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Granby - 26 Feb 2008 03:25 GMT
Kyla, sorry you are having a tough time right now.  I don't mean this to
sound arrogant but I don't allow myself to become depressed.  I am afraid I
would go into such a deep hole, I would never get out.  The prayer someone
sent you is what I live by.  Sometime I have the music much to loud and sing
off key but I just try to keep moving in the right direction.  I like Jazz
and no one around me does so in the summer the neighbors aren't to fond of
me.

Constant pain is a whole nother ballgame.  I am fortunately healthy as a
horse as they say.  I got the usual aches and pains for my age but, just
keep it all going in the same direction and hope it turns out good in the
end.  Sending prayers that you can crawl on top of the heap and stay
there.....Gramby
Kyla =^..^=  aka Mosey - 26 Feb 2008 06:53 GMT
"Granby"
> Kyla, sorry you are having a tough time right now.  I don't mean this to
> sound arrogant but I don't allow myself to become depressed.  I am afraid
> I > would go into such a deep hole, I would never get out.

I know what you mean and I'm not going to allow myself to get that bad.
I had a total breakdown in 76, and I'm lots better than I was then.
I'm fighting my way out of this funk, with God's help.
I'm just too sensitive for my own darn good.

>The prayer someone sent you is what I live by.

I'm so glad to hear that.
Is that the one I put here?
I went back and re-read it and it's true.

I belong to Belief.net and there are a LOT of prayers for depression.
As well as prayers for other things.
http://www.beliefnet.com/about/index.asp is the URL
It really helps me a lot.

Sometime I have the music much to loud and sing
> off key but I just try to keep moving in the right direction.  I like Jazz
> and no one around me does so in the summer the neighbors aren't to fond of
> me.

LOL, singing IS great and hey, who cares what the neighbors think?
At least you don't do hip hop or rap:)  Who do you sing?

> Constant pain is a whole nother ballgame.  I am fortunately healthy as a
> horse as they say.  I got the usual aches and pains for my age but, just
> keep it all going in the same direction and hope it turns out good in the
> end.  Sending prayers that you can crawl on top of the heap and stay
> there.....Gramby

Gramby, you are just precious.  And you're very brave too.
You're fun and active and really have a kind heart.
Thank you SO much for taking the time to write to me, for caring about me
and for just...being YOU.
And thank you for the prayers too.
Love
Kyla
Sometimes the chain breaks on my mood swing
Granby - 26 Feb 2008 09:03 GMT
BW maybe.  Kyla, my therapy is dirt.  I love to plants things, sometimes it
could be people when they tick me off.  For the past month I have been
changing the dirt in my outside flower pots, something I do every three
years.

In the summer, I do container gardening.  Grow lots of vegetables in flower
pots and watch people tall me "you can't do that" then I do it.

I guess my favorite to "sing" when I am upset is Lewi Armstrong.  I can't
"scat" (?) but you should see the cats when I try.  If I put on the very
old, very tinny sound Charlie Parker 33  1/3 I have they really run for
cover.

> "Granby"
>> Kyla, sorry you are having a tough time right now.  I don't mean this to
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> Kyla
> Sometimes the chain breaks on my mood swing
tanadashoes - 26 Feb 2008 17:19 GMT
> BW maybe.  Kyla, my therapy is dirt.  I love to plants things, sometimes
> it could be people when they tick me off.  For the past month I have been
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> old, very tinny sound Charlie Parker 33  1/3 I have they really run for
> cover.

I love Louie's version of "Wonderful World."  It is an awesome song anyway
and when he gets hold of it, shakes it and points out that it truly is a
wonderful world, well, I can't help but choke up.  I'm a classical oldies
fan myself, but the only ones who appreciate my singing voice are feline,
and not all of them at that.  I try anyway.

I'm not a dirt grubber, although I try every so often.  I write.  It may
start out with curse words on a piece of paper, but eventually something of
quality may come out of the brain and onto the keyboard.  I also cross
stitch and try to do needle point.  I'm not very good at needle point,
however my cross stitch is pretty good, though slow.  I probably finish one
project for every four of MMJ's.

I don't do depression well.  I tend to go from point A, gentle melancholy to
point T, tears and curling up like a fetus, in a heart beat.  Rob says that
life is never dull with me around.

Pam S.
Granby - 26 Feb 2008 17:32 GMT
I don't see well enough to needle point but, so do the plastic canvas thing.
I have the marks on my nose with the needle to prove it.  Oh hope no one was
drinking.

For the last 30 years I had to endure country music,  Some of it I like but
not the newer stuff where it is all about the one singing.  I liked the
story telling things.  Bob had it on day and night.  He hated Jazz and the
oldies.  It is nice to now be able to listen to anything I want. It is too
bad the video things have taken over.  You can't hear a song that lets you
put your fluffy body as the one being sung to.  There is always a skinny gal
that is beautiful.  I think people miss something that way.  Just old lady
babble.

I love Lee to death but she is one who must not have a green thumb.  She can
have an air plant die.  I offer stuff but she recoils like I popped her.

>> BW maybe.  Kyla, my therapy is dirt.  I love to plants things, sometimes
>> it could be people when they tick me off.  For the past month I have been
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>
> Pam S.
Stormmee - 26 Feb 2008 23:04 GMT
she is being kind  what she isn't telling you guys is that my mom is like
her... my loving mom once said to me that if "planticide" were a crime they
would have offed me years ago, Lee
> I don't see well enough to needle point but, so do the plastic canvas thing.
> I have the marks on my nose with the needle to prove it.  Oh hope no one was
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> >
> > Pam S.
Kyla =^..^=  aka Mosey - 27 Feb 2008 00:29 GMT
LOL
Kyla

"Stormmee"
> she is being kind  what she isn't telling you guys is that my mom is like
> her... my loving mom once said to me that if "planticide" were a crime
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>> >
>> > Pam S.
tanadashoes - 27 Feb 2008 00:33 GMT
> she is being kind  what she isn't telling you guys is that my mom is like
> her... my loving mom once said to me that if "planticide" were a crime
> they
> would have offed me years ago, Lee

Rob claims that I could kill a plastic plant.  I find this amusing, since,
pre-hubby and kids, I used to have a lot of thriving plants.  I also have a
couple of plant killing cats like Pine Cone.  My biggest problem is that I
have  to have them hanging up high in order to keep Pine Cone and Qui Gun
Kit out of them.  Being the short person with short little weebling arms
(ask Mandy, she has a comedy routine based on this) that I am, I have to get
someone else to water the plants.  Not a good thing.  I don't care how I say
it, how loud I say it, how often I say it, or how much I jump up and down
when I say it, whatever I tell them to do rarely gets done without a temper
tantrum and a tap-dance routine.

Pam S. griping
Stormmee - 27 Feb 2008 00:48 GMT
I truly killed an air fern, at least you have an excuse, Lee

> > she is being kind  what she isn't telling you guys is that my mom is like
> > her... my loving mom once said to me that if "planticide" were a crime
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>
> Pam S. griping
Granby - 27 Feb 2008 00:59 GMT
I have a sturdy 3 step stool for such things.  I know that every bathroom
mirror and all kitchen cabinets were put in by 6 foot tall men.  I was
looking today and noticed I had nothing on the top shelves.  I wish I could
design a kitchen,  It wouldn't look anything like the ones you see.

>> she is being kind  what she isn't telling you guys is that my mom is like
>> her... my loving mom once said to me that if "planticide" were a crime
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>
> Pam S. griping
tanadashoes - 27 Feb 2008 01:23 GMT
>I have a sturdy 3 step stool for such things.  I know that every bathroom
>mirror and all kitchen cabinets were put in by 6 foot tall men.  I was
>looking today and noticed I had nothing on the top shelves.  I wish I could
>design a kitchen,  It wouldn't look anything like the ones you see.

Me too, the counters would be about the same height, but the upper cupboards
would be shorter and there would be space for grow lights and a drip system
to water plants.  I figure why not make that area useful for something other
than storing those things that you must have, but never use.  Like Christmas
platters, tins, and dishes, special Jell-O molds, wine glasses for those who
never drink wine, spare salt and pepper shakers, bread makers, food
processers. and other things that you don't have room for anywhere else.
I'd also make it mandatory to have a pantry.  I have to give up a perfectly
good dish storage space for food containers.  I'd also have an island,
movable of course.  A butcher block top one with room for hand towels, a pot
rack above it, and drawers with spacers for kitchen tools so that I can find
them.  I'm not asking for much, am I?  <giggles>  Oh, and I'd get rid of
that d*mn*d linoleum and put in something practical like ceramic or stone
tiles.

Pam S.
Granby - 27 Feb 2008 01:30 GMT
With me, there would be no upper, maybe the shelf idea for plants.  All the
counters would be moveable. A pantry yet and the moveable island would be
good.  Dream on, dream old girls, like this will happen.

>>I have a sturdy 3 step stool for such things.  I know that every bathroom
>>mirror and all kitchen cabinets were put in by 6 foot tall men.  I was
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>
> Pam S.
Yowie - 27 Feb 2008 03:21 GMT
> I have a sturdy 3 step stool for such things.  I know that every
> bathroom mirror and all kitchen cabinets were put in by 6 foot tall
> men.  I was looking today and noticed I had nothing on the top
> shelves.  I wish I could design a kitchen,  It wouldn't look anything

I disagree, kitchens may have been designed *by* 6 foot tall men, but they
didn't design them to be *used* by 6 foot tall men (clearly, because a
woman's place is in the kitchen, not the man). I think they must be designed
for women who are about 5'6".

Being 6'1" myself, I find all my kitchen benches and *especially* my kitchen
sink far too low. The top shelf doesn't bother me of course.

My parents, who are 6'1" (Mum) and 6'8" (Dad) had their ktichen renovated
and asked for everything to be raised up 10 centimetres. When they asked for
quotes over the phone, most of the kitchen builders objected, citing various
buildign standards and the like. The one that got the job was the one who
instead of quoting over the phone came and actually measured the kitchen and
by defintion met both parents. He was the one who agreed that the kitchen
ought ot be raised, but said it ought to be raised not 10cm but 15cm (6
inches) so that Mum could put the flat of her palm on the bottom of the
kitchen sink without bending over (which is, apprantly, how it should be).
He's the one that got the contract, and Mum's kitchen is the only one I feel
truly comfortable (physically) working in, everybody else's (including my
own) is just too low.

Yowie
Stormmee - 27 Feb 2008 03:24 GMT
ok then we are NOT related then, Lee, short and chipmunk arms,
> > I have a sturdy 3 step stool for such things.  I know that every
> > bathroom mirror and all kitchen cabinets were put in by 6 foot tall
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>
> Yowie
tanadashoes - 27 Feb 2008 06:54 GMT
> ok then we are NOT related then, Lee, short and chipmunk arms,

I am a genetic throw back, or is that throw away?  Hubby is 6'1", Mike is
5:11",  poor Mandy is short like me, but has long arms.  She can reach the
switch on the ceiling fan to turn it off.  I have to use the grabber.  She
calls me the tyrannosaurus mom as I have normal length legs and these short
little weebling little arms.  I like chipmunk arms better, more cuddly
sounding, though chipmunks can be the meanest little monsters that ever
invaded a camp site.  I know this from experience.
Stormmee - 27 Feb 2008 07:04 GMT
that is what DH says, want a hug better be nice, but he says to would be
stupid people... don't piss her off and be in reach, Lee

> > ok then we are NOT related then, Lee, short and chipmunk arms,
>
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> sounding, though chipmunks can be the meanest little monsters that ever
> invaded a camp site.  I know this from experience.
bastXXXette@sonic.net - 27 Feb 2008 08:28 GMT
> My parents, who are 6'1" (Mum) and 6'8" (Dad) had their ktichen renovated
> and asked for everything to be raised up 10 centimetres. When they asked for
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> truly comfortable (physically) working in, everybody else's (including my
> own) is just too low.

Wow, I must be behind on this thread - not sure how we got here from
"Depression". :)

Anyway, I have two friends who had the opposite issue - they're both
pretty short. One is about 5'3" and the other is about 4'10". (Getting
out my handy-dandy conversion program... hang on a sec... that's 1.6
and 1.4 meters, respectively. Hope that's how metric-users express
height!) They didn't remodel their kitchen, but they did have their
kitchen table and all 6 chairs shortened. I'm a shortie, too, and I
really like sitting at their table!

Joyce, listening to Smudge growl at Everett - she sounds like something
out of The Exorcist.

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Matthew - 27 Feb 2008 21:05 GMT
> > My parents, who are 6'1" (Mum) and 6'8" (Dad) had their ktichen
> > renovated
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> Joyce, listening to Smudge growl at Everett - she sounds like something
> out of The Exorcist.

My mom is a short person standing about 5 foot  when I had her apartment
done I had them remolded it to whre she could reach everything  I just got
to rememebr to duck my head in some spots sine I am 6'2"
Granby - 27 Feb 2008 21:54 GMT
I don't know how we got here from DEPRESSION but am ready for someone to
change the name of the thred.  Talking about things sometimes helps and
sometimes make it worse, or so I have noticed in watching the posts here.

>> > My parents, who are 6'1" (Mum) and 6'8" (Dad) had their ktichen
>> > renovated
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> done I had them remolded it to whre she could reach everything  I just got
> to rememebr to duck my head in some spots sine I am 6'2"
Kyla  =^..^= - 27 Feb 2008 22:39 GMT
Yeah Granby, me too.  I'm feeling a little better mentally, and I want to
thank everyone for the kindness and support.
This is a great group, and I'm glad to be here.
Love
HUGS and PURRS
Kyla
--and snoozing Clowder

"Granby" >I don't know how we got here from DEPRESSION but am ready for
someone to
> change the name of the thred.  Talking about things sometimes helps and
> sometimes make it worse, or so I have noticed in watching the posts here.

> "Matthew" >>
>> <bastXXXette>> >>> Yowie < wrote:
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>> done I had them remolded it to whre she could reach everything  I just
>> got to rememebr to duck my head in some spots sine I am 6'2"
Stormmee - 27 Feb 2008 22:39 GMT
glad you are better and that is a wonderful thing, Lee
Kyla =^..^= <kyla.waterman@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> Yeah Granby, me too.  I'm feeling a little better mentally, and I want to
> thank everyone for the kindness and support.
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> >> done I had them remolded it to whre she could reach everything  I just
> >> got to rememebr to duck my head in some spots sine I am 6'2"
Kyla =^..^= - 01 Mar 2008 02:18 GMT
Thank you so much Lee..it IS good to feel better again:)
HUG
Kyla

"Stormmee" > glad you are better and that is a wonderful thing, Lee
> Kyla =^..^= <
>> Yeah Granby, me too.  I'm feeling a little better mentally, and I want to
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>> >> done I had them remolded it to whre she could reach everything  I just
>> >> got to rememebr to duck my head in some spots sine I am 6'2"
Marina - 28 Feb 2008 07:32 GMT
> Getting
> out my handy-dandy conversion program... hang on a sec... that's 1.6
> and 1.4 meters, respectively. Hope that's how metric-users express
> height!

we're usually a bit more precise. i, for example, am 1.62 metres. often
also expressed in centimetres - 162 cm.

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bastXXXette@sonic.net - 28 Feb 2008 07:40 GMT
> > Getting
> > out my handy-dandy conversion program... hang on a sec... that's 1.6
> > and 1.4 meters, respectively. Hope that's how metric-users express
> > height!

> we're usually a bit more precise. i, for example, am 1.62 metres. often
> also expressed in centimetres - 162 cm.

Thanks! I wasn't sure about that. We don't usually express a person's
height in inches, unless you're talking about a baby, so I thought the
same might be true in other countries.

Joyce
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Adrian - 28 Feb 2008 10:58 GMT
>> Getting
>> out my handy-dandy conversion program... hang on a sec... that's 1.6
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> we're usually a bit more precise. i, for example, am 1.62 metres.
> often also expressed in centimetres - 162 cm.

You're taller than me, 1.57m I won't say how wide. ;-)
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Ann - 27 Feb 2008 20:57 GMT
Yowie, There is a show on TV here in the US about a family that are little
people (dwarfs). The mother, father and one of 4 kids are little. She had
her kitchen redone with the stove, sink and some counter tops lowered. It
showed her at the store picking out the counter height and the sales person
helping to determine the correct height. Now she can cook without standing
on a stool.

Ann

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>> I have a sturdy 3 step stool for such things.  I know that every
>> bathroom mirror and all kitchen cabinets were put in by 6 foot tall
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>
> Yowie
Kyla =^..^= - 27 Feb 2008 04:59 GMT
I can't even stand up on a chair without getting dizzy.  LOL
Kyla

"Granby"
>I have a sturdy 3 step stool for such things.  I know that every bathroom
>mirror and all kitchen cabinets were put in by 6 foot tall men.  I was
>looking today and noticed I had nothing on the top shelves.  I wish I could
>design a kitchen,  It wouldn't look anything like the ones you see.

> "tanadashoes" >>
>>> she is being kind  what she isn't telling you guys is that my mom is
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>>
>> Pam S. griping
Daniel Mahoney - 27 Feb 2008 02:25 GMT
> Rob claims that I could kill a plastic plant.  I find this amusing, since,
> pre-hubby and kids, I used to have a lot of thriving plants.  I also have a

Don't feel alone. When I walk into the garden department at the home
improvement store, the plants all start to tremble.

Dan
Stormmee - 27 Feb 2008 02:31 GMT
that's only because they want YOU to take them instead of me, Lee
> > Rob claims that I could kill a plastic plant.  I find this amusing, since,
> > pre-hubby and kids, I used to have a lot of thriving plants.  I also have a
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>
> Dan
Lesley - 27 Feb 2008 10:23 GMT
>> Rob claims that I could kill a plastic plant.  I find this amusing, since,
>> pre-hubby and kids, I used to have a lot of thriving plants.  I also have a
>
>Don't feel alone. When I walk into the garden department at the home
>improvement store, the plants all start to tremble.

I was  capable of killing a plant just by looking at it according to my dad-
I even had  a spider plant wither and die under my care. It mystified him
since he was a keen gardener and every plant he looked at flourished! (No he
couldn't save the spider plant)

Lesley

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Kyla =^..^=  aka Mosey - 26 Feb 2008 23:08 GMT
"tanadashoes"

> "Granby"
>> BW maybe.  Kyla, my therapy is dirt.  I love to plants things, sometimes
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> fan myself, but the only ones who appreciate my singing voice are feline,
> and not all of them at that.  I try anyway.

I sing to my Cats, funny little songs, and they glare at me.

> I'm not a dirt grubber, although I try every so often.  I write.  It may
> start out with curse words on a piece of paper, but eventually something
> of quality may come out of the brain and onto the keyboard.  I also cross
> stitch and try to do needle point.  I'm not very good at needle point,
> however my cross stitch is pretty good, though slow.  I probably finish
> one project for every four of MMJ's.

I can kill a silk flower LOL.  I have no 'hobbies' so to speak.  I read alot
and write letters, but that's about it.

> I don't do depression well.  I tend to go from point A, gentle melancholy
> to point T, tears and curling up like a fetus, in a heart beat.  Rob says
> that life is never dull with me around.
>
> Pam S.

I'm the same way hon, and I'm working my way out of it.
My PURRS and prayers go out to you hon
Love
Kyla
--and sleeping Clowder
Kyla =^..^=  aka Mosey - 26 Feb 2008 23:03 GMT
"Granby"
> BW maybe.  Kyla, my therapy is dirt.  I love to plants things, sometimes
> it could be people when they tick me off.  For the past month I have been
> changing the dirt in my outside flower pots, something I do every three
> years.

I wish I could go out and garden, but with my bad knees, I can't.

> In the summer, I do container gardening.  Grow lots of vegetables in
> flower pots and watch people tall me "you can't do that" then I do it.

LOL.  I'll bet you have a beautiful garden:)

> I guess my favorite to "sing" when I am upset is Lewi Armstrong.  I can't
> "scat" (?) but you should see the cats when I try.  If I put on the very
> old, very tinny sound Charlie Parker 33  1/3 I have they really run for
> cover.

LOL...go get im Granby:)
HUGS
Kyla
--and Clowder

>> "Granby"
>>> Kyla, sorry you are having a tough time right now.  I don't mean this to
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>> Kyla
>> Sometimes the chain breaks on my mood swing
Granby - 26 Feb 2008 23:12 GMT
Kyla you can always put something in a flower pot and sit it on something so
you don't have to lean over.  I don't have a garden as such.  Things are
along the house, driveway and as my son often says, to a friend, move that
pot and have a chair!!  I sit them, hand them anything else.  I think my
life would change so much if I couldn't plant.  I would have to have a
balcony if I lived in the city, then, it would probably collapse from the
weight!!!

> "Granby"
>> BW maybe.  Kyla, my therapy is dirt.  I love to plants things, sometimes
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>>> Kyla
>>> Sometimes the chain breaks on my mood swing
Kyla =^..^=  aka Mosey - 26 Feb 2008 23:51 GMT
"Granby"
> Kyla you can always put something in a flower pot and sit it on something
> so you don't have to lean over.  I don't have a garden as such.  Things
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> balcony if I lived in the city, then, it would probably collapse from the
> weight!!!

LOL
I do have some lovely silk flower boquets up on a tall book case and a live
hanging philodendron in the kitchen, which DH has to water because I'm too
short to reach it.

>> "Granby"
>>> BW maybe.  Kyla, my therapy is dirt.  I love to plants things, sometimes
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>>>> Kyla
>>>> Sometimes the chain breaks on my mood swing
Kyla =^..^=  aka Mosey - 26 Feb 2008 22:57 GMT
This reply didn't show up the first time so I re sent it to you granby
"Granby"
> Kyla, sorry you are having a tough time right now.  I don't mean this to
> sound arrogant but I don't allow myself to become depressed.  I am afraid
> I > would go into such a deep hole, I would never get out.

I know what you mean and I'm not going to allow myself to get that bad.
I had a total breakdown in 76, and I'm lots better than I was then.
I'm fighting my way out of this funk, with God's help.
I'm just too sensitive for my own darn good.

>The prayer someone sent you is what I live by.

I'm so glad to hear that.
Is that the one I put here?
I went back and re-read it and it's true.

I belong to Belief.net and there are a LOT of prayers for depression.
As well as prayers for other things.
http://www.beliefnet.com/about/index.asp is the URL
It really helps me a lot.

Sometime I have the music much to loud and sing
> off key but I just try to keep moving in the right direction.  I like Jazz
> and no one around me does so in the summer the neighbors aren't to fond of
> me.

LOL, singing IS great and hey, who cares what the neighbors think?
At least you don't do hip hop or rap:)  Who do you sing?

> Constant pain is a whole nother ballgame.  I am fortunately healthy as a
> horse as they say.  I got the usual aches and pains for my age but, just
> keep it all going in the same direction and hope it turns out good in the
> end.  Sending prayers that you can crawl on top of the heap and stay
> there.....Gramby

Gramby, you are just precious.  And you're very brave too.
You're fun and active and really have a kind heart.
Thank you SO much for taking the time to write to me, for caring about me
and for just...being YOU.
And thank you for the prayers too.
Love
Kyla
Sometimes the chain breaks on my mood swing

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