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leopardusweidii@yahoo.co.uk - 02 Mar 2008 19:51 GMT
I occasionally do some petsitting for people. One of the people I
petsit for is my neighbour. She has 2 long haired cats - one who she
claims dislikes being groomed. I haven't seen the cats for several
months as she lives over the other side of the road and the cats
rarely go out. Yesterday, I fed them as the owner went on holiday.
(I'm looking after them for 2 weeks). The poor girlcat, Saffy, is so
badly matted that her whole coat is solid felt. She looks exactly like
an RSPCA neglect case. The owner clearly hasn't brushed or groomed the
poor cat in months, because her coat didn't get like this overnight.

I've enlisted the help of a friend and I have started tackling Saffys
coat. I've clipped off about a third of the matted hair so far, and my
aim is to get the rest of it done by the end of the week, but I am so
bloody angry on Saffys behalf.    These cats are fed premium food, and
are loved and spayed etc, and Trevor (the boycat), his coat is fine.
But saffy is a mess. Quite frankly, I don't give a flying pigs
testicle that my neighbour is going to come back to a bald cat. At
least Saffy will be free of the stinking matts.

I am friendly with the local RSPCA Animal Welfare Officer (AWO), and
once the neighbour is back off holiday, I'm thinking of asking her to
have a friendly word about Saffys welfare, i.e. keep up with her
grooming, but has anyone got any sugestions as to how I can deal with
the whole thing diplomatically without involving the RSPCA? Although I
have a good relationship with the AWO, I am still *REALLY* suspicious
of them, as the local RSPCA inspector is a complete prick and the
owner *does* adore and love her cats (with the exception of getting
Saffy groomed). I also want to retain access to the cats by looking
after them on their owners holidays, but at the moment want to batter
the owner with a baseball bat!

Sorry for the rant, but it's *SO* unneccessary for an animal to have a
coat in a shocking matted condition and I needed to get it off my
chest.

Thanks
Helen M
jofirey - 02 Mar 2008 20:38 GMT
Is there somewhere she could take Saffy every month to have her groomed and
necessary parts shaved?  My aunt has her two Himies bathed and trimmed every
two months, including belly shaving.

Maybe she just really can't keep up with it and doesn't know what options
she might have.  It does sound like she cares but is overwhelmed

Jo
>I occasionally do some petsitting for people. One of the people I
> petsit for is my neighbour. She has 2 long haired cats - one who she
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> Thanks
> Helen M
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 03 Mar 2008 00:52 GMT
> Is there somewhere she could take Saffy every month to have her groomed and
> necessary parts shaved?  My aunt has her two Himies bathed and trimmed every
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>
> Jo

Some cats strenuously object to being brushed - it may not be entirely
the neighbors fault!  (Often they're much more likely to allow a
stranger to take such liberties, whereas they have their slaves well
trained.)  I've only had two long-haired cats, so far.  Tigrita would
get nasty mats once in a while - mostly her belly fur.  The only way to
deal with them was to clip them, although I got to be pretty cautious
about that, after the time I clipped a big, thick one from her side,
despite her vociferous protests.  (This was a cat who screamed
bloody-murder when you changed her flea collar, so I'd learned to ignore
such histrionics.)  She ran outside when I'd finished, then came in
about a half hour later with a big, gaping sore on her side!  Apparently
I'd nicked her a bit with the scissors, and her licking at it resulted
in a rather large vet bill (several stitches, and a "belly bandage"
which drove the poor beastie frantic).

Melisande is long-hair, too, but her fur is so super-soft that it
doesn't seem to mat (although she certainly hacks up some impressive
hairballs from time to time).
Gandalf - 02 Mar 2008 23:51 GMT
>I occasionally do some petsitting for people. One of the people I
>petsit for is my neighbour. She has 2 long haired cats - one who she
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>Thanks
>Helen M

The best advice I can give is NOT to involve the RSPCA. They will just
muck things up.

Try to work it out with your neighbor. Perhaps she just needs some help
dealing with the mats, once they get started. Offer to help her out, if
she needs grooming help.

Leave the animal Gestapo out of this. The cat is well taken care of,
except for the grooming.

My bet would be that it just got out of hand, to the point she couldn't
tackle the mats.

Give her the benefit of the doubt, please.

~~~~~~~~~~~~
"Life without cats would be only marginally worth living."
-TC, and the unmercifully, relentlessly, sweet calico kitty, Kenzie.

Every day is a treasure with Kenzie; I try to treat them that way. There
will only be so many, and then there will never, ever, be any more.

How you behave towards cats here below determines your status in Heaven.
- Robert Heinlein
leopardusweidii@yahoo.co.uk - 03 Mar 2008 09:12 GMT
> Try to work it out with your neighbor. Perhaps she just needs some help
> dealing with the mats, once they get started. Offer to help her out, if
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>
> Give her the benefit of the doubt, please.////

To be honest, this is what I am doing - Celia does love hjer cats, the
fur has just got out of hand (And I *HATE* the RSPCA). My elderly next
door neighbour (Mary, with Thomas and Milo who have both gone to RB if
you remember) and I are working on the mats little by little every
day. Celia will come back to a bald cat, but it'll hopefully give
everyone a clean slate to start fur care. :)

Celia knows I will be having a go at the mats, I just don't think she
knows how much. ;o)

And Yowie - re: your guys being afraid of brushes/grooming, I have 4
like that - only HRFL Tiger asks to be brushed - the others including
MLW hate it and run. Probably not abuse, more not being used to being
groomed. All the cats who I've had who've been happy to be groomed
have been started as tiny kittens and have associated it with treats.

Helen  M
Yowie - 03 Mar 2008 02:22 GMT
<snip>

> I am friendly with the local RSPCA Animal Welfare Officer (AWO), and
> once the neighbour is back off holiday, I'm thinking of asking her to
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> coat in a shocking matted condition and I needed to get it off my
> chest.

Suki hates being brushed as well. I have tried five different style brushes,
and she seems terrified of all of them (I wonder what has happened to her in
the past?). the best I can do is to stroke her maybe once down the back with
a brush, and thats about it, she takes off and hides. I've got no hope of
getting to her tummy or pantaloons. (Pickle, the shorthaired one *loves*
being brushed of course). What I have decided is to simply keep an eye on
her, and if she gets matts, to just take her to a proffesional groomer. So
far, she seems matt-less, and I'm hoping she stays that way.

So, this is my advice for what little its worth: you are the one with more
cat experience, so perhaps you could try to get Saffy used to being brushed.
Try different brushes and different approaches. But if that fails you'll
simply have to tell her slave what life is like for a cat with matts, and
then recommend a proffessional groomer that you like & trust. If the cats
are otehrwise loved and cared for, i'd suggest that she simply doesn't know
that a matted cat is uncomfortable, would be mortified to find out, and will
pay for the grooming when necessary.

This is not so much a case of neglect, IMHO, but merely ignorance of an
otherwise good slave, and thats far easier to correct. The RSPCA, IMHO, is
only good for cases of neglect and abuse, and (unfortunatley) have no place
in educating a well meaning but ignorant slave

heck, I wouldn't have known that long haired cats needed brushing, had I n
ot been a member of htis group - for all  I knew 12 years ago, cats (of all
hair lenghts) simply groomed themselves, and that was that.

Find out whether you can get Saffy to accept being brushed, then when the
owner comes back, give her Saffy's brush and show her how to do it. make a
point of mentioning how much it woudl save her by brushing her than taking
Saffy to be groomed :-)

Yowie
bastXXXette@sonic.net - 03 Mar 2008 03:13 GMT
> So, this is my advice for what little its worth: you are the one with more
> cat experience, so perhaps you could try to get Saffy used to being brushed.
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> that a matted cat is uncomfortable, would be mortified to find out, and will
> pay for the grooming when necessary.

[snip]

> Find out whether you can get Saffy to accept being brushed, then when the
> owner comes back, give her Saffy's brush and show her how to do it. make a
> point of mentioning how much it woudl save her by brushing her than taking
> Saffy to be groomed :-)

Also, I'd like to add two other techniques for getting rid of mats, which
Saffy might be more willing to tolerate:

1. Cutting them off with scissors. Of course, the base of the mat will
still be there, right next to the skin, since you can't clip that closely
with scissors. But at that point, it might be brushable.

2. Pulling them apart (*gently*!) with your fingers. Smudge lets me do
this - for a while, anyway - and it works wonders. For a cat with an advanced
case of mats such as Saffy, this would be impractical, but it's great for
maintenance once the major problem has been taken care of.

By the way, Yowie (sorry, I snipped this part out of your post), I don't
think that Suki has necessarily been abused with a brush. I've discovered
that some cats are just afraid of certain things, even though I know their
history and I know they weren't abused. I once had a cat that I got at age
2 days old (I didn't hand-raise her because I had her mom, too). She was
the most neurotic cat I've ever had, including Licky. I don't know what
spooked her about so many things, but I had never been mean to her a day
in her life. Who knows what goes on in a cat's brain? Maybe Suki isn't
actually afraid, but just hates the feeling of being brushed.

Joyce

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Lesley - 03 Mar 2008 15:07 GMT
On Mar 2, 7:13 pm, bastXXXe...@sonic.net wrote:
), I don't
> think that Suki has necessarily been abused with a brush. I've discovered
> that some cats are just afraid of certain things,

Dunzi hates brushes- show her a brush anywhere near her and she hisses
and runs for it. She can tolerate one or two gentle strokes with a
Zoom Groom but even that is under sufferance and she'll run off after
the second stroke

Sarsi loves to be groomed- she even brings brushes out when she wants
to be groomed or leaves them where they can trip us up as a big hint

Luckily they're both short haired

Lesley

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Sherry - 03 Mar 2008 04:03 GMT
On Mar 2, 1:51 pm, leoparduswei...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> I occasionally do some petsitting for people. One of the people I
> petsit for is my neighbour. She has 2 long haired cats - one who she
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> Thanks
> Helen M

Bless you for taking on this project. I hope you can get the kitty's
coat taken care of,
no matter what she looks like. Matts aren't just ugly, as I'm sure you
know. They are painful
and if they're not taken care of she'll end up with sores, if she
doesn't have them already. If
the cat won't let the owner care care of his coat (and I've had cats
like that)....Saffy needs
to be taken to the vet or groomer. You're absolutely right, it *is*
neglect.

Sherry
Karen AKA Kajikit - 03 Mar 2008 16:48 GMT
>I occasionally do some petsitting for people. One of the people I
>petsit for is my neighbour. She has 2 long haired cats - one who she
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>an RSPCA neglect case. The owner clearly hasn't brushed or groomed the
>poor cat in months, because her coat didn't get like this overnight.

Poor pusscat... I used to be friends with a long-haired cat who was
badly matted and I groomed him myself for awhile, but eventually the
owners had him entirely shaved. He looked rather strange for a few
months while his coat grew in again, but it dealt with the matting
problem! If Sassy is that averse to being brushed, a shave job is at
least a temporary solution, and maybe she could be persuaded to get
used to being groomed while her coat grows out again.

The only one of our cats who likes brushing is Scout. She adores it
and would let me brush her all night long. Silver hates it and runs
away or tries to attack the brush/comb - we tried her with two
different kitty combs, and a zoomgroom and she loathed them ALL, but
DH discovered she'll let you brush her at least a little with a soft
hairbrush. It doesn't work as well as a cat brush but at least it gets
rid of some of the loose fur. And Tessie won't let you brush or comb
her with ANYTHING! The only way to brush her at all is for one of us
to pick her up while the other brushes her side, and you can get about
five minutes in before she fights her way free and escapes. At least
her fur's far too short and fine to mat, but she has hairballs on a
regular basis because she won't let anyone get rid of her excess fur.
(she won't even let the other CATS groom her!)

It's funny because the cat are the opposite when it comes to getting
their claws clipped - Silver doesn't care, Tessie is resigned to it
and lets me do it for her, and Scouty puts up a huge fight and grows
about four extra legs!
bastXXXette@sonic.net - 03 Mar 2008 22:43 GMT
> I used to be friends with a long-haired cat who was
> badly matted and I groomed him myself for awhile

I remember this! You and your bf used to walk by and sometimes would
stop to groom him, right? I always wondered what happened to that
kitty.

> but eventually the owners had him entirely shaved.

Oh, I didn't know this. Well, I'm glad they finally dealt with it.

> It's funny because the cat are the opposite when it comes to getting
> their claws clipped - Silver doesn't care, Tessie is resigned to it
> and lets me do it for her, and Scouty puts up a huge fight and grows
> about four extra legs!

Each one with unclipped claws, of course.

Joyce

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Stormmee - 04 Mar 2008 10:14 GMT
perhaps a ferminator or similar tool for the next readily excuse/gift
occasion, and if the owner is upset at the bald cat tell her you were afraid
of infection*find grapic pictures on net to show*  then come round the next
day or so and show her, Lee
> I occasionally do some petsitting for people. One of the people I
> petsit for is my neighbour. She has 2 long haired cats - one who she
[quoted text clipped - 33 lines]
> Thanks
> Helen M
leopardusweidii@yahoo.co.uk - 04 Mar 2008 16:16 GMT
> perhaps a ferminator or similar tool for the next readily excuse/gift
> occasion, and if the owner is upset at the bald cat tell her you were afraid
> of infection*find grapic pictures on net to show*  then come round the next
> day or so and show her, Lee///

The situation is resolved! :o)

The owner knew I would be takling the matts whilst she was away (she
verbally agreed to it when we discussed it), but she thought I would
be doing it myself. I spoke to her on the phone last night because
there were some particularly bad ones and I couldn't deal with them on
my own. With her permission (and a friendly vet who did me a favour)
the cat has now got some shaved spots and no matts. Of course, the
"shaved spots" comprise of 60% of the cats body and both cat and owner
are happy..........until the owner sees what I mean by "a few shaved
spots".........

Point is, I did it with "permission" and cat is now jumping around
like a kitten.

Yes, I was judgemental in how I felt the cat was being groomed, but it
was just as well we ended up at TED for a dematt because she had
picked up earmites too.

Helen M
Marina - 04 Mar 2008 16:35 GMT
> Point is, I did it with "permission" and cat is now jumping around
> like a kitten.

I'm so glad to hear it. I've never had a long-haired cat, but I
understand they often seem to feel relieved after having a good shave.
Makes you wonder why long-haired cats have been bred in the first place.
They certainly don't seem to enjoy the long hair themselves.

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EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 04 Mar 2008 19:39 GMT
>> Point is, I did it with "permission" and cat is now jumping around
>> like a kitten.
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> Makes you wonder why long-haired cats have been bred in the first place.
> They certainly don't seem to enjoy the long hair themselves.

Melisande seems happy enough with hers, but as I said earlier, her fur
is so VERY soft that it doesn't seem to mat.  (And it sure feels lovely
when she rubs against my face when she's on my lap while I'm watching TV!)
jofirey - 04 Mar 2008 18:11 GMT
On Mar 4, 10:14 am, "Stormmee" <rgr...@consolidated.net> wrote:
> perhaps a ferminator or similar tool for the next readily excuse/gift
> occasion, and if the owner is upset at the bald cat tell her you were
> afraid
> of infection*find grapic pictures on net to show* then come round the next
> day or so and show her, Lee///

The situation is resolved! :o)

**********************

I'm so happy.  Especially for the poor cat.  For you as well and even for
the owner.

Reminds me of the time my mother was so upset by the condition of a poor
little Lhasa Apso that lived next door to them.  The owners neglected its
coat and let it run loose.  Usually it ran to my Mom's house.

She finally took it in to the shop and had it groomed without their
permission.    By then she had more or less worked herself into a "I dare
you to complain" state.

Jo
Stormmee - 04 Mar 2008 19:19 GMT
good work, and judgmental isn't always a bad thing, Lee
On Mar 4, 10:14 am, "Stormmee" <rgr...@consolidated.net> wrote:
> perhaps a ferminator or similar tool for the next readily excuse/gift
> occasion, and if the owner is upset at the bald cat tell her you were afraid
> of infection*find grapic pictures on net to show* then come round the next
> day or so and show her, Lee///

The situation is resolved! :o)

The owner knew I would be takling the matts whilst she was away (she
verbally agreed to it when we discussed it), but she thought I would
be doing it myself. I spoke to her on the phone last night because
there were some particularly bad ones and I couldn't deal with them on
my own. With her permission (and a friendly vet who did me a favour)
the cat has now got some shaved spots and no matts. Of course, the
"shaved spots" comprise of 60% of the cats body and both cat and owner
are happy..........until the owner sees what I mean by "a few shaved
spots".........

Point is, I did it with "permission" and cat is now jumping around
like a kitten.

Yes, I was judgemental in how I felt the cat was being groomed, but it
was just as well we ended up at TED for a dematt because she had
picked up earmites too.

Helen M

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