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Many of those who live with depression as part of their daily lives want to use something other than antidepressants to help them. Seeing the possibility of a lifetime of taking medication many sufferers of depression are turning to alternate methods. Please share your knowledge here. George http://www.best-depression-info.com > Many of those who live with depression as part of their daily lives > want to use something other than antidepressants to help them. Seeing > the possibility of a lifetime of taking medication many sufferers of > depression are turning to alternate methods. Please share your > knowledge here. > Georgehttp://www.best-depression-info.com I grew up in an era when you were told to "Stop sniveling and feeling sorry for your selfish self." I got back from 'Nam and even knew where or what it was (1961), yet within 6 years I was baranded a "Baby- killer". Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome AND having your peers hate you for things you didn't do or have a choice about... Try that for size. I meditatated did Martial Arts, had accupuncture before it was licensed, saw shrinks, drank constantly, used all the street drugs WITH heavy Jack Daniels chasers... anything to sleep without dreaming. Finally JD and Reds (Sodium Seconal) made me so homicidal I purposely OD'd on LSD in hopes of finding a better person at the end. I did, but I had a bout of kidney failure that, Thank God, has not recurred. Now I am into my work, my family and my cat collection. A cat perched on my belly and the recliner back... I'm a happy dude. Oh the nightmares still happen and I wake up in 'Nam for a minute, but not often anymore. My cure was time to get over and past the events until their relevance no longer applied... learning to forgive myself and realizing nobody knew what was wrong with me or that there was anything the matter. I don't drink or smoke or play around anymore and doubt I remember how to do it. I guess it was my mind and time that did it for me. I wish anybody else much Luck in finding their answers, if they exist. Spider > Now I am into my work, my family and my cat collection. A cat perched > on my belly and the recliner back... I'm a happy dude. Oh the [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Spider Spider, I'm glad you found something that works before it was too late. Too many people never do and either die early or suffer needlessly for a long, long time. Having cats in your life can definitely help. As can having a supportive family, for those fortunate enough to have one. But for some folks, it's still important to find a medical professional you can trust and get that medical pro to help you look into the available meds. Some of them are awful and some of them can work wonders. Unfortunately individual reactions to them vary widely, so it's nearly impossible to say how a specific med will work for you without doing some testing first. And about your service in Vietnam and the "baby killer" crap: thank you for your service. Most of the people I know (people who were there and people who weren't) say the US had no business being there and that our political leaders made it impossible for US troops to do any good. I have no idea - I was a senior in high school in '74 and didn't know enough about what was going on in the world to form an intelligent opinion. But a lot of good people went to southeast asia determined to do their best and honor their country, and a lot of them never came home. Thank you for doing your best. > I grew up in an era when you were told to "Stop sniveling and feeling > sorry for your selfish self." I got back from 'Nam and even knew where > or what it was (1961), yet within 6 years I was baranded a "Baby- > killer". Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome AND having your peers hate you > for things you didn't do or have a choice about... Try that for size. <<<<<Spider>>>>> A lot of idiots were out there in the late sixties and seventies. My hubby, Rob, is a medically retired service member and an army brat. His dad did two tours in Nam. He also got the name calling, egg throwing, and other crap. One thing though, which helped him through and that I used when Rob was in Iraq during Desert Shield/Storm. Some religious fanatics found out that Rob was in the army and in the Gulf. One of them called me up and asked me how I felt about Rob being a baby killer. I told her that I had no problems with it as he never killed more than he could eat. So they came out to my house to pray for Rob being a baby murderer and me being his accomplace. I met them at the door and was listening to them going on and on about whatever they were about. Suddenly, one of them looked under our front porch/deck. Her face went white and she grabbed the arm of one of the other three witches who were harranging me. She looked and gasped, then grabbed the third one by the sleeve and after she got a look and was backing down the stairs the fourth one, aka lead witch, took a look and turned around and almost ran for their car. In less than 30 seconds they were all gone. Curious, I looked under the deck and found, in a neat little row, Muffin's stash of dead baby rabbits. Muffin, who loved car rides, and I went to the store where I bought him a couple of cans of tuna and one of shrimp. He ate like a king for a week and I never got harrassed by the witches again. What was so ate up about it, was that Rob never fired his 38. He only loaded it when directly ordered to, and was a crew cheif on black hawk helicopters. His mission? Medevac. Transporting those injured women and children as well as our soldiers and wounded POWs back to hospitals and MASH units. If stupidity and ignorance were crimes, a lot of people would be doing time. > I meditatated did Martial Arts, had accupuncture before it was > licensed, saw shrinks, drank constantly, used all the street drugs > WITH heavy Jack Daniels chasers... anything to sleep without dreaming. > Finally JD and Reds (Sodium Seconal) made me so homicidal I purposely > OD'd on LSD in hopes of finding a better person at the end. I did, but > I had a bout of kidney failure that, Thank God, has not recurred. Rob went through his period as well. Since he was doing Medevac, it was more about the ones they couldn't save than anything else. He wanted to save them all and it broke his heart when they lost one. He made it through mainly through family support, cat therapy, and having an alcoholic as a wife. No alcohol allowed within any distance here. > Now I am into my work, my family and my cat collection. A cat perched > on my belly and the recliner back... I'm a happy dude. Oh the [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Spider Again <<<<<Spider>>>>> You done good and we are forever in your debt and the debt of those who served with you, Thank you for coming home and for fighing your way through the pain. My favorite uncle, Patrick Spiker died while on a mission on July 15, 1965. Its been a life time, and I still mourn for him. The story of what happened to him has changed so many times that I doubt if we'll ever know what really happened. We love you and thank you. Keep those kitty scritches and lovin's coming to your owners. They love you too. Pam S. Pam S said: > A lot of idiots were out there in the late sixties and seventies. My > hubby, Rob, is a medically retired service member and an army brat. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > being a baby killer. I told her that I had no problems with it as he > never killed more than he could eat./// The idiots are still around. During the first Gulf War, I was at University. I was also in the Officer Training Corps (UK version of the US's ROTC I believe) and wore a badge saying "Support our Troops in the Gulf". Some F*ckwit in the student Union bar came up to me and informed me that I wasn't welcome and then tried to rip the badge off my chest. Unfortunately for him, I have a blackbelt in Judo, and he somehow ended up with a broken arm. Even more unfortunately for him, I was surrounded by 4 witnesses who all sited me acting in self defence and he didn't have a leg to stand on when the police became involved. Of course, it also didn't help his case that he was spouting anti-war cr*p to the police and 1 of the policemen was in the Territorial Army Reserve Forces.... I don't support the reasons the politicians gave for going to war either in Iraq or Afghanistan. However, I will ALWAYS defend and support the troops 150% because they are only doing their jobs and they didn't ask to go anywhere. People have learned that saying negative things about the Armed Forces and Soldiers in my presence usually ellicits a ranting tirade from me. They've learned to keep their views to themselves. :) Helen M On Feb 15, 10:41 am, leoparduswei...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: > Pam S said: > [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > Helen M Helen, YOU ROCK!!! Thanks, Rob was one of those troops, Pam S. (North Carolina USA) > I don't support the reasons the politicians gave for going to war > either in Iraq or Afghanistan. However, I will ALWAYS defend and > support the troops 150% because they are only doing their jobs and > they didn't ask to go anywhere. And you'd support the soldiers of al-Qaida because they're just doing their jobs, too? When your "job" is taking a paypacket to blast a whole country to hell in the process of stealing its resources for your gang bosses, you're responsible and no weaseling out of it. Thousands of US soldiers have deserted from the Iraq war. They're the *only* ones we should be honouring. ==== j a c k at c a m p i n . m e . u k === <http://www.campin.me.uk> ==== Jack Campin, 11 Third St, Newtongrange EH22 4PU, Scotland == mob 07800 739 557 CD-ROMs and free stuff: Scottish music, food intolerance, and Mac logic fonts > > I don't support the reasons the politicians gave for going to war > > either in Iraq or Afghanistan. However, I will ALWAYS defend and > > support the troops 150% because they are only doing their jobs and > > they didn't ask to go anywhere. > And you'd support the soldiers of al-Qaida because they're just doing > their jobs, too? Soldiers do look different when you're on the other end of the gun, don't they? All the same, I agree that Vietnam vets were treated abominably by people in this country. After coming home from hell, they were spat on, taunted, and worse. I don't believe in the idea behind the "Universal Soldier" - he's not "really to blame". It's not his (or her) war, 99% of the time. I do not feel that anyone is doing anything to protect *me* by killing people in Iraq. I'm sorry, but the occupation of that country has nothing to do with my freedom. On the contrary, they have made my world, and the rest of the world, a lot more dangerous. But I'm certainly not going to vent my anger about what our government and military are doing to the Iraqis, by taking it out on the people who are stuck on the front lines. Yes, many soldiers have resisted, and I am, frankly, in awe of those people. It takes a lot of guts to tell your government that you're not going to do what they tell you to do. But I'll save my anger for the people who are raking in the bucks over this war, not the people who have been forced into harm's way. Joyce  SignatureTo send email to this address, remove the triple-X from my user name. > people in this country. After coming home from hell, they were spat > on, taunted, and worse. I don't believe in the idea behind the I read somewhere that the spatting thing was an urban myth. Not sure about that, as I wasn't even born then. :) > I do not feel that anyone is doing anything to protect *me* by > killing people in Iraq. I'm sorry, but the occupation of that country > has nothing to do with my freedom. On the contrary, they have made my > world, and the rest of the world, a lot more dangerous. AMEN!!!! SignatureVictor M. Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM) Send your spam here: uce@ftc.gov Email me here: pistorLITTER@BOXaustin.rr.com > bastXXXe...@sonic.net wrote: > > people in this country. After coming home from hell, they were spat [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > AMEN!!!! Not a myth, Victor. I've too many relatives who were called murderers and spat upon at various points of entry to the US. There is an episode in an old show called "China Beach," a real location BTW, where two female personel were directed to change into civilian clothing before leaving the airport. They were still egged, spat upon, and harrassed. Yes, this is a TV show, but it really was like that. Pam S Where I work, a rest area, we have seen bus after bus of young people heading for st Louis or other places and eventually overseas. What amazes me most and, I never hear about it on the news is the number of these people who have volunteered to go back a second and third time. They tell us that what we hear her is only half truth and that, in comparison with other wars, we are having far fewer soldiers killed. Not that one death is acceptable, They, the young men and women tell us that there is far more progress there than we hear about. Sort of like what one kid said, someone is afraid to say we are doing good and having a lot of success. On Feb 15, 3:27 pm, Victor Martinez <m...@nospam.com> wrote: > bastXXXe...@sonic.net wrote: > > people in this country. After coming home from hell, they were spat [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > AMEN!!!! Not a myth, Victor. I've too many relatives who were called murderers and spat upon at various points of entry to the US. There is an episode in an old show called "China Beach," a real location BTW, where two female personel were directed to change into civilian clothing before leaving the airport. They were still egged, spat upon, and harrassed. Yes, this is a TV show, but it really was like that. Pam S We should NOT even be over in Iraq!! War sucks big time. Kyla "Granby" > Where I work, a rest area, we have seen bus after bus of young people > heading for st Louis or other places and eventually overseas. What amazes [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > Pam S I'm going thru a bout of depression ATM and I'm fighting it as best I can. I'm depressed because I think Mosey might be sick again. I'm depressed about all the Cats that have gone to RB this year and for their hoomins. I'm depressed because my Mom's birthday is April 1 and she passed away late last August and I miss her SO much. I'm depressed because of all the war and trauma going on in the World. I'm depressed because I can't help people who need it. I'm depressed about waking up every day in intense pain from my knees. I'm depressed because I don't qualify for Disibality I'm depressed because of all the bad things going on. I'm depressed because...of alot of things that I can't do anything about So what I do is keep my Faith and keep praying I LOVE you all Bless your kind hearts Kyla --weeping now Just some things that help me deal with depression. Paxil (I believe in giving credit where credit is due) Learning to see the bright and shinning things. To really see them. An example, my computer room, aka the living room is a dusty mess. But outside the window the sun in shinning. I choose not to pay attention to the fact that the window could use washing. There are two puppies growling between my feet. (I can check later to see if they left any gifts in the corner) They are so small and so cute when they play fight. Earlier the smallest one found a nice enclosed cat bed to nap in. That was great for an hour. Then the cat (Molly) came in and claimed her bed. Puppy got a rump full of claws when she tried to take it back. She doesn't know she looks like an overgrown rat. But there is a brain in her tiny little head. Next time I saw her she was napping in the center of Kayla's bed in Kayla's crate. Ain't no cats coming in there after her. There are half a dozen Christmas ornaments sitting about that missed the post Christmas put away. Pretty. Lots of cookbooks on the shelves. Could be thousands of wonderful meals worth. Family pictures. Some of them died in the past few years, but I've reached the point where I mostly smile when I remember them. And where I remember them young and well. And there is a vase of sunflowers on the shelf. Wrong season for them. They will go back in the dinning room when summer comes. But now they are bright and pretty just for me. Then there are memories. Old memories of course. But I try to notice the new ones and treasure them as well. Like the glorious rainbow I saw Friday at the end of a stormy day. Sure was a better memory to polish than the traffic jam I was sitting in at the time. Take time to treasure the gifts. Jo > I'm going thru a bout of depression ATM and I'm fighting it as best I can. > I'm depressed because I think Mosey might be sick again. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Kyla > --weeping now > Just some things that help me deal with depression. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > outside the window the sun in shinning. I choose not to pay > attention to the fact that the window could use washing. The Yowlet just noticed the dust motes in the air. He called them "Sunshine Fuzzies" and gave me some to put in my pocket. He said I could take them out at work and see Sunshine Fuzzies whenever I needed cheering up. Lucky I didn't turn into a pool of sobbing blubber right there and then. The Yowlet is growing into a wonderfully sweet and sensitive little boy. (Of course, jsut as I think butter wouldn't melt in his mouth, he'll proudly show me a finger full of snot. And before I can get a tissue to it, he'll wipe it on my shirt and then run away giggling madly while I do the 'gross dance'. Sensitive, yes, but still very much a *boy*) Yowie >> Just some things that help me deal with depression. >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > take them out at work and see Sunshine Fuzzies whenever I needed cheering > up. Awwwww, that is so cute, and thoughtful:) > Lucky I didn't turn into a pool of sobbing blubber right there and then. Yup, I keep a 'weeping' hanky in my purse for IF I need it. > The Yowlet is growing into a wonderfully sweet and sensitive little boy. > (Of course, jsut as I think butter wouldn't melt in his mouth, he'll [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Yowie He sounds like such a love, and quite a character :) Thank you for your kind, caring letter. You can always e-mail me if you'd like. That goes for any one here. This is such a caring group. HUG & Love to you all Kyla --off to catnap with Mosey >> Just some things that help me deal with depression. >> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > much a *boy*) > Yowie Cary always sounds delightful, I'm sure he could make even the grumpiest person smile. SignatureAdrian (Owned by Snoopy & Bagheera) Cats leave pawprints on your heart http://community.webshots.com/user/clowderuk Both my children were in the Navy. When they left home I gave them a quart jar and a teaspoon. The label read LOVE, Take 2 tsp as needed, cannot overdose. The son was on the ship the first time we were in Persian gulf and shot down those oil rigs, daughter was on a repair ship at the mouth of the gulf. Both of them said when things got rough they took the jar out and just held it. Funny thing was, their friends on the ship often asked for a "Dose" of medicine and would hold the jar for a few seconds. Yowie, treasure those moments sometimes, they can get you thought a lot. I was sure you were going to say he stuck the finger with the snot in his.......yew, that's too gross to even print!!!!! >>> Just some things that help me deal with depression. >>> [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > Cary always sounds delightful, I'm sure he could make even the grumpiest > person smile. Granby, that was a beautiful thing for you to do. Bless your sweet heart:) Love ya Kyla "Granby" > Both my children were in the Navy. When they left home I gave them a quart > jar and a teaspoon. The label read LOVE, Take 2 tsp as needed, cannot > overdose. [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] >> Cary always sounds delightful, I'm sure he could make even the grumpiest >> person smile. > The Yowlet just noticed the dust motes in the air. He called them "Sunshine > Fuzzies" and gave me some to put in my pocket. He said I could take them out [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Yowie Thanks for the lovely update, Vicky. Best wishes, Polonca and Soncek Yowie, that is such a sweet story. The Yowlet is a sweetheart, and also very silly..LOL. PURRS Kyla >> The Yowlet just noticed the dust motes in the air. He called them >> "Sunshine Fuzzies" and gave me some to put in my pocket. He said I could [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >> >> Yowie "jofirey" > Just some things that help me deal with depression. > > Paxil (I believe in giving credit where credit is due) Paxil didn't agree with me. Glad it helped you. > Learning to see the bright and shinning things. To really see them. I try to, I really do. > An example, my computer room, aka the living room is a dusty mess. But > outside the window the sun in shinning. I choose not to pay attention to > the fact that the window could use washing. LOL...noseprints are on my window. > There are two puppies growling between my feet. (I can check later to see > > if they left any gifts in the corner) They are so small and so cute > when they play fight. What kind of puppies are they? > Earlier the smallest one found a nice enclosed cat bed to nap in. That > was > great for an hour. Awwwwwwww:) Then the cat (Molly) came in and claimed her bed. Puppy > got a rump full of claws when she tried to take it back. She doesn't know > she looks like an overgrown rat. But there is a brain in her tiny little > head. Next time I saw her she was napping in the center of Kayla's bed in > Kayla's crate. Ain't no cats coming in there after her. I think it's great you have a Cat named Kayla:) > There are half a dozen Christmas ornaments sitting about that missed the > post Christmas put away. Pretty. LOL > Lots of cookbooks on the shelves. Could be thousands of wonderful meals > worth. I have 3 cookbooks, one from my Mom. > Family pictures. Some of them died in the past few years, but I've > reached > the point where I mostly smile when I remember them. And where > I remember them young and well. I have pix too, and when I see my family, I cry, because I miss them so much. I also lost my Dad a year ago this past January. And I have 2 younger Sisters who I haven't seeen in years, and I never get to see my 2 daughters. Family is so important. > And there is a vase of sunflowers on the shelf. Wrong season for them. > They will go back in the dinning room when summer comes. But now they are > bright and pretty just for me. I'm allergic to Sunflowers, daisies, Mums, Marigolds, anything with heavy pollen in them. So I hafta settle for Silk flowers. > Then there are memories. Old memories of course. But I try to notice > the new ones and treasure them as well. Yeah, me too:) > Like the glorious rainbow I saw Friday at the end of a stormy day. Sure > was a better memory to polish than the traffic jam I was sitting in at > the time. I've seen some beautiful rainbows too. Double ones even. > Take time to treasure the gifts. I will sweetie. Thank you so much for your kindness and caring. This too will pass. > Jo Love, and Blessings Kyla --off for a catnap with Mosey Paxil isn't the only drug out there. Trust be, it is worth trying till you find the right one when you are dealing with depression. Not just for yourself, but for everyone around you. Charlie is having good results with Cymbalta. Kayla btw is a Border Collie who has been blessed with a Siamese (Jake), a calico (Molly) and the occasional visits of my daughters Chihuahua puppies. Camille, 9 months and Bailey, 9 weeks. The sunflowers are Wally World fakes. No way I could live with indoor pollen either. Charlie never buys me a dozen roses. But he did buy and plant the dozen rose bushes that live the driveway. Trust me, you can choose what to let your mind dwell on. Its a lot of work and it isn't infallible, but it is possible. What works for me, if I find myself focusing on something negative in a dark hour. First I decide if it is something I can do anything to improve. Usually the answer is no. So then I decide to put it away and bring it out in the light of day and think about it then. If it isn't important enough to worry about in the middle of the day it isn't important enough to worry about. Then I keep a store of good things to drag out to occupy me in the bad times. The words of songs I learned long ago. The exact detail of a trip we took often as a child. Poetry and bible verses I've learned. There is a solid inventory and I figure that's what memories are for. Right now, I've got a dog asleep on my foot, and right now, that is enough. Jo > "jofirey" >> Just some things that help me deal with depression. [quoted text clipped - 82 lines] > Kyla > --off for a catnap with Mosey "jofirey" > Paxil isn't the only drug out there. Trust be, it is worth trying till > you find the right one when you are dealing with depression. Not just for > yourself, but for everyone around you. Charlie is having good results with > Cymbalta. I have tried every anti depressant there is and they've all had bad side effects. I'm so glad Charlie is doing good with Cymbalta. I looked it up on Web MD and the side effects outweigh the benefits. So I'm taking a Natural supplement that seems to take the edge off. I tried St. John's Wort for a time, but it didn't like me either. > Kayla btw is a Border Collie who has been blessed with a Siamese (Jake), a > calico (Molly) and the occasional visits of my daughters Chihuahua > >puppies. Camille, 9 months and Bailey, 9 weeks. Ohh, what a sweet Family you have. You are truly blessed:) > The sunflowers are Wally World fakes. No way I could live with indoor > pollen either. Back in 1989, we had a big back yard, some TreeRats planted some sunflower seeds and a 10 foot plant grew and had 30 blossoms, which the tree rats then consumed. I have a pix of it around here...somewhere. Charlie never buys me a dozen roses. But he did buy and > plant the dozen rose bushes that live the driveway. I love roses. What color are they? > Trust me, you can choose what to let your mind dwell on. Its a lot of > work and it isn't infallible, but it is possible. I know it's a lot of work, yes. What works for me, if I find > myself focusing on something negative in a dark hour. First I decide if > it is something I can do anything to improve. Usually the answer is no. > So then I decide to put it away and bring it out in the light of day and > think about it then. If it isn't important enough to worry about in the > middle of the day it isn't important enough to worry about. Good idea thank you for that:) > Then I keep a store of good things to drag out to occupy me in the bad > times. The words of songs I learned long ago. The exact detail of a trip > we took often as a child. Poetry and bible verses I've learned. There is > a solid inventory and I figure that's what memories are for. I've done that too. In my mind and in tangible 'things' ...like my 1962 & 1963 High School Yearbooks. Looking at those pix, what people wrote to me, and how things were then is really fun. My late Dad taught Math at the same HS I went to. *rolls eyes* > Right now, I've got a dog asleep on my foot, and right now, that is > enough. Kayla? Does she snore? Give yer fuzzy friends skritches from me. > Jo Thank you SO much for taking the time to help me thru this. You are so understanding and gave me some sound advice:) I've just decided that sometimes the chain broke on my mood swing. HUG Kyla >> "jofirey" >>> Just some things that help me deal with depression. [quoted text clipped - 82 lines] >> Kyla >> --off for a catnap with Mosey > Just some things that help me deal with depression. Here's Joyce's Cheer-Me-Up List. This list is by no means comprehensive - these are just a few things that crossed my mind while thinking about this topic. Joyce * Playing with or cuddling with my kitties This one almost never fails. I'd have to be ready for the nuthouse to be unresponsive to my furballs! * A good laugh at something really silly, such as at what can be found at: http://www.sfgate.com/columnists/carroll/mondegreens.shtml A really good belly laugh relieves all kinds of stress. * Cleaning up my apartment Sometimes my depression is *caused* by dumpy, dirty surroundings. Cleaning it up is a big cheer-me-up. * Having a great conversation with a friend (not necessarily about what's bothering me), or hanging out with a few folks. Sometimes I'm really just lonely. Connecting with people makes a huge difference. * Getting a good physical workout Sometimes depression is caused by lethargy - exercise can dispell that. Of course, getting myself to exercise while depressed can be a big challenge. :) * Rereading the birthday cards I got in 2002, after I asked people to write what they valued about me and our friendship This helps when I'm feeling down on myself. I have a stack of cards that says it ain't so! * Understanding *why* I'm depressed. If I don't know what's really bothering me, then I often globalize it to "Life sucks and I hate myself". When I figure out what the actual problem is, I realize that everything else is actually OK. (And then I can try to do something about the source of the bad feelings.) * Listening to my favorite songs Music that uplifts me... well, it uplifts me. :) Especially at top volume. * The smell of my jasmine vine Smells are very evocative... and there's something about blooming jasmine flowers that just makes me happy. * Thai salmon in coconut-peanut sauce A weird entry, I realize. But this dish once pulled me out of a very weepy state during a traumatic breakup. It was magical food! Honeychild beans or SPAM would be good in coconut-peanut sauce! > > Just some things that help me deal with depression. > [quoted text clipped - 60 lines] > A weird entry, I realize. But this dish once pulled me out of a > very weepy state during a traumatic breakup. It was magical food! <bastXXXette > jofirey <> > > Just some things that help me deal with depression. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > This one almost never fails. I'd have to be ready for the > nuthouse to be unresponsive to my furballs! True, so true:) > * A good laugh at something really silly, such as at what can > be found at: > http://www.sfgate.com/columnists/carroll/mondegreens.shtml > > A really good belly laugh relieves all kinds of stress. They say laughter is the best medicine. > * Cleaning up my apartment > > Sometimes my depression is *caused* by dumpy, dirty surroundings. > Cleaning it up is a big cheer-me-up. Cleaning for me is hopeless...I'm a clutterbug. > * Having a great conversation with a friend (not necessarily about > what's bothering me), or hanging out with a few folks. I have ONE in real life friend and don't talk to him too much. I only hang out with other folks here when there is an event at The Clubhouse in the complex where we live and no one is very friendly! > Sometimes I'm really just lonely. Connecting with people makes a > huge difference. I prefer to 'connect' online:) I kicked 2 women friends outta my life for swiping my pain meds, this was over a year ago. > * Getting a good physical workout > > Sometimes depression is caused by lethargy - exercise can dispell > that. Of course, getting myself to exercise while depressed can > be a big challenge. :) That is impossible for me, with my bad knees:( > * Rereading the birthday cards I got in 2002, after I asked people > to write what they valued about me and our friendship > > This helps when I'm feeling down on myself. I have a stack of > cards that says it ain't so! I keep cards and things people have sent me from the Floyd ng that I look at every once in awhile. And I keep cards and letters from my family. > * Understanding *why* I'm depressed. That's a biggie, innit? > If I don't know what's really bothering me, then I often > globalize it to "Life sucks and I hate myself". When I figure > out what the actual problem is, I realize that everything else > is actually OK. (And then I can try to do something about the > source of the bad feelings.) There ya go:) > * Listening to my favorite songs > > Music that uplifts me... well, it uplifts me. :) Especially at top > volume. For me, that's Pink Floyd > * The smell of my jasmine vine > > Smells are very evocative... and there's something about blooming > jasmine flowers that just makes me happy. Jasmine is yummy smelling. So are Hyacinths:) > * Thai salmon in coconut-peanut sauce > > A weird entry, I realize. But this dish once pulled me out of a > very weepy state during a traumatic breakup. It was magical food! Oh drooool...I love salmon, covered in orange juice HUG Kyla " Kyla =^..^= aka Mosey" <kyla.waterman@comcast.net> wrote in >> Music that uplifts me... well, it uplifts me. :) Especially at top >> volume. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Jasmine is yummy smelling. So are Hyacinths:) It was interesting to see you mention these two things. Music always was and always will be one of the most important things in my life and P.F. will always be one of my favorite things to listen to but what struck me about your mention of that followed by the scent thing is I always say that for me Floyd is a better memory trigger than smell is most of the time. Andy >" Kyla =^..^= aka Mosey" <kyla.waterman@comcast.net> wrote in > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > that > for me Floyd is a better memory trigger than smell is most of the time. I"m an old hippie wanna be. I've got Peter, Paul, and Mary on the MP3 right now. Pam S "tanadashoes" > > "Outsider" >>" Kyla =^..^= >> [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Pam S LOL Kyla >>" Kyla =^..^= aka Mosey" <kyla.waterman@comcast.net> wrote in >> [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Pam S Nothing wrong with that! "Outsider" < >" Kyla =^..^= > > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Andy All I can say is...wow:) What's your favorite Floyd ?? I love Dark Side of the Moon. Kyla > "Outsider" < >>" Kyla =^..^= > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Kyla It's very hard for me to answer "favorite album" or even favorite group questions. With Floyd, every time I listen to an album I say "This is their best album!" I love Dark Side and Atom Heart mother and Meddle and The Wall and obscured by clouds... oh great, I am gonna name every album if I let myself. I saw them in Radio City just as D.S.O.T.M. came out and they opened with obscured by clouds and did some of the things that released as singles and did all of Dark Side as well as a lot of other things. It started at about 1:30AM and they played for three hours or maybe more (pun not intended). It was the best concert I even saw. That is fair since years later in Jersey City I saw them with the worst concert I ever saw. Bad sound, broken special effects, too crowded (it was outdoors) but I think the city caused much of the trouble. Andy "Outsider" >" Kyla =^..^=" > >> "Outsider" < >>>" Kyla =^..^= > [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > > Andy Hmmmmm, could be. I just saw the Floyd concert in 1994. Missed the 1987 concert in Seattle due to lack of finances. Oh well, at least I got to see them once:) And it was THE best concert I've ever been to. Kyla I just saw the Floyd concert in 1994. Thanks for bringing up a nice memory! I saw them on the "Animals" tour in 1976 (I think). It was rumoured they were going to play for ages and I had promised a friend I would take her for her birthday when they did. So when I picked up my weekly "Melody Maker" and it just said to send off a cheque with an SAE I did at once! The next week it was annouced there had been so many applications for tickets they were going to have a draw to see who got tickets I was well annoyed! About a month later, I got my SAE back and someone had written "2" on the back so I opened it and two tickets fell out, good seats as well The same day I saw my friend, she was at one end of the corridor about to go into class and I was at the other end and I remember yelling at her "I GOT THEM! I GOT THEM!" And she screamed back "YOU GOT THE FLOYD TICKETS?" "YES! I GOT THEM! AND THEY'RE F^^^ING GREAT SEATS" So she ran up the corridor and I ran down it and we met in the middle , hugging each other and dancing round the corridor chanting "we're going to the Floyd! We're going to the Floyd!" until her tutor came up and politely pointed out that yes, this was good news but would she please come into class? An amazing gig! Lesley Slave of the Fabulous Furballs > It was interesting to see you mention these two things. Music always was > and always will be one of the most important things in my life and P.F. > will always be one of my favorite things to listen to but what struck me > about your mention of that followed by the scent thing is I always say that > for me Floyd is a better memory trigger than smell is most of the time. And that's saying something, because neurology experts are always saying that our scent center (scenter center?) in our brain is right next to the memory center of the brain, so smell is the most evocative of memories, among all the senses. (Apologies for the bad sentence - I think you know what I mean!) Joyce SignatureTo send email to this address, remove the triple-X from my user name. > > It was interesting to see you mention these two things. Music > > always was and always will be one of the most important things in my [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Joyce I had some extra help imprinting those memories with the music. Ahem. A "Outsider" <... > bastXXXette: > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > A LOL...mee too Kyla " Kyla =^..^=" <kyla.waterman@comcast.net> wrote in news:hr- dnfUewPMdfljanZ2dnUVZ_hSdnZ2d@comcast.com: > "Outsider" <... >> bastXXXette: [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Kyla Stuff happens. >>> It was interesting to see you mention these two things. Music >>> always was and always will be one of the most important things in my [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >> next to the memory center of the brain, so smell is the most evocative >> of memories, among all the senses. I have very strong reactions to some hospital smells, from the amount of surgery I had as a small child. They get triggered less often now since the chemicals involved (like ether) aren't often used any more and hospitals don't have kitchens these days. > I had some extra help imprinting those memories with the music. Ahem. I tried listening to them on acid in the 70s. They managed to make the experience rather boring. Bach, Mahler and Stockhausen all worked better. ==== j a c k at c a m p i n . m e . u k === <http://www.campin.me.uk> ==== Jack Campin, 11 Third St, Newtongrange EH22 4PU, Scotland == mob 07800 739 557 CD-ROMs and free stuff: Scottish music, food intolerance, and Mac logic fonts >>>> It was interesting to see you mention these two things. Music >>>> always was and always will be one of the most important things in [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > the experience rather boring. Bach, Mahler and Stockhausen all > worked better. There is very little music that can make any experience boring for me. "Outsider" < > Jack Campin - > >>>>> It was interesting to see you mention these two things. Music [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > There is very little music that can make any experience boring for me. I can't listen to rap or hip hop. "Jack Campin - > I have very strong reactions to some hospital smells, from the amount > of surgery I had as a small child. They get triggered less often now > since the chemicals involved (like ether) aren't often used any more > and hospitals don't have kitchens these days. There's a hospital in Kent, near me, Valley General Hospital,,that has a wonderful kitchen...and menu's to boot. Geez, you can order salmon if you want. I used to be in the hospital for a time when my thyroid went nuts and also because of my knees. I spent a lot of time at Valley . And I always gave people I came in contact with a 23rd Psalm card. >> I had some extra help imprinting those memories with the music. Ahem. > > I tried listening to them on acid in the 70s. They managed to make > the experience rather boring. Bach, Mahler and Stockhausen all > worked better. LOL Kyla > ==== j a c k at c a m p i n . m e . u k === <http://www.campin.me.uk> > ==== > Jack Campin, 11 Third St, Newtongrange EH22 4PU, Scotland == mob 07800 739 > 557 > CD-ROMs and free stuff: Scottish music, food intolerance, and Mac logic > fonts <bastXXXette > Outsider : > > It was interesting to see you mention these two things. Music always > > was [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Joyce Good info to know Joyce, thanks:) Love Kyla >> Sometimes depression is caused by lethargy - exercise can dispell >> that. Of course, getting myself to exercise while depressed can >> be a big challenge. :) > That is impossible for me, with my bad knees:( Have you tried swimming? Not that you asked for my advice, and for all I know, you're perfectly happy with your amount of exercising. But I just thought I'd mention it, because people I've known who have bad knees swear by swimming pools. > > * Listening to my favorite songs > > > > Music that uplifts me... well, it uplifts me. :) Especially at top > > volume. > For me, that's Pink Floyd I don't have a single group I listen to - I just like a whole bunch of different songs, by all sorts of obscure groups. Joyce SignatureTo send email to this address, remove the triple-X from my user name. bastXXXette@sonic.net wrote in news:47c5236c$0$36389 $742ec2ed@news.sonic.net: > >> Sometimes depression is caused by lethargy - exercise can dispell > >> that. Of course, getting myself to exercise while depressed can [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Joyce I have an "album" on my music machines of assorted songs. There is about 8 hours of stuff so it takes a number of sittings to go through it all but I really enjoy when I "put it on" since there are a number of, as you say, obscure songs in there. There are also a number of very popular songs that I just happen to like a lot despite their popularity. :) Andy "Outsider" > I have an "album" on my music machines of assorted songs. There is about > 8 hours of stuff so it takes a number of sittings to go through it all [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Andy Great idea. Glad you have that:) HUG Kyla <bastXXXette> ... > Kyla =^..^= > > >> Sometimes depression is caused by lethargy - exercise can dispell [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I just thought I'd mention it, because people I've known who have bad > knees swear by swimming pools. Hmmmmm, that's an idea, but I haven't tried that yet. > > > * Listening to my favorite songs > > > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Joyce Well then, there ya go:) I listen/watch other groups as well HUG Kyla Kyla =^..^= wrote: > I'm going thru a bout of depression ATM and I'm fighting it as best I > can. I'm depressed because I think Mosey might be sick again. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > I LOVE you all > Bless your kind hearts Depression sucks. *Hugs* May I offer you this simple prayer, in the hopes that it might help some: "God grant me the serenity To accept the things I cannot change; Courage to change the things I can; And wisdom to know the difference. Living one day at a time; Enjoying one moment at a time; Accepting hardships as the pathway to peace; Taking, as He did, this sinful world As it is, not as I would have it; Trusting that He will make all things right If I surrender to His Will; That I may be reasonably happy in this life And supremely happy with Him Forever in the next. " Yowie "Yowie" ... > Kyla =^..^= wrote: >> I'm going thru a bout of depression ATM and I'm fighting it as best I [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Depression sucks. *Hugs* I know it sucks Thank you for the BIG Hugs sweetie > May I offer you this simple prayer, in the hopes that it might help some: > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Yowie Thank you Yowie for the prayer. I am a 'Believer' too and pray all the time AND I count my blessings. I have many blessings to count, and this group is one of them HUG Kyla > I'm going thru a bout of depression ATM and I'm fighting it as best I can. > I'm depressed because I think Mosey might be sick again. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Kyla > --weeping now ((((((((Kyla)))))))) Nobody can talk you out of depression, but know that you have lots of friends who care. Purrs for you and for Mosey. Joy "Joy" < Kyla =^..^= <edited stuff out> > ((((((((Kyla)))))))) Ohhhh, thank you. Hugs really help. Hug back at you. > Nobody can talk you out of depression, but know that you have lots of > friends who care. I know that now and I'm so overwhelmed. Thank you so much. I want to get out of this so I can be there for others. Like I said before, sometimes the chain breaks on my mood swing. I'll be okay. I'll keep telling myself that. :) > Purrs for you and for Mosey. > > Joy Blessings to you Joy, thank you Kyla --weeping again.. stoppit!!! go read a funny post " Kyla =^..^= aka Mosey" <kyla.waterman@comcast.net> Keeping you in my prayers and sending purrs and hugs for you Kyla. I know how you feel it is a struggle every day. This NG and my firends I have here are what keep my sane. Bw. This isn't nice but I was in a down mood yesterday but....not today. Can we take a vote on the latter part of your email Matthew? I said it wasn't nice but, can we? > " Kyla =^..^= aka Mosey" <kyla.waterman@comcast.net> > > Keeping you in my prayers and sending purrs and hugs for you Kyla. I know > how you feel it is a struggle every day. This NG and my firends I have > here are what keep my sane. You are always in my prayers Granby. You can have a hug any time you want one > Bw. This isn't nice but I was in a down mood yesterday but....not today. > Can we take a vote on the latter part of your email Matthew? I said it [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> know how you feel it is a struggle every day. This NG and my firends I >> have here are what keep my sane. I'm sorry that wasn't nice but in a better time, you would have at least smiled. Always need prayers. When I get down it is usually because there is something I need to do and can't get it done. There ought to be a law against no cab service. If there was a town that had it with 254 miles of me, I would move. > You are always in my prayers Granby. You can have a hug any time you want > one [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >>> know how you feel it is a struggle every day. This NG and my firends I >>> have here are what keep my sane. That was 25 miles of me, Piglet walked across the keyboard and I didn't know she added a number. > I'm sorry that wasn't nice but in a better time, you would have at least > smiled. Always need prayers. When I get down it is usually because there [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >>>> know how you feel it is a struggle every day. This NG and my firends I >>>> have here are what keep my sane. That was 25 miles of here. Mz Piglet walked across the keyboard and added a number which I didn't notice. > I'm sorry that wasn't nice but in a better time, you would have at least > smiled. Always need prayers. When I get down it is usually because there [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >>>> know how you feel it is a struggle every day. This NG and my firends I >>>> have here are what keep my sane. > That was 25 miles of here. Mz Piglet walked across the keyboard and added > a number which I didn't notice. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >>>>> know how you feel it is a struggle every day. This NG and my firends >>>>> I have here are what keep my sane. Granby, you know there's something wrong when you keep answering yourself. ;-D Pam S. kidding away Hey, on the other news group, I post for O. T. Mahoney, Mz Piglet, Willow and Lewi the deaf cat/ I feel like I am talking to myself anyway. Besides, when I passed 60 I earned the right to NAPS, FIRST IN LINE AT THE BATHROOM AND TALKING TO MYSELF. No problem here. ;) >> That was 25 miles of here. Mz Piglet walked across the keyboard and >> added a number which I didn't notice. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Pam S. kidding away You got dat right granby...<G> BTW, DH just fixed my cappuccino maker and I'm having a yummy Hazelnut latte he made for me:) . Now, maybe I can wake up..it's 3:30 pm here Pacific time. Judge Judy will be on soon..heh HUGz Kyla "Granby" < > Hey, on the other news group, I post for O. T. Mahoney, Mz Piglet, Willow > and Lewi the deaf cat/ I feel like I am talking to myself anyway. > Besides, when I passed 60 I earned the right to NAPS, FIRST IN LINE AT THE > BATHROOM AND TALKING TO MYSELF. No problem here. ;) > "tanadashoes" >> [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >> >> Pam S. kidding away Maybe cat miles are different to hoomin miles. SignatureAdrian (Owned by Snoopy & Bagheera) Cats leave pawprints on your heart http://community.webshots.com/user/clowderuk > That was 25 miles of here. Mz Piglet walked across the keyboard and > added a number which I didn't notice. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >>>>> Kyla. I know how you feel it is a struggle every day. This NG >>>>> and my firends I have here are what keep my sane. When you want to get from point A to point B and can't, it doesn't really matter. > Maybe cat miles are different to hoomin miles. >> That was 25 miles of here. Mz Piglet walked across the keyboard and [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >>>>>> Kyla. I know how you feel it is a struggle every day. This NG >>>>>> and my firends I have here are what keep my sane. Do cats have 'speed' ometers? Mine are always trying to run me over. And they love to ride on the seat of my 4 wheeled walker. Meows Kyla "Granby" < > When you want to get from point A to point B and can't, it doesn't really > matter. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >>>>>>> Kyla. I know how you feel it is a struggle every day. This NG >>>>>>> and my firends I have here are what keep my sane. LOL @ Mz Piglet HUG to Granby Kyla "Granby" < > That was 25 miles of here. Mz Piglet walked across the keyboard and added > a number which I didn't notice. > "Granby" >> I'm sorry that wasn't nice but in a better time, you would have at least >> smiled. Always need prayers. When I get down it is usually because [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >>>>> know how you feel it is a struggle every day. This NG and my firends >>>>> I have here are what keep my sane. I'm sorry you were in a down mood yesterday Granby. HUGS and Prayers from me to you Kyla "Granby" < > Bw. This isn't nice but I was in a down mood yesterday but....not today. > Can we take a vote on the latter part of your email Matthew? I said it > wasn't nice but, can we? > "Matthew" >> Keeping you in my prayers and sending purrs and hugs for you Kyla. I >> know how you feel it is a struggle every day. This NG and my firends I >> have here are what keep my sane. "Matthew" ... > " Kyla =^..^= aka Mosey" > > > Keeping you in my prayers and sending purrs and hugs for you Kyla. Thank you SO much Matthew:) > I know how you feel it is a struggle every day. Yes it is, and I'm sending PURRS and HUGS for you too. This NG and my firends I have here are what keep my sane. I feel the same way you do. My friends here are wonderful and help me keep sane too I love you ALL and thank you all for your kindness and concern. HUG Kyla --and sleeping Clowder > I'm going thru a bout of depression ATM and I'm fighting it as best I can. > I'm depressed because I think Mosey might be sick again. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Kyla > --weeping now Hi Kyla My husband suffers with deep depressions, he always has, even as a small boy. (He tells me he was one once although it's hard to believe that when he stands there 6 foot 2 inches tall and rather overweight) However I digress. When he is really down I tell him that I understand it's like a deep, dark, spiral that drags you in and down but that although he feels that there's no way back, I'm reaching down to hold him and if he'll grab my arm I can pull him back up, even if it's slow I'm not letting go and he will come back up. I've been on this newsgroup a very long time (although I don't have a cat at the moment I'm still here reading and keeping up with what's going on) and I can tell you that you have so many arms reaching down to you, you can't fail to come back up. So grab those arms. Hugs Judith SignatureJudith Latham Stourbridge, West Midlands. UK. > Hi Kyla > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Judith It's nice to hear from you again, Judith. We are sending lots and lots of purrs for your husband to feel better, Polonca and Soncek "polonca12000" > It's nice to hear from you again, Judith. > We are sending lots and lots of purrs for your husband to feel better, > Polonca and Soncek And I'm also sending lots and lots of purrs for your husband too Kyla > > Hi Kyla > > > > My husband suffers with deep depressions, he always has, even as a > > small boy. (He tells me he was one once although it's hard to believe > > that when he stands there 6 foot 2 inches tall and rather overweight) > > However I digress. Snipped.... > > Hugs > > > > Judith > It's nice to hear from you again, Judith. > We are sending lots and lots of purrs for your husband to feel better, > Polonca and Soncek Thank you polanca. It's nice to know I'm remembered. Judith SignatureJudith Latham Stourbridge, West Midlands. UK. > Hi Kyla Hi Judith > My husband suffers with deep depressions, he always has, even as a small > boy. (He tells me he was one once although it's hard to believe that when > he stands there 6 foot 2 inches tall and rather overweight) However I > digress. My DH too suffers from depression for a lot of years now. > When he is really down I tell him that I understand it's like a deep, > dark, spiral that drags you in and down but that although he feels that > there's no way back, I'm reaching down to hold him and if he'll grab my > arm I can pull him back up, even if it's slow I'm not letting go and he > will come back up. Good idea you have there. I hug my DH too, and tell him it'll be okay. He's having a 'sad' day today. So I hugged him lots. > I've been on this newsgroup a very long time (although I don't have a cat > at the moment I'm still here reading and keeping up with what's going on) > and I can tell you that you have so many arms reaching down to you, you > can't fail to come back up. So grab those arms. Thank you Judith...I will. And I'll be okay, I HAVE to be okay! Thank you so much. Are you going to get a kitty? > Hugs > > Judith HUGS Kyla > > Hi Kyla > Hi Judith [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > that when he stands there 6 foot 2 inches tall and rather overweight) > > However I digress. > My DH too suffers from depression for a lot of years now. > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > grab my arm I can pull him back up, even if it's slow I'm not letting > > go and he will come back up. > Good idea you have there. I hug my DH too, and tell him it'll be okay. > He's having a 'sad' day today. So I hugged him lots. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > going on) and I can tell you that you have so many arms reaching down > > to you, you can't fail to come back up. So grab those arms. > Thank you Judith...I will. And I'll be okay, I HAVE to be okay! Thank > you so much. Are you going to get a kitty? > > > > Hugs > > > > Judith > HUGS > Kyla Hi Kyla Hugs are good too but sometimes my DH is like a little boy about to be kissed by an Aunt, you know, the Gerroff attitude. We lost our last cat nearly three years ago, it hurt us too much to get another straight away as we had done with our previous cat, Sweeper. We have gone to look for another several times in the last year but as we are allergic to cats (yes I know) we have to get the right one. I'm going to look again soon. Judith SignatureJudith Latham Stourbridge, West Midlands. UK. "Judith Latham" Kyla =^..^= <kyla.waterman@comcast.net> wrote: >> > Hi Kyla >> Hi Judith [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > Hugs are good too but sometimes my DH is like a little boy about to be > kissed by an Aunt, you know, the Gerroff attitude. My husband says my hugs bring him out of his down in the dumps. He's a good hugger back..we love to hug in our big bed. > We lost our last cat nearly three years ago, it hurt us too much to get > another straight away as we had done with our previous cat, Sweeper. We [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Judith I'm so sorry about you losing your last cat. And I'm sorry you're allergic to them. I am too, but that doesn't stop me from keeping them around. I'd rather sneeze than be without them. PUUUUUUURS Kyla Kyla =^..^= wrote: > I'm going thru a bout of depression ATM and I'm fighting it as best I can. > I'm depressed because I think Mosey might be sick again. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Kyla > --weeping now Lots and lots of purrs and hugs for you, Kyla, Polonca and Soncek <editing depressing stuff> > Lots and lots of purrs and hugs for you, Kyla, > Polonca and Soncek Thank you SO much sweetie. They DO help..a LOT:) HUG Kyla "Victor Martinez" ... >> people in this country. After coming home from hell, they were spat >> on, taunted, and worse. I don't believe in the idea behind the > > I read somewhere that the spatting thing was an urban myth. Not sure about > that, as I wasn't even born then. :) It was no myth. Our poor soldiers were treated like scum when they got home. That is sick and wrong! Bless their hearts. >> I do not feel that anyone is doing anything to protect *me* by >> killing people in Iraq. I'm sorry, but the occupation of that country >> has nothing to do with my freedom. On the contrary, they have made my >> world, and the rest of the world, a lot more dangerous. > > AMEN!!!! Yes, AMEN!!! Kyla > I read somewhere that the spatting thing was an urban myth. Not sure > about that, as I wasn't even born then. :) > Victor M. Martinez It is not an urban myth. It happened to Jim in 1968 when he set foot on U.S. soil at the Seattle airport. He says that it was a good thing that he was not armed because reflex caused him to reach for a weapon. I didn't see it because I was waiting at the L.A. airport with his parents and our baby daughter, and he was in Seattle only long enough to change planes. Annie <annie.> On Feb 15, 2:27 pm, Victor Martinez > I read somewhere that the spatting thing was an urban myth. Not sure > about that, as I wasn't even born then. :) > Victor M. Martinez It is not an urban myth. It happened to Jim in 1968 when he set foot on U.S. soil at the Seattle airport. He says that it was a good thing that he was not armed because reflex caused him to reach for a weapon. That is so sick, sad, and wrong and I apologize for the City of Seattle for that outburst of cruelty. I didn't see it because I was waiting at the L.A. airport with his parents and our baby daughter, and he was in Seattle only long enough to change planes. Annie I live near the Seattle Airport and we're usually pretty mild-mannered people here. I've been here since 76. I'm so sorry he had to go thru that. I really am. God bless him for the hell he went thru for our Country. Loves and HUGS Kyla > But I'm certainly not going to vent my anger about what our government > and military are doing to the Iraqis, by taking it out on the people > who are stuck on the front lines. Yes, many soldiers have resisted, > and I am, frankly, in awe of those people. It takes a lot of guts to > tell your government that you're not going to do what they tell you to > do. As any German who lived through WW2 can testify! Germany was a civilized country, and supposedly had become a democracy - until Hitler and his gang of thugs took over. Unfortunately - much like many Americans, today - the average person thought most of Hitler's ranting was mere rhetoric, and ignored the destruction of their liberties. By the time they realized what was happening, it was too late. Much easier, by then, to keep your mouth shut and stay off the government's radar. We all like to THINK we would behave more courageously in that situation, but face it - how many Americans are protesting the destruction of our Constitutional rights now, and how many are simply closing their eyes and pretending to believe Bush when he claims to be fighting "domestic terrorism", when he is really creating it? > All the same, I agree that Vietnam vets were treated abominably by > people in this country. > Joyce They were but very few were spat on. They were mostly ignored. They were ignored by the same people who sent them, the people in government, the people who shou |
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