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Annie W - 15 Feb 2008 23:13 GMT
In a Q&A column in Parade Magizine, a vet advises not to declaw and
gives alternative suggestions so cats can co-exist with furniture.
Refreshing, I think.

http://www.parade.com/pets/pet-chat/archive/pc_0050.html?archive=true

If the above is too long, try http://www.parade.com/pets

You should get a link on that page.

On a related matter, we will be moving to another apartment in March.
We had to pay a non-refundable $350 (total, not each) U.S. for Cinder
and Rosie.  The rental application asked us to list our pets and asked
weight, ages, neutered, and if declawed.  I answered no to the declaw
question.  Interestingly, the pet fee was the same whether they were
declawed or not and there was no limit specified on the number of pets
allowed.

The good news is that as long as a person can come up with a hefty
fee, rentals are available to people who have fully armed cats.
Personally, I think the fee should be refundable if there is no
damage.

Annie
pickles74@yahoo.com.au - 15 Feb 2008 23:38 GMT
<snip>

> The good news is that as long as a person can come up with a hefty
> fee, rentals are available to people who have fully armed cats.
> Personally, I think the fee should be refundable if there is no
> damage.
>
> Annie

I agree. I thought it would encourage people to reduce the amount of
damage or wear and tear their pets do if they could get the fee back.
In which case it would be a deposit.

Dewi
bastXXXette@sonic.net - 16 Feb 2008 00:10 GMT
>> The good news is that as long as a person can come up with a hefty
>> fee, rentals are available to people who have fully armed cats.
>> Personally, I think the fee should be refundable if there is no
>> damage.

> I agree. I thought it would encourage people to reduce the amount of
> damage or wear and tear their pets do if they could get the fee back.
> In which case it would be a deposit.

Which is what they call it. Actually, I've heard it called a "non-
refundable pet deposit" - an oxymoron.

And from the point of view of one who has somewhat destructive cats,
I probably would have felt better if I *had* put down a pet deposit,
because my cats have really wrecked the wall-to-wall carpet. Of course,
it was old and worn down when I moved in, and probably should have been
replaced beforehand. But now it's old, worn down, and full of pulled-
out threads. Go Licky.

Joyce

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Yowie - 16 Feb 2008 00:18 GMT
> >> The good news is that as long as a person can come up with a hefty
> >> fee, rentals are available to people who have fully armed cats.
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> replaced beforehand. But now it's old, worn down, and full of pulled-
> out threads. Go Licky.

Eh, I think if they charge for pets, they should charge alot more for
children. Children cause *alot* more damage to property than pets, and I
talk from experience! And yes, if said cats don't cause any damage, then it
should be refunded - otherwise, what are you paying for?

Yowie
Matthew - 16 Feb 2008 00:46 GMT
>> >> The good news is that as long as a person can come up with a hefty
>> >> fee, rentals are available to people who have fully armed cats.
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
>
> Yowie

I hate to be the bad guy and say this  "it should" be used to clean the air
system out, to clean the carpet and wipe down everything.  Just like smokers
no matter how much we love out furballs.  They leave behind hair and
dandruff which can be sensitive to non pet people.  Now if you paid for this
to be cleaned yourself, shampooed the rugs and wiped down everything and it
was clean.  Yes than the pet deposit should be returned there is no legal
reason they could keep it.
Bridget - 16 Feb 2008 05:38 GMT
>>>>> The good news is that as long as a person can come up with a hefty
>>>>> fee, rentals are available to people who have fully armed cats.
[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
> was clean.  Yes than the pet deposit should be returned there is no legal
> reason they could keep it.

This would be cool with me, but my apartment complex, has to, by state
law, strip all tile floors and disinfect them, shampoo the carpet and
paint the walls between each tenant. By the time they get done with
that, there is really nothing left but the airducts and those have been
protected with a filter to keep out hair and such. I don't see a good
reason to pay a non-refundable deposit or extra per month when there
really isn't any extra cleaning they are going to do, provided I do the
sinks and counters and fridge and stuff.

Bridget
Cheryl P. - 16 Feb 2008 11:55 GMT
> This would be cool with me, but my apartment complex, has to, by state
> law, strip all tile floors and disinfect them, shampoo the carpet and
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> really isn't any extra cleaning they are going to do, provided I do the
> sinks and counters and fridge and stuff.

And the sinks and counters and stuff would be covered by your own human
damage deposit.

I'm always a bit taken aback by the knowledge that in some places there
are special pet fees or rent. Last time I was on the rental market (and
by what I've heard since) we had no such thing like that. All wear and
tear on the apartment, whether caused by the tenant, the tenant's
children, the tenant's pet or the tenant's wild party-going friends,
were covered by the damage deposit, and if too much damage was done, by
an extra charge. Some friends of mine accidentally damaged the carpet -
the lost their entire deposit (which is pretty routine, honestly) plus
several hundred dollars for the carpet.

Of course, some owners deal with the whole pet or child issue by simply
not allowing them (well, in the case of children, they don't disallow
children specifically, they limit the people they rent to to the 'over
50' or 'senior' set). So around here, you may or may not be permitted to
have a pet in a place you rent, and if you are, there may be limitations
as to number, size or species. But there's not usually an extra pet fee
- you are simply charged for whatever damage is done.

Cheryl
Matthew - 16 Feb 2008 13:27 GMT
>>>>>> The good news is that as long as a person can come up with a hefty
>>>>>> fee, rentals are available to people who have fully armed cats.
[quoted text clipped - 37 lines]
>
> Bridget

For your area I could understand there is no reason for it as long as you do
clean up at the end.
Another reason that I refuse to ever live in an apartment again besides
being scared to death of a fire
Annie W - 16 Feb 2008 21:21 GMT
> > <bastXXXe...@sonic.net> wrote in message
> >news:47b629e3$0$36320$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
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>
> - Show quoted text -

What I didn't mention is that we also paid a $1,000 deposit for damage
and cleaning.  That is refundable and would be the same regardless if
we had pets or not.  That is why it does not make sense to charge an
additional, non-refundable amount because we have pets. At least it
should be refundable if there is no damage, especially because we have
already paid the deposit in advance for any cleaning to be done if we
don't do it ourselves.
It's interesting to note regarding the comment about smokers, that as
far as we know, smokers and non-smokers pay the same damage and
cleaning deposit.
My main point was that it's good to know that places exist that rent
to people with pets and do not require that cats be declawed.
Annie
Karen - 16 Feb 2008 02:17 GMT
>>>> The good news is that as long as a person can come up with a hefty
>>>> fee, rentals are available to people who have fully armed cats.
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
>
> Yowie

Hell, *I* cause a lot more damage than my cats. But yeah, I don't get
the non-refundable thing either, but I did the same thing. It was worth
it to me to have my cats.
kilikini - 16 Feb 2008 11:10 GMT
>>>> The good news is that as long as a person can come up with a hefty
>>>> fee, rentals are available to people who have fully armed cats.
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
> for?
> Yowie

Children *do* cause a lot of damage, but I have to say, my cats are very
good at the art of destruction, too!

They've dug a hole in the drywall in the bathroom (which we've blocked off
with a board) and they're currently working on digging a new hole in the
hallway.  (Trust me, they have toys galore, scratching posts and a patch of
sisal attached to another wall, but they prefer to destroy things that
aren't theirs.  Go figure!)  Tyrone's favorite scratching place is my
bedroom carpet and it's getting shredded to bits - literally bits; I find
sections all over the house because he bats around the pieces that break
free.  He's already displaced the carpet from the carpet tacks which makes
it an even more enjoyable experience to him because it lifts up.  Pua loves
to tear apart a chair that my husband made and shards of wood get left
everywhere in my bedroom.  Chloe prefers to carve into the kitchen cabinets
and the wood trim around the bathroom door.  Oh, and let's not even talk
about the hardwood floor scratches from the zoomies!!!!

It's like an automatic alarm to me, now.  I hear a noise, I know what it is
and I know who's doing it.  If I'm sleeping, the sound actually wakes me up.
LOL.  I can be staring at the computer, hear something, not even turn
around, and say, "Chloe, quit it!"  The noise stops.

Cats are such funny little creatures, aren't they?  They can drive you
absolutely crazy, but when they snuggle up to you and purr, any sort of
anger you may have had at them just melts away.  I will never, ever have a
cat-less household.  I love the little dears, destructive or not.  And,
luckily, so does my husband - who is the one who has to fix it all.   :~)

kili
jmcquown - 16 Feb 2008 13:53 GMT
>> >> The good news is that as long as a person can come up with a hefty
>> >> fee, rentals are available to people who have fully armed cats.
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
>
> Yowie
I agree with the concept of a "kid deposit" :)  I don't have children but
over the years I've certainly been witness to destructive behavior *in my
own home* by children of friends.  I know you don't let Cary run amok but
I'm truly surprised at how many parents do!

In one particular instance the woman who was my matron of honor blithely
ignored the fact that her two year old had removed an expensive hardback
book from my bookcase and was about to start ripping pages out of it!  Then
she had the nerve to get angry with me for yelling, "Tiffany, NO!  Put that
down!"

In another instance a different friend came over with her two toddlers.  One
of them found a pencil (thank god it wasn't a pen or magic marker!) and
started to draw on the wall.  Once again, "mom" got irritated when I walked
over and took the pencil from the boy and corrected him since it was obvious
she wasn't going to say a word.  Hey, I don't care what your kid does in
your home or *to* your home but they aren't going to do it in mine.

As someone else pointed out, security deposits generally cover *routine*
damage and wear and tear to rental property.  I've never moved into a rental
(be it a house or an apartment) where the carpets and window blinds hadn't
first been cleaned or replaced and the walls repainted as a matter of course
between tenants.  And in some instances I've actually gotten most (never
all) of my security deposit back.

I do *somewhat* understand pet deposits but it should be called a
non-refundable pet damage fee since we all know you aren't going to get it
back!

Jill
pickles74@yahoo.com.au - 16 Feb 2008 00:42 GMT
On Feb 16, 10:10 am, bastXXXe...@sonic.net wrote:
> pickle...@yahoo.com.au wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
>
> Joyce

Carpet, and flooring in general, is usually the first thing to go when
you have indoor pets. To be honest, if I had to rent with my animals,
I'd be quite prepared to put down a $1000 deposit as sooner or later
one of them would ruin the carpet. It's good for the homeowner in a
way, as they can claim it as a tax deduction and their house would
look better with new floor coverings.

Dewi
Lesley - 16 Feb 2008 17:48 GMT
> Personally, I think the fee should be refundable if there is no
> damage.

In the UK I've never heard of a pet deposit I don't think we have
them- landlords simply specifiy "pets" or "no pets" but most private
tenancies (not local authority or housing associations) ask for a
months rent as a deposit to be refunded in full if no damage has
happened when the tenant leaves. There's been so much of a stink about
landlords not refunding deposits even if there is no damage or
witholding the deposit to pay for damage when the cost of repairing
the damage is nowhere near the deposit  that the law has changed
recently and I think landlords have to keep deposit money in seperate
acconts through someone will doubtless tell me I've got it wrong since
I rent from a housing association (Praise be! i'd struggle to find the
rent some of my friends pay and I know they do)

Lesley

Slave of the Fabulous Furballs
jmcquown - 16 Feb 2008 19:22 GMT
On Feb 15, 3:13 pm, Annie W <annie_wx...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Personally, I think the fee should be refundable if there is no
> damage.

In the UK I've never heard of a pet deposit I don't think we have
them- landlords simply specifiy "pets" or "no pets"
(snippety)
There's been so much of a stink about
landlords not refunding deposits even if there is no damage or
witholding the deposit to pay for damage when the cost of repairing
the damage is nowhere near the deposit  that the law has changed
recently and I think landlords have to keep deposit money in seperate
accounts
(snip)
Lesley

Slave of the Fabulous Furballs

I'm in the U.S. but my lease specifically tells me my security deposit is in
a trust account and even tells me which bank holds the account.  The pet
deposit was a one-time non-refundable payment so it really should simply be
called a pet fee, not a deposit.

Jill
 
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