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Granby - 27 Feb 2008 22:15 GMT
Some of our posts have gotten included in the wrong vein.  Like some in
depression that don't belong there. and, on the one about a father being
terribly ill.
Yowie - 27 Feb 2008 22:40 GMT
> Some of our posts have gotten included in the wrong vein.  Like some
> in depression that don't belong there. and, on the one about a father
> being terribly ill.

Wouldn't worry about it, thread topics wander all over the place, its just
part of the natural conversation here. Unless of course, you think a
sub-thread deserves a different subject line, and then youare free to change
it or indeed start a new thread on the subject.

Wish I saved the 1st Church of the Porcelain Three Three thread. Now *that*
was a classic example of topic-drift!

Yowie
bastXXXette@sonic.net - 27 Feb 2008 23:36 GMT
> Wish I saved the 1st Church of the Porcelain Three Three thread. Now *that*
> was a classic example of topic-drift!

I'm sure it's archived on Google, or whoever's doing the archiving these
days. Not that I'm volunteering to retrieve all those posts. :)

Joyce

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Granby - 28 Feb 2008 00:13 GMT
I just meant that I didn't want anyone who was hurting to feel bad if we
started joking about something.  My mind wanders, why shouldn't the threds?
>> Some of our posts have gotten included in the wrong vein.  Like some
>> in depression that don't belong there. and, on the one about a father
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>
> Yowie
Yowie - 28 Feb 2008 00:48 GMT
>>> Some of our posts have gotten included in the wrong vein.  Like some
>>> in depression that don't belong there. and, on the one about a father
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>I just meant that I didn't want anyone who was hurting to feel bad if we
>started joking about something.  My mind wanders, why shouldn't the threds?

I don't think people would be hurt after the topic drifts, but bless you for
being so caring as to think about that sort of thing! You have a really big
heart.

Yowie
Kyla  =^..^= - 28 Feb 2008 06:36 GMT
How about a sewing thread?
Kyla
"Granby"
>I just meant that I didn't want anyone who was hurting to feel bad if we
>started joking about something.  My mind wanders, why shouldn't the threds?
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>>
>> Yowie
jmcquown - 28 Feb 2008 12:03 GMT
>I just meant that I didn't want anyone who was hurting to feel bad if we
>started joking about something.  My mind wanders, why shouldn't the threds?

Sometimes a joke is exactly what is needed when things are looking grim!  I
wouldn't worry too much about it.

Jill

>>> Some of our posts have gotten included in the wrong vein.  Like some
>>> in depression that don't belong there. and, on the one about a father
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>>
>> Yowie
Ted Davis - 28 Feb 2008 00:53 GMT
>> Some of our posts have gotten included in the wrong vein.  Like some in
>> depression that don't belong there. and, on the one about a father being
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> sub-thread deserves a different subject line, and then youare free to
> change it or indeed start a new thread on the subject.

I joined a thread - named "Express Mail" - one time (on Compuserve) that
was several months old already and went on for several more.  Hardly
anyone in the thread knew what the topic meant - it certaily didn't have
anything to do with the actual discussion.  The same group managed to stay
on topic (more or less) in a thread named "Modern Religion" for about
10 000 messages over several months without a single flame.

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used to be UMR (University of Missouri - Rolla).

GaDragonfly - 28 Feb 2008 03:55 GMT
> > Some of our posts have gotten included in the wrong vein.  Like some
> > in depression that don't belong there. and, on the one about a father
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> Yowie

Yowie, thanks to you I have accomplished absolutely nothing tonight
because I had to go back and read the various threads regarding three-
three's and The First Church which brought back wonderful memories of
threads, people and even chats.  Seriously though, I did enjoy the
trip down memory lane and I actually found the first reference to
three-three's made by Dave Gerecke on December 28, 2000 and on March
12, 2001, TJ made the comment: "I could care less what someone else
believes or doesn't believe, if worshipping your toilet bowl while
wearing a three-three brings you inner peace, more power to ya! " To
which you replied, "Kewl. Anyone want to join me in the 1st Church of
the Porcelain Three Three?  And how many people do we need to become
tax exempt? "

And at least once every year thereafter you can find someone refer to
The First Church of the Porcelain Three Three.

Julie
who won't copy the entire 217 messages that were primarily posted
during 4 days in March of 2001
Granby - 28 Feb 2008 03:58 GMT
Do I just google Three Three for this or what.  Will try and copy the posts
if I can find them.  New project for something to do until spring comes.
>> > Some of our posts have gotten included in the wrong vein.  Like some
>> > in depression that don't belong there. and, on the one about a father
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> who won't copy the entire 217 messages that were primarily posted
> during 4 days in March of 2001
Stormmee - 28 Feb 2008 04:02 GMT
some of it is in the FAQ I think, its a huge amount of posts, Lee
> Do I just google Three Three for this or what.  Will try and copy the posts
> if I can find them.  New project for something to do until spring comes.
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> > who won't copy the entire 217 messages that were primarily posted
> > during 4 days in March of 2001
tanadashoes - 28 Feb 2008 01:47 GMT
> Some of our posts have gotten included in the wrong vein.  Like some in
> depression that don't belong there. and, on the one about a father being
> terribly ill.

Er. Granby, that is normal for this group.  Really.  This is, in part, how
we came to troll roasting.  Most of us are used to it, but I can see that we
should stop and take a look at what thread we're responding to.

Pam S. who likes the idea of remodeling her kitchen
Yowie - 28 Feb 2008 03:39 GMT
>> Some of our posts have gotten included in the wrong vein.  Like some
>> in depression that don't belong there. and, on the one about a
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> responding to.
> Pam S. who likes the idea of remodeling her kitchen

I am convinced my kitchen has it in for me, particularly the fridge. The
fridge likes throwing things at my head. Joel does't get hit inthe head with
things that 'randomly' fall off the top of the fridge, or jump out fromthe
shelves *in* the fridge, but I do, almost every day. Food also likes jumping
out from saucepans and sauces and other wet & sticky stuff seems to prefer
my legs, preferrably when they are scalding hot. water usually appears on
the floor whilst i am in there, and it makes it very slippery. I hate hate
hate my kitchen, and I think the feeling is very mutual.

If I ever have the money I am going to knock down the wall that seperates
the kitchen from the lounge room and just put a counter there, so I can see
whats going on in that room and can also hear the front door if anyone
knocks. The sink will be on that side as well, so I can do the washing up
and work in the kitchen whilst still beign with everyone in the room. The
fridge will be relocated to a safe place and I want to have more than half a
square metre of working space.

What would be really nice, especially if when the Yowlet is older, is to
have enough room so we can all stand side by side and work together as a
team. As it is, the kitchen is only big enough to have one person inthere at
a time - and if you open the fridge door you block all access to the
kitchen.

One of those 'breakfast bar' type kitchens ar ethe ones I fantasise about.

Yowie
(no, this isn't thread drift at all. Much :-) )
Granby - 28 Feb 2008 03:44 GMT
That's ok Yowie, it sayz thred not what kind.

Seems most of us would like to redo our kitchens.  My son is buying my house
and I am in a rental so will never have the chance to remodel again.  I wish
all of you that want to do this the joy of being able to do it.
>>> Some of our posts have gotten included in the wrong vein.  Like some
>>> in depression that don't belong there. and, on the one about a
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> Yowie
> (no, this isn't thread drift at all. Much :-) )
Matthew - 28 Feb 2008 03:47 GMT
Yowie  ever thnk it might be the food you are buying ;-)

>>> Some of our posts have gotten included in the wrong vein.  Like some
>>> in depression that don't belong there. and, on the one about a
[quoted text clipped - 34 lines]
> Yowie
> (no, this isn't thread drift at all. Much :-) )
Stormmee - 28 Feb 2008 04:05 GMT
or do what I do, stay out of there unless its absolutely necessary, I clean
up he cooks, everyone is much happier and healthier that way, Lee
> Yowie  ever thnk it might be the food you are buying ;-)
>
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> > Yowie
> > (no, this isn't thread drift at all. Much :-) )
hopitus - 28 Feb 2008 03:59 GMT
> >> Some of our posts have gotten included in the wrong vein.  Like some
> >> in depression that don't belong there. and, on the one about a
[quoted text clipped - 33 lines]
> Yowie
> (no, this isn't thread drift at all. Much :-) )

OT re remodeling kitchens.....as we all suspect or are sure of, cats
can and
*do* communicate among themselves when it suits their purposes....now,
there is another belief that I share, that the large appliances decide
to all
break down at once or in quick succession!. It can *not* be
coincidence;
has happened too many times to me. Whatta *you* think?
Yowie - 28 Feb 2008 04:48 GMT
>>>> Some of our posts have gotten included in the wrong vein.  Like
>>>> some in depression that don't belong there. and, on the one about a
[quoted text clipped - 45 lines]
> coincidence;
> has happened too many times to me. Whatta *you* think?

My father describes this as "the innate malevolence of inanimate objects"
:-)

In my case, the apple didn't fall far from (his) tree :-)

Yowie
tanadashoes - 28 Feb 2008 09:20 GMT
> I am convinced my kitchen has it in for me, particularly the fridge. The
> fridge likes throwing things at my head. Joel does't get hit inthe head
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> slippery. I hate hate hate my kitchen, and I think the feeling is very
> mutual.

Hummmm, the attack of the killer food.  I wouldn't know about that.  Food
sees me and makes this high pitched keening noise and tries to hide.
Doesn't do the little monsters any good.  I can always find them.

> If I ever have the money I am going to knock down the wall that seperates
> the kitchen from the lounge room and just put a counter there, so I can
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> fridge will be relocated to a safe place and I want to have more than half
> a square metre of working space.

I tell myself that someday, I'll be able to add the combined family
room/library to the back of the house that I want.  It would add onto the
kitchen and the bow window would be removed and a breakfast bar would be put
into place and more counters and cupboards would be placed on the walls and
maybe, if practical, a wet bar would be added as well.  I really want that
combined family room/ library.  I really need a place to put lots and lots
of books.

Pam S. who'd also remodel the cupboards, install a movable island, put up
pan racks, add a pantry, oh man, I think I need another house.
jmcquown - 28 Feb 2008 12:35 GMT
>>> Some of our posts have gotten included in the wrong vein.  Like some
>>> in depression that don't belong there. and, on the one about a
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
> Yowie
> (no, this isn't thread drift at all. Much :-) )
Saw the Top 10 Kitchens show on HGTV (Home & Garden TV) last week:

http://www.hgtv.com/hgtv/dc_design_kitchen/article/0,1793,HGTV_3375_5782239,00.html

or

http://tinyurl.com/2sk5c4

Some of these are bigger than my apartment!  (Of course I don't count
"seating areas" with upholstered furniture as part of the kitchen; the bar
type seating along the counters I'd call part of the kitchen.)  Most of
these are at least half the size of my apartment.  I'd love for my kitchen
to be a little larger.  But I do *not* want to have to wear roller skates to
get around in it!

Mine isn't much bigger than a large office cubicle/workspace.  Since I live
in an apartment there isn't a darn thing I can do about it other than try to
utilize the space as best I can.  It works out okay since it's just me; put
two people in it and it turns into a Laurel & Hardy routine.

Mom's kitchen has plenty of room but if I'd been designing it it would be
quite different.  The island in the middle is nice but you really don't need
one that big for prep-work.  There is plenty of free counter space by the
sink and the stove-top.  Ideally this would have instead a GAS cook-top on
the island with a large lighted vent hood above.  There would still be
plenty of room for prep on either side.  And she really doesn't need the
honkin' big built-in microwave that is above the existing stove.  I swear
it's big enough for a 15 lb. turkey.  But that was the "style" in the late
1980's.  I'd want a bigger pantry, too.  I'd change the cabinets and the
countertops (probably granite).  I'd get rid of the oh-so-80's wallpaper and
linoleum flooring.  Not sure what direction I'd go in, there.

Jill
tanadashoes - 28 Feb 2008 17:15 GMT
> Mom's kitchen has plenty of room but if I'd been designing it it would be
> quite different.  The island in the middle is nice but you really don't
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> wallpaper and linoleum flooring.  Not sure what direction I'd go in,
> there.

Ceramic tiles for me.  I really hate linoleum.  If your mom still has 1980s
appliances, I think her kitchen is overdue for a remodel.

Pam S, who's appliances are fairly recent except for the fridge
jofirey - 29 Feb 2008 03:59 GMT
>> Mom's kitchen has plenty of room but if I'd been designing it it would be
>> quite different.  The island in the middle is nice but you really don't
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
> Pam S, who's appliances are fairly recent except for the fridge

We have only had one problem since our kitchen remodel two years ago.
(After thirty five years in this house)

Once it was finished, I told Charlie that if he thought I was actually cook
in it and get it all messed up he was crazy.

I'm only just now getting everything stored where I want it to be.  And I
may yet maim the grandson who never puts anything back in the same place
where he found it.

Jo
tanadashoes - 29 Feb 2008 05:19 GMT
> We have only had one problem since our kitchen remodel two years ago.
> (After thirty five years in this house)
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> may yet maim the grandson who never puts anything back in the same place
> where he found it.

LOL, I love to cook, but I haven't learned gourmet like Jill and some
others.  The worst problems I have with my current kitchen is the lack of
counter space, lack of pantry, inability to store dishes, pots, and pans
where I want them. and the linoleum selected, I'm sure, by some guy who
selected by cost than by anything reasonable.

Pam S.
jmcquown - 29 Feb 2008 21:37 GMT
>> We have only had one problem since our kitchen remodel two years ago.
>> (After thirty five years in this house)
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
> Pam S.
I am hardly a gourmet cook!  LOL  I do enjoy cooking and trying new things.
That's saying a lot since I'm actually a picky eater.  I can't stand raw
vegetables (it's a texture thing rather than taste for me).  I don't like
care for "cold food", either.  No cold pizza for breakfast for this gal!
Sandwiches must be hot, preferably on toasted buttered bread.  I don't do
potato salad or cole slaw and in fact have a very strong dislike of the most
of condiments (mustard, ketchup, mayo).

My apartment kitchen is tiny.  The pantry is a good size but I don't have
storage (or counter) space for "extras" like a nice stand mixer, toaster or
toaster oven, cofffee maker, etc.  My crock pot fits under the lowest pantry
shelf which is fine since I only use it 4-5 times a year.  I don't drink
coffee anymore (no particular reason, other than I got it free at the
office) so I got rid of my coffee maker.  If I want to toast bread I do it
in the oven under the broiler element.  I do have a medium sized food
processor crammed into a cabinet but it's not the most convenient spot for
it.  It doesn't get used a lot, either.  The best "appliance" I ever
invested in was a stick/immersion blender.  Tucks away in a drawer and
doesn't take up any space to speak of.

Jill
jofirey - 29 Feb 2008 22:39 GMT
>>> We have only had one problem since our kitchen remodel two years ago.
>>> (After thirty five years in this house)
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>
> Jill

My mother never met a kitchen gadget she didn't at least want to try.  No
way to keep them all in the kitchen.  She had restaurant type shelves in the
basement for them.

Charlie and I would be just as bad, only we don't like things out on the
counter.  We have an agreement not to buy anything new without first
figuring out where to put it.  The only thing that has counter space is the
coffee grinder/brewer.

When the toaster oven broke, I managed to wean myself off using one.  After
all the one job it couldn't do was to make toast.  After a year the only
time I miss is is heating up Texas Toast garlic bread.  Seems such a waste
to turn on the regular over just for that.

Jo
Sherry - 04 Mar 2008 14:50 GMT
> >>> We have only had one problem since our kitchen remodel two years ago.
> >>> (After thirty five years in this house)
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>
> Jo- Hide quoted text -

I know it's even further OT, but since the subject came up, do you
have a rice cooker in your
basement collection of small appliances? I hate to buy something else
to store, but I'm considering
one, and wonder how well they work. We like rice, and I suck at
cooking it. It always turns out gummy.
This little appliance also steams vegetables, and I think I'd use that
often, too, so maybe it wouldn't end
up shoved to the back of the pantry floor.
Sherry
Normin - 04 Mar 2008 18:35 GMT
(snipped)

> I know it's even further OT, but since the subject came up, do
> you
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> up shoved to the back of the pantry floor.
> Sherry

I love my rice cooker, so easy to make rice in it.  Well worth
the investment in my opinion, plus using it as a veggie steamer
is a real bonus!  mine doesn't do that.

Sara
Cheryl P. - 04 Mar 2008 18:55 GMT
> (snipped)
>> I know it's even further OT, but since the subject came up, do
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
> Sara

I use a microwave for rice. Water, rice, and an amount of time
determined by how much of each. It's not faster, but the rice turns out
great each time and the bowl is easy to clean (I have an unfortunate
tendency to forget things, and if you forget stuff on a regular stove,
it burns on the pot.)

Cheryl
jofirey - 04 Mar 2008 18:39 GMT
On Feb 29, 4:39 pm, "jofirey" <jofi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "jmcquown" <j_mcqu...@comcast.net> wrote in message
>
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>
> Jo- Hide quoted text -

I know it's even further OT, but since the subject came up, do you
have a rice cooker in your
basement collection of small appliances? I hate to buy something else
to store, but I'm considering
one, and wonder how well they work. We like rice, and I suck at
cooking it. It always turns out gummy.
This little appliance also steams vegetables, and I think I'd use that
often, too, so maybe it wouldn't end
up shoved to the back of the pantry floor.
Sherry

I've never had a problem cooking rice, so I don't have a steamer.  I don't
see the point in them unless you are cooking a large batch of rice.

Sometimes you can save gummy rice by taking the lid off when Its done,
putting a couple of layers of folded paper towel across the pan and putting
the lid back on.   It will dry it out a bit.

How to cook rice:

(This doesn't work for more than two cups of dry rice, at that point the
water you use needs to be less than 2 to 1)

In a pan with a fairly well fitting lid put two cups of water, a pinch of
salt, one cup of rice and about a tablespoon of butter or oil.  Bring to a
boil, then immediately turn the heat down to low.  Cover and cook for at
least twenty minutes and no more than thirty minutes.

I always have at least two types of rice on hand.  Extra long grain, and
pearl.  The long grain will fluff up with a fork when its done.  The pearl
rice will be sticky (not gummy).

Sticky rice is better with Asian recipes.  My kids and Charlie prefer it if
we are eating plain white rice.  They top it with soy sauce no matter what
its served with.

Note you can use any measure in the above, just so its 2 -1.

Fried rice:

Learned this from my MIL years ago.  Put a cup of long grain rice and about
a tablespoon of oil or butter in a frying pan with a lid.  Saute the rice in
the oil over fairly high hear at least until the rice is translucent if you
want mild rice or until its golden.  You have to stir this while its
browning or it can burn.

Now you can add some flavors.  For yellow rice I add Turmeric and Saffron,
salt and pepper and two cups of chicken broth.  Turn down to low, cover and
cook for twenty minutes.

For Chinese style fried rice I add two cups of chicken for beef broth, a
tablespoon of soy sauce and a few cut up veggies, such as julienne carrots
or zucchini, or celery, cut up peppers (Green or Red or Yellow) and or
sliced green onions.  Maybe some oyster sauce if you have it.  Reduce heat,
cover and cook for twenty minutes.

You can make a pretty good Spanish or Mexican flavored rice this way, by
adding some tomato paste or cooked diced tomatoes with the liquid, but I
tend to season that with whatever looks good that day.  Probably onion and
garlic powder and cumin.  Or fresh cilantro,

The main thing is turn down the heat as soon as it boils and turn off the
heat as soon as its done.

Jo
Stormmee - 04 Mar 2008 19:10 GMT
we have a dedicated rice cooker and a separate steamer that would do rice...
I love them both, I hate to cook and don't mind using either... Gramby has
one like you are talking about, Lee
On Feb 29, 4:39 pm, "jofirey" <jofi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "jmcquown" <j_mcqu...@comcast.net> wrote in message
>
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> >> LOL, I love to cook, but I haven't learned gourmet like Jill and some
> >> others. The worst problems I have with my current kitchen is the lack
of
> >> counter space, lack of pantry, inability to store dishes, pots, and pans
> >> where I want them. and the linoleum selected, I'm sure, by some guy who
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> > don't like care for "cold food", either. No cold pizza for breakfast for
> > this gal! Sandwiches must be hot, preferably on toasted buttered bread.
I
> > don't do potato salad or cole slaw and in fact have a very strong dislike
> > of the most of condiments (mustard, ketchup, mayo).
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> My mother never met a kitchen gadget she didn't at least want to try. No
> way to keep them all in the kitchen. She had restaurant type shelves in
the
> basement for them.
>
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>
> Jo- Hide quoted text -

I know it's even further OT, but since the subject came up, do you
have a rice cooker in your
basement collection of small appliances? I hate to buy something else
to store, but I'm considering
one, and wonder how well they work. We like rice, and I suck at
cooking it. It always turns out gummy.
This little appliance also steams vegetables, and I think I'd use that
often, too, so maybe it wouldn't end
up shoved to the back of the pantry floor.
Sherry
Marina - 01 Mar 2008 06:32 GMT
>  I can't
> stand raw vegetables (it's a texture thing rather than taste for me).  I
> don't like care for "cold food", either.  No cold pizza for breakfast
> for this gal! Sandwiches must be hot, preferably on toasted buttered
> bread.  I don't do potato salad or cole slaw and in fact have a very
> strong dislike of the most of condiments (mustard, ketchup, mayo).

Talk about different strokes for different folks! I would die if I
couldn't have lots of raw veggies and fruit every day. :) It's hard to
find good, fresh ones this time of year in Finland, but I just have to
rely on imports.

Signature

Marina, Miranda and Caliban. In loving memory of Frank and Nikki.

jmcquown - 01 Mar 2008 10:23 GMT
>>  I can't stand raw vegetables (it's a texture thing rather than taste for
>> me).  I don't like care for "cold food", either.  No cold pizza for
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> find good, fresh ones this time of year in Finland, but I just have to
> rely on imports.

Oh, don't get me wrong.  I buy raw veggies!  I just can't stand to eat them
raw.  I eat more (cooked) vegetables than a lot of my green-leafer friends.
They may chow down on different types of lettuce and fresh greens splashed
with olive oil and balsamic.  But just try to get them to eat cooked
broccoli, cauliflower, lima beans, green beans, cabbage, brussels sprouts,
spinach, peas, artichokes, all kinds of squash - winter and summer -
potatoes, of course. Heh.  Funny how the raw veggie crowd dislikes so many
of the cooked veggies I love.  Peaches, my lovebird, loves carrots.  They
are far too sweet for me (raw or cooked).  I do add them to stews because
some people really like carrots.

Fruits - again, it's a texture thing.  I can't stand biting into an apple.
Pith on citrus fruit makes me cringe but I cook with the grated zest and the
well-cleaned sections of fruit.  Weird, I know.

Jill
tanadashoes - 01 Mar 2008 17:15 GMT
>>>  I can't stand raw vegetables (it's a texture thing rather than taste
>>> for me).  I don't like care for "cold food", either.  No cold pizza for
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> Pith on citrus fruit makes me cringe but I cook with the grated zest and
> the well-cleaned sections of fruit.  Weird, I know.

Like Marina, I love raw fruits and veggies.  But there aren't a lot of
veggies that I like all that well.  Probably from being force fed them as a
kid.  Salads, beans, peas, carrots, cauliflower, broccoli, spinach,
artichokes and so forth are wonderful.  I like most fruits except apricots
(force fed again) and my biggie. . . pears.  I don't eat fruit cocktail
because one of the base fruits is pear.  I don't eat them fresh, canned,
pureed, or any other way.  Of course when I was in hospital last year, they
tried to give me pears in any form they could.  I had to write them a nasty
note on my menu choice form before they finally quit giving them to me every
day.  And they still tried to sneak them in on me every couple of days or
so.  I finally quit complaining and saved them for Rob, who loves pears.
Sigh.

Pam S
Lesley - 02 Mar 2008 15:26 GMT
.  I like most fruits except apricots
> (force fed again) and my biggie. . . pears.

Not keen on them but my biggie,,,,fruit....I just don't like most
fruit, melon and berries being the exception

then again as I discovered during a conversation with some friends the
other night most people hate....celery.

I LOVE celery! I often buy those packs of ready prepated sticks and
can sit and nibble on them for hours. They have the added bonus that
after eating celery I can't smoke a cigarette for a couple of hours
because they taste unpleasant

Lesley

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Yowie - 04 Mar 2008 10:48 GMT
>>>>  I can't stand raw vegetables (it's a texture thing rather than
>>>> taste for me).  I don't like care for "cold food", either.  No
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> Pam S

My mother hates pears and mangos. She gags at the thought of them. I *love*
mangos and a nice juicy pear is delicious. Joel prefers his pears crisp and
crunchy. Fresh apricots don't do anything for me, but I really enjoy the
semi-dried ones for some reason,

Yowie
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jmcquown - 29 Feb 2008 10:05 GMT
>> Mom's kitchen has plenty of room but if I'd been designing it it would be
>> quite different.  The island in the middle is nice but you really don't
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> Pam S, who's appliances are fairly recent except for the fridge
Oh, she's had new appliances (except for that microwave).  But the
wallpaper, linoleum and formica countertops are original.  Mom has always
hated to cook so these things are not important to her :)

I wouldn't have a ceramic tile floor, if that's what you're referring to.
It's gorgeous, but it's also a PITA to clean (the grout never actually looks
clean).  It's cold to stand on and very hard on the feet.  And it's not at
all forgiving if you drop a plate or something.  Same thing with
flagstone-type flooring.  I've read a lot of people are using bamboo
flooring in the kitchen.  I'd have to do lots of research if I were going to
replace flooring in a space this size.

Jill
Yowie - 29 Feb 2008 01:09 GMT
>>>> Some of our posts have gotten included in the wrong vein.  Like
>>>> some in depression that don't belong there. and, on the one about a
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> (probably granite).  I'd get rid of the oh-so-80's wallpaper and
> linoleum flooring.  Not sure what direction I'd go in, there.

My preferred kitchen is any that I don't actually have to do any cooking or
cleaning in :-)

Yowie
Lesley - 02 Mar 2008 15:22 GMT
> My preferred kitchen is any that I don't actually have to do any cooking or
> cleaning in :-)
>
>Mine too!

Lesley

Slave of the Fabulous Furballs
Yowie - 29 Feb 2008 01:24 GMT
>>>> Some of our posts have gotten included in the wrong vein.  Like
>>>> some in depression that don't belong there. and, on the one about a
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> (probably granite).  I'd get rid of the oh-so-80's wallpaper and
> linoleum flooring.  Not sure what direction I'd go in, there.

OMG! Some of those kitchen look bigger than my whole *house*.

Still, in none of those pictures can I see fridge magnets, bills and
pre-schooler's crayon 'drawings' on the fridge, or a place for a bowl of cat
food, or even just the signs of regular everyday domestic life in them.

They aren't the sort of kitchens that would be used by *people* but rather
by *staff*.

They are truly beautiful, but I wonder just how truly practical they would
be for an average working family.

There is no *way* would I have hte stovetop any where near the eating area
as shown on some of them. The sink, yes, but burning hot surfaces and people
eating (especially kid eating) just spells disaster. And whats with the need
for *two* ovens and *two* seperate sinks?

Now, a well designed kitchen is a beautiful thing, but most of its beauty
(to my mind) does't come from tis looks but how easy it is to use when
cooking for your own family in a normal, every day cooking occasion - *not*
how spectacular it looks for the dinner party guests.

Yowie
Stormmee - 29 Feb 2008 01:27 GMT
2 ovens are wonderful, my mom has  them and she can put in the turkey and
start baking the pies, or as happens nowadays, she puts the turkey in one
the ham in the other and makes my sister bring the pies.  Lee
> >>>> Some of our posts have gotten included in the wrong vein.  Like
> >>>> some in depression that don't belong there. and, on the one about a
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> >> (no, this isn't thread drift at all. Much :-) )
> > Saw the Top 10 Kitchens show on HGTV (Home & Garden TV) last week:

http://www.hgtv.com/hgtv/dc_design_kitchen/article/0,1793,HGTV_3375_5782239,
00.html

> > or
> >
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>
> Yowie
Yowie - 29 Feb 2008 01:52 GMT
>>>>>> Some of our posts have gotten included in the wrong vein.  Like
>>>>>> some in depression that don't belong there. and, on the one
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> turkey in one the ham in the other and makes my sister bring the
> pies.

Ah, we don't have Turkey Day here. Biggest thing I would roast would be a
leg of lamb, and there's always room to do the veggies (even if Mr Microwave
helps in that regard)

Yowie
Stormmee - 29 Feb 2008 01:52 GMT
when my mom does pork chops and rice that is in the top oven, green beans on
the stove and dinner rolls in the other oven, Lee

> >>>>>> Some of our posts have gotten included in the wrong vein.  Like
> >>>>>> some in depression that don't belong there. and, on the one
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> >>>> (no, this isn't thread drift at all. Much :-) )
> >>> Saw the Top 10 Kitchens show on HGTV (Home & Garden TV) last week:

http://www.hgtv.com/hgtv/dc_design_kitchen/article/0,1793,HGTV_3375_5782239,
> > 00.html
> >>>
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> Yowie
tanadashoes - 29 Feb 2008 05:27 GMT
> OMG! Some of those kitchen look bigger than my whole *house*.
>
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> cooking for your own family in a normal, every day cooking occasion -
> *not* how spectacular it looks for the dinner party guests.

My kids are technically adults and I still have magnets and projects
covering the fridge.  I also have a box of magnetic words that we fool
around with to make funny sentences.  Most are obscene.  I agree about
having the cook top too close to the eaters.  However, I'd love to have two
ovens and two sinks.  Sometimes I need to use a sink while Mandy is washing
dishes in it.  Problem.  Sometimes, Holidays especially, I really need to
have more room to bake various items in.  Not only do I usually  have a ham
and a turkey in the oven, but I am also cooking green bean casserole, turkey
dressing, and have to wait until they are out of the oven until I can even
think about cooking the rolls, warming the pies, and getting all the other
things I need to cook done.  I often cook in shifts.

Pam S. who doesn't have Easter planned yet.
Granby - 29 Feb 2008 06:29 GMT
I have Easter dinner planned.  I plan to go somewhere else to eat.  I did
all the cooking and clean up for almost 40 years, it is some one else's
turn!!

>> OMG! Some of those kitchen look bigger than my whole *house*.
>>
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>
> Pam S. who doesn't have Easter planned yet.
Cheryl P. - 29 Feb 2008 12:19 GMT
> OMG! Some of those kitchen look bigger than my whole *house*.

<snip>

I'm considering some work on a bathroom, not a kitchen, but during my
preliminary poking around in hardware stores, my first reaction was
'This is going to be impossible! They don't have a single bathtub
smaller than my entire bathroom!' Of course, I did eventually locate
some more normal-sized bathtubs, but the ones on prominent display were
the top-of-the-line giant ones with enormous surrounds and jets and
things. And price tags in the thousands!

I've known for years that a lot of the new housing going up were bigger,
with much bigger bathrooms and kitchens, than existing houses, but
visiting that store really made me aware of that!

Cheryl
Bridget - 29 Feb 2008 16:53 GMT
I am living for the day I can buy a house - probably about three years
from this fall. One of the things I will look for (among many) is a
bathroom that can be remodeled to include a tub the size of Texas that I
can just disappear into when I want to bathe or relax (or throw a pool
party). It is not just something I am looking for, it is one of my
requirements in the house I buy.

Bridget

>> OMG! Some of those kitchen look bigger than my whole *house*.
>
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>
> Cheryl
Cheryl P. - 29 Feb 2008 16:59 GMT
> I am living for the day I can buy a house - probably about three years
> from this fall. One of the things I will look for (among many) is a
> bathroom that can be remodeled to include a tub the size of Texas that I
> can just disappear into when I want to bathe or relax (or throw a pool
> party). It is not just something I am looking for, it is one of my
> requirements in the house I buy.

I'm more of a shower person, myself, and in some cases, I had visions of
one of these super-tubs not just occupying more space than the present
sink, tub and toilet, but sticking out into the adjoining room; I could
see it crashing through the floor to the room below! I know, I know,
floors are supposed to be nice and strong, but one of the special things
about older non-standard housing is finding out in just which ways the
long-dead original builders took short-cuts!

Cheryl (going to look at more tubs this afternoon)
jmcquown - 29 Feb 2008 22:07 GMT
>> OMG! Some of those kitchen look bigger than my whole *house*.
>
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>
> Cheryl

Mom's (master) bathroom is big.  Too big.  It has a deep jacuzzi tub which,
20 years ago, was probably appealing to her.  (Guess what?  Now it's too
deep to get easily in and out of, even for me and I'm only 47, don't
problems with my knees, etc.)  Besides, if you don't use those jacuzzi jets
regularly and clean them regularly they get chock full of black gunk.

Aside from the big tub, there's nothing in the bathroom except a toilet and
a linen closet for storing towels/cleaning supplies.  (There are twin wash
basins *outside* of the actual bathroom across from a walk-in closet.)  I
haven't measured it but the tub is at least 8 feet from where the toilet &
closet sit at the other end!  It's a complete waste of space.

If I were going to re-do this area I'd have a nice single basin (possibly a
pedestal type) installed in the same area as the tub/toilet with a mirror
above it.  I'd add a nice cabinet for toiletries and hang a vanity mirror
over the cabinet.  I'd rip out the twin basins from the area outside of this
enclosed space and create a second very functional closet on that length of
wall.  I'd want built-in racks specifically for shoes, drawers for clothing,
etc.

Jill
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 28 Feb 2008 17:25 GMT
> Some of our posts have gotten included in the wrong vein.  Like some in
> depression that don't belong there. and, on the one about a father being
> terribly ill.

So?  Obviously you've not been posting to Usenet very long! I've yet to
encounter a newsgroup where threads DON'T wander off-topic.  RCPA is
certainly no worse than others.  (Better, actually, since we have few if
any flame wars, here.)  When people have been "talking" with each other
on the internet for years, posting is like carrying on a conversation
with friends - you reply to what is said, where you read it.  Changing
the thread title is likely to lose the very people with whom you wanted
to share your comment.
Adrian - 28 Feb 2008 17:38 GMT
>> Some of our posts have gotten included in the wrong vein.  Like some
>> in depression that don't belong there. and, on the one about a
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> it.  Changing the thread title is likely to lose the very people with
> whom you wanted to share your comment.

I find thread drift fascinating sometimes, of course it also means you
shouldn't kill a thread it may get much more interesting or fun.
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bastXXXette@sonic.net - 28 Feb 2008 19:44 GMT
> So?  Obviously you've not been posting to Usenet very long! I've yet to
> encounter a newsgroup where threads DON'T wander off-topic.  RCPA is
> certainly no worse than others.

In general I agree with this. But if the topic is something sensitive,
such as announcing the death of a cat or an illness or other painful
subject, then I think it's more respectful to change the subject title
when the discussion has drifted far from the original topic. Otherwise,
the original poster has to see maybe dozens of posts saying "My beloved
[name] is gone", which, on further inspection, end up being about the
height of kitchen cabinets, or some other irrelevant discussion. (I'm
not trying to say that the kitchen cabinet discussion was disrespectful -
I just used that as an example because it was a recent occurrence of
thread drift.) I might find that a bit insensitive if I were the OP.

But otherwise, I have no problem with thread drift. If I think of it,
I do try to choose a meaningful subject line, but I don't always think
of it.

Joyce

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Yowie - 28 Feb 2008 21:20 GMT
>> So?  Obviously you've not been posting to Usenet very long! I've yet
>> to encounter a newsgroup where threads DON'T wander off-topic.  RCPA
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> I do try to choose a meaningful subject line, but I don't always think
> of it.

I often pick which threads I am going to read more thoroughly by their
'shape'. being pressed for time, I don't read everything any more - I try to
read the first post in a thread, but after that, I have to pick and choose.
A 'flat' thread is most likely everyone replying in a similar way - and I
don't need to read it. But one that has grown 'sideways' and is jagged
(meaning lot sof 'sub threads and 'sub sub threads') now that will get my
attention, *especially* if its not just two people replying to each other.
Clearly, something *interesting* is being discussed!

So far, I have yet to see one instance of insesntive thread drift. The type
of posts that announce something sad don't tend to attract alot of
conversation, just alot of replies expressing sympathy and support.

Yowie
Granby - 29 Feb 2008 04:33 GMT
Thank you Joyce, that is what I was meaning.  These people were in ICU and
...   I love the way things drift as a rule but having been where these
people are now, I just felt it was a bit insensitive and, for as long as I
have been here, over a year now I have seen only consideration shown by
everyone here.

> > So?  Obviously you've not been posting to Usenet very long! I've yet to
> > encounter a newsgroup where threads DON'T wander off-topic.  RCPA is
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>
> Joyce
Granby - 29 Feb 2008 04:29 GMT
Didn't intend to cause a "flame" thing.  All I was saying is that when these
people are....never mind either you understand what I was trying to say or
you don't.

>> Some of our posts have gotten included in the wrong vein.  Like some in
>> depression that don't belong there. and, on the one about a father being
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> thread title is likely to lose the very people with whom you wanted to
> share your comment.

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