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Yowie - 21 Jan 2008 09:34 GMT
Shmogg and I had reached an understanding and knew where each other's
boundaries lay. This is not to say that we didn't *test* these boundaries
from time to time, but I had a voice and a water squirter to back it up, and
he had a hiss and claws to back it up. Thus we could tell each other to
'back off' when necessary and not really p*ss each other off.

Pickle doesn't even need a water squirter, a hiss or even a loud "no no
no!". Just a "Pick-LE!" and he stops what he's doing. Except for an
experimental tummy tickle which I quickly understood was Off Limits, we
haven't so far had  a problem. Pickle is a pretty smart cat and generally
steers clear of difficult situations rather than 'pushing his luck' and has
settled down pretty nicely in Chez Chapman

Suki is a different matter all together. She doesn't seem to believe that
discretion is the better part of valour and doggedly (cattedly) continues
doing whatever she wants, whenever she wants. Mostly, this isn't a problem
as we're enslaved household. The problem occurs in the few situations where
we disagree about acceptable catly behaviour.

I don't want cats on the table whilst we're eating, and I don't want cats on
the work bench whilst I'm preparing food. Shmogg learnt this rather quickly
and if he decided to push his luck, he'd get a squirt of water for his
trouble. Pickle has the brain power to know to skedaddle quick smart if
caught on the table or up on the kitchen benches and indeed gets out of the
way of Cary if Cary looks like he's about to mob him in a fit of affection.

Suki just hangs around. She hasn't learnt to avoid Cary, but thankfully Cary
is learning to avoid her. She is the official 'naughty cat' in his mind.
Being totally deaf, she is oblivious to yells of 'no' and sudden loud noises
of discouragement. She seems totally unperturbed by having water squirted at
her, perhaps because she has such long fur its more like off a duck's back
than a cat's. I don't think squirting water in her *face* is appropriate,
particularly when somethimes it would be almost point blank (it would hurt,
get in her eyes etc etc). I am getting very tired of picking her up and
placing her back down on the floor, when the first thing she does is simply
to jump back up and continuing just as she left off. She also tends to use
her full claw action of all 18 claws when interacting with us when none is
called for. Thankfully, the claw clippers keep the actual damage to a
minimum, but the usual hiss, "No!" and withdrawing isn't going to work, and
the 'old faithful' water squirter has been rendered powerless.

This is painting a bleak picture, and its not. Otherwise she's a very
affectionate and loving cat. She's far more sociable than Pickle, who likes
to *observe* but not interact. Suki wants to play, wants to cuddle, wants to
be a lap fungus. She is an excellent greebling catcher and there's not a
live q-tip in the place. The only problem is how to set boundaries for her -
she just doens't seem to get the message.

Any ideas on how to discourage undesirable behaviour in a deaf and very
determined (and possibly not real bright) cat?

Yowie
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Takayuki - 21 Jan 2008 10:06 GMT
>This is painting a bleak picture, and its not. Otherwise she's a very
>affectionate and loving cat. She's far more sociable than Pickle, who likes
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>Any ideas on how to discourage undesirable behaviour in a deaf and very
>determined (and possibly not real bright) cat?

I sometimes lock myself in the den to get away from Buster. :)

As you know with Shmogg, they eventually do mellow out so that they're
sleeping most of the time.  And by the time Suki is that age, Cary
will be in college, too, so it'll be a much easier household to
manage.  What I do with Buster, actually, is invite him to play with
his feather toy whenever I catch him sleeping, so that he becomes all
insomniac and yawny and stumbly, and quickly gives up on any mischief.
:)
LesleyM - 21 Jan 2008 10:43 GMT
 What I do with Buster, actually, is invite him to play with
>his feather toy whenever I catch him sleeping, so that he becomes all
>insomniac and yawny and stumbly, and quickly gives up on any mischief.
> :)

Best way to deal with Sarsi when she takes to waking the household at 5am-
heavy fether onna stick session the night before as late as possible. Makes
sure she sleeps through pretty much (she's inclined to climb onto the bed and
check for conscious Hoomins at 5 every morning, sometimes I even wake up and
give her a quick skritchie before she settles down next to me but if she
hasn't been worn out the night before she'll start scratching where she
shouldn't to get our attention or bouncing on our heads)

Lesley

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Caroline S. - 21 Jan 2008 11:50 GMT
<snip Suki issues>

Yowie,
This is probably a situation where you will have to help Suki teach
hermself not to jump up, by making the surface Unpleasant for a cat.
Sticky tape, or a static mat, or something of the sort at least around
the "landing zones" may help.  I'm not sure what to do about the claws
though. Good luck!

-Caroline S.
Granby - 21 Jan 2008 15:02 GMT
Mr. Lewi, my son's deaf cat responds to stomping on the floor or banding the
counter with something, pan plastic glass etc.  I bought them some canned
air like I use on the PC and that worked wonders to keep him off the
counter.  He definitely doesn't like it and if you have to go toward the
face doesn't hurt just startles.  I know this because I tried it on myself
before him!
> Shmogg and I had reached an understanding and knew where each other's
> boundaries lay. This is not to say that we didn't *test* these boundaries
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>
> Yowie
Sandy DC - 21 Jan 2008 15:08 GMT
> Any ideas on how to discourage undesirable behaviour in a deaf and very
> determined (and possibly not real bright) cat?
>
> Yowie
How about a really bright flashlight shone briefly across the face?  If
nothing else it should startle the cat.
Sandy
Stormmee - 21 Jan 2008 15:33 GMT
I am not sure the water in her face does hurt her, you might check with the
vet to make sure, otherwise you will just have to put off the table,
repeat... these two, not while cooking or eating are two of the very few
rules we have here.  Lee
> Shmogg and I had reached an understanding and knew where each other's
> boundaries lay. This is not to say that we didn't *test* these boundaries
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> If you're paddling upstream in a canoe and a wheel falls off, how many
> pancakes can you fit in a doghouse? None, icecream doesn't have bones.
Marina - 21 Jan 2008 19:04 GMT
> Suki is a different matter all together. She doesn't seem to believe that
> discretion is the better part of valour and doggedly (cattedly) continues
> doing whatever she wants, whenever she wants.

I can only say, Good luck with that. I gave up with Caliban. He always
has to supervise me when I cook, and if I put him down on the floor, he
just boucnes right back like a rubber ball. Over and over and over. At
least he doesn't fight me when I pick him up.

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jofirey - 21 Jan 2008 19:12 GMT
> Shmogg and I had reached an understanding and knew where each other's
> boundaries lay. This is not to say that we didn't *test* these boundaries
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>
> Yowie

OK, she's deaf, but she can feel vibrations.  How about swatting the counter
right next to her before you put her down?  Clapping your hands right in
front of her nose should have the same effect.

Face into you dinner plate can be dealt with by a light flick of your
fingers to the tip of her nose.  (Yes I'm mean, but I'm very gentle with it
and its the only way I can keep my daughters pup from not only putting her
nose in whatever I'm eating, but also trying to put her nose up my nose)

If you need to squirt her right in the face, get a spray bottle you can set
to little more than a mist.

And good luck.  Jake is totally oblivious to anything he doesn't choose to
notice.

Jo
Karen - 23 Jan 2008 04:27 GMT
> Shmogg and I had reached an understanding and knew where each other's
> boundaries lay. This is not to say that we didn't *test* these
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>
> Yowie

I'd put her in another room during those times. She'll learn if she
wants to be out, she stays off.
Ginger-lyn - 24 Jan 2008 18:20 GMT
> Shmogg and I had reached an understanding and knew where each other's
> boundaries lay. This is not to say that we didn't *test* these boundaries
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>
> Yowie

Okay, I am a complete and utter idiot.  How did I miss the new
additions?  Belated Con-cat-ulations!

Not sure I have any suggestions.  Keeping off of table dilemmas can
sometimes be solved by placing alumnium foil in the area (at least I
have heard this).  Suki may not be able to hear it, but it should still
be uncomfortable on her paws.

Otherwise, all I can think of is to use -- regularly -- the conventional
wisdom of getting cats to behave (yeah, like *I* can do it -- lol!),
which is to reward the *good* behavior.  Pets and treats, since she
can't hear the "good kitty" thing.

At any rate, I hope you can work it out.  And I am so sorry I somehow
missed your post about the new ones!  (hangs head)

Ginger-lyn

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Christina Websell - 26 Jan 2008 20:13 GMT
> Shmogg and I had reached an understanding and knew where each other's
> boundaries lay. This is not to say that we didn't *test* these boundaries
[quoted text clipped - 48 lines]
> Any ideas on how to discourage undesirable behaviour in a deaf and very
> determined (and possibly not real bright) cat?

Suki may have not had any boundaries before because it's so difficult to
introduce them with a deaf animal.  I have no experience at all with deaf
cats so my advice will probably be useless.
In your position this is what I would do.  I would knock her down off the
worktops and table quite firmly then so she begins to realise that getting
up there provides no rewards. Before I knocked her off I would probably bang
the table/worktop when she got on it and puff her near her face with a can
of air for a couple of weeks.  If this did not work after that she would be
swept off there for certain every time she tried it.
I love my cats. They are not allowed on the table, on the worktops where I
prepare food, or in my bedroom.

Tweed
Yowie - 26 Jan 2008 21:05 GMT
<snip>

> Any ideas on how to discourage undesirable behaviour in a deaf and very
> determined (and possibly not real bright) cat?

Thanks for all your advice. The squirter set on 'mist' directly in the face
seems effective. Its not as good as squirting from a distance as I have to
get to her before I can mist her, but its better than nothing. The squirt
was always good because you could squirt the water bottle without necessariy
having to get up off the lounge. Maybe Suki will get me fitter. LOL.

Yowie
Mark Edwards - 26 Jan 2008 22:12 GMT
>The squirt was always good because you could squirt the water bottle
> without necessariy having to get up off the lounge. Maybe Suki will get
>me fitter. LOL.

Isn't that what cats are best at - giving us fits (big grin)?

Hugs and Purrs,
Mark
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polonca12000 - 28 Jan 2008 21:54 GMT
> Shmogg and I had reached an understanding and knew where each other's
> boundaries lay. This is not to say that we didn't *test* these boundaries
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> as we're enslaved household. The problem occurs in the few situations where
> we disagree about acceptable catly behaviour.
<snip>
> Any ideas on how to discourage undesirable behaviour in a deaf and very
> determined (and possibly not real bright) cat?
>
> Yowie

No ideas, but lots of purrs and best wishes,
Polonca and Soncek

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