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Poor Licky (kind of a GW)

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bastXXXette@sonic.net - 08 Feb 2008 01:48 GMT
Last night I changed the cat litter, and was soaking the box in
disinfectant before putting the new litter in. But just after I'd
finished and there was fresh litter in the box, Licky suddenly let
out a series of loud wails, and looked up at me with great alarm.
Usually he only does this when he's frightened, but nothing was
going on at that moment that I could identify as scary, even to
scaredy-cat Mr. Licks. So I stood there, asking "What's wrong,
Licky? Are you OK? What's the matter, sweetie" etc. And all of
a sudden, I noticed that he was squatting in pooping position. Sure
enough, he was pooping on my bedroom carpet. It was diarrhea.

I don't think he gets that very often because it would show up in
the litter box, wouldn't it? Most of the poops I see in the box are
solid and normal-looking. This was very mucus-y.

I don't know if this happened because he has a medical problem,
related to why he kept going and standing in the box the other day.
(He wasn't doing it as much yesterday.) Or maybe he's having a reaction
to one of his meds? One of them is an antibiotic, which can certainly
cause diarrhea, but I thought it would take more than two days for
that to happen. Or maybe this was just fallout from all the stress of
being taken to TED? Maybe he got cramps just before having to go, and
that's why he was yowling?

It could also be that he was upset about there not being a litter box
available when he had to go. (The other box is shut in the office with
the foster kitten.) And he couldn't hold it. He probably didn't realize
that the litter box was ready since I had just finished seconds before
this happened. Poor boy!

Anyway, I'm calling the vet even as I'm typing this, so I'll post again
afterwards, if there's anything to report.

Joyce

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Kreisleriana - 08 Feb 2008 01:59 GMT
> Last night I changed the cat litter, and was soaking the box in
> disinfectant before putting the new litter in. But just after I'd
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>
> Joyce

Poor boy!  Poor carpet!  Sending him (and you) puurs.  Please keep us
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bastXXXette@sonic.net - 08 Feb 2008 02:13 GMT
> Poor boy!  Poor carpet!  Sending him (and you) puurs.  Please keep us
> posted.

Thanks! I cleaned it up right away, so there wasn't much of a stain. This
is ancient carpet and has coffee and tea stains, food stains, wine stains,
and kitty puke stains all over the apartment. I'd ask the landlord to put
in a new one, but with 3 cats, it'll just get wrecked again. One of these
days, I'll get a steam cleaner and at least it'll look a little better.
That is not a task I look forward to doing.

The vet didn't seem too alarmed. She just said to keep an eye on him, and
if he continues to have diarrhea, then I should take him in, but a one-time
thing didn't seem that worrisome to her. He's pretty normal otherwise, at
least in terms of eating and playing and so forth. He was fairly jumpy
last night, but considering all the stress he's under, going to the vet's
and there being a strange kitten in the house, that's not surprising. He
does seem to have forgiven me, and he purred when I pet him last night.

Joyce

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Marina - 08 Feb 2008 04:44 GMT
> The vet didn't seem too alarmed. She just said to keep an eye on him, and
> if he continues to have diarrhea, then I should take him in, but a one-time
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> and there being a strange kitten in the house, that's not surprising. He
> does seem to have forgiven me, and he purred when I pet him last night.

poor licky. many purrs that it was just a one-time thing.

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EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 08 Feb 2008 18:08 GMT
>  > Poor boy!  Poor carpet!  Sending him (and you) puurs.  Please keep us
>  > posted.
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> days, I'll get a steam cleaner and at least it'll look a little better.
> That is not a task I look forward to doing.

Woolite puts out a spot-cleaner for carpets called the Pod -
it REALLY works!  Obviously you can't use it on the entire
carpet, but after it's been cleaned, you might get one so
you can handle stains as they happen.  My apartment had new
carpet when I moved in, and thanks to the Pod, there is no
remaining evidence of the several hairball deposits that
occurred since we came.  Cendrillon is short-haired, but
Melisande has long, very soft fur, and can't always be
shooed to the kitchen or bathroom tile when I hear that
tell-tale cough!  (Enough that I waken in time to shove her
off of the bed before she soils the duvet!)
bastXXXette@sonic.net - 08 Feb 2008 19:10 GMT
> Woolite puts out a spot-cleaner for carpets called the Pod -
> it REALLY works!  Obviously you can't use it on the entire
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> remaining evidence of the several hairball deposits that
> occurred since we came.

I've never heard of the Pod. Is it a liquid or spray? Or a machine?
Or what? I should look into it.

Thanks,
Joyce

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Christine K. - 08 Feb 2008 19:33 GMT
bastXXXette@sonic.net kirjoitti:

>  > Woolite puts out a spot-cleaner for carpets called the Pod -
>  > it REALLY works!  Obviously you can't use it on the entire
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> Thanks,
> Joyce

The Pod:
http://tinyurl.com/2byn33

They seem to have a lot of special cleaning stuff, also specifically for
pet stains, but I have no idea how well they work...

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bastXXXette@sonic.net - 08 Feb 2008 19:45 GMT
> bastXXXette@sonic.net kirjoitti:

>> I've never heard of the Pod. Is it a liquid or spray? Or a machine?
>> Or what? I should look into it.

> The Pod:
> http://tinyurl.com/2byn33

> They seem to have a lot of special cleaning stuff, also specifically for
> pet stains, but I have no idea how well they work...

Thank you! I've saved the URL.

Joyce

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EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 09 Feb 2008 02:23 GMT
>  > Woolite puts out a spot-cleaner for carpets called the Pod -
>  > it REALLY works!  Obviously you can't use it on the entire
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> I've never heard of the Pod. Is it a liquid or spray? Or a machine?
> Or what? I should look into it.

It's a little plastic "pod" filled with liquid, with soft
plastic bristles and an applicator pad on one side, a
plastic brush with stiffer bristles on the other.  You
squeeze liquid onto the spot, rubbing it  in with the
applicator side.  After it dries, you use the heavier
bristles to raise the nap on your carpet, if the cleaning
flattened it. It's not very big - no more than six inches
square - and not very expensive.  You usually find it in
your super market on the same shelves as floor waxes and
cleaners.  I saw it advertised on TV several times.
bastXXXette@sonic.net - 09 Feb 2008 02:34 GMT
> > I've never heard of the Pod.

> It's a little plastic "pod" filled with liquid, with soft
> plastic bristles and an applicator pad on one side, a
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> your super market on the same shelves as floor waxes and
> cleaners.  I saw it advertised on TV several times.

Oh, thanks! That sounds easy to obtain!

Joyce

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polonca12000 - 13 Feb 2008 21:54 GMT
> Thanks! I cleaned it up right away, so there wasn't much of a stain. This
> is ancient carpet and has coffee and tea stains, food stains, wine stains,
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>
> Joyce

Lots of purrs,
Polonca and Soncek
Karen - 08 Feb 2008 02:03 GMT
>  One of them is an antibiotic, which can certainly
> cause diarrhea, but I thought it would take more than two days for
> that to happen.

Oh no, that can happen pretty darned quickly. Poor boy.
Mischief - 08 Feb 2008 07:20 GMT
What kind of antibiotics did they give him?  Amoxicillan and Clavamox
or Cephalexin are all broad-spectrum antibiotics, but one of the side
effects can be diarrhea.  It doesn't happen to every animal, but it
can happen.

Maybe they'll change up his antibiotics or give him something for the
diarrhea.

Hope he gets better,

Kristi
bastXXXette@sonic.net - 08 Feb 2008 18:59 GMT
> What kind of antibiotics did they give him?  Amoxicillan and Clavamox
> or Cephalexin are all broad-spectrum antibiotics, but one of the side
> effects can be diarrhea.  It doesn't happen to every animal, but it
> can happen.

I can't remember the name of it, but it was none of the above. There are
so many new antibiotics that I can't keep up with it any more.

The anti-spasm medication, to keep his urethra from closing, is called
"cystospaz". What a totally bizarre name for a medication. Not something
to give to English-speaking children. :)

Joyce
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Kyla  =^..^= - 09 Feb 2008 06:16 GMT
"Mischief" <
> What kind of antibiotics did they give him?  Amoxicillan and Clavamox
> or Cephalexin are all broad-spectrum antibiotics, but one of the side
> effects can be diarrhea.  It doesn't happen to every animal, but it
> can happen.

Thanks for the 'heads' up on that.  Mosey just had 3 fangs removed and his
teeth cleaned, and I'll write these names down and ask the Dr when we pick
him up on Sat.

> Maybe they'll change up his antibiotics or give him something for the
> diarrhea.
>
> Hope he gets better,
>
> Kristi

Love
Kyla
Mischief - 09 Feb 2008 20:26 GMT
Bear in mind, NOT EVERY CAT will react this way.  Mischief was just
fine with Clavamox.

It's just a side effect that CAN happen but doesnt' mean it WILL  As
responsible technicians they should tell you of any side effects with
any drug,   I tell them so they owner doesn't panic if it does
happen.  But honestly only every now and then will I have an animal
react poorly to it.

Hope Mosey is ok

Kristi
Kyla  =^..^= - 10 Feb 2008 01:16 GMT
"Mischief" > Bear in mind, NOT EVERY CAT will react this way.  Mischief was
just
> fine with Clavamox.
>
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>
> Kristi

They gave him VEDCO for an anti-biotic (Clinmycinotic) , 25 mg/mL liquid,
every 12 hours, starting Sunday.  The vet said it shouldn't cause 'the
runs'.

And Mosey is fine, taking a nap right now, snoozing on the arm of his
favorite overstuffed chair.  It's so good to have my baby home again, and
well and happy.  He's nearly six years old.
HUG
Kyla
Adrian - 08 Feb 2008 13:59 GMT
> Last night I changed the cat litter, and was soaking the box in
> disinfectant before putting the new litter in. But just after I'd
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>
> Joyce

Poor Licky, and poor you having to clean up. Purrs for both of you.
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EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 08 Feb 2008 17:57 GMT
> Last night I changed the cat litter, and was soaking the box in
> disinfectant before putting the new litter in.

If you use disinfectant in your litter box, be sure it's not
Lysol or any that contains pheno1, which is poisonous to
cats! They can absorb it through their skins, too.  (Even
BIG cats - I remember reading about a zoo tiger who nearly
died from lying on the floor of his cage where water
containing disinfectant had pooled after the cage was cleaned.)
bastXXXette@sonic.net - 08 Feb 2008 19:07 GMT
> If you use disinfectant in your litter box, be sure it's not
> Lysol or any that contains pheno1, which is poisonous to
> cats! They can absorb it through their skins, too.  (Even
> BIG cats - I remember reading about a zoo tiger who nearly
> died from lying on the floor of his cage where water
> containing disinfectant had pooled after the cage was cleaned.)

Hmm... well, to be honest, I do use one of those - Pine Sol. But I rinse
out the box very carefully and dry it completely, not just with a towel,
but I also leave it sitting in front of a fan for a while so that it's
really dry, before putting in fresh litter. I also wipe down the floor,
in case any of the stuff spilled while I was cleaning the box.

To clean the box, I put it in the bathtub, fill it with hot water and
a few squirts of Pine Sol, and let it soak for a while. (I keep the
bathroom door closed during this time so no cats can get in there.) When
I'm all done, I run the shower for a while to rinse out the bathtub, too.

Could it still be harmful even after all that? If folks think I should,
I can switch to another kind of disinfectant. Bleach, maybe?

I'm quite sure, though, that this didn't cause his diarrhea. He had it
*before* he used the freshly cleaned box, and I've been cleaning their
boxes that way for years, and nobody's had diarrhea before.

Joyce

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Joy - 08 Feb 2008 19:18 GMT
> > If you use disinfectant in your litter box, be sure it's not
> > Lysol or any that contains pheno1, which is poisonous to
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>
> Joyce

I think bleach would be more dangerous than Pine Sol!

Joy
Bridget - 08 Feb 2008 20:09 GMT
Actually, I don't think pine-sol has phenol in it so it should be safe -
read the label.  In any event, bleach is a much safer alternative. It is
a good bug killer, but in a few hours, it evaporates completely and
leaves no residue. Phenol residues can build up over time, it does not
evaporate and is incredibly toxic to cats.

Bridget

>>> If you use disinfectant in your litter box, be sure it's not
>>> Lysol or any that contains pheno1, which is poisonous to
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>
> Joy
bastXXXette@sonic.net - 08 Feb 2008 20:23 GMT
> Actually, I don't think pine-sol has phenol in it so it should be safe -
> read the label.  In any event, bleach is a much safer alternative. It is
> a good bug killer, but in a few hours, it evaporates completely and
> leaves no residue. Phenol residues can build up over time, it does not
> evaporate and is incredibly toxic to cats.

Thanks! I have used bleach in the past, but found the fumes a bit hard
to deal with. My bathroom has no window. On the other hand, pine sol has
a terrible odor, too, and it really lingers, sometimes even for a couple
of days. Whereas with bleach, at least after you're done, it leaves a
clean and pleasant odor, like a chlorinated pool. (OK, I find it pleasant,
I understand not everyone would. I used to swim a lot and I have fond
memories of that smell.)

Guess I'll switch to bleach, then!

Joyce
Jack Campin - bogus address - 09 Feb 2008 00:11 GMT
> Actually, I don't think pine-sol has phenol in it so it should be safe -
> read the label.  In any event, bleach is a much safer alternative. It is
> a good bug killer, but in a few hours, it evaporates completely and
> leaves no residue. Phenol residues can build up over time, it does not
> evaporate and is incredibly toxic to cats.

Chlorine bleach mixed with ammonia (as from stale urine) produces
some horrendously toxic chemicals, in the same league as WW1 war
gases.  They will disperse but it's better not to have them around
in the first place.  Peroxide bleach is much safer.

One substance you must NEVER let get in contact with a cat is the
antiseptic cetrimide (in the UK, found in Dettol and Savlon, the
two commonest household antiseptics).  Cats don't have an enzyme
needed to detoxify it and it causes horrible skin ulceration.

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tanadashoes - 09 Feb 2008 22:39 GMT
> I think bleach would be more dangerous than Pine Sol!
>
> Joy-
.

Actually, we used  bleach water in cleaning and disinfecting the cat
cages and equipment for one of the local shelters.  I usually went a
little heavy on the bleach 1/4, but it worked out well.  The only
problem with it is that some cats (and dogs I suspect) can and do get
high off of it.

I'm one of those who are allergic to the pine oil used in most pine
cleansers.  Pine Sol  is about guarenteed to send me to the hospital.

Pam S. who uses soap, bleach, and sometimes 409 for most cleaning
Granby - 09 Feb 2008 23:06 GMT
I use soap then ALWAYS rinse with white vinegar and water.
On Feb 8, 2:18 pm, "Joy" <toas...@real-me.net> wrote:

> I think bleach would be more dangerous than Pine Sol!
>
> Joy-
.

Actually, we used  bleach water in cleaning and disinfecting the cat
cages and equipment for one of the local shelters.  I usually went a
little heavy on the bleach 1/4, but it worked out well.  The only
problem with it is that some cats (and dogs I suspect) can and do get
high off of it.

I'm one of those who are allergic to the pine oil used in most pine
cleansers.  Pine Sol  is about guarenteed to send me to the hospital.

Pam S. who uses soap, bleach, and sometimes 409 for most cleaning
bastXXXette@sonic.net - 09 Feb 2008 23:15 GMT
> I use soap then ALWAYS rinse with white vinegar and water.

That's certainly the most environmentally friendly way to clean. Does it
disinfect well enough? If so, maybe that's what I should consider using.

Joyce
Granby - 09 Feb 2008 23:19 GMT
All I know is that I have used that combination forever,  Even when I had a
cafeteria at an army depot.  Sometime would use straight white vinegar on
food surfaces.  So far it has worked for me.  Piglet always sneezes when I
rinse anything in pine sol.

> > I use soap then ALWAYS rinse with white vinegar and water.
>
> That's certainly the most environmentally friendly way to clean. Does it
> disinfect well enough? If so, maybe that's what I should consider using.
>
> Joyce
bastXXXette@sonic.net - 09 Feb 2008 23:14 GMT
> Actually, we used  bleach water in cleaning and disinfecting the cat
> cages and equipment for one of the local shelters.  I usually went a
> little heavy on the bleach 1/4, but it worked out well.  The only
> problem with it is that some cats (and dogs I suspect) can and do get
> high off of it.

Wow, I didn't think it would get you high. Make you gag, maybe. That's
good to know about! When I clean litterboxes, I do it in the bathtub and
I always have the door closed so kitties can't get in and get into the
disinfectant. But the downside is that then I have no ventilation.

I've got it down to a science now, though - I fill the box with hot,
hot water and pine sol (which I will change to bleach), and then exit the
bathroom, close the door behind me, and let it soak a while. After the
soak, I go back in and immediately dump out the liquid and rinse it out
before I start scrubbing. This minimizes the fumes, at least. It would
be better if I had a bathroom window, but I don't.

> I'm one of those who are allergic to the pine oil used in most pine
> cleansers.  Pine Sol  is about guarenteed to send me to the hospital.

That's awful! I think the stuff smells gross myself, but it must be
really bad to be that allergic, especially if you find yourself in a
public building where that's what they use for disinfectant.

Joyce

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