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Cat Forum / Cat Anecdotes / January 2008Dog Encounters Bigger Cat Than He Expected
A lab/golden retriever mix dog got more than he bargained for when he wandered into the Memphis zoo and jumped into the 'Cat Country' enclosure. http://tinyurl.com/27zkg4 He was mauled by a Sumatran tiger. The dog has been treated by zoo officials and they are trying to locate its owners. I know the story isn't remotely funny but I can just imagine the look on that dog's face when it ran into a 900 lb. cat. "Ooops! Nice kitty kitty... nice kitty!" Jill > A lab/golden retriever mix dog got more than he bargained for when he > wandered into the Memphis zoo and jumped into the 'Cat Country' enclosure. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Jill I find it worrisome that the dog could get _into_ the enclosure. Is there a chance the tiger could get out as happened recently? BTW, I don't have time to read the article at work but did they really say that the Sumatran (a small variety of tiger) weighed that much? Our Airdales, which were playfully aggressive with cats (never hurt them but loved to harrass them) met a bobcat once. It was bad for everyone involved. Will in New Haven -- >> A lab/golden retriever mix dog got more than he bargained for when he >> wandered into the Memphis zoo and jumped into the 'Cat Country' [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Will in New Haven If you're referring to the kids who got into the tiger enclosure in a zoo, San Francisco? recently... I'd have to say yes, it's pretty easy to get into a cat enclosure at a zoo. If you're a limber kid you can certainly climb 18 feet (although they have no real idea how high that wall was, which amazes me). I used to climb rocks and trees when I was a kid, some 30 feet up sometimes. I wouldn't have been stupid enough to tease tigers and then go into the enclosure, though. There's debate about whether or not there was water in the moat at the San Francisco zoo. Frankly, I think tigers like to bathe so that wouldn't be a deterrant... just IMO. Sure, a dog could easily get into an enclosure and swim across the moat at the Memphis zoo. Labs/golden retrievers love water. They're trained to retrieve ducks in deep ponds. The zoo personnel saw the dog when it came in and tried to track it but lost it along the many paths. I live here; I know how confusing this zoo can be. They only realized it had gotten into the cat enclosure later when people started yelling. They distracted the big cats with fireworks and smoke bombs and treated the dog. Jill >>> A lab/golden retriever mix dog got more than he bargained for when he >>> wandered into the Memphis zoo and jumped into the 'Cat Country' [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > to > bathe so that wouldn't be a deterrant... just IMO. Just a correction: the "kids" attacked in SFZoo were not IN the tiger's enclosure (I say "kids" as they were not little kids, but teenagers). There has been no confirmation that they were the ones that were teasing/heckling the tigers, but there was some teasing/heckling involved, including *someone* sticking their leg between the bars of the enclsure. It was *after* this that the (dear departed :( ) tiger escaped the enclosure and mauled the victims. > Sure, a dog could easily get into an enclosure and swim across the moat at > the Memphis zoo. Labs/golden retrievers love water. They're trained to [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Jill  Signature-- The ONE and ONLY lefthanded-pathetic-paranoid-psychotic-sarcastic-wiseass-ditzy former-blonde in Bloomington! (And proud of it, too)© email me at nalee1964 (at) insightbb (dot) com http://community.webshots.com/user/mgcmdjeep "jmcquown" <jmcquown@bellsouth.net> wrote in message > If you're referring to the kids who got into the tiger enclosure in a zoo, > San Francisco? recently... I'd have to say yes, it's pretty easy to get > into a cat enclosure at a zoo. If you're a limber kid you can certainly > climb 18 feet (although they have no real idea how high that wall was, > which amazes me). Oh, they knew exactly how high that wall was. They simply lied about it. Not only to inspectors, over the years, but also to police, after the tragic incident occurred on Dec. 25. Joyce PS - A few years ago, Animal Planet had a segment about Cat Country at the Memphis Zoo. I'd love to see it sometime! SignatureTo send email to this address, remove the triple-X from my user name. > "jmcquown" <jmcquown@bellsouth.net> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > PS - A few years ago, Animal Planet had a segment about Cat Country at > the Memphis Zoo. I'd love to see it sometime! Dog incident notwithstanding, the Memphis zoo is a nice place to visit :) Jill >> "jmcquown" <jmcquown@bellsouth.net> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Dog incident notwithstanding, the Memphis zoo is a nice place to > visit :) I'm a bit confused about this. Surely if the dog can get in the tigers can get out. Tweed >>> "jmcquown" <jmcquown@bellsouth.net> wrote in message >>> [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Tweed Nope. The dog jumped down into a deep pit and swam across a moat. Jill >>I'm a bit confused about this. Surely if the dog can get in the >>tigers can get out. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Jill Yeah, it's a lot easier to jump down INTO a pit than up OUT of it! On Jan 10, 12:40 pm, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <evgm...@earthlink.net> wrote: > >>I'm a bit confused about this. Surely if the dog can get in the > >>tigers can get out. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Yeah, it's a lot easier to jump down INTO a pit than up OUT > of it! This should be the link to the video on CNN.com. http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2008/01/10/powell.dog.attacked.by.tiger.wreg You can see how easy it was for her to get into the enclosure, but it would be very hard for the cats to get out. Everything is slanted to the inside with the moat being deep and wide enough to keep the Tigers from getting a footing anywhere. One article I read said that when they used smoke and noise to distract the tigers and opened their night house (cave), the cats were more than willing to go inside and leave the dog. She lay there so still they thought she was dead, but then got up and was able to walk out. The Zoo says it is not unusual for the neighborhood pets to try to come in the service entrance, but they usually catch them and send them on their way. This one was a bit too agile I guess. A really sweet looking dog. I hope they find her owners. An yes . . . they are calling her "Tiger". They said "Lucky" was just too much of an understatement. I think what probably saved her a bit was that the Tiger was as shocked to see her as she was to see such a large kitty. Marilyn in Memphis/Germantown > On Jan 10, 12:40 pm, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" > <evgm...@earthlink.net> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > This should be the link to the video on CNN.com. http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2008/01/10/powell.dog.attacked.by.tiger.wreg > You can see how easy it was for her to get into the enclosure, but it > would be very hard for the cats to get out. Everything is slanted to [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Marilyn in Memphis/Germantown Hi Marilyn! Jill in Cordova On Jan 9, 5:06 pm, "Christina Websell" <spamf...@tinawebsell.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote: > > bastXXXe...@sonic.net wrote: > >> "jmcquown" <jmcqu...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Tweed That's what I thought at first but the dog got in by jumping _down_ and then swimming. A tiger could swim across the moat but couldn't jump up from the water. I hope the silly dog is ok. And the tiger too, although I doubt the tiger was hurt. Maybe upset at losing prey. Will in New Haven -- "I don't mind hidden depths but I insist that there be a surface." -- James Nicoll > >> A lab/golden retriever mix dog got more than he bargained for when he > >> wandered into the Memphis zoo and jumped into the 'Cat Country' [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > If you're referring to the kids who got into the tiger enclosure in a zoo, > San Francisco? recently. No, the tiger got _out_ and attacked three people who may have been taunting her. The assumption that they had been was all over the net but the proof that they had has not come out, as far as I know. It appears very likely that the young man who was killed was not the one she singled out for her first attack but simply stayed, along with another who was badly mauled, trying to get her off her first victim. I am really sorry that the tiger was killed but I think those three young men have been unfairly maligned. .. I'd have to say yes, it's pretty easy to get into > a cat enclosure at a zoo. If you're a limber kid you can certainly climb 18 > feet (although they have no real idea how high that wall was, which amazes [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > water in the moat at the San Francisco zoo. Frankly, I think tigers like to > bathe so that wouldn't be a deterrant... just IMO. Lack of water in the moat would have simply made the wall effectively higher. On reflection, I realize that the fact that a dog or a human got in does not mean that a tiger could get out since climbing or jumping down would be easier than up. Will in New Haven -- > Sure, a dog could easily get into an enclosure and swim across the moat at > the Memphis zoo. Labs/golden retrievers love water. They're trained to [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > cat enclosure later when people started yelling. They distracted the big > cats with fireworks and smoke bombs and treated the dog. > Jill- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - > If you're referring to the kids who got into the tiger enclosure in a zoo, > San Francisco? recently... I'd have to say yes, it's pretty easy to get into [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > water in the moat at the San Francisco zoo. Frankly, I think tigers like to > bathe so that wouldn't be a deterrant... just IMO. If the program on Animal Planet that showed tiger cubs playing in a river were authentic, yes, they do! (Even though most cats are supposed to hate water, I've had some with whom a spray bottle of water was no deterrent for anything they wanted to do - I could spray till they were dripping wet, and it had no effect!) > ... > Even > though most cats are supposed to hate water, I've had some > with whom a spray bottle of water was no deterrent for > anything they wanted to do - I could spray till they were > dripping wet, and it had no effect! I've heard that it's not the water that has the deterrent effect (I've been owned by cats that loved the rain), it's the hissing sound made by the spray bottle. Imitating the sound using your own mouth should have the same effect - especially if the cat believes you to be the dominant male / female. SignatureMatSav >>... >>Even [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > own mouth should have the same effect - especially if the cat > believes you to be the dominant male / female. Whatever. Miu, especially (the one who threatened my cat collection whenever he thought I'd been on the telephone too long) never let antyhing distract him when he wanted to do something! Believe me, I tried hissing, hand-clapping, and everything else I could think of - he was one stubborn cat! (Who was it who said "you can never out-stubborn a cat"?) On Jan 10, 1:45 pm, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <evgm...@earthlink.net> wrote: > >>... > >>Even [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > everything else I could think of - he was one stubborn > cat! (Who was it who said "you can never out-stubborn a cat"?) Robert A. Heinlein, but Feather told him "I'm not stubborn, Mr. Heinlein. I'm just in charge" Will in New Haven -- > - Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - >> There's debate about whether or not there was water in the >> moat at the San Francisco zoo. Frankly, I think tigers like to >> bathe so that wouldn't be a deterrant... just IMO. > If the program on Animal Planet that showed tiger cubs > playing in a river were authentic, yes, they do! (Even > though most cats are supposed to hate water [snip] Tigers are well-known for their love of water and being good swimmers. It's unusual within the cat family, but there you have it. It's just another application of the Law of Cat Uniqueness, with which all of us here are quite familiar: For any statement one could make about "all cats", there exists at least one cat who disproves that statement. :) I guess this also applies to cat *species*. (Oh, there's also the fishing cat. I don't know if they swim, but if their main source of food is fish, I would imagine they get into the water a fair amount!) Joyce SignatureTo send email to this address, remove the triple-X from my user name. >>> There's debate about whether or not there was water in the >>> moat at the San Francisco zoo. Frankly, I think tigers like to [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Joyce I think almost all cats are capable of swimming it's just most choose not too. SignatureAdrian (Owned by Snoopy & Bagheera) Cats leave pawprints on your heart http://community.webshots.com/user/clowderuk > I think almost all cats are capable of swimming it's just most choose not > too. Hehehe. I just had a flashback of Caliban paddling through the sea with his head determinedly held high above the water. It is indelibly etched on my mind. SignatureMarina, Miranda and Caliban. In loving memory of Frank and Nikki. >>>>There's debate about whether or not there was water in the >>>>moat at the San Francisco zoo. Frankly, I think tigers like to [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > I think almost all cats are capable of swimming it's just most choose not > too. Yes, they will if they HAVE to, to avoid drowning. (Although my former accompanist swore that, when a Siamese stray his mom was feeding accidently fell into the swimming pool while getting a drink, it appeared to leap to the roof of the adjacent cabana without ever actually touching the water!) >>>> There's debate about whether or not there was water in the >>>> moat at the San Francisco zoo. Frankly, I think tigers like to [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > I think almost all cats are capable of swimming it's just most choose not > too. Maybe tigers are a little different. Most of them were in water, bathing and swimming when I saw some last summer. It was a long time since I saw any and had forgotten how huge they were and what an attititude they had. We got well sprayed by urine by a tigress. I don't blame her, in her position I might I tried to do the same <g> "stop looking at me, and just p*** off!" Tweed Will in New Haven kirjoitti: > I find it worrisome that the dog could get _into_ the enclosure. Is > there a chance the tiger could get out as happened recently? BTW, I > don't have time to read the article at work but did they really say > that the Sumatran (a small variety of tiger) weighed that much? There was no mention of the weight of the tiger in that article. And now that you mentioned it, I had to check, and found that Sumatran tigers weigh abt 200-300 pounds. SignatureChristine in Laitila, Finland christal63 (at) gmail (dot) com > Will in New Haven kirjoitti: >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > now that you mentioned it, I had to check, and found that Sumatran > tigers weigh abt 200-300 pounds. Okay, so I exaggerated. 200-300 lbs still greatly outweigh a lab/retriever mix dog. And that dog had to be very surprised when encountering a kitty cat that big. Jill > Will in New Haven kirjoitti: > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > that you mentioned it, I had to check, and found that Sumatran tigers > weigh abt 200-300 pounds. Still big enough to be a bit of a shock to a dog accustomed to "normal" size cats! >> Will in New Haven kirjoitti: >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Still big enough to be a bit of a shock to a dog accustomed > to "normal" size cats! I'm pretty sure the dog was saying to itself, "Oh crap!" On Jan 9, 11:06 am, Will in New Haven <bill.re...@taylorandfrancis.com> wrote: > > A lab/golden retriever mix dog got more than he bargained for when he > > wandered into the Memphis zoo and jumped into the 'Cat Country' enclosure. [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > -- For those interested, there is now a video on CNN.com of the dog and the tiger involved. A Zoo official shows how it came about. The Tiger weighed 250lbs. Marilyn in Memphis/Germantown always thought dogs were kinda clueless. >A lab/golden retriever mix dog got more than he bargained for when he > wandered into the Memphis zoo and jumped into the 'Cat Country' enclosure. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Jill > A lab/golden retriever mix dog got more than he bargained for when he > wandered into the Memphis zoo and jumped into the 'Cat Country' enclosure. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Jill Dog is a favourite food of the bigger cats. The standing joke in Belize when I was there, was that in most countries, dogs try to chase and eat cats. In Belize, the cats WILL chase, and WILL eat the dogs. I know of several people who lost their dogs to pumas and jaguars. Helen M |
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