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"Star", Melba,  and Sylvester (long)

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Susan M - 29 Jan 2008 05:22 GMT
Hi there:

Well, I got Star and he was groggy.  I took him to meet Sarah and she is
an absolutely lovely person - she has had cats before (I thought she
hadn't) and knew how to treat him in his grogginess.  He didn't want to
come out of the carrier so I opened the container of catnip and he came
out.  He is a total pathetic nip-head.  She had looked at the pictures
of him and decided to name him Hunter, which is a good name for him.  It
suits him.  I had bought him toys and treats and a soft cat bed and left
them with her too.

After some time, I left.  I was very *very* sad to leave him.  I was
surprised by how sad I was.  I am still sad.

I was taken aback by the size of her apartment - it is tiny.  I am
worried about him being a young outdoor kitty transitioning to a small
apartment.  I don't think its ideal.  She works but lives just a few
minutes away from the office so has been going home at lunch.

I think she is an ideal slave but I remain concerned about him being
alone in such a small space.  I am glad that he's in (-31C tonight with
a savage wind chill bringing it to -46C).  I imagine that he will let
her know if he's unhappy and she knows that I get him back if there is
ever any problem.  I have even thought of asking for him back and
finding him a bigger home with people around.  It's getting a little
late for that.

I can't shake the feeling that my time with Star isn't over yet though.

Melba has made a fairly good recovery so far - surprised my brother and
SIL by eating at about 90% of usual and being fairly perky.  I spoke to
my brother tonight and Melba's having the best day ever today.  They
successfully changed her bandage today and it was unmitigated hell but
they got it done.  It stresses them out big time.  She goes tomorrow for
a blood test to see where her red blood cell count is - if it is low (it
was a borderline test before), then she may need a transfusion.  Yikes
again.  But I think she should be okay based on her spunky behaviour.
Ideal the number is 35 - 45 and she was at 22 last time - 16
necessitates a transfusion.  She may get stitches out tomorrow too.
They would also prefer the the feeding tube removed and to syringe feed
if necessary.  She's been eating so well for about 5 days now.

More on the spleen - it was 4 times oversized compared to usual - had a
hematoma and was folded over and growing over upon itself.  They were
proposing an aspiration but realized that if they had penetrated the
hemotoma, it might have created a huge problem.  It could have burst
even over time if they hadn't elected to remove it.  That's what they
said and they seem comfortable with their decision, despite the
complications.  I passed on your comments and concerns Christina and
Lesley - because they echoed what I thought.

Sylvester has been a complete handful at my SIL's dad.  He's happy and
loving and all over John - but scratches every item of furniture, jumps
on everything, climbs on everything, and sleeps in the kitchen sink.  He
drinks and eats in a very very strange manner.  He flattens right to the
ground and has to pry his head over the edge of the bowls to eat and
drinks.  His litterbox habits are pristine.  John likes the cat but
thinks that Sylvester might need more space - he lives in a small condo.
 My brother and SIL are thinking that they might never be able to
integrate Sylvester into their house given Melba's fragile condition and
tendency to stress.

Susan M
Otis and Chester
bastXXXette@sonic.net - 29 Jan 2008 06:19 GMT
> Well, I got Star and he was groggy.  I took him to meet Sarah and she is
> an absolutely lovely person - she has had cats before (I thought she
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> of him and decided to name him Hunter, which is a good name for him.  It
> suits him.

I like that name, too. "Star" is also very cute - both names are good
ones.

> After some time, I left.  I was very *very* sad to leave him.  I was
> surprised by how sad I was.  I am still sad.

I'll bet. I would be, too.

> I think she is an ideal slave but I remain concerned about him being
> alone in such a small space.  I am glad that he's in (-31C tonight with
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> finding him a bigger home with people around.  It's getting a little
> late for that.

I'd say give it a chance. Not all cats get lonely being by themselves.
And she is coming home mid-day to visit him while he adjusts.

Would she consider getting him a buddy if he does get lonely? I know
it's a small space, but if he's lonely, that might be a good solution.
And if she has enough *vertical* space (eg, cat tree, shelves, high
furniture that she would't mind them climbing on), that's probably
more important than floor square-footage (square-meterage?).

> Melba has made a fairly good recovery so far - surprised my brother and
> SIL by eating at about 90% of usual and being fairly perky.

That's great! I've been worried about her.

> More on the spleen - it was 4 times oversized compared to usual - had a
> hematoma and was folded over and growing over upon itself.  They were
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> complications.  I passed on your comments and concerns Christina and
> Lesley - because they echoed what I thought.

Well, I'm not glad she had that terrible condition, but I am glad to
hear that they had a valid reason for removing her spleen, even if she
doesn't have cancer. For one thing, it means they're more trustworthy
than it sounded, and second, it means she's not going through this ordeal
for nothing. If what they say is true, then it was a necessary surgery.

Purrs for her to continue to get better!

> Sylvester has been a complete handful at my SIL's dad.  He's happy and
> loving and all over John - but scratches every item of furniture, jumps
> on everything, climbs on everything, and sleeps in the kitchen sink.

They should be glad he's not *peeing* in the sink, like some cats we
know. :)

Joyce
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Susan M - 29 Jan 2008 22:00 GMT
> I like that name, too. "Star" is also very cute - both names are good
> ones.

I like both too.  When he unwinds and stands up with that inherent
regalness that cats have, the name Hunter really  suits him with his
golden eyes.

>  > After some time, I left.  I was very *very* sad to leave him.  I was
>  > surprised by how sad I was.  I am still sad.
>
> I'll bet. I would be, too.

I knew I'd be sad - thought I'd be more relieved that he was in a good
place - but I think that I had really bonded with him and it still is
too hard to think about.  Just learned something more about myself I
guess - be careful fostering!

> I'd say give it a chance. Not all cats get lonely being by themselves.
> And she is coming home mid-day to visit him while he adjusts.
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> furniture that she would't mind them climbing on), that's probably
> more important than floor square-footage (square-meterage?).

I mentioned the buddy thing a few times but I think she's starting
slowly and just getting used to the one.  I'd really like him to have a
buddy.

> Well, I'm not glad she had that terrible condition, but I am glad to
> hear that they had a valid reason for removing her spleen, even if she
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>
> Purrs for her to continue to get better!

thanks - 3 PM today we'll find out.

>  > Sylvester has been a complete handful at my SIL's dad.  He's happy and
>  > loving and all over John - but scratches every item of furniture, jumps
>  > on everything, climbs on everything, and sleeps in the kitchen sink.
>
> They should be glad he's not *peeing* in the sink, like some cats we
> know. :)

That would be too much for my brother!

Susan M
Otis and Chester
Stormmee - 29 Jan 2008 07:28 GMT
glad melba is doing well, you will do fine with hunter in a small space, if
she has had cats before then she will know to get him some vertical space if
it is an issue... if I were you the hardest part of this would be staying
away long enough for hunter to bond with the new slave, Lee
> Hi there:
>
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> Susan M
> Otis and Chester
Susan M - 29 Jan 2008 22:01 GMT
> glad melba is doing well, you will do fine with hunter in a small space, if
> she has had cats before then she will know to get him some vertical space if
> it is an issue... if I were you the hardest part of this would be staying
> away long enough for hunter to bond with the new slave, Lee

You are so right about the staying away part!  I'm being good and trying
not to stalk the poor woman about the cat5.

She's just moved here so she's a little short on cash but there was a
lot to jump around on in the apartment that I could see.

SM
Marina - 29 Jan 2008 07:52 GMT
> Hi there:
>
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> After some time, I left.  I was very *very* sad to leave him.  I was
> surprised by how sad I was.  I am still sad.

Well, he found you. Maybe he was supposed to be your cat. If it wasn't
for Otis and Sam's allergies and all the rest... {{{Susan}}} You did the
best you could under the circumstances.

> I was taken aback by the size of her apartment - it is tiny.  I am
> worried about him being a young outdoor kitty transitioning to a small
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> finding him a bigger home with people around.  It's getting a little
> late for that.

Does she have any cat trees? Other pplaces where he's allowed to climb?
I don't think floor space is as important to cats as it is to have many
different levels to hang out and to climb. I lived for over 10 years in
tiny studio apartments with Frank and Nikki. They didn't seem to suffer
from limited floor space.

> I can't shake the feeling that my time with Star isn't over yet though.

We'll just have to see what the future brings.

> Melba has made a fairly good recovery so far - surprised my brother and
> SIL by eating at about 90% of usual and being fairly perky.  I spoke to
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> complications.  I passed on your comments and concerns Christina and
> Lesley - because they echoed what I thought.

That sounds pretty bad. Maybe they did remove it with good cause. We're
still purring for Melba to improve quickly. Sounds like she is doing
very well, considering.

> Sylvester has been a complete handful at my SIL's dad.  He's happy and
> loving and all over John - but scratches every item of furniture, jumps
> on everything, climbs on everything, and sleeps in the kitchen sink.  He
> drinks and eats in a very very strange manner.  He flattens right to the
> ground and has to pry his head over the edge of the bowls to eat and
> drinks.

LOL! He sounds like a real character. Again, I have to ask, does he have
anything that he's allowed to scratch and climb? Scratching posts, cat
trees? Sounds like he could do with a few of those.

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bastXXXette@sonic.net - 29 Jan 2008 18:31 GMT
>> I was taken aback by the size of her apartment - it is tiny.  I am
>> worried about him being a young outdoor kitty transitioning to a small
>> apartment.  I don't think its ideal.  She works but lives just a few
>> minutes away from the office so has been going home at lunch.

> Does she have any cat trees? Other pplaces where he's allowed to climb?
> I don't think floor space is as important to cats as it is to have many
> different levels to hang out and to climb. I lived for over 10 years in
> tiny studio apartments with Frank and Nikki. They didn't seem to suffer
> from limited floor space.

GMTA. :)

Joyce
Susan M - 29 Jan 2008 22:03 GMT
>  >> I was taken aback by the size of her apartment - it is tiny.  I am
>  >> worried about him being a young outdoor kitty transitioning to a small
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>
> GMTA. :)

Hmmmm - I don't know GMTA??

Susan M
Otis and Chester
bastXXXette@sonic.net - 29 Jan 2008 22:09 GMT
>>> Does she have any cat trees? Other pplaces where he's allowed to climb?
>>> I don't think floor space is as important to cats as it is to have many
>>> different levels to hang out and to climb. I lived for over 10 years in
>>> tiny studio apartments with Frank and Nikki. They didn't seem to suffer
>>> from limited floor space.

> > GMTA. :)

> Hmmmm - I don't know GMTA??

It stands for "Great Minds Think Alike". I had just posted about the
size of Star/Hunter's new living space, saying that floor space is
less important to a cat than *vertical* space. And a second later, I
saw Marina's post saying essentially the same thing. Later, I noticed
that 2 or 3 others said the same thing, too, so I guess we have many
great minds on RPCA. :)

Joyce

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Susan M - 29 Jan 2008 22:03 GMT
> Well, he found you. Maybe he was supposed to be your cat. If it wasn't
> for Otis and Sam's allergies and all the rest... {{{Susan}}} You did the
> best you could under the circumstances.

thanks Marina - I know I'm talking out of both sides of my mouth.  One
side saying I can't keep him and the other wishing so much that I could.
 I'm clearly befuddled.

> Does she have any cat trees? Other pplaces where he's allowed to climb?
> I don't think floor space is as important to cats as it is to have many
> different levels to hang out and to climb. I lived for over 10 years in
> tiny studio apartments with Frank and Nikki. They didn't seem to suffer
> from limited floor space.

No cat trees yet but lots of things to climb on as far as furniture
goes.  I just wish he had a buddy like Frank and Nikki but I suppose in
good time, she might do that for him too.

> That sounds pretty bad. Maybe they did remove it with good cause. We're
> still purring for Melba to improve quickly. Sounds like she is doing
> very well, considering.

Poor girl.  I'm glad that she's getting better too.

> LOL! He sounds like a real character. Again, I have to ask, does he have
> anything that he's allowed to scratch and climb? Scratching posts, cat
> trees? Sounds like he could do with a few of those.

He has all the accessories a good cat can have but just atrocious
manners ;-)

Susan M
Otis and Chester
Marina - 30 Jan 2008 04:59 GMT
> He has all the accessories a good cat can have but just atrocious
> manners ;-)

LOL. It's a good thing he has impeccable litter box manners. I guess
that earns him a lot of leeway in other things. BTW, Caliban does not
just sleep beside the kitchen sink, he sleeps *in* it, too. So he and
Sylvester are kindred spirits.

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LesleyM - 29 Jan 2008 10:11 GMT
>I was taken aback by the size of her apartment - it is tiny.  I am
>worried about him being a young outdoor kitty transitioning to a small
>apartment.  I don't think its ideal.  

As opposed to living rough or being PTS? You'd probably think our apartment
too small but with high ceilings the Furballs utilise the "up" dimension as
well

>Melba has made a fairly good recovery so far - surprised my brother and
>SIL by eating at about 90% of usual and being fairly perky.  I

Good news about Melba

Lesley

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EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 29 Jan 2008 18:34 GMT
>>I was taken aback by the size of her apartment - it is tiny.  I am
>>worried about him being a young outdoor kitty transitioning to a small
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> too small but with high ceilings the Furballs utilise the "up" dimension as
> well

I have two cats in a 435 sq. ft. apartment, and we all
manage just fine!  (Even though the older of the two started
life with me in a two bedroom house with an outdoor access
pet door she could use at will.)  Cats can adapt happily to
most situations, so long as they have access to food, water,
a litterbox, and plenty of human affection.
Susan M - 29 Jan 2008 22:07 GMT
> I have two cats in a 435 sq. ft. apartment, and we all manage just
> fine!  (Even though the older of the two started life with me in a two
> bedroom house with an outdoor access pet door she could use at will.)  
> Cats can adapt happily to most situations, so long as they have access
> to food, water, a litterbox, and plenty of human affection.

Well, I think she's totally besotted with him for sure.  Maybe he will
convince her to get a buddy for him while she's gone.

Susan M
Otis and Chester
Susan M - 29 Jan 2008 22:03 GMT
>> I was taken aback by the size of her apartment - it is tiny.  I am
>> worried about him being a young outdoor kitty transitioning to a small
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> too small but with high ceilings the Furballs utilise the "up" dimension as
> well

I guess that I forget about that other dimension.  I think he might like
a friend though for the daytime while she's working.  I know my friend
and he'll work her hard!

>> Melba has made a fairly good recovery so far - surprised my brother and
>> SIL by eating at about 90% of usual and being fairly perky.  I
>
> Good news about Melba

Thank you!

Susan M
Otis and Chester
Victor Martinez - 29 Jan 2008 14:00 GMT
> I can't shake the feeling that my time with Star isn't over yet though.

Let's hope Star adapts well to his new home. When we first got Luna and
Maya, we lived in a 700 sq ft (65 sq meters) condo and they did just fine.

> They would also prefer the the feeding tube removed and to syringe feed
> if necessary.  She's been eating so well for about 5 days now.

We'll keep purring for Melba.

> Sylvester has been a complete handful at my SIL's dad.  He's happy and
> loving and all over John - but scratches every item of furniture, jumps
> on everything, climbs on everything, and sleeps in the kitchen sink.  He

Sounds like a keeper! :)

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Susan M - 29 Jan 2008 22:45 GMT
>> I can't shake the feeling that my time with Star isn't over yet though.
>
> Let's hope Star adapts well to his new home. When we first got Luna and
> Maya, we lived in a 700 sq ft (65 sq meters) condo and they did just fine.

Y'all keep talking about two cats :-)  I hope she gets him a buddy.

> We'll keep purring for Melba.

Thank you!

>> Sylvester has been a complete handful at my SIL's dad.  He's happy and
>> loving and all over John - but scratches every item of furniture, jumps
>> on everything, climbs on everything, and sleeps in the kitchen sink.  He
>
> Sounds like a keeper! :)

My brother is quite horrified!  I gather that Melba is a prim little
thing who never would think to scratch or climb onto a counter.

Susan M
Otis and Chester
MaryL - 29 Jan 2008 14:56 GMT
> Hi there:
>
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> finding him a bigger home with people around.  It's getting a little
> late for that.

<snip>
> Susan M
> Otis and Chester

Don't worry about the size of the apartment.  Think about how small a cat is
in comparison to a human.  Cats can get plenty of exercise by running around
even a tiny apartment, going up and over furniture, etc.  If she can get a
cat tree, that would be ideal -- mine are tall and sturdy, but they only
take up 24" square of floor space.

Please *do not even consider* asking for him back.  That should now be
Sarah's decision.  It would be cruel to both Sarah and her new cat for your
to do that based only on the size of the apartment.

MaryL
LesleyM - 29 Jan 2008 15:59 GMT
>Don't worry about the size of the apartment.  Think about how small a cat is
>in comparison to a human.  Cats can get plenty of exercise by running around
>even a tiny apartment, going up and over furniture, etc.  If she can get a
>cat tree, that would be ideal -- mine are tall and sturdy, but they only
>take up 24" square of floor space.

I don't even have a cat tree but they have bookcases and wardrobes and
kitchen cupboard tops (Dunzi's favourite- she gets the Sun from there) and
the top of the fridge or the top of the living room door (Another Dunzi
favourite) to jump up on and furniture to leap across, under, round etc. Plus
there's always the exercise of opening doors, bouncing off Hoomins etc

And I did see some very nice cat trees...if they're good (Okay.....next time
I am feeling a bit flush)

Lesley

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Susan M - 30 Jan 2008 00:55 GMT
>> Don't worry about the size of the apartment.  Think about how small a cat is
>> in comparison to a human.  Cats can get plenty of exercise by running around
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> And I did see some very nice cat trees...if they're good (Okay.....next time
> I am feeling a bit flush)

I swear that my house would be decorated wall to wall with them if left
to my own devices - also, I'd have about 20 cats if not for my family!

I think that Hunter too will find some good places to climb from what I
saw of her apartment.

Susan M
Otis and Chester
Marina - 30 Jan 2008 05:17 GMT
> I swear that my house would be decorated wall to wall with them if left
> to my own devices - also, I'd have about 20 cats if not for my family!

Well, I was left to my own devices and I have three cat trees inside and
two outside. ;) My thinking was that I can go out any time if I feel too
confined, but the cats have to spend 24/7 here, so I should furnish it
as much for them as for myself. I never wanted to be featured in
Beautiful Homes, anyway. :P

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sam - 31 Jan 2008 03:39 GMT
>> I swear that my house would be decorated wall to wall with them if
>> left to my own devices - also, I'd have about 20 cats if not for my
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> as much for them as for myself. I never wanted to be featured in
> Beautiful Homes, anyway. :P

Maybe you could be featured in "Beautiful Homes, Feline Edition"

Sam, supervised by Mistletoe
Marina - 31 Jan 2008 04:29 GMT
>>> I swear that my house would be decorated wall to wall with them if
>>> left to my own devices - also, I'd have about 20 cats if not for my
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>>
> Maybe you could be featured in "Beautiful Homes, Feline Edition"

Now there's a magazine I'd like to read. :)

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Adrian - 31 Jan 2008 11:25 GMT
>>>> I swear that my house would be decorated wall to wall with them if
>>>> left to my own devices - also, I'd have about 20 cats if not for my
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>
> Now there's a magazine I'd like to read. :)

You can only read it once the cat's finished sitting on it. :-)
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Steve Touchstone - 31 Jan 2008 09:37 GMT
>I don't even have a cat tree but they have bookcases and wardrobes and
>kitchen cupboard tops (Dunzi's favourite- she gets the Sun from there) and
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>And I did see some very nice cat trees...if they're good (Okay.....next time
>I am feeling a bit flush)

well, the cats don't seem to mind how they look ;-) I just get the
el-cheapo ones from WalMart. They don't last very long, maybe 3-4
months. If you look at the one in this pic you'll see it's time to get
a new one http://tinyurl.com/2ddnuq
Of course some cats don't climb. Little Bit seldom does, although she
surprised me and was on the middle platform the other night. I've got
the proof at http://tinyurl.com/28vuem
I've yet to see Princess on the tree
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Susan M - 30 Jan 2008 00:53 GMT
> Don't worry about the size of the apartment.  Think about how small a
> cat is in comparison to a human.  Cats can get plenty of exercise by
> running around even a tiny apartment, going up and over furniture, etc.  
> If she can get a cat tree, that would be ideal -- mine are tall and
> sturdy, but they only take up 24" square of floor space.

I think that she should definitely save up for one for sure.

> Please *do not even consider* asking for him back.  That should now be
> Sarah's decision.  It would be cruel to both Sarah and her new cat for
> your to do that based only on the size of the apartment.

Things seem to be going well for them - I'm posting another update right
now.

SM
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 29 Jan 2008 18:27 GMT
> Hi there:
>
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> I think she is an ideal slave but I remain concerned about him being
> alone in such a small space.

I wouldn't worry!  Cats are very adaptable critters, and
anyway a healthy cat SLEEPS between eighteen and twenty
hours a day - he'll enjoy his playtime with her all the
more, for being well-rested. ;-)
Susan M - 30 Jan 2008 00:55 GMT
\
> I wouldn't worry!  Cats are very adaptable critters, and anyway a
> healthy cat SLEEPS between eighteen and twenty hours a day - he'll enjoy
> his playtime with her all the more, for being well-rested. ;-)

... somebody should tell that to Otis, who is not much of a sleeper :-)

Susan M
Otis and Chester
Christina Websell - 31 Jan 2008 19:01 GMT
>>.
>
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> the complications.  I passed on your comments and concerns Christina
> and Lesley - because they echoed what I thought.

I feel so much better knowing this.  A hematoma is a "blood blister" like
you can get on your finger if you hit it with a hammer though, so don't let
them blind you with science.
Since the spleen was 4 x enlarged it's likely to be pre-cancerous so it's
good that they removed it before it burst.  You certainly do not want a
spleen to burst if you are out at work all day.  It would be curtains, RB.

Pearlie-girlie only survived it because I was at home on a Bank Holiday.
Had I been at work that day, she would have bled to death while I was at
work.  She went on to get bone cancer in a a few months and her leg broke
getting out of bed so don't offer too much hope please.
polonca12000 - 07 Feb 2008 21:36 GMT
> Hi there:
>
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> Susan M
> Otis and Chester

Lots and lots of purrs for all the kitties and hugs for you, Susan,
Polonca and Soncek
 
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