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I know this is a gruesome question, but I'm trying to talk a person in another group out of breeding his cat. Does anyone here remember that picture of the back of an SPCA where there were hundreds of dead cats in garbage cans? Do you know where I can get it. Again, sorry for the gruesome question, but I really want to talk this person out of adding more moggies to a world overflowing with them.  SignatureHugs, CatNipped See all my masters here: http://www.PossiblePlaces.com/CatNipped/ > I know this is a gruesome question, but I'm trying to talk a person in > another group out of breeding his cat. Does anyone here remember that > picture of the back of an SPCA where there were hundreds of dead cats > in garbage cans? Do you know where I can get it. Again, sorry for > the gruesome question, but I really want to talk this person out of > adding more moggies to a world overflowing with them. Sorry, I never saw that one. However, unless this person is planning to let this cat breed indescriminately why would it concern you that he's breeding his cat? Jill >> I know this is a gruesome question, but I'm trying to talk a person in >> another group out of breeding his cat. Does anyone here remember that [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > breeding > his cat? If you *had* seen the picture, you'd know why. Even if you find a home for your cat's kittens, that's that many kittens at the pound who now *won't* have home because your cat's kittens took them. I know it seems like trying to stop pet overpopulation is like trying to drain the ocean with a teaspoon, but I refuse to let the enormity of the task stop me from trying to make my own small contribution. I'll keep dipping away with my teaspoon until I can't dip any more. Hugs, CatNipped > Jill >>> I know this is a gruesome question, but I'm trying to talk a person >>> in another group out of breeding his cat. Does anyone here [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > CatNipped Trust me, I understand about the unwanted cat population problem and shelter over-population. But do you know the reasons why this person wants to breed his cat? I'm not privy (nor do I want to be, thank you!) to what you're discussing in this other group about his wanting to breed his cat. He could have homes planned for the kittens. Maybe it's a purebred. That's what owners of purebreds do; they keep their pets intact so they can be bred. Is this just some guy with a tomcat and doesn't want to have his nuts cut off? Some guy who says "gee, she's female, she should have kittens"? Or is he trying to breed the cat for a reason? Does he know what he'll do with the kittens when they are born? Maybe he plans to give one kitten to aunt sue and another to uncle joe and so on. Maybe they all want kittens. I dunno. My point is you can't just run around willy nilly and tell people not to breed their cats. Again, I haven't heard the conversation (nor do I want to) but I have to think this person is planning to breed his cat for a reason, not just to create a bunch of kittens he will then abandon or send off to a shelter. Jill >>>> I know this is a gruesome question, but I'm trying to talk a person >>>> in another group out of breeding his cat. Does anyone here [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > > Jill Jill, even if every single kitten is cat has is placed in a good home, that's one less good home that a shelter cat has and one more shelter cat euthanized because of it. I don't like breeders of *any* sort. I feel that if you want a cat you should go and rescue one from death, *not* add to the pet overpopulation problem. BTW, he just wants his children to witness the "miracle of birth" - I asked him if he would also let them go to a shelter when they were euthanizing kittens so they could witness the drama of death. Again, ocean, teaspoon, and I am unable to stand idly by. Hugs, CatNipped > >>>> I know this is a gruesome question, but I'm trying to talk a person > >>>> in another group out of breeding his cat. Does anyone here [quoted text clipped - 65 lines] > > - Show quoted text - If that's the main reason, maybe he can find a pregnant stray to foster? I agree with you, BTW. And join with you my teaspoon. -Caroline On Jan 24, 9:40 am, "CatNipped" <CatNip...@PossiblePlaces.com> wrote: > "jmcquown" <jmcqu...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 76 lines] > > - Show quoted text - If that's the main reason, maybe he can find a pregnant stray to foster? I agree with you, BTW. And join with you my teaspoon. ==================================================== Good suggestion! I've been arguing this subject with him for quite a few days now and I'm running out of ammunition (or he's just unusually pig-headed) - that's why I wanted to use that very gruesome and dramatic picture. Good on you for helping fight the good fight! Hugs, CatNipped > On Jan 24, 9:40 am, "CatNipped" <CatNip...@PossiblePlaces.com> wrote: >> "jmcquown" <jmcqu...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message [quoted text clipped - 99 lines] > > CatNipped Here's one I found on Google http://www.dawnwatch.com/images/BarrelDeadCats.jpg Signature-- The ONE and ONLY lefthanded-pathetic-paranoid-psychotic-sarcastic-wiseass-ditzy former-blonde in Bloomington! (And proud of it, too)© email me at nalee1964 (at) insightbb (dot) com http://community.webshots.com/user/mgcmdjeep >> On Jan 24, 9:40 am, "CatNipped" <CatNip...@PossiblePlaces.com> wrote: >>> "jmcquown" <jmcqu...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message [quoted text clipped - 105 lines] > Here's one I found on Google > http://www.dawnwatch.com/images/BarrelDeadCats.jpg Yep, I got that one. But the one I'm thinking of though was much more dramatic - a picture of about 7 or 8 barrels like that, each overflowing, ouside of an SPCA - there must have been hundreds of dead cats in them (and, again, sorry for the gruesome image, but this is the reality of cat overpopulation). Hugs, CatNipped >>> On Jan 24, 9:40 am, "CatNipped" <CatNip...@PossiblePlaces.com> wrote: >>>> "jmcquown" <jmcqu...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message [quoted text clipped - 120 lines] > > CatNipped I know - been looking for that one too.... no luck so far - except for the image it burned into my brain.... there was a worker in the picture too, wearing knee-high waders, wasn't he/she? Signature-- The ONE and ONLY lefthanded-pathetic-paranoid-psychotic-sarcastic-wiseass-ditzy former-blonde in Bloomington! (And proud of it, too)© email me at nalee1964 (at) insightbb (dot) com http://community.webshots.com/user/mgcmdjeep >>>> On Jan 24, 9:40 am, "CatNipped" <CatNip...@PossiblePlaces.com> wrote: >>>>> "jmcquown" <jmcqu...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message [quoted text clipped - 129 lines] > image it burned into my brain.... there was a worker in the picture too, > wearing knee-high waders, wasn't he/she? I found it! PhilP had it on his web site. WARNING, this picture is very graphic and very heartbreaking: http://maxshouse.com/heartache.JPG Hugs, CatNipped > On Jan 24, 9:40 am, "CatNipped" <CatNip...@PossiblePlaces.com> wrote: >> "jmcquown" <jmcqu...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message [quoted text clipped - 99 lines] > > CatNipped Here's one of dogs http://www.ab1634.org/images/euthanized-dogs.gif Signature-- The ONE and ONLY lefthanded-pathetic-paranoid-psychotic-sarcastic-wiseass-ditzy former-blonde in Bloomington! (And proud of it, too)© email me at nalee1964 (at) insightbb (dot) com http://community.webshots.com/user/mgcmdjeep > On Jan 24, 9:40 am, "CatNipped" <CatNip...@PossiblePlaces.com> wrote: >> "jmcquown" <jmcqu...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message [quoted text clipped - 99 lines] > > CatNipped and another http://www.ab1634.org/images/barrels%20004.jpg Signature-- The ONE and ONLY lefthanded-pathetic-paranoid-psychotic-sarcastic-wiseass-ditzy former-blonde in Bloomington! (And proud of it, too)© email me at nalee1964 (at) insightbb (dot) com http://community.webshots.com/user/mgcmdjeep > On Jan 24, 9:40 am, "CatNipped" <CatNip...@PossiblePlaces.com> wrote: >> "jmcquown" <jmcqu...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message [quoted text clipped - 99 lines] > > CatNipped more http://www.ab1634.org/images/barrels%20002.jpg Signature-- The ONE and ONLY lefthanded-pathetic-paranoid-psychotic-sarcastic-wiseass-ditzy former-blonde in Bloomington! (And proud of it, too)© email me at nalee1964 (at) insightbb (dot) com http://community.webshots.com/user/mgcmdjeep > On Jan 24, 9:40 am, "CatNipped" <CatNip...@PossiblePlaces.com> wrote: >> "jmcquown" <jmcqu...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message [quoted text clipped - 96 lines] > > CatNipped I am not in any way advocating senseless breeding of animals. Let's make that clear from the start here. But you wanting to show him gruesome photos is akin to someone who is against abortion hanging photos of aborted fetuses to get their point across. I don't agree with doing that, either. (And it happened to a friend of mine who was in a cubicle across from a holy roller Jesus type person until she complained to management.) I doubt seriously this guy wants his kids to witness the 'miracle of birth' no matter what he's telling you. If he's one of those who went through the video tape the kids being born phase", tell him to haul out the tapes and show the kids their mother in stirrups screaming and pushing one of them out. There, that's the miracle of birth and isn't it great, Junior? (It'll be enough to put them all off unprotected sex until they are 30!) Jill (It'll >be enough to put them all off unprotected sex until they are 30!) It would be enough to put them off sex period! Lesley Slave of the Fabulous Furballs > (It'll >>be enough to put them all off unprotected sex until they are 30!) >> > It would be enough to put them off sex period! Having a baby certainly put *me* off sex, at least, thats what Joel will tell you! :-) Yowie >> (It'll >>> be enough to put them all off unprotected sex until they are 30!) [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Yowie My mother sometimes calls Snoopy he and Baggy she, when I point out her mistake she says she doesn't remember sex these days. ;-) SignatureAdrian (Owned by Snoopy & Bagheera) Cats leave pawprints on your heart http://community.webshots.com/user/clowderuk > even if every single kitten is cat has is placed in a good home, that's > one less good home that a shelter cat has and one more shelter cat > euthanized because of it. I don't like breeders of *any* sort. I > feel that if you want a cat you should go and rescue one from death, > *not* add to the pet overpopulation problem. You may feel that, but you have no right to impose that on everyone. In some places getting a rescue cat is not an option. Finding one in London is next to impossible (and kitten prices are around 100 pounds for a moggy, there just aren't enough cats to go round). It's not that much easier in Edinburgh. ============== j-c ====== @ ====== purr . demon . co . uk ============== Jack Campin: 11 Third St, Newtongrange EH22 4PU, Scotland | tel 0131 660 4760 <http://www.purr.demon.co.uk/jack/> for CD-ROMs and free | fax 0870 0554 975 stuff: Scottish music, food intolerance, & Mac logic fonts | mob 07800 739 557 >> even if every single kitten is cat has is placed in a good home, that's >> one less good home that a shelter cat has and one more shelter cat >> euthanized because of it. I don't like breeders of *any* sort. I >> feel that if you want a cat you should go and rescue one from death, >> *not* add to the pet overpopulation problem. > You may feel that, but you have no right to impose that on everyone. > In some places getting a rescue cat is not an option. Finding one > in London is next to impossible (and kitten prices are around 100 > pounds for a moggy, there just aren't enough cats to go round). It's > not that much easier in Edinburgh. As far as I am aware, the UK doesn't have the kind of cat overpopulation that we have in the USA. If it's that hard to find a rescue cat, then you're in pretty good shape! In the US, with the large numbers of healthy animals put to death in shelters, the OP is more justified in making the above statement. But as far as I know, it's not against the law to buy a pet from a breeder. So nobody's actually *imposing* anything on anyone. She's just expressing an opinion, and perhaps trying to educate a few folks. Nothing wrong with that. Joyce > >> even if every single kitten is cat has is placed in a good home, that's > >> one less good home that a shelter cat has and one more shelter cat [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > healthy animals put to death in shelters, the OP is more justified in > making the above statement. Perhaps I'm mistaken, but I thought "Cat Nipped" WAS in the UK! > > >> even if every single kitten is cat has is placed in a good home, that's > > >> one less good home that a shelter cat has and one more shelter cat [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > healthy animals put to death in shelters, the OP is more justified in > > making the above statement. > Perhaps I'm mistaken, but I thought "Cat Nipped" WAS in the UK! Yep, you are (mistaken). Unless the UK has annexed Texas, that is. :) Joyce SignatureTo send email to this address, remove the triple-X from my user name. On Jan 24, 4:02 pm, bastXXXe...@sonic.net wrote: > > bastXXXe...@sonic.net wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > -- > To send email to this address, remove the triple-X from my user name. This would be bad? Pam S. acting snarky as usual As we are each entitled to our own point of view, so are we entitled to our choice of where we get a cat or dog. On Jan 24, 4:02 pm, bastXXXe...@sonic.net wrote: > "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <evgm...@earthlink.net> wrote: > > bastXXXe...@sonic.net wrote: [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > -- > To send email to this address, remove the triple-X from my user name. This would be bad? Pam S. acting snarky as usual > On Jan 24, 4:02 pm, bastXXXe...@sonic.net wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > This would be bad? Certain not if they took the "Shrub" away, as well! >> >> even if every single kitten is cat has is placed in a good home, >> that's [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Perhaps I'm mistaken, but I thought "Cat Nipped" WAS in the UK! Nope - CatNipped (AKA Lori) is in Texas, USofA (formerly of NOLA, USofA) Signature-- The ONE and ONLY lefthanded-pathetic-paranoid-psychotic-sarcastic-wiseass-ditzy former-blonde in Bloomington! (And proud of it, too)© email me at nalee1964 (at) insightbb (dot) com http://community.webshots.com/user/mgcmdjeep >> >> even if every single kitten is cat has is placed in a good home, >> that's [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Perhaps I'm mistaken, but I thought "Cat Nipped" WAS in the UK! Nope, I'm in Houston Texas USA! ;> Hugs, CatNipped >> even if every single kitten is cat has is placed in a good home, that's >> one less good home that a shelter cat has and one more shelter cat [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > pounds for a moggy, there just aren't enough cats to go round). It's > not that much easier in Edinburgh. I find that hard to believe after hearing comments on pet overpopulation from the UK members of this group. Anyone in the UK care to comment on this? Tweed? Helen? And, BTW, I'm not imposing anything on anyone - I'm urging someone to not add to the extreme pet overpopulation here in the US. Here's what we have to deal with in the US on a daily basis: http://maxshouse.com/heartache.JPG, and this: http://www.atourhands.com/images/archive/compani/pet69.jpg, and this: http://www.atourhands.com/images/archive/compani/pet74.jpg, and this: http://www.atourhands.com/images/archive/compani/pet72.jpg, and this: http://www.atourhands.com/images/archive/compani/pet73.jpg, and this: http://www.atourhands.com/images/archive/compani/pet84.jpg, and this: http://www.atourhands.com/images/archive/compani/pet29.jpg, and this: http://www.dawnwatch.com/images/BarrelDeadCats.jpg, and this: http://www.ab1634.org/images/euthanized-dogs.gif, and this: http://www.ab1634.org/images/barrels%20004.jpg, and this: http://www.ab1634.org/images/barrels%20002.jpg, and *WAY* too many other instances to show you in one post. And that's only a very few shelters - there are at least on in every city in the US, you just can't imagine the horror. In light of the above, do you still think I should urge a potential breeder to cease and desist? Hugs, CatNipped > ============== j-c ====== @ ====== purr . demon . co . uk > ============== [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > stuff: Scottish music, food intolerance, & Mac logic fonts | mob 07800 739 > 557 > And that's only a very few shelters - there are at least on in every > city in the US, you just can't imagine the horror. In light of the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > CatNipped What does Mr Nature plan to do with the kittens once they are born? What makes him think mama is going to give birth in public? Is he going to stop her from having a nice secluded spot if that is what she wants? If the lesson he wants to teach is that birth is a spectator sport I think he is making a mistake. Rent a nature video and show that to the kids. Andy >> And that's only a very few shelters - there are at least on in every >> city in the US, you just can't imagine the horror. In light of the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > What does Mr Nature plan to do with the kittens once they are born? Good question - he says "give them away". What that really means is that if the local pit bull breeder doesn't come pick them all up to use as dog bait, he'll bring them to the pound and let somebody else do the dirty work and clean up after him. > What > makes him think mama is going to give birth in public? Is he going to > stop > her from having a nice secluded spot if that is what she wants? If the > lesson he wants to teach is that birth is a spectator sport I think he is > making a mistake. Rent a nature video and show that to the kids. Agreed, sigh. I tried, but I have a feeling he's just too cheap to get the spay - and if he can't spay one, it's for sure he won't spay all the kittens before giving them away. Hugs, CatNipped > Andy Cat I answered your question in case you missed it >>> And that's only a very few shelters - there are at least on in every >>> city in the US, you just can't imagine the horror. In light of the [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > >> Andy > Cat I answered your question in case you missed it Thanks, as soon as I knew it was Phil who posted it I did a search for it in google and found it. I can barely stand to look at it, but I hope it's a wake-up call for would-be breeders. Hugs, CatNipped >>>> And that's only a very few shelters - there are at least on in every >>>> city in the US, you just can't imagine the horror. In light of the [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] >> >>> Andy >> Cat I answered your question in case you missed it > > Thanks, as soon as I knew it was Phil who posted it I did a search for it > in google and found it. I can barely stand to look at it, but I hope it's > a wake-up call for would-be breeders. Maybe that and a baseball bat to the head ;-) > Hugs, > [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] >>> >>>> Andy >>> And that's only a very few shelters - there are at least on in every >>> city in the US, you just can't imagine the horror. In light of the [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > use as dog bait, he'll bring them to the pound and let somebody else > do the dirty work and clean up after him. How do you know that is "what it really means"? I think you went way off the scale here, Lori. I do understand that's it's not a great idea for everyone to breed from their moggies and I would try to dissuade them for sure from doing it but it seems to me that you might be going too hot-headed into it which might have the reverse effect to what you are trying to achieve. Had I been that person who wanted to have a litter from my cat you would have made me angry by giving me a photo of piles of dead cats. Softly, softly, catchee monkey. Tweed >> In some places getting a rescue cat is not an option. Finding one >> in London is next to impossible (and kitten prices are around 100 [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > from the UK members of this group. Anyone in the UK care to comment on > this? Tweed? Helen? The UK is not homogeneous, and I doubt the US is either. I suspect that small towns and rural areas have a worse overpopulation problem than cities. It's been years since I've personally seen an obviously uncared-for feral cat in the UK, anyway. (There are some apparently feral cat colonies which really aren't - the gang that hangs round the Powderhall waste incinerator in Edinburgh have been neutered and are fed daily, they're there to do a job). ============== j-c ====== @ ====== purr . demon . co . uk ============== Jack Campin: 11 Third St, Newtongrange EH22 4PU, Scotland | tel 0131 660 4760 <http://www.purr.demon.co.uk/jack/> for CD-ROMs and free | fax 0870 0554 975 stuff: Scottish music, food intolerance, & Mac logic fonts | mob 07800 739 557 > I find that hard to believe after hearing comments on pet overpopulation > from the UK members of this group. Anyone in the UK care to comment on > this? Tweed? Helen? Well neither Helen or Tweed but little ole me.... Of course we have overpopulation and animal shelters. We have a feral cat problem, the one at the Olympic site recently made the news http://www.celiahammond.org/index.php?module=pagemaster&PAGE_user_op=view_page&P AGE_id=3&MMN_position=3:3 We also seem to have quite a lot of "free to good homes" kittens- all of mine have been lucky in that the "Good home" they went to was ours. In two cases the person with their mum knew us and in the case of Fugazi and Isis, Steve grilled us about why we wanted cats, would we have them spayed etc and brought them round so he could inspect the house and watch us interact with them before deciding to leave them with us. In the case of Redunzel and Sarrasine, the woman let us have them because she thought I must love animals after I did an internet search to help her contact a swan rescue (some nasty pieces of work had trapped a female swan and tied her legs together with wire and then let her go- the place where she lives has a young offenders institution but apparently not all the young offenders are safely behind bars. The swan rescue managed to get the swan free but then presumably the same monsters (They don't count as people in my book) smashed the eggs and a few days later fatally wounded the female with an airgun) but if I hadn't had a place for them, they would have gone to a pet shop- I always say they were not rescued but "pre-rescued" But there are plenty of shelters all depending on charity from the big guys like CPL to little shelters like the one I sponsor the FIV cats with. Have recently had news of all 5 and they are all doing well.And we do have kill shelters as well Also keeping cats indoors is still sometimes seen as controversial and only a few years ago I picked up a book on cat care that was just published in this country and still contained the old chestnut about it being better for the queen to have one litter before spaying. (vets over here seem less likely to neuter/spay small kittens about 6 months seems to be the earliest most will do it but that is changing) Lesley Slave of the Fabulous Furballs >>even if every single kitten is cat has is placed in a good home, that's >>one less good home that a shelter cat has and one more shelter cat [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > pounds for a moggy, there just aren't enough cats to go round). It's > not that much easier in Edinburgh. Also, for people with allergies who nevertheless want a cat, their only viable option is one of the thoroughbreds who are less likely to set off allergic reactions - a Sphinx, or one of the Rex breeds. I, too, am opposed to indiscriminate breeding (of pets OR of people) but the plight of unwanted and abandoned children seems more serious than that of cats. (They can cause a lot more damage to society as adults, too.) > In some places getting a rescue cat is not an option. Finding one > in London is next to impossible (and kitten prices are around 100 > pounds for a moggy, there just aren't enough cats to go round). It's > not that much easier in Edinburgh. I'm sorry but that is complete and utter rubbish. There are plenty of rescues in and around London, including Battersea Dogs and Cats home and very active branches of both Cats Protection and the Dogs Trust, as well as numerous smaller rescues.Edinburgh has several too - IIRC it has its own Dogs and Cats home. When i actually lived in London, I worked within a very active rescue organisation that had waiting lists for animals needing to be rehomed. Helen M . When i actually lived in London, I > worked within a very active rescue organisation that had waiting lists > for animals needing to be rehomed. > > Helen M And to make it clear what I mean by that statement - Most shelters have waiting lists of animals waiting to come into the shelter to be rehomed - including the one I worked with - NOT waiting lists of people wanting to adopt animals. Helen M . >> In some places getting a rescue cat is not an option. Finding one >> in London is next to impossible (and kitten prices are around 100 [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > and very active branches of both Cats Protection and the Dogs Trust, > as well as numerous smaller rescues. I am going by what a friend of mine says about her experience in trying to adopt one (it took her weeks of trying all over town) and by the prices you see in the papers, which are *way* over what anybody could get away with if there weren't a shortage. > Edinburgh has several too - IIRC it has its own Dogs and Cats home. It does, at Seafield (our Muriel came from there). Also a badly run independent centre near where I live. They only account for a very small fraction of the cats that change hands. > When i actually lived in London, I worked within a very active rescue > organisation that had waiting lists for animals needing to be rehomed. Waiting lists for the animals or the potential owners? In parts of London, the council operates (or operated, this was a few years ago) a scheme I haven't heard of elsewhere. With a lot of post- industrial waste ground and badly managed warehousing, they have a serious rat problem, so they need a population of non-domestic cats to deal with it. They operate a policy of trapping and *selective* neutering, trying to breed for effective ratters. These cats might look feral but they're really council employees. (I suspect that the developers of the Olympic site just killed all they could find regardless). ==== j a c k at c a m p i n . m e . u k === <http://www.campin.me.uk> ==== Jack Campin, 11 Third St, Newtongrange EH22 4PU, Scotland == mob 07800 739 557 CD-ROMs and free stuff: Scottish music, food intolerance, and Mac logic fonts On Jan 26, 10:32 am, leoparduswei...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: > > In some places getting a rescue cat is not an option. Finding one > > in London is next to impossible (and kitten prices are around 100 > > pounds for a moggy, there just aren't enough cats to go round). That one that worries me a bit- people selling moggies for 100 pound plus. Now I know one should never just give kittens away okay the most I have handed over for two kittens is half a large box of chocolates (It was both to thank the people I had been working with, who had been wonderful and gave me such good feedback that the agency then found me a long term temp contract that eventually became permanent and also to thank the lady who was giving me the kittens i.e. Dunzi and Sarsi) although they cost me in other ways (Went to the vets today for their Hills and brought Royal Canin wet as well) But some people seem to think because the kittens are cute they can make money from them. I looked at some ads a while back and some people were asking 150 for moggies (I don't have a down on moggies by the way all my cats have been moggies and probably always will be) I just worry that if they can get that kind of money it will encourage them to breed the queen again and also what if they don't? Do those kittens get sent to a shelter? Lesley Slave of the Fabulous Furballs . > >>>> I know this is a gruesome question, but I'm trying to talk a person > >>>> in another group out of breeding his cat. Does anyone here [quoted text clipped - 63 lines] > > CatNipped I think it a good thing that you are discouraging this guy from breeding his cat. I'm very much against the breeding of animals when there is an over supply of them. I do hope you are able to convince him. Dewi >>>>> I know this is a gruesome question, but I'm trying to talk a person >>>>> in another group out of breeding his cat. Does anyone here [quoted text clipped - 65 lines] > > CatNipped Exactly! And a good explanation. MaryL > Trust me, I understand about the unwanted cat population problem and shelter > over-population. But do you know the reasons why this person wants to breed [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > reason, not just to create a bunch of kittens he will then abandon or send > off to a shelter. You can disregard my last post - I'd forgotten that "Cat Nipped" was a bit of a fanatic on the subject. (IIRC, she's opposed to deliberate breeding of thoroughbreds, too.) >> Trust me, I understand about the unwanted cat population problem and >> shelter [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > of a fanatic on the subject. (IIRC, she's opposed to deliberate breeding > of thoroughbreds, too.) Nope, second mistake - I have no opinion about thoroughbreds (if you're talking horses) because I know nothing about them. Are you thinking of Karen maybe? Hugs, CatNipped On Jan 24, 2:19 pm, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <evgm...@earthlink.net> wrote: > > Trust me, I understand about the unwanted cat population problem and shelter > > over-population. But do you know the reasons why this person wants to breed [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Nooo! She is not a fanatic. IIRC most, if not all, of her cats were unwanted throw-aways she got from shelters. taking a walk through a through a shelter and looking at the scores of beautiful cats just tossed away would turn anyone with a social conscience into a spokesperson for spay/neuter whenever they get the chance. And it *is* her business. IIRC Archer & Co. were throw-aways she chose from a shelter. She's already taken responsibility for someone else's "problem"---the product of unspayed moggies. I think that makes it her business. Sherry > On Jan 24, 2:19 pm, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" > <evgm...@earthlink.net> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > > Sherry I don't think it makes it any of her business. If the man is going to breed his cat and give the kittens to responsible homes, that's HIS business. She's assuming they aren't going to go to good homes. Sorry, based on her posts here I can't assume that. They may go to fantastic homes where they will be spayed and neutered and all that stuff. Of course I think the thousands of shelter kittens and cats who need good homes. But it sounds like she's making the assumption these kittens won't have a good home. And for that, I'm saying, it's none of her business. Jill >> On Jan 24, 2:19 pm, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" >> <evgm...@earthlink.net> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > > Jill Jill, ONE MORE TIME! Every time someone deliberately breeds an animal EVEN IF THEY ARE GIVEN TO GOOD HOMES - that is ONE LESS HOME for a shelter animal to go to and ONE MORE DEATH OF AN INNOCENT ANIMAL because someone was too ignorant, too cheap, or too lazy to have his animal de-sexed. And that's the last time I'm going to repeat that, because it should be obvious even to MaryL's blind Duffy! Hugs, CatNipped >>> On Jan 24, 2:19 pm, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" >>> <evgm...@earthlink.net> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 68 lines] > > CatNipped Well said. As a matter of fact, my beautiful little Duffy came from a shelter. If I had adopted a cute little kitten from someone down the street, I would not have been available to become Duffy's slave. MaryL >> On Jan 24, 2:19 pm, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" >> <evgm...@earthlink.net> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] > > Jill Well, I think John Donne may have disagreed and I do to some degree also. I do think we need to appreciate our limited effect on people and understand that a few soft words may be better than a baseball bat many times but I also think we are responsible to be heard on what is right. I direct you to Donne's For Whom the Bell Tolls or Whitman's I Sit and Look Out (hope I remembered that right). You have to know the limit but if your limit is not letting people know what you think at all you may as well not exist. So I think Lori needs to tell Mr Nature about how many cats are "discarded" every year in her area but it may be a mistake to show him the gruesome images or to batter him too much with words because it may just push him toward the wrong extreme. I am reminded of a poster in another cat group who never seems to get that and turns people off to their otherwise good advice. Andy >> On Jan 24, 2:19 pm, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" >> <evgm...@earthlink.net> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > > Jill I won't try to speak for anyone else, but speaking for myself...I consider it irresponsible to deliberately breed pets as long as there are untold numbers that are being euthanized because of pet overpopulation. Yes, the person who lets his or her cats have litters of kittens may find "fantastic" homes for all of the offspring -- but that means that the person who gets those kittens will not be available to adopt some of the beautiful little cats and kittens that are in shelters. A very high percentage of those animals are euthanized. One kitten born and adopted privately may not equate to an exact number of unadopted kittens in animal shelters, but there *is* a correlation. MaryL >>> On Jan 24, 2:19 pm, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" >>> <evgm...@earthlink.net> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 70 lines] > > MaryL "I am the voice of the voiceless; through me the dumb shall speak 'till the deaf world's ears are made to hear the wrongs of the wordless weak. And I am my brother's keeper, and I will fight his fights; and speak the words for beast and bird 'till the world shall set things right." ~ Ella Wheeler Wilcox "The worst sin towards our fellow creatures is not to hate them, but to be indifferent to them. That's the essence of inhumanity." ~ George Bernard Shaw "Think occasionally of the suffering of which you spare yourself the sight." ~ Albert Schweitzer Thank you for the support, Mary. I think of Duffy every time I think about the animals in cages, alone, often hurt, and unwanted. It amazes me when I see the transformation he made in your care. Hugs, CatNipped > >>> On Jan 24, 2:19 pm, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" > >>> <evgm...@earthlink.net> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 93 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Good quotes. The quote the H.S. has on the bottom of their stationery, etc., is "Speaking for those who cannot speak for themselves." Sherry > I won't try to speak for anyone else, but speaking for myself...I > consider it irresponsible to deliberately breed pets as long as there [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > kitten born and adopted privately may not equate to an exact number of > unadopted kittens in animal shelters, but there *is* a correlation. I think you are all comparing apples and oranges! The people who decide to adopt a kitten because a neighbor's cat has become a mother are not always likely go to shelters in search of a pet. (And CERTAINLY those who want a purebred are not!) On Jan 26, 11:56 am, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <evgm...@earthlink.net> wrote: > > I won't try to speak for anyone else, but speaking for myself...I > > consider it irresponsible to deliberately breed pets as long as there [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > - Show quoted text - But the people who decide to adopt on impulse because the neighbor's giving away kittens may or may not be a responsible enough owner to spay. "Finding good homes" is important, but no less important is ensuring that the entire litter doesn't reproduce! If this backyard breeder thinks it's fine to produce a litter of moggies, he's not going to be concerned about whether the kittens are altered. That *one* pregnant cat can create a progeny of dozens and dozens *more* moggies. Spay/neuter is the only way to stop the killing. There's just no excuse to create more kittens, when so many healthy ones are killed already. Sherry Sherry >> I won't try to speak for anyone else, but speaking for myself...I >> consider it irresponsible to deliberately breed pets as long as there are [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > always likely go to shelters in search of a pet. (And CERTAINLY those who > want a purebred are not!) What happened? I'm supposed to be resting safely in your killfile. ;0) MaryL >>> I won't try to speak for anyone else, but speaking for myself...I >>> consider it irresponsible to deliberately breed pets as long as there [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > MaryL LOL! (I clean it out, every once in a while, when it gets too full - so far you've not said anything to make me re-plonk you!) > On Jan 24, 2:19 pm, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" > <evgm...@earthlink.net> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > product of unspayed > moggies. I think that makes it her business. That begs the issue of breeding thoroughbred cats, which generally have homes waiting for their kittens! Her argument that offering pedigreed cats for sale prevents shelter cats from finding homes is specious, at best. People who want pedigreed cats usually don't want "ordinary" domestic mixed breeds. (For whatever reasons - which really are no one's business but their own.) Those of us who feel "a cat is a cat" probably already have rescues among our furry family. (Or have been "adopted" by strays that never made it as far as a shelter.) >> On Jan 24, 2:19 pm, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" >> <evgm...@earthlink.net> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > furry family. (Or have been "adopted" by strays that never > made it as far as a shelter.) Also: It is not a perfect world. You can't tell everyone what to do. You have to hope that the net result of how you live makes the world better instead of worse. If others pick up on _that_ it wont matter that some of your friends (like some of mine) want to have a pedegree pet instead of a resue animal. I don't believe that person's affect on the world is zero or less than zero as compared to someone who never brings an animal into their lives _so_ I need to accept the less than perfect outcome. Humans caring about animals tend to cause other humans to care about animals. I would rather my ten neighbors go to the shelter and adopt ten pets who need homes but I still think if they had ten pedegrees it is better than them having nothing. Sheesh Andy, speech by any chance :) Andy >>> On Jan 24, 2:19 pm, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" >>> <evgm...@earthlink.net> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 68 lines] > > Andy That's OK. You managed to say what I was trying to think, better and more nicely than I could. Jo > That's OK. You managed to say what I was trying to think, better and > more nicely than I could. > > Jo Thanks. On Jan 24, 2:19 pm, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <evgm...@earthlink.net> wrote: > jmcquown wrote: > > Trust me, I understand about the unwanted cat population problem and [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Nooo! She is not a fanatic. IIRC most, if not all, of her cats were unwanted throw-aways she got from shelters. taking a walk through a through a shelter and looking at the scores of beautiful cats just tossed away would turn anyone with a social conscience into a spokesperson for spay/neuter whenever they get the chance. And it *is* her business. IIRC Archer & Co. were throw-aways she chose from a shelter. She's already taken responsibility for someone else's "problem"---the product of unspayed moggies. I think that makes it her business. Sherry ================================================ Thanks, Sherry - you're right. All of my cats, for my entire life, have been rescues from a pound. I've never owned and *will* never own a pure-bred cat unless it is from a breed rescue. There are too, too many mutts and moggies put down for my conscience to allow me to "purchase" a cat from a breeder. Every purebred cat that is places takes the life and home from an animal in the pound and I believe that they deserve to have a life, home and love just as much as a purebred. Of my current and recently passed: Bandit(RB) - ran into my front door as a six week old kitten when somebody dumped her in my (then) rural neighborhood - like you don't know about that! ;> Demi - fell out of an engine compartment of a truck that one of DH's coworkers just drove 35 miles to his work. DH put her in a big box with his jacket for a bed until he could bring her home. Jessie - she and her sister (who now owns my son) were rescued from a dumpster outside of his apartment building. Sammy - we grabbed her just before she was brought to the pound in "kitten season" by someone who had a "strange cat had kittens in my closet" - yeah right! Da Boyz, Archer and Ozzy - were literally minutes away from being euthanized when we adopted them from a shelter. All the other cats and dogs in my life have had similar stories. Hugs, CatNipped > On Jan 24, 2:19 pm, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" > <evgm...@earthlink.net> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 82 lines] > Da Boyz, Archer and Ozzy - were literally minutes away from being > euthanized when we adopted them from a shelter. Sorry, I misspoke, let me elaborate. They were minutes away from being euthanized when the fosterer we adopted them asked to take them home so they could be given a few more days (again, this was kitten season last spring). Hugs, CatNipped > All the other cats and dogs in my life have had similar stories. > > Hugs, > > CatNipped Lori that was on Phil's site >>> I know this is a gruesome question, but I'm trying to talk a person in >>> another group out of breeding his cat. Does anyone here remember that [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > >> Jill >>I know this is a gruesome question, but I'm trying to talk a person in >>another group out of breeding his cat. Does anyone here remember that [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > this cat breed indescriminately why would it concern you that he's breeding > his cat? Because there are already far too many unwanted, feral cats in the world? (One assumes we are not speaking of pedigreed thoroughbreds here, in which case the kittens usually have potential "slaves" well before they are born.) Some men seem to extend the notion of "machismo" to their male pets, as well. (And of course there are the clueless parents who want their kids to learn about "the miracle of birth" by observing a mother cat with her kittens - never mind if those kittens are later euthanized by the local animal shelter because the owner couldn't find homes for them.) >>>I know this is a gruesome question, but I'm trying to talk a person >>>in another group out of breeding his cat. Does anyone here remember [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Some men seem to extend the notion of "machismo" to their > male pets, as well. (And of course there are the clueless I love this group but I hate these occasional lapses into nonsensical sexism. Plenty of woman cause needless suffering of animals for moronic reasons but I don't see any reason to enumerate those over "people" in general. This statement seems to border on "men are bad, women are good" Andy >>Some men seem to extend the notion of "machismo" to their >>male pets, as well. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > reasons but I don't see any reason to enumerate those over "people" in > general. This statement seems to border on "men are bad, women are good" Got it in one! ;-) You notice I said "some" men. Don't tell me you've not encountered a few male idiots who somehow equate "neutering" their male cat or dog with being castrated themselves! Women tend to be more realistic about these things - no bemoaning feline hysterectomy because it prevents the cat experiencing "motherhood". (However "sweet" it may be to observe a mother cat with her kittens.) On Jan 25, 11:51 am, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <evgm...@earthlink.net> wrote: > Got it in one! ;-) You notice I said "some" men. Don't > tell me you've not encountered a few male idiots who somehow > equate "neutering" their male cat or dog with being > castrated themselves! Dave when we had to take Speedy Joe was a little "I wouldn't want that done to me and I'm not sure I want it done to my cat" until yours truly pointed that how much unneutered tomcats pee all over the house and how much it stinks and basically "If you don't want it done then you can clean up the mess" after 1 seconds consideration he bundled Speedy into the carrier Wel it was our first cat Lesley Slave of the Fabulous Furballs >>>Some men seem to extend the notion of "machismo" to their >>>male pets, as well. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > prevents the cat experiencing "motherhood". (However > "sweet" it may be to observe a mother cat with her kittens.) You missed the point. In general men and women choose different things to be stupid about. Men may well be stupid about macho more than woman (Duh) but how many men need a fur coat to feel masculine (for example). What ever example one uses it is never necessary in a forum like this to point out the foible of one gender over the other. Both human genders have a long list. Keep that stuff in locker rooms if it is really needed. Andy >>Got it in one! ;-) You notice I said "some" men. Don't >>tell me you've not encountered a few male idiots who somehow [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > to be stupid about. Men may well be stupid about macho more than woman > (Duh) but how many men need a fur coat to feel masculine (for example). "Fur coat"? What's that? Even in cold climates, I've seen very few - even the affluent are more likely to choose "fake" fur. (And modern winter garments provide adequate warmth - one doesn't NEED fur anymore!) > What ever example one uses it is never necessary in a forum like this to > point out the foible of one gender over the other. Both human genders > have a long list. Keep that stuff in locker rooms if it is really > needed. Oh get stuffed! Isn't it just like a man to make an "issue" over something insignificant and ignore the main point? (And they claim WOMEN are "illogical"!) On Jan 26, 11:49 am, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <evgm...@earthlink.net> wrote: > >>Got it in one! ;-) You notice I said "some" men. Don't > >>tell me you've not encountered a few male idiots who somehow [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > "fake" fur. (And modern winter garments provide adequate > warmth - one doesn't NEED fur anymore!) Heh. Unfortunately, the fur industry is alive and well here. At our annual Dalmation Ball humane society fundraiser, there are plenty of little blue-hairs who make their appearance wearing their minks. Granted, they've probably owned them for 40 years and just can't wait for an excuse to wear them --but to an *animal charity* event?? Anyway, as far as new coats, Koslow's still does their annual pre-Christmas advertising blitz, so I assume they have a few customers left for new furs, too. (ugh). So gross. Fake fur looks so much like the real thing these days, I can;t imagine anyone wanting to wear real dead animals. Sherry On Jan 26, 11:49 am, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <evgm...@earthlink.net> wrote: > Outsider wrote: > > "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <evgm...@earthlink.net> wrote in [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > "fake" fur. (And modern winter garments provide adequate > warmth - one doesn't NEED fur anymore!) Heh. Unfortunately, the fur industry is alive and well here. At our annual Dalmation Ball humane society fundraiser, there are plenty of little blue-hairs who make their appearance wearing their minks. Granted, they've probably owned them for 40 years and just can't wait for an excuse to wear them --but to an *animal charity* event?? Anyway, as far as new coats, Koslow's still does their annual pre-Christmas advertising blitz, so I assume they have a few customers left for new furs, too. (ugh). So gross. Fake fur looks so much like the real thing these days, I can;t imagine anyone wanting to wear real dead animals. Sherry Note, I am not recommending or advising it. But real fur isn't just worn for how it looks. It also feels absolutely wonderful and is very light and pliable compared to the fakes. I doubt any artificial substitute would give the same warmth and wind resistance for the weight. I very much enjoyed my parka when I lived in Alaska. If course I sold it when I left as it would have made no sense at all to keep it. Nothing artificial would have served the same purpose as well. When I was a child I just loved to "pet" my mother's silver fox and my aunt's mink. Jo > On Jan 26, 11:49 am, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" > [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > > Jo- Hide quoted text - Admittedly, I don't know anything about furs! Just going by the way they look. (But this is Oklahoma. We have a freak cold snap once in a while, but for the most part, our winters are just not that frigid). Sherry >>On Jan 26, 11:49 am, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" >> [quoted text clipped - 56 lines] > for > the most part, our winters are just not that frigid). Even Minnesota ones were not, after modern down-lined "storm coats" came into existence. Once fur was frequently relegated to "fur trimmed", the fake fur served just as well. (And the "down" lining is generally synthetic - a GENUINE "down" lined coat can cost an arm and a leg and your first-born child!) > Sherry But real fur isn't just worn > for how it looks. It also feels absolutely wonderful and is very light and > pliable compared to the fakes. I doubt any artificial substitute would give > the same warmth and wind resistance for the weight. Good quality fake fur can look and feel like the real thing. When I was about 14 my dad wanted to buy me a "real fur coat" and I managed by dint of telling him that he could do what he wanted but if he got me real fur I would give it an honorable cremation once we got home (It was about the first time he found out his "little girl" had a stubborn streak, trouble was so did he- we used to have some prolonged arguments) to persuade him to buy me a top quality "leopardskin" (I agree with David Sheppard who after hving hearing how they kill leopards for their fur once chased a lady down the street asking her how she would feel if someone shoved a white hot poker into her backside) It was warm, soft and pliable , very wind resistant and light (I would like to say it was identical to the real thing but I have never worn it). It was so authentic some anti fur protestors wanted to throw paint over it and I had to take it off and show them the label to prove it wasn't real It cost 75 pounds in 1972 which was a lot of money but it did have the advantage of not having to be in a cold store in the summer as well as not having cost a leopard their life and it was a lovely coat, you could have walked through a blizzard wearing it and not noticed. I wore it for years until I guess I got bored of it a bit and one of my cousins had it. For all I know it could still be out there Lesley Slave of the Fabulous Furballs On 26 Jan, 13:53, "jofirey" <jofi...@hotmail.com> wrote: But real fur isn't just worn > for how it looks. It also feels absolutely wonderful and is very light and > pliable compared to the fakes. I doubt any artificial substitute would > give > the same warmth and wind resistance for the weight. Good quality fake fur can look and feel like the real thing. When I was about 14 my dad wanted to buy me a "real fur coat" and I managed by dint of telling him that he could do what he wanted but if he got me real fur I would give it an honorable cremation once we got home (It was about the first time he found out his "little girl" had a stubborn streak, trouble was so did he- we used to have some prolonged arguments) to persuade him to buy me a top quality "leopardskin" (I agree with David Sheppard who after hving hearing how they kill leopards for their fur once chased a lady down the street asking her how she would feel if someone shoved a white hot poker into her backside) It was warm, soft and pliable , very wind resistant and light (I would like to say it was identical to the real thing but I have never worn it). It was so authentic some anti fur protestors wanted to throw paint over it and I had to take it off and show them the label to prove it wasn't real It cost 75 pounds in 1972 which was a lot of money but it did have the advantage of not having to be in a cold store in the summer as well as not having cost a leopard their life and it was a lovely coat, you could have walked through a blizzard wearing it and not noticed. I wore it for years until I guess I got bored of it a bit and one of my cousins had it. For all I know it could still be out there ____ I would never, ever have a fur that came from an animal that was bred purely for its fur. It's disgusting. I can do leather as it's a byproduct from the meat industry. I have an old fur coat in my wardrobe. It belonged to my grandmother and it's called beaver lamb. I have good memories of burying my face in this coat when I was a small child in church, and I remember the smell of it even now. What is/was beaver lamb? Does anyone know? Tweed > On 26 Jan, 13:53, "jofirey" <jofi...@hotmail.com> wrote: > But real fur isn't just worn [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > > Tweed I'm pretty sure its also what we used to call "mouton" here. Lambskin, but treated and sheared to have the appearance of beaver. My sister had a really pretty jacket back in the late fifties. In fact my Parka was sheared lamb, but trimmed with wolverine. Your memories are like mine. I'd sit next to my mother in church and snuggle into her fur coat. Jo > I would never, ever have a fur that came from an animal that was bred purely > for its fur. It's disgusting. I can do leather as it's a byproduct from [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > now. > What is/was beaver lamb? Does anyone know? IIRC, it is lambskin (another food animal) sheared to resemble beaver fur. > On Jan 26, 11:49 am, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" > <evgm...@earthlink.net> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > days, I can;t > imagine anyone wanting to wear real dead animals. Nor I! (Even though people will argue that a) "ranch" mink are specifically raised for their skins and b) they're nasty tempered animals anyway.) I don't feel quite the same about the cowhides used for leather, since they are from food animals, which would be slaughtered in any case. Although I think they should be raised and slaughtered humanely, humans ARE omniverous, requiring both animal protein and vegetable matter for optimum health. (I realize we have vegans here who will disagree, and that's your priviledge.) > Sherry >>>Got it in one! ;-) You notice I said "some" men. Don't >>>tell me you've not encountered a few male idiots who somehow [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > over something insignificant and ignore the main point? > (And they claim WOMEN are "illogical"!) You clearly have an issue that has nothing to do with me. I hope you get over it but in the long run it wont matter much to me if you do or you don't. Andy >"Fur coat"? What's that? Even in cold climates, I've seen >very few - even the affluent are more likely to choose >"fake" fur. (And modern winter garments provide adequate >warmth - one doesn't NEED fur anymore!) I love wearing *real* fur around my neck to keep warm. It's one of the warmest natural materials around. My fur neck warmer just happens to purr, give head rubs, and beg for kitty treats ;) Signatureannoyed@net.spammers Craig, Kathi & "Cat Five" the tabby girl "One way that you can tell that 'Mythbusters' has been in the area is to look for shrapnel in the trees." - Jamie Hyneman >>"Fur coat"? What's that? Even in cold climates, I've seen >>very few - even the affluent are more likely to choose [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > My fur neck warmer just happens to purr, give head rubs, and beg for kitty > treats ;) Oh yes! That's on a par with the "fur-covered, musical hot water bottle that never gets cold" - nothing like it on a chilly night! Try this link: http://www.myspace.com/vanessa1969 It's not exactly what you asked for however there are photo's and a video/ short documentary of pound animals being euthanased. The video wasn't gruesome, just very sad and it had me in tears. The myspace page is very busy, if you scroll to the right side of the page and then scroll down about a quarter of the way you will see photos of euthanased cats and dogs in trash cans :( and just above that is a youtube link to the video. Dewi > I know this is a gruesome question, but I'm trying to talk a person in > another group out of breeding his cat. Does anyone here remember that [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > See all my masters here:http://www.PossiblePlaces.com/CatNipped/ >I know this is a gruesome question, but I'm trying to talk a person in >another group out of breeding his cat. Does anyone here remember that >picture of the back of an SPCA where there were hundreds of dead cats in >garbage cans? Do you know where I can get it. Again, sorry for the >gruesome question, but I really want to talk this person out of adding more >moggies to a world overflowing with them. I have that picture. I hope your E-mail address is good; I sent it to you. ~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Life without cats would be only marginally worth living." -TC, and the unmercifully, relentlessly, sweet calico kitty, Kenzie. How you behave towards cats here below determines your status in Heaven. - Robert Heinlein Life is very difficult. Once you understand that, life becomes easier. -Buddha I really don't get this trying to tell someone else what to do. If it weren't for the cat shows on TV showing the beautiful pure bred cats, I can name you about 10 people who would not have gone and rescued one to three cats from a shelter. Each has its purpose. Yes, there are backyard breeders who should be...well, it is illegal to do that to anyone. By the same token, to ban all breeding is not realistic. >>I know this is a gruesome question, but I'm trying to talk a person in >>another group out of breeding his cat. Does anyone here remember that [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Life is very difficult. Once you understand that, life becomes easier. > -Buddha > I really don't get this trying to tell someone else what to do. If it > weren't for the cat shows on TV showing the beautiful pure bred cats, I can > name you about 10 people who would not have gone and rescued one to three > cats from a shelter. Each has its purpose. Yes, there are backyard > breeders who should be...well, it is illegal to do that to anyone. By the I wasn't sure whether this is a purebred cat or not...but regardless, it just depends on the integrity of the breeder. A responsible breeder will ensure their kittens are altered. It's just those people that decide to get a mommy cat and a daddy cat and have lots of babies that get me. I respect your opinion, but I just don't see it as telling someone what to do, as much as standing up for what's right and just doing my part to stop the killing. Sometimes people just aren't aware of the staggering statistics. It's like declaw. They aren't bad people, they just don't know. I think an effective tool in helping the person decide whether breeding their cat is right, is to hand them the euthanasia statistics for the past month, or year, for their *local* shelter. That's enough to make anyone pause and think. Sherry On Jan 25, 8:15 am, "Granby" <s...@joink.com> wrote: > I really don't get this trying to tell someone else what to do. If it > weren't for the cat shows on TV showing the beautiful pure bred cats, I [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > news:479a879c.6699578@news.iphouse.com... I wasn't sure whether this is a purebred cat or not...but regardless, ======================= Nope, it is a stray that he picked up off the street when it was about 3 months old, and then allowed to roam in his neighborhood until it got pregnant. ======================= it just depends on the integrity of the breeder. A responsible breeder will ensure their kittens are altered. It's just those people that decide to get a mommy cat and a daddy cat and have lots of babies that get me. I respect your opinion, but I just don't see it as telling someone what to do, |
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