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Cat Forum / Cat Anecdotes / February 2008Chinese Firms Indicted Over Toxic Pet Food
http://www.local6.com/money/15237498/detail.html?treets=orlpn&tid=2653055048813& tml=orlpn_8pm&tmi=orlpn_8pm_1_07000502062008&ts=H Chinese Firms Indicted Over Toxic Pet Food Las Vegas Company Charged In Related Incident KANSAS CITY -- Two Chinese businesses and a U.S. company have been indicted over the tainted pet food incidents that killed dozens of animals last year and first raised worries about products made in China. Xuzhou Anying Biologic Technology Development Co., Suzhou Textiles, Silk, Light Industrial Products, Arts and Crafts I/E Co., and Las Vegas-based ChemNutra Inc. were charged in two separate but related indictments. The U.S. attorney's office in Kansas City said the two Chinese companies and Las Vegas-based ChemNutra were charged in two separate but related indictments. The Chinese companies face 13 counts of introducing adulterated food into interstate commerce and 13 counts of introducing misbranded food into interstate commerce. I can't imagine what punishment they could get that would fit the crime. Well, I could but it would be illegal AND THEY HAVE THEIR RIGHTS! > http://www.local6.com/money/15237498/detail.html?treets=orlpn&tid=2653055048813& tml=orlpn_8pm&tmi=orlpn_8pm_1_07000502062008&ts=H > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > interstate commerce and 13 counts of introducing misbranded food into > interstate commerce. > I can't imagine what punishment they could get that would fit the crime. > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > interstate commerce and 13 counts of introducing misbranded food into > > interstate commerce. The only punishment outfits like understand/suffer from is severe depletion of the bank accounts. I hope IAMS which came through for my friend in FL for all of Odie's vet care expenses is sueing the h*** out of somebody over in DynastyLand! > I can't imagine what punishment they could get that would fit the > crime. Well, I could but it would be illegal AND THEY HAVE THEIR > RIGHTS! Not in china! >> I can't imagine what punishment they could get that would fit the >> crime. Well, I could but it would be illegal AND THEY HAVE THEIR >> RIGHTS! > > Not in china! Just don't buy "anything" made in China. Tweed > Just don't buy "anything" made in China. Unfortunately, that's not easy to do. There are so many components and transactions - from original manufacturers of ingredients, to suppliers, to manufacturers who put the stuff together, to importers, to distributors - that you can't possibly keep track of what came from where. Receivers at each stop along the pipeline are supposed to have a record of the previous place their shipment came from, but they're not required to keep track of where the shipper got it before that. And even those records are poorly kept. So if you wanted to track down where every single ingredient in your corn flakes was grown or manufactured, you'd have to hire a detective! I think the only way to be safe is to grow your own stuff and/or buy completely local food, as unprocessed as possible (keeps the number of stops on the pipeline down), and do your own processing as much as you can. Of course, this is pretty much impossible for most people, since most of us live in urban areas and don't have a clue how to do our own farming (I count myself among this group). I wanted to boycott China, but I've had to accept the fact that, because of how the global food industry is run, there's no way to know for sure whether something I'm eating has an ingredient from a Chinese plant. I just hope for the best... And anyway, I'll bet that at some point, we'll find out that China is not the only place where there are problems like this. Joyce  SignatureTo send email to this address, remove the triple-X from my user name. > > Just don't buy "anything" made in China. > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Joyce I know I for one was completely taken aback over the idea that we (or Canada as the case may be) had any reason to import wheat gluten from China. And it sure wasn't on any cat food labels. Jo "jofirey" > > <bastXXXette> >> Christina Websell <: [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > Jo That is so WRONG!!! And also the Chinese are popular for putting MSG in their foods, which can cause alot of migraines. I gnow this from experience. Kyla >I think the only way to be safe is to grow your own stuff and/or buy >completely local food, as unprocessed as possible (keeps the number >of stops on the pipeline down), and do your own processing as much as >you can. Of course, this is pretty much impossible for most people, >since most of us live in urban areas and don't have a clue how to do >our own farming (I count myself among this group). I found http://www.localharvest.org to be helpful in finding locally grown food. Of course, being in Kansas, fresh fruits and vegetables aren't exactly plentiful right now, but I have found several sources for meat, eggs and dairy items. Once the weather warms up again, the local farmer's markets open with fresh produce. Yum. L. > I found http://www.localharvest.org to be helpful in finding locally > grown food. Of course, being in Kansas, fresh fruits and vegetables > aren't exactly plentiful right now, but I have found several sources for > meat, eggs and dairy items. Once the weather warms up again, the local > farmer's markets open with fresh produce. Yum. Yeah, I'm very lucky because I live in one of the best places in the country for produce. Even in winter, we have a lot of fresh local stuff. Joyce SignatureTo send email to this address, remove the triple-X from my user name. > > I found http://www.localharvest.org to be helpful in finding locally > > grown food. Of course, being in Kansas, fresh fruits and vegetables [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Joyce I still remember the day I first arrived in California. Damn near forty years ago now which doesn't seem possible. We were driving cross country and stopped for lunch between Las Vegas and LA. We both had Cobb Salads, which were new to me at the time. And they were made with iceberg lettuce, which was pretty much the only lettuce I even knew from back east. Only it had a flavor! I never knew growing up that lettuce had a flavor. Of course then we moved to Alaska for three years almost immediately. Didn't help that I'd also discovered Mexican food in those few weeks too. And couldn't get Mexican food or decent lettuce the whole time we were there. Now I'm in California's central valley for good. I think I've got it bad if the Salinas lettuce crop gets rained out for a couple of weeks. Jo > were made with iceberg lettuce, which was pretty much the only lettuce I > even knew from back east. Only it had a flavor! I never knew growing up > that lettuce had a flavor. Lettus haz a flavr! > Now I'm in California's central valley for good. I think I've got it > bad if the Salinas lettuce crop gets rained out for a couple of weeks. Where did you come from originally? Joyce SignatureTo send email to this address, remove the triple-X from my user name. > > were made with iceberg lettuce, which was pretty much the only lettuce I > > even knew from back east. Only it had a flavor! I never knew growing [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Joyce Washington, DC. We got great produce from the Eastern Shore of the Chesapeake Bay, but that was mostly strawberries and corn and melons. Jo > We got great produce from the Eastern Shore of the Chesapeake Bay, but that > was mostly strawberries and corn and melons. Best we get around here is surplus for Jim and Jools allotments- then again it's fantastic when we do. Odd arrangement under the byelaws people aren't allowed to sell anything they produce on them so I can be sitting in the "Bells" and Jim might wander in and say he's got some spare potatoes (or corn or whatever) and I'll say "Great- bring 'em round and can I get you a drink?" Lesley Slave of the Fabulous Furballs On Feb 9, 9:51 am, "jofirey" <jofi...@hotmail.com> wrote: > We got great produce from the Eastern Shore of the Chesapeake Bay, but > that > was mostly strawberries and corn and melons. Best we get around here is surplus for Jim and Jools allotments- then again it's fantastic when we do. Odd arrangement under the byelaws people aren't allowed to sell anything they produce on them so I can be sitting in the "Bells" and Jim might wander in and say he's got some spare potatoes (or corn or whatever) and I'll say "Great- bring 'em round and can I get you a drink?" Sounds like the garden we had when I was a little kid. There were several acres that were rented out in plots for us apartment dwellers to grow our gardens. (Maybe not rented, just allotted) Most likely a holdover from the old 'victory gardens'. Plus back then, most city folk had been raised on farms. Jo > <bastXXXette@sonic.net> wrote in message > > Where did you come from originally? > Washington, DC. Wow, Washington to CA - that's a huge drop in humidity. :) > We got great produce from the Eastern Shore of the Chesapeake Bay, > but that was mostly strawberries and corn and melons. Mmmmm... Joyce SignatureTo send email to this address, remove the triple-X from my user name. > I found http://www.localharvest.org to be helpful in finding locally > grown food. Of course, being in Kansas, fresh fruits and vegetables > aren't exactly plentiful right now, but I have found several sources for > meat, eggs and dairy items. Once the weather warms up again, the local > farmer's markets open with fresh produce. Yum. the growing season is so short here that i have to rely on imported veggies, but at least i try to make sure they are european, and not from farther abroad. then there's hot-house veggies grown in finland, but those tend to be completely tasteless. i guess it's the lack of real sun. SignatureMarina, Miranda and Caliban. In loving memory of Frank and Nikki. > > I think the only way to be safe is to grow your own stuff and/or buy > completely local food, as unprocessed as possible (keeps the number [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > point, we'll find out that China is not the only place where there are > problems like this. It's more effort, and sometimes after work I don't feel like it, but mainly I make my meals from scratch, using as much as possible meat reared in the UK & veggies grown here too. I buy my potatoes from a local farm. I have chickens so I have ethical eggs ;-) I grow some of my own herbs already, chives, rosemary, thyme, sage. My bay leaves come from my aunt's bush and I dry them in the microwave. I grew some runner beans last year. Soon, when my garden will extend sideways I will be able to grow more veg completely organically. I have manure from my chickens. Even if I could not do this, I would avoid processed food as much as possible. I do eat a ready-meal occasionally but only in an emergency. Nüle will not eat anything that contains preservatives, she believes they are carcinogenic in the long term. Tweed >>> I can't imagine what punishment they could get that would fit the >>> crime. Well, I could but it would be illegal AND THEY HAVE THEIR [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Tweed That's easier said than done these days. :-( SignatureAdrian (Owned by Snoopy & Bagheera) Cats leave pawprints on your heart http://community.webshots.com/user/clowderuk >>>> I can't imagine what punishment they could get that would fit the >>>> crime. Well, I could but it would be illegal AND THEY HAVE THEIR [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > That's easier said than done these days. :-( I know. There are probably ingredients from China hidden in our foodstuffs but if it's labelled "made in China" I don't buy it. It's my personal protest at the cat/dog food contamination and also because they are one of the leading polluters of this planet in the world at this present time, just ahead of India and the USA. Tweed >>>>> I can't imagine what punishment they could get that would fit the >>>>> crime. Well, I could but it would be illegal AND THEY HAVE THEIR [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Tweed Only one of those three is much more than "third world". That would be _mine_, the USA. In addition we do it with far fewer people. Now we have the audacity to preach to other countries. Amazing. I see people every day do the same 50 mile each way commute as me in large empty SUVs. If this country did not use oil we would not be in any conflicts at all in the mideast OR Asia. Well there you go, my second hot button has been pressed. And, yes, I know other countries are guilty also but we have such a flair for maximum consumption here. Andy (trying not to be the ugly american) >>>>>> I can't imagine what punishment they could get that would fit the >>>>>> crime. Well, I could but it would be illegal AND THEY HAVE THEIR [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > know other countries are guilty also but we have such a flair for maximum > consumption here. Once a week I make the forty mile each way commute from my town to Sacramento at rush hour(s). I've seen that the traffic is nearly as heavy both ways. I always think they should set of a big circus type tent half way and have a job fair where everyone that is sick of the long drive could trade jobs with someone else from the other direction that is also sick of the drive. Lots of them are bound to have nearly identical jobs. Jo >>>>>>> I can't imagine what punishment they could get that would fit the >>>>>>> crime. Well, I could but it would be illegal AND THEY HAVE THEIR [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > with someone else from the other direction that is also sick of the drive. > Lots of them are bound to have nearly identical jobs. I thought it would be far more logical for people generally going in the same direction to drive to the closest 'hub' then get on one large energy effecient vehicle that would take them to the closest 'hub' to where they wanted to go, and they'd drive from the hub to wherever they wanted to be. That would reduce traffic congestion, pollution, commuting time, and overall stress. Its a shame 'public transport' just doesn't meet this ideal. For example, to drive to work it takes me 25 minutes. To get public transport, it would take me about 2 hours to get to or from work, longer if I wanted to take a bus to/from the train station rather than walk the 2km. We're lucky in that we happened to buy a hosue within reasonable walking distance to a corner shop, but there's only one corner shop in our whole suburb, and the newer areas woudl be forced to drive to it. As it is, if there local supermarket no longer does home delivery so it is necessary for all of the people in our suburb to either drive or catch a taxi if they want to do their grocery shopping. Most families have two cars out of necessity. Where I grew up, there were corner shops all over the place for those times when you needed the essentials, the supermarkets catered to those without personal transport (they'd deliver), the public transport went to wehere you needed to go, and went there fairly often, and you could go about your life without the *need* for a car. I guess things have changed since then. Yowie > I thought it would be far more logical for people generally going in the > same direction to drive to the closest 'hub' then get on one large energy > effecient vehicle that would take them to the closest 'hub' to where they > wanted to go, and they'd drive from the hub to wherever they wanted to be. > That would reduce traffic congestion, pollution, commuting time, and overall > stress. Except that if you leave your individual car at the first hub, then what do you drive from the second hub to your job (or wherever)? :) It takes me about 45 minutes to drive to work. And that's bad enough, but it would take me about 3 hours to go by public transportation!! Joyce SignatureTo send email to this address, remove the triple-X from my user name. > > I thought it would be far more logical for people generally going in the > > same direction to drive to the closest 'hub' then get on one large [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Except that if you leave your individual car at the first hub, then what > do you drive from the second hub to your job (or wherever)? :) There is no such thing as an "individual car" in my ideal universe. Most cars sit in carparks and/or driveways & garages all day, doing nothing, quietly rusting away. When they are started, they take up alot more petrol than when they have warmed up and are running effeciently. This is silly. To my mind if we really wanted to be effecient, we'd take a running car from where we needed it (perhaps call it up?), use it, leave it at where we wanted to go, and then when we needed another one, we'd just get another one. Cars would no longer be the gas guzzling status symbols they currently are, and would simply be for transport and would be hired when needed. Meh, what we *really* need is a Star trek-style transporter, no more congestion on the roads! Yowie >> > I thought it would be far more logical for people generally going in >> > the [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > Yowie The real gas guzzlers on the planet are way ahead of you. Those that commute by private plane commonly have cars at the aircraft hanger on both ends. Jo "Yowie" <yowie9644.DIESPAMDIE@yahoo.com.au> wrote in > Cars would no longer be the gas guzzling status symbols they currently > are, and would simply be for transport and would be hired when needed. Good luck with this one. I must have been raised by wolves because I think cars are transportation. I would rather put my money into things _I_ see that _strangers_ don't but I sure aint the average consumer. Andy > I always think they should set of a big circus type tent half way and have a > job fair where everyone that is sick of the long drive could trade jobs with > someone else from the other direction that is also sick of the drive. Lots > of them are bound to have nearly identical jobs. Ha ha! I like this idea! Joyce SignatureTo send email to this address, remove the triple-X from my user name. >> I know. There are probably ingredients from China hidden in our >> foodstuffs but if it's labelled "made in China" I don't buy it. It's [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> >> Tweed > Only one of those three is much more than "third world". That would be > _mine_, the USA. In addition we do it with far fewer people. Now we > have the audacity to preach to other countries. Amazing. I see people > every day do the same 50 mile each way commute as me in large empty SUVs. > If this country did not use oil we would not be in any conflicts at all > in the mideast OR Asia. Amen. But sadly, I have to admit that I am guilty as charged. I work 35 miles from home and commute each way 5 times a week. <sigh> It bothers me, but (1) I like my job, (2) I love where I live, (3) they won't let me work from home even one day a week. I know I could carpool - I've been putting off setting that up... <wrist slap> Next time I need to buy a car, I will seriously consider biodiesel. We don't have any biodiesel stations in my area (which surprises me because I'm sure there would be a market for it here). They do have them in Oregon, but that doesn't help me much. But I'm hooked up to people who do use it, so I could find out where to buy some. And in a pinch, you can put regular diesel in, so I wouldn't have to lug around flammable fuel in my car in case I got stranded. There's also the hybrid option, but I can't afford to buy a new car, and hybrids haven't been around long enough for used ones to be very available or to be priced low enough. Someday maybe I'll buy a used Prius, but that's not an option yet. Joyce SignatureTo send email to this address, remove the triple-X from my user name. I wrote: > I work 35 miles from home and commute each way 5 times a week. Oops, that should say *10* times a week, if I'm counting each way. 350 miles a week (563 km - that sounds much worse), wow! Joyce > I wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > 350 miles a week (563 km - that sounds much worse), wow! reading this thread makes me feel like i live in some kind of utopia. we have such a well-planned network of public transportation in helsinki that i've never felt the need to own a car. unfortunately, lots of people don't see the excellence of the system, and drive their own cars anyway. i guess it's the status symbol thinking. i know loads of people who drive their car to the office in the morning, it sits in a car park the whole day, and then they drive back home. such a waste. of course, i can talk. where i live now, i have a 15-min walk to work. i live right beside a shopping centre with two fairly good supermarkets, as well as a pharmacy, liquor store, household goods store etc. if i need to go downtown for something special, it's about 15 minutes on a tram or bus. SignatureMarina, Miranda and Caliban. In loving memory of Frank and Nikki. >> I wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > store etc. if i need to go downtown for something special, it's about > 15 minutes on a tram or bus. I feel very fortunate where I live, the doctor, dentist, opticians and pharmacy are all within a ten minute walk. I have a car but sometime can go for 2 or 3 weeks without needing to drive anywhere. SignatureAdrian (Owned by Snoopy & Bagheera) Cats leave pawprints on your heart http://community.webshots.com/user/clowderuk > >> I know. There are probably ingredients from China hidden in our > >> foodstuffs but if it's labelled "made in China" I don't buy it. [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > Joyce There is no car pool solution for me (like many people) and public transport would turn my one hour drive into a 2.5 hour nightmare. My car gets 35 MPG for real even at highway speeds. I try to create as little waste as I can and use energy efficiently. We are installing technology that allows me to work from home more often but in the end I still use a lot of energy compared to most people in the world. As for hybrids they are not as green as some would think and their strong point is city not highway driving. My main feeling is everyone can do better without drastic changes and it would make a big difference but some people just don't give a s**t. /soapbox_mode > As for hybrids they are not as green as some would think and their > strong point is city not highway driving. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > /soapbox_mode One more thing I am doing to save energy! http://www.flickr.com/photos/outsider1955/2282932670/ > One more thing I am doing to save energy! > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/outsider1955/2282932670/ lol. i think a beard will suit you. SignatureMarina, Miranda and Caliban. In loving memory of Frank and Nikki. >> As for hybrids they are not as green as some would think and their >> strong point is city not highway driving. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/outsider1955/2282932670/ LOL SignatureAdrian (Owned by Snoopy & Bagheera) Cats leave pawprints on your heart http://community.webshots.com/user/clowderuk >>>>> I can't imagine what punishment they could get that would fit the >>>>> crime. Well, I could but it would be illegal AND THEY HAVE THEIR [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >> >> That's easier said than done these days. :-( >I know. There are probably ingredients from China hidden in our foodstuffs >but if it's labelled "made in China" I don't buy it. It's my personal Good luck. There isn't much made domestically any more. Any company larger than 1000 employees will have it's manufacturing overseas and probably in china. >protest at the cat/dog food contamination and also because they are one of >the leading polluters of this planet in the world at this present time, just >ahead of India and the USA. They're much much worse than the U.S., basically running without environmental regulations. > http://www.local6.com/money/15237498/detail.html?treets=orlpn&tid=2653055048813& tml=orlpn_8pm&tmi=orlpn_8pm_1_07000502062008&ts=H > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > interstate commerce and 13 counts of introducing misbranded food into > interstate commerce. I'm not too convinced that the legal system in China is terribly concerned about the fate of dogs and cats around the world. But I do believe they firmly grasp the idea of international trade. And the idea that anyone that messes with exports is costing the rest of them a lot of money. I would think they could come up with some penalties for that. Jo >> http://www.local6.com/money/15237498/detail.html?treets=orlpn&tid=2653 >> 055048813&tml=orlpn_8pm&tmi=orlpn_8pm_1_07000502062008&ts=H [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Jo That is why I like that the charges did not mention animals but food. > http://www.local6.com/money/15237498/detail.html?treets=orlpn&tid=26530 > 55048813&tml=orlpn_8pm&tmi=orlpn_8pm_1_07000502062008&ts=H [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > into interstate commerce and 13 counts of introducing misbranded food > into interstate commerce. Excellent. These seem like pretty good charges. Andy "Outsider" ... > "Matthew" : > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Andy And I hope these fiends are dealt with harshly!!! Kyla |
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