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pasoshirleyb@gmail.com - 13 Jan 2008 22:18 GMT
HI guys. I haven't posted in forever, my part-time job has turned into
a monster, but at least I'm earning a little $$.

I need HELP !

Some of you may remember, I have a 6 yr old male Siamese, Rexie, whom
I've had since he was 3.5 weeks old. My baby. I'm his, he's mine. He
had the kingdom to himself for 4 or so years, and then maMA and Loki
came. There story is that 2 years ago, during a severe heat wave of
105 degrees for three weeks, a starving little female cat came to the
porch. I gave her water and finally some food, We realized she was
pregnant. We got her spayed, but she turned up two weeks later with a
litter of five. I found homes for all but the boy [named, Loki]. Then
his mama [now 'maMA' ]decided to stay. So we had three.

They get along fine for the most part, cause Rex really doesn't pay
them much mind. But he spits at mama and fights/plays with Loki. Loki
is now over a year and as tall as Rexie, but not as bulky. Rexie
usually wins in confrontations or jumps on me for sanctuary.

The problem:  This last month or so, Rexie has been periodically
pooping or urinating not in his box. It's only happened about 10 times
all together. Except for one time, he's done it in my computer room,
under the desk or table. I've even changed litter boxes. We thought he
was getting paranoid to go in there because Loki would jump on top of
it and attack Rex on his way out! So I got a ckear one so Rex can see.

I use a really good pet odor remover and have saturated the area with
it. I'm sure with cats' sense of smell he can still smell it tho. I
now have a plywood board cut to size under the desk and table, but
this morning he urinated on the board! [So I just removed it, put
another there inside a black garbage bag!]

HELP !!!

Before anyone answers, here's what we've done. First, took him to the
vet to make sure there's nothing wrong. Keep the litter box pristine,
and I mean, pristine. I scoop three times a day. I try to avoid the
jealously thing by spending every free minute with Rex, and he does
jump up and sleep with me at night. I've thought about another litter
box, but I don't have the room. As I said, I'm doing the best I can
with removing the odor, but . . . .

Some of you have cats that are a little older, or who've had new
roommates. Please! I'm counting on you guys to have good suggestions
for me.

At my wits' end,
Rexie's mommy, ShirleyB
bobblespin - 14 Jan 2008 00:28 GMT
> HI guys. I haven't posted in forever, my part-time job has turned into
> a monster, but at least I'm earning a little $$.
[quoted text clipped - 45 lines]
> At my wits' end,
> Rexie's mommy, ShirleyB

The only problem I see is that you need more than one box.  One of my
cats wouldn't set foot in a box used by the others, even though it was
scooped 3 times a day.  When I had 3 cats, I had 4 litter boxes and that
solved the problem.  I know you don't have room for another one, but
it's worth trying to find a spot for another one, even if it's not in
the best possible place (people-wise).

Bobble
Granby - 14 Jan 2008 01:11 GMT
I have three cats and two boxes.  I added a shoebox size box in the dog
cage, their time out place and that one gets used a lot.  They don't all
three use the same box, like prissy cats I guess.

>> HI guys. I haven't posted in forever, my part-time job has turned into
>> a monster, but at least I'm earning a little $$.
[quoted text clipped - 54 lines]
>
> Bobble
Takayuki - 14 Jan 2008 02:41 GMT
>Some of you have cats that are a little older, or who've had new
>roommates. Please! I'm counting on you guys to have good suggestions
>for me.

You have such wonderful little kitties.  I love Rexie - he looks so
soft.

When I tried to integrate Dot, a 10 year old girl, and Buster, a 1
year old boy, I had pee and poop issues too with Dot.  I got them four
litter boxes of different types - covered, uncovered, shallow, deep,
lipped, unlipped, with different brands of litter in different depths.
Areas where Dot peed or pooped, I would replace with yet another
litter box, block it off, or place aluminum foil.

Another thing I did was make the area near the litter boxes
inhospitable to hanging out.  No soft places to sleep, no toys to play
with nearby, so that Buster wouldn't be attracted to those areas, and
they would normally be quiet.

Repeated and refined over and over, Dot was finally steered
consistently to the litter boxes, and there haven't been any accidents
since.
Marina - 14 Jan 2008 04:39 GMT
> Some of you have cats that are a little older, or who've had new
> roommates. Please! I'm counting on you guys to have good suggestions
> for me.

I'm afraid I only have the same advice others have given: more
litterboxes. They say you need as many boxes as you have cats + 1. So
with 3 cats, you need 4 boxes according to that theory. I've always had
2 cats and 2 boxes, and that works fine. I do understand about space
limitations. I'm lucky at the moment to live in a flat with a small
sauna, which I don't use, so it's the cats' room with litterboxes and a
soft bed on the upper bench. But I've lived in really small studio
apartments, where I had to have the boxes in places where they were a
bit in the way. Purrs that you find a solution.

Signature

Marina, Miranda and Caliban. In loving memory of Frank and Nikki.

PasoShirleyB - 14 Jan 2008 14:10 GMT
> pasoshirl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Some of you have cats that are a little older, or who've had new
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> --
> Marina, Miranda and Caliban. In loving memory of Frank and Nikki.

Thanks, Marina, Takayuki, Grandy and Bobblespin for the suggestions.
Your consensus seems to be getting at least one more litterbox. My
hubby is confused, tho. He says that maMA and Loki have been with us
over a year now, and this is just happening the last month,
so . . . ?

But I think I will dig the old litterbox out of the garage (it's in
there somewhere, along with a buried treasure that I can't seem to
find !! )

That might give me an indication. I'll keep you guys posted
[literally]. Again, thanks for the advice.
ShirleyB
bobblespin - 14 Jan 2008 15:22 GMT
PasoShirleyB <pasoshirleyb@gmail.com> wrote in news:f87a5727-d1d7-4423-
ac55-f26e78e5b03f@d70g2000hsb.googlegroups.com:

> Thanks, Marina, Takayuki, Grandy and Bobblespin for the suggestions.
> Your consensus seems to be getting at least one more litterbox. My
> hubby is confused, tho. He says that maMA and Loki have been with us
> over a year now, and this is just happening the last month,
> so . . . ?

Something could have happened while he was in the box which you didn't see
happening, perhaps a loud noise, and now he associates the box with
something unpleasant and avoids it.  It doesn't take much to scare a cat
and change his ways.  Hope the extra box solves the problem.  Maybe putting
it where he does his business now, and gradually moving it somewhere more
convenient for you.
Bobble

> But I think I will dig the old litterbox out of the garage (it's in
> there somewhere, along with a buried treasure that I can't seem to
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> [literally]. Again, thanks for the advice.
> ShirleyB
Daniel Mahoney - 14 Jan 2008 20:28 GMT
I'll agree with the others and suggest at least one more litter box. I
currently have 6 cats and 8 boxes (yes, it is a chore trying to keep them
clean!) but that seems to work.

You might also try putting Feliway diffusers in the rooms where Rexie
spends most of his time, and for sure one in the room where he tends to
litter inappropriately. If there are conflict issues that you aren't
seeing, the Feliway diffuser can help reduce those tensions.

Dan
PasoShirleyB - 14 Jan 2008 23:24 GMT
> I'll agree with the others and suggest at least one more litter box. I
> currently have 6 cats and 8 boxes (yes, it is a chore trying to keep them
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Dan

Thanks Dan. Further to my previous post. I put a new litterbox in
there and Rex used it. I know it was him because of the toxic smell
[ nothing to do with current prob , it's always been toxic ].  Now
should I leave the feces in there to establish that it's his, or keep
it really clean? My instinct is to leave it.
Thanks, Shirl
Marina - 15 Jan 2008 04:39 GMT
> Thanks Dan. Further to my previous post. I put a new litterbox in
> there and Rex used it. I know it was him because of the toxic smell
> [ nothing to do with current prob , it's always been toxic ].  Now
> should I leave the feces in there to establish that it's his, or keep
> it really clean? My instinct is to leave it.

My instinct says to leave it, too. Both for the other cats to keep away
and for Rex to remember that he used it.

Now let me reveal this deep, dark secret about my beautiful, dainty
little Miss Mir: her waste also smells toxic. It's incredible how such
gorgeous little creatures like your Rex and my Mir can produce such
toxicity. ;)

Signature

Marina, Miranda and Caliban. In loving memory of Frank and Nikki.

Granby - 15 Jan 2008 04:46 GMT
My O. T. is the same way, I can not believe that I could possible feed him
anything that could smell that bad.  I would leave a little in the box when
I cleaned it until he gets the idea, and the others too, that it is HIS box.
>> Thanks Dan. Further to my previous post. I put a new litterbox in
>> there and Rex used it. I know it was him because of the toxic smell
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> Miss Mir: her waste also smells toxic. It's incredible how such gorgeous
> little creatures like your Rex and my Mir can produce such toxicity. ;)
PasoShirleyB - 15 Jan 2008 05:25 GMT
> > Thanks Dan. Further to my previous post. I put a new litterbox in
> > there and Rex used it. I know it was him because of the toxic smell
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> --
> Marina, Miranda and Caliban. In loving memory of Frank and Nikki.

It's funny, when I first got Rexie at 3.5 weeks, I took a stool sample
to the vet rather than disturb him at such a young age. But when they
caught a whiff . . . they had me bring him in. They ran tests but
nothing wrong. She said some males, especially Siamese, are like that.

The strange thing is, that was almost six years ago; and last Saturday
as my hubby was waking up, Rexie dumped, and the bathroom w/litte box
is 10 feet from our bed. Jim couldn't beleive it. Said it was never
that bad! I informed him that my nose is one foot from that box 3
times a day, and I'd appreciate him NOT telling me what I'd been
inhaling for six years! I've always wondered why Jim never laughed
about like I did, but I hadn't realized he'd never really inhaled a
lungful before [and he's a wine connoisseur!]

Anyway, think I'll cover it w/litter and leave it there as you suggest
[oh, and Rexie has never mastered the covering thing. He digs and
throws litter around for 10 minutes, and there sits the little pile of
steaming, shall we say, 'dung' ??]

Night all, and thanks.
ShirleyB
Steve Touchstone - 15 Jan 2008 10:31 GMT
<snip>
>Anyway, think I'll cover it w/litter and leave it there as you suggest
>[oh, and Rexie has never mastered the covering thing. He digs and
>throws litter around for 10 minutes, and there sits the little pile of
>steaming, shall we say, 'dung' ??]

Rocky never got the "cover up" idea either. I always thought it might
have something to do with marking his territory, along with spraying.
Anyway, when Rocky (RB) finally decided to use the inside toilet
Little Bit used to follow behind him and cover up the offending mess.
Signature

Steve Touchstone,
faithful servant of Sammy, Little Bit, Spot,
Princess and Furby
with loving memories of Rocky (RB)

Christine K. - 15 Jan 2008 15:28 GMT
Steve Touchstone kirjoitti:

> <snip>
>> Anyway, think I'll cover it w/litter and leave it there as you suggest
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Anyway, when Rocky (RB) finally decided to use the inside toilet
> Little Bit used to follow behind him and cover up the offending mess.

Neither Nico nor Laku cover up their poops either. They scratch
vigorously along the edge of the litter pan and even the walls, but very
rarely do they actually touch the litter to cover up anything.

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Christine in Laitila, Finland
christal63 (at) gmail (dot) com

Marina - 15 Jan 2008 17:28 GMT
> Neither Nico nor Laku cover up their poops either. They scratch
> vigorously along the edge of the litter pan and even the walls, but very
> rarely do they actually touch the litter to cover up anything.

Caliban wrinkles his nose and looks utterly disgusted while he waves his
paw some inches *above* the pile he just produced.

Signature

Marina, Miranda and Caliban. In loving memory of Frank and Nikki.

Daniel Mahoney - 15 Jan 2008 17:15 GMT
> Anyway, think I'll cover it w/litter and leave it there as you suggest
> [oh, and Rexie has never mastered the covering thing. He digs and
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Night all, and thanks.
> ShirleyB

Harri had that problem when we were in the truck. She'd spend 5 minutes
digging and throwing litter, then when she was done I'd have litter spread
all over the floor of the truck and Harri's recent "gift" uncovered.

And every once in a while she'd leave a little pile that would peel the
paint off the dashboard. She brought tears to my eyes with the odor more
than once.

Dan
bobblespin - 15 Jan 2008 18:52 GMT
> Harri had that problem when we were in the truck. She'd spend 5
> minutes digging and throwing litter, then when she was done I'd have
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Dan

Tuffy never, ever covered his business in his 17 years on earth. He would
do the deed, get a whif, and run for his life.

Bobble
tanadashoes - 15 Jan 2008 21:22 GMT
> > Thanks Dan. Further to my previous post. I put a new litterbox in
> > there and Rex used it. I know it was him because of the toxic smell
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> --
> Marina, Miranda and Caliban. In loving memory of Frank and Nikki.

Miss Calico Girl and Pine Cone are little stinkers too.  Pine Cone's
eau d'parfume depends on what the little monster has been eating.  MCG
is just a stinker.  She uses the box, takes a whiff, then glares at me
like I crawled from under a rock and left that there to torment her.
I do my best not to laugh.

Pam S.
Susan M - 15 Jan 2008 04:59 GMT
> Thanks Dan. Further to my previous post. I put a new litterbox in
> there and Rex used it. I know it was him because of the toxic smell
> [ nothing to do with current prob , it's always been toxic ].  Now
> should I leave the feces in there to establish that it's his, or keep
> it really clean? My instinct is to leave it.
> Thanks, Shirl

Glad to know that the extra litterbox worked for you.  I have 3 boxes
for my 2 boys too and its the only way that Otis will use the box.

My instinct would be to leave it for a little while.

Susan M
Otis and Chester
polonca12000 - 16 Jan 2008 22:44 GMT
> HI guys. I haven't posted in forever, my part-time job has turned into
> a monster, but at least I'm earning a little $$.
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
> At my wits' end,
> Rexie's mommy, ShirleyB

No suggestions unfortunately, but lots of purrs and best wishes,
Polonca and Soncek
PasoShirleyB - 17 Jan 2008 07:48 GMT
> pasoshirl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > HI guys. I haven't posted in forever, my part-time job has turned into
[quoted text clipped - 30 lines]
>
> - Show quoted text -

Sheesh! I thought it was just Rexie. I'm just afraid he'll drop a pile
right as company arrives, there's no way to disguise that smell!

An update, tho.  Its been two days with the add'l litterbox. I think
maMA is using it also, but definitely Rex is. No problems anywehre
ele, but I'Ve been keepin a close eye on him. Here's a pic of the
three hooligans: [URL=http://pets.webshots.com/photo/
2623653770064690968AwkUdE][IMG]http://thumb8.webshots.net/t/
50/750/6/53/77/2623653770064690968AwkUdE_th.jpg[/IMG][/URL]
Yikes, didn't think it would be so long!  If that link doesn't work,
I'll do a new one.
Please keep ur fingers crossed for us!

ShirleyB
LesleyM - 17 Jan 2008 10:14 GMT
>Sheesh! I thought it was just Rexie. I'm just afraid he'll drop a pile
>right as company arrives, there's no way to disguise that smell!

Sorry- having the most disgusting dump when you have company is just
something cats do. The more important the occasion the worse the smell...A
friend of mine was meeting her future in-laws for the first time when she
became aware of a most dreadful stench as this was their house, she didn't
say anything even through everyone's eyes were watering until finally her
soon to be FIL said "I'm really sorry about this you see we have a ..." and
she filled in "cat"

Lesley

Slave of the Fabulous Furballs
PasoShirleyB - 18 Jan 2008 06:06 GMT
> >Sheesh! I thought it was justRexie. I'm just afraid he'll drop a pile
> >right as company arrives, there's no way to disguise that smell!
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> --
> Message posted via CatKB.comhttp://www.catkb.com/Uwe/Forums.aspx/cat-anecdotes/200801/1

And they still got married??  8)

Well, tonight I'm upset. After two pleasant days, this evening Rex got
a toenail caught in the rug and I had to do the awful torture of
clipping a couple nails - mind, I have NEVER hurt him. I'm very
careful and slow.

Well, the little b----ard tried to lay into me with his fangs and even
got a claw embedded into my finger, not deeply though. I automatically
swatted his butt as he escaped.

Ten minutes later I caught him in my computer room (in a lapsed
moment, I'd left the door open) under the table, doing the 'covering'
thing. I yelled and slapped the wall and he ran out, but I think I
caught the little bugger just in time. Though he may, and I emphasize
'may' have been smelling the solution I've put down, and the rug is
still a bit damp.

I'm going to go gray, have a nervous breakdown and drink myself to
sleep - oh damn, I have to work in the morning!!!

Shirl,
 (bedraggled servant of Rex, maMA and Loki)

Night!
Daniel Mahoney - 17 Jan 2008 21:45 GMT
> An update, tho.  Its been two days with the add'l litterbox. I think
> maMA is using it also, but definitely Rex is. No problems anywehre
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> I'll do a new one.
> Please keep ur fingers crossed for us!

What beautiful kitties! Loki looks quite a bit like Harri Roadcat.
polonca12000 - 17 Jan 2008 21:56 GMT
> Sheesh! I thought it was just Rexie. I'm just afraid he'll drop a pile
> right as company arrives, there's no way to disguise that smell!
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> ShirleyB

They are adorable!
Best wishes,
Polonca and Soncek
sam - 18 Jan 2008 03:17 GMT
> Sheesh! I thought it was just Rexie. I'm just afraid he'll drop a pile
> right as company arrives, there's no way to disguise that smell!
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> ShirleyB
Great looking kitties.  And so regally enthroned.

Sam, supervised by Mistletoe

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