehydrated poultry meat and the second one is rice.
Helen M
Outsider - 13 Mar 2008 01:09 GMT
>> I am trying to work out the dry food thing.
>>
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>
> Helen M
Gonna look at it.
Jack Campin - bogus address - 13 Mar 2008 01:30 GMT
>> I am trying to work out the dry food thing.
>> I do want to be able to have something they can nibble on durring the
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> Have a look at the Royal Canin ingredients. I think the first one is
> dehydrated poultry meat and the second one is rice.
The Lidl High Premium one has a small amount of barley. Splodge
is okay with it; anything with wheat in it (or other "cereal"-
containing catfoods, wet or dry) gives him instant and very severe
smelly diarrhoea, like a human with coeliac disease (he would have
died if we hadn't spotted that this was the problem). This Lidl
stuff was Muriel's main food for years and she stayed remarkably
healthy to an advanced age - died with all her teeth.
But. The manager of the Lidl branch that I find most convenient to
get to has decided, off his own bat, to stop stocking any petfood.
Anyone know how best to fix that?
==== j a c k at c a m p i n . m e . u k === <http://www.campin.me.uk> ====
Jack Campin, 11 Third St, Newtongrange EH22 4PU, Scotland == mob 07800 739 557
CD-ROMs and free stuff: Scottish music, food intolerance, and Mac logic fonts
Outsider - 13 Mar 2008 21:28 GMT
>>> I am trying to work out the dry food thing.
>>> I do want to be able to have something they can nibble on durring
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> EH22 4PU, Scotland == mob 07800 739 557 CD-ROMs and free stuff:
> Scottish music, food intolerance, and Mac logic fonts
Call them? Doubt it will help but who knows.
http://www.lidl.co.uk/uk/home.nsf/pages/c.service.c.hotline.index
Matthew - 12 Mar 2008 05:17 GMT
such a lucky slave
> Ok, here is my not very timely Frank and Lyle report. Since so much has
> been going on I will just give some quick highlights.
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>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/outsider1955/sets/72157604027099994/
Charleen Welton - 12 Mar 2008 20:03 GMT
Thanks for the great report. They are great looking kitties. You are doing
a great job with them.
Charleen
> Ok, here is my not very timely Frank and Lyle report. Since so much has
> been going on I will just give some quick highlights.
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>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/outsider1955/sets/72157604027099994/
Outsider - 13 Mar 2008 00:50 GMT
> Thanks for the great report. They are great looking kitties. You are
> doing a great job with them.
>
> Charleen
Thanks, I am trying.