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Four at the Vet 1/3/2008
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Charleen Welton - 04 Jan 2008 01:15 GMT Four at the Vet 1/3/2008
7:45am Call the clinic and check that Dr. Mulero is there (didn't call in sick, car didn't break down, whatever the evil spirts could conjure up). Ah ha, appointment for 20 minutes of 9, please Lord, don't let me screw up catching Four.
8:15am Put Four's breakfast into the back of the crate. He walked right into get it. I gently tucked his tail in and closed and locked the door. No fussing or fighting, just resignation and eating. We are now off to the clinic. What a good, good boy he is.
9:30am I'm back from the clinic. Dr. Mulero didn't take Four out of the crate.. He kept him for neutering, care of the wound, blood work, fecal and urine tests, and whatever shots are required that the blood work indicate. Four will get his nails clipped too. The wonderful cat, didn't fight or struggle in the crate for a minute. Of course he will get an over all examination and if any thing else if found to be amiss it will be fixed. I have to pick him up this afternoon.
10:30am Call from the vet tech. Four is not tattooed or microchip. He was not neutered and now is. He has an infection in each ear. The neck wound is infected. Four is FIV+. I will be given antibiotics that I can put in his food for his neck and ear infections. Worming and flea information when I pick him up.
My heart goes out to this cat. His spirit, his determination to survive in the face of great odds is beyond admirable. Four's attitude, loving to be petted, rubbing against my legs, his sweet, expressive face and eyes and the very fact that he trusts humans beings at all given what they have put him through over the past three years causes me admire him greatly. He is a wonderful animal.
6:00pm Dr. Mulero told me that Four's wound was larger than he expected it to be; he found it wider and spread out under his jaw. The wound has been cleaned and trimmed. He expects, that with consistent antibiotic treatment and confinement to the porch that in three months time the wound will heal. He will get the meds in his food as handling him is still unknown territory although both the vet and the tech told me that he was wonderful before he was sedated, not growling, scratching, hissing, trying to get away. He responded well to petting even in a strange environment. Dr. Mulero suggest Revolution applied high on the top of his head so that none of it runs down into the wound. This will take care of worms, fleas, heartworms, ear mites. He got his rabies shot also. Dr. Mulero and I gave each other a big hug for having completed this mission!
With the $50 that David and I paid the vet bill is paid completely and there is enough of a credit to keep Four in Revolution for about six months. Thank you so very, very much everyone.
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MatSav - 04 Jan 2008 01:31 GMT > Four at the Vet 1/3/2008 > [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > Revolution for about six months. Thank you so very, very much > everyone. Yay! hApPy DaNCe!!! Well done Charlene, and everyone who helped with the bill should give themselves a purr!!!
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Charleen Welton - 04 Jan 2008 01:59 GMT Thank you Matt. How often you hear "I couldn't have done it without you." I, for sure doubt that I could have done this with out RPCA words of encouragement, you guys telling me your experiences and the wonderful positive outcomes, certainly calming my fears for I was afraid that I would do something to hurt him and I was also afraid he would do something to hurt me, making molehills out of my mountains, suggesting things to do that I hadn't ever heard or would have even thought of. I certainly could not have paid for this myself even with the help my uncle was giving me. Thanks.
I couldn't have done it with out you!
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>> Four at the Vet 1/3/2008 >> [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > Yay! hApPy DaNCe!!! Well done Charlene, and everyone who helped with the > bill should give themselves a purr!!! polonca12000 - 08 Jan 2008 21:49 GMT >>Four at the Vet 1/3/2008 >> >>7:45am Call the clinic and check that Dr. Mulero is there >>(didn't call in sick, car didn't break down, whatever the evil >>spirts could conjure up). Ah ha, appointment for 20 minutes of >>9, please Lord, don't let me screw up catching Four. <snip>
>>6:00pm Dr. Mulero told me that Four's wound was larger than he >>expected it to be; he found it wider and spread out under his [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > Yay! hApPy DaNCe!!! Well done Charlene, and everyone who helped > with the bill should give themselves a purr!!! That's wonderful to hear! Lots of purrs and best wishes, Polonca and Soncek
Charleen Welton - 12 Jan 2008 02:53 GMT It is good to hear good news, Polonca. No set backs, no complications, everything going along as it should be.
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>> >>>Four at the Vet 1/3/2008 [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > Lots of purrs and best wishes, > Polonca and Soncek Kreisleriana - 04 Jan 2008 01:59 GMT > Four at the Vet 1/3/2008 > [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > there is enough of a credit to keep Four in Revolution for about six > months. Thank you so very, very much everyone. Wonderful. What a wonderful outcome, for obviously, a special guy. We're purring for him to keep getting better and better. I am just blown away. What a brave boy, and what kind, decent generous people!
Where is he now?
Charleen Welton - 04 Jan 2008 12:43 GMT He is here at home on the chaise lounge not at all upset or running away when I approach. He got his big petting this morning before he digs into his food. He is the most adaptable cat I have ever encountered. Good kitty!
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>> Four at the Vet 1/3/2008 >> [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > > Where is he now? Granby - 04 Jan 2008 12:49 GMT Well hhmmm, some of us give up a bed and some of us a chaise lounge. Have you picked out your new seat yet? So glad all is going so well.
> He is here at home on the chaise lounge not at all upset or running away > when I approach. He got his big petting this morning before he digs into [quoted text clipped - 57 lines] >> >> Where is he now? Charleen Welton - 04 Jan 2008 17:01 GMT Between the three of them there is not many choices left. Last night I thought for sure I would be able to sleep in relative comfort under my side of the heated blanket because I turned on the other side for Aggie and Victor. Which side did they sleep on? My side of course!!
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> Well hhmmm, some of us give up a bed and some of us a chaise lounge. Have > you picked out your new seat yet? So glad all is going so well. [quoted text clipped - 59 lines] >>> >>> Where is he now? Adrian - 04 Jan 2008 17:06 GMT > Between the three of them there is not many choices left. Last night I > thought for sure I would be able to sleep in relative comfort under > my side of the heated blanket because I turned on the other side for > Aggie and Victor. Which side did they sleep on? My side of course!! What do you mean your side? Both sides belong to the cats and they generously allow you to share. ;o)
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Charleen Welton - 04 Jan 2008 22:57 GMT Silly me for thinking otherwise!
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>> Between the three of them there is not many choices left. Last night I >> thought for sure I would be able to sleep in relative comfort under [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > What do you mean your side? Both sides belong to the cats and they > generously allow you to share. ;o) Takayuki - 04 Jan 2008 13:14 GMT >He is here at home on the chaise lounge not at all upset or running away >when I approach. He got his big petting this morning before he digs into his >food. He is the most adaptable cat I have ever encountered. Good kitty! I'm so glad that it went so well! It sounds like being neglected was a big reason his wound was healing so slowly. He's been through a lot.
Charleen Welton - 04 Jan 2008 23:56 GMT You are right Tak, he has been through a lot. Much of it I have seen and didn't take him in while it was happening. I would put out food for him but he had to find shelter where ever he could and he was at the mercy of predators (we live near a huge lake where eagles and osprey hunt at night) and people who didn't want him around because he looked so gross with that ugly open, red wound. He was scrawny and emaciated. He survived three years of that, staying in this neighborhood where he had no apparent reason to. He darted across the street heedless of cars when someone threw something at him or chased him. His survival is nothing short of a physcial miracle. How body can stand that kind of trauma day in and day out for that long and still function is beyond me to fathom. His spirit is made of steel.
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>>He is here at home on the chaise lounge not at all upset or running away >>when I approach. He got his big petting this morning before he digs into [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > a big reason his wound was healing so slowly. He's been through a > lot. Stormmee - 06 Jan 2008 22:58 GMT and you will get angel wings for bringing him to a place that comforts him, your reward will be unconditional love, Lee
> You are right Tak, he has been through a lot. Much of it I have seen and > didn't take him in while it was happening. I would put out food for him but [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > a big reason his wound was healing so slowly. He's been through a > > lot. Charleen Welton - 12 Jan 2008 02:29 GMT Thank you for that lovely thought. We hope that when his time comes to leave he will come back on his own knowing that food, shelter and caring is here for him.
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> and you will get angel wings for bringing him to a place that comforts > him, [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] >> > a big reason his wound was healing so slowly. He's been through a >> > lot. Suz - 04 Jan 2008 15:26 GMT > He is here at home on the chaise lounge not at all upset or running away > when I approach. He got his big petting this morning before he digs into his [quoted text clipped - 63 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Charleen, I'm so glad Four made it to the vet. I suspect he adapts to situations because he's had to inorder to survive. Spiceypurrs continue.
Suz&Spicey
Charleen Welton - 05 Jan 2008 00:10 GMT Good observation Suz. It could be that as well as the other. We'll never know what motivates him. He does the cutest, funny thing; as much as he wants to eat, when I bring the food dish to the porch and start to lean down to put it on the floor he streches his head up, the top of his head to be petted, not his mouth as to feed him. He gets some petting and then he goes on to the meal at hand. It is so sweet. I feel as though he was a family cat before his injury as he is comfortable in the house (that he got into a couple of times) and because he asks to be petted.
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On Jan 4, 7:43?am, "Charleen Welton" <ilikec...@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
> He is here at home on the chaise lounge not at all upset or running away > when I approach. He got his big petting this morning before he digs into [quoted text clipped - 79 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Charleen, I'm so glad Four made it to the vet. I suspect he adapts to situations because he's had to inorder to survive. Spiceypurrs continue.
Suz&Spicey
Outsider - 04 Jan 2008 02:10 GMT > Four at the Vet 1/3/2008 > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > 10:30am Call from the vet tech. Four is not tattooed or microchip. He . . .
This is just the greatest news to hear. Four sounds like he just knows everyone is helping him. He seems to know to expend his energy getting better instead of fighting off those who are there to help. Some _people_ never learn _that_ lesson!
Great job!!
Andy
Charleen Welton - 04 Jan 2008 12:46 GMT Andy, it really is great, a true group effort. I hope that Four can be intergrated into the household. Aggie Marble has the final word on that situation.
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>> Four at the Vet 1/3/2008 >> [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > Andy Victor Martinez - 04 Jan 2008 02:15 GMT > With the $50 that David and I paid the vet bill is paid completely and there > is enough of a credit to keep Four in Revolution for about six months. Thank > you so very, very much everyone. What about the medications? There's still a check for $129.33 coming that I plan to mail this week.
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Charleen Welton - 04 Jan 2008 12:54 GMT That will work Victor because in addition to the Revolution he has to be on the Clavamox twice a day for two weeks with an evaluation (by me) if he needs to continue it. He has infections in both ears and the large neck and under the jaw infection. I don't know much about animal medical treatment but two weeks doesn't seem long enough to me to keep that wound free and clean of infection until it heals so he may require additional medication. And hopefully there will be no reason for him to have to return to the clinic. Thank you so much for your part in the Four Saga.
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>> With the $50 that David and I paid the vet bill is paid completely and >> there is enough of a credit to keep Four in Revolution for about six >> months. Thank you so very, very much everyone. > > What about the medications? There's still a check for $129.33 coming that > I plan to mail this week. Monique Y. Mudama - 04 Jan 2008 17:29 GMT > That will work Victor because in addition to the Revolution he has > to be on the Clavamox twice a day for two weeks with an evaluation [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > will be no reason for him to have to return to the clinic. Thank you > so much for your part in the Four Saga. Clamavox is an antibiotic. Generally speaking antibiotic usage needs to be minimized to prevent resistant strains from developing. It's also extremely important to complete any antibiotic prescription -- ie, once it's been started, it needs to be continued even if the patient is showing marked improvement and "seems fine."
The only part that seems weird is a non-vet doing an evaluation on whether antibiotics need to be continued. Maybe just to reduce trauma to Four? Are there any vets who do home care in your area? I know there are several in ours.
Antibiotics can do a number on a kitty (or human) tummy -- try to make sure he has food in his tummy before or just as he gets the medication, so he doesn't get the runs, or at least not as bad. Fiber, like plain canned pumpkin, also helps a lot (or so I hear -- Oscar won't touch it).
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bastXXXette@sonic.net - 04 Jan 2008 19:45 GMT > Antibiotics can do a number on a kitty (or human) tummy -- try to make > sure he has food in his tummy before or just as he gets the > medication, so he doesn't get the runs, or at least not as bad. > Fiber, like plain canned pumpkin, also helps a lot (or so I hear -- > Oscar won't touch it). Pro-biotics are good, too - you can get that in a pet food store. Those help to restore "good" bacteria in the cat's gut after the antibiotics swept through and killed everything.
Joyce
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Charleen Welton - 04 Jan 2008 23:42 GMT I've not heard of Pro-bitotics. Will check them out at the pet store. Anything that will help him regain weight, strength and health I am in favor of. Thanks a lot.
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> > > Antibiotics can do a number on a kitty (or human) tummy -- try to make [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Joyce bastXXXette@sonic.net - 05 Jan 2008 00:25 GMT > I've not heard of Pro-bitotics. Will check them out at the pet store. > Anything that will help him regain weight, strength and health I am in favor > of. Thanks a lot. "Pro-biotics" is just a fancy name for bacteria. :) We all have bacteria in our intestines, that's how all animals evolved. We need it in order to digest food, as well as a lot of other necessary functions.
So when you take antibiotics, they generally don't discriminate between the bacteria that always live in your body and are a part of your normal functioning, and a bacterial infection - something that doesn't belong and that does harm to your body. It just kills it all. (There probably are antibiotics that are fairly specific about what they kill, but I think for most infections, especially something like a wound, you get wide-spectrum antibiotics, that just mow it all down.)
Acidophilus, which is a "beneficial" type of bacteria, is wiped out along with the bad stuff. You can buy acidophilus at any health food store, and possibly, at this point, at most drug stores, too. There are other positive bacteria as well, but I don't know the names of all of them. Anyway, you can get powders and so forth to mix into cat food that has the bacteria that cats need.
One of the symptoms of antibactirial overkill is diarrhea. Another is bad intestinal cramps. Four wouldn't be able to tell you about the cramps, but you'd be able to see the diarrhea. Probiotics can help to prevent that. Dr. Mulero should know about that, and might even be able to recommend a good one for cats. (I'm not sure about this, but it might be good to stick with a kind that's designed for cats, because the specific bacteria that live in a cat's gut might be different from those that live in the human gut. So buying probiotics meant for humans might not be as beneficial.)
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Charleen Welton - 05 Jan 2008 02:07 GMT Thanks for the good information. I'll work on it.
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> > I've not heard of Pro-bitotics. Will check them out at the pet store. > > Anything that will help him regain weight, strength and health I am in [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > Joyce Stormmee - 06 Jan 2008 23:05 GMT my vet had me get the expensive full fat yogurt with live culture, she said it would keep the cat regulated as well as put a little weight on, and if the cat refused it I could eat it so no waste, Lee
> Thanks for the good information. I'll work on it. > -- [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > > -- > > To send email to this address, remove the triple-X from my user name. Charleen Welton - 12 Jan 2008 02:32 GMT That is now on the shopping list, either he or I or both of us will enjoy some of it tomorrow!! Thanks.
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> my vet had me get the expensive full fat yogurt with live culture, she > said [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] >> > -- >> > To send email to this address, remove the triple-X from my user name. Charleen Welton - 04 Jan 2008 23:38 GMT  Signature Charleen Aggie Marble, Victor Velcro The Spirit of Mr. Pumpkin St. Cloud, Florida USA
>> That will work Victor because in addition to the Revolution he has >> to be on the Clavamox twice a day for two weeks with an evaluation [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > Fiber, like plain canned pumpkin, also helps a lot (or so I hear -- > Oscar won't touch it). Monique thank you very much for this information. I understand that the med needs to be consistant in it's use and needs to be given as long as prescribed. "Evaluation" was my word for me looking at the wound and checking to see that it was not worse than when the course of Clamavox was started. I was incorrect in stating it the way that I did. If there is any difference in the injury I have been instructed and will call Dr. Mulero without hesitation. Four probably always has food in his tummy as he always eats!!! It has been suggested by the vet and two folks here to crush his pill and mix it with a small amount of food to be given to him before his meal, this way he gets the whole amount of the pill. Then feed him his meal. I'll try the pumpkin as he still does not use the litter box!
Stormmee - 06 Jan 2008 23:09 GMT you know I was wondering if his box issues might be related to his wound... I mean, think of how a human strains when going, and he is supposed to dig with those front paws and then cover, I bet if you tracked the out of box items the might get better as he heals, Lee
> -- > Charleen [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > meal, this way he gets the whole amount of the pill. Then feed him his meal. > I'll try the pumpkin as he still does not use the litter box! bastXXXette@sonic.net - 04 Jan 2008 02:22 GMT > Four at the Vet 1/3/2008 [great big snip]
Woo hoo!!!! Wow, did he ever need to go to the vet's, with all those problems. I'm so glad they're finally being seen to. And I'm amazed to hear that he was so good-tempered and let the vet and techs handle him without getting upset or lashing out. He certainly is a wonderful cat.
I'm sorry his wound is worse than you thought. But it sounds like he's on the right track now. It was starting to heal even without antibiotics - now that he's on them, it should make a huge difference.
I'm also sorry to hear that he's FIV+. Did you know, or suspect this? I guess cats can live a long time with FIV, and as long as he gets along with your other cats and doesn't bite them, he won't infect them.
What a day!! When does he get to come home, do you know?
I'm so glad to have been a part of your support system. Four is a true RPCA cat. It took a global village to rescue and take care of him! :)
Purrs,
Joyce
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Charleen Welton - 04 Jan 2008 13:07 GMT  Signature Charleen Aggie Marble, Victor Velcro The Spirit of Mr. Pumpkin St. Cloud, Florida USA
> > > Four at the Vet 1/3/2008 [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > him without getting upset or lashing out. He certainly is a wonderful > cat. He sure was long overdue for a vet visit!! It is amazing that he is so good natured given how he has been treated by human beings.
> I'm sorry his wound is worse than you thought. But it sounds like he's > on the right track now. It was starting to heal even without antibiotics - > now that he's on them, it should make a huge difference. I'm glad also that the injury will get a boost for healing. Imagine the amount of his energy it has taken from his body every day. When I looked at his paperwork I saw that he only weighs 8 pounds, yep, 8 pounds. And he has been eating 4 meals a day for weeks now. He is tall and long and being a Maine Coon he has a lot of fur. He didn't look that thin, I shudder to think of what he weighed when I took him in!
> I'm also sorry to hear that he's FIV+. Did you know, or suspect this? > I guess cats can live a long time with FIV, and as long as he gets along > with your other cats and doesn't bite them, he won't infect them. I didn't give it a thought until Helen Miles explain to me that it was possible that he might be given his cirumstances. She explained what it was and the impact on Four and our household. I knew that I had to make a decision before I took him to the vets as to which way to go. David and I talked it over and decieded that we would give him a home here (Aggie permitting). A large part of that decision was based on his non-aggressive, non-assertive manner.
> What a day!! When does he get to come home, do you know? He is home and muching away. He wanted to be petted before he ate. Image all that I did to him yesterday and he still wanted to be loved!
> I'm so glad to have been a part of your support system. Four is a true > RPCA cat. It took a global village to rescue and take care of him! :) Absolutely, thank you for being a very important part of that team. Indeed it is a global rescue!
Charleen
> To send email to this address, remove the triple-X from my user name. Annie W - 04 Jan 2008 17:39 GMT > -- > Charleen [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > news:477d9859$0$36345$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net... ...> When I looked at his
> paperwork I saw that he only weighs 8 pounds, yep, 8 pounds. And he has been > eating 4 meals a day for weeks now. He is tall and long and being a Maine > Coon he has a lot of fur. He didn't look that thin, I shudder to think of > what he weighed when I took him in! ...> Charleen
Charleen, After the Revolution kicks in, he won't be sharing his meals with parasites and will be able to use it for his own healing and weight gain. When he gets back in shape, he won't need to eat so much or so often. Before you know it, you'll probably be thinking about putting him on a diet.
Annie
Charleen Welton - 04 Jan 2008 23:46 GMT He'll go on a schedule soon for Revolution, same weekend as Victor Velcro and Aggie Marble so I can remember it. It will be a big celebration when he reaches 15 pounds! Holy Mackerel, 8 pounds, how that cat survived is beyond me to figure out.
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On Jan 4, 7:07 am, "Charleen Welton" <ilikec...@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
> -- > Charleen [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > news:477d9859$0$36345$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net... ...> When I looked at his
> paperwork I saw that he only weighs 8 pounds, yep, 8 pounds. And he has > been > eating 4 meals a day for weeks now. He is tall and long and being a Maine > Coon he has a lot of fur. He didn't look that thin, I shudder to think of > what he weighed when I took him in! ...> Charleen
Charleen, After the Revolution kicks in, he won't be sharing his meals with parasites and will be able to use it for his own healing and weight gain. When he gets back in shape, he won't need to eat so much or so often. Before you know it, you'll probably be thinking about putting him on a diet.
Annie
Stormmee - 06 Jan 2008 23:12 GMT and even if the others don't want him in the house I am sure he will be grateful for the porch and your love, Lee
> -- > Charleen [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] > > > To send email to this address, remove the triple-X from my user name. Charleen Welton - 12 Jan 2008 02:38 GMT He has demonstrated time and time again that he is comfortable in the house. I believe that he was a house cat at one time in his life although two facts dispute that theory; 1. he was not neutered, 2. he does not use the litter box. It will be up to Aggie Marble if Four can live in the house. At this point she is very nervous, jumping at every noise which she did not do before he come to the porch. There is still time. We'll see what happens.
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> and even if the others don't want him in the house I am sure he will be > grateful for the porch and your love, Lee [quoted text clipped - 64 lines] >> >> > To send email to this address, remove the triple-X from my user name. Stormmee - 12 Jan 2008 07:09 GMT you have time to work that out, so take the time, for you and all of them, Lee
> He has demonstrated time and time again that he is comfortable in the house. > I believe that he was a house cat at one time in his life although two facts [quoted text clipped - 76 lines] > >> > >> > To send email to this address, remove the triple-X from my user name. Charleen Welton - 12 Jan 2008 02:41 GMT The vet estimated Four to be four years old. I guessed five or a bit more.
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> and even if the others don't want him in the house I am sure he will be > grateful for the porch and your love, Lee [quoted text clipped - 64 lines] >> >> > To send email to this address, remove the triple-X from my user name. Annie W - 04 Jan 2008 03:00 GMT > Four at the Vet 1/3/2008 ...> My heart goes out to this cat. His spirit, his determination to survive in
> the face of great odds is beyond admirable. Four's attitude, loving to be > petted, rubbing against my legs, his sweet, expressive face and eyes and the > very fact that he trusts humans beings at all given what they have put him > through over the past three years causes me admire him greatly. He is a > wonderful animal. ...> Charleen
> Aggie Marble, Victor Velcro > The Spirit of Mr. Pumpkin > St. Cloud, Florida USA Charlene, I am so thrilled and overwhelmed that all went so well. Reading this brought tears to my eyes. I can't even express how proud I am of you and grateful to be a part of this RPCA group. Time after time the people here reinforce my belief in the good that exists in this world.
Purrs continue to come your way for Four's complete and rapid recovery and that his improved health will keep his FIV under control.
Annie
Charleen Welton - 04 Jan 2008 13:20 GMT  Signature Charleen Aggie Marble, Victor Velcro The Spirit of Mr. Pumpkin St. Cloud, Florida USA
On Jan 3, 7:15 pm, "Charleen Welton" <ilikec...@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
> Four at the Vet 1/3/2008 ...> My heart goes out to this cat. His spirit, his determination to survive in
> the face of great odds is beyond admirable. Four's attitude, loving to be > petted, rubbing against my legs, his sweet, expressive face and eyes and > the > very fact that he trusts humans beings at all given what they have put him > through over the past three years causes me admire him greatly. He is a > wonderful animal. ...> Charleen
> Aggie Marble, Victor Velcro > The Spirit of Mr. Pumpkin > St. Cloud, Florida USA Charlene, I am so thrilled and overwhelmed that all went so well. Reading this brought tears to my eyes. I can't even express how proud I am of you and grateful to be a part of this RPCA group. Time after time the people here reinforce my belief in the good that exists in this world.
Annie, I'm with you on thrilled and overwhelmed!! I was so concerned that every that could go wrong would go wrong and nothing did!! This group has meant so much to me over the years, things it has never and will never know. The biggest thing is what you stated that Good exists in this world. And no matter what my personal situation is I can come here and laugh and read wonderful, warm, caring stories. See people helping other people through tough times. There is a core of folks that have been on RPCA for years, they are good friends even though we've never met, they are always consistent in their goodness. I came on about two months after RPC was formed 12 years ago. There were 4 or 5 groups then. It got so big they split into individual groups. I chose to go with RPCA and have never looked back.
Purrs continue to come your way for Four's complete and rapid recovery and that his improved health will keep his FIV under control.
Annie
Thank you for those purrs, if I do my part as instructed and he does his part we should see recovery and a wonderful life for him. Thank you so much for your part in it.
Annie W - 04 Jan 2008 03:06 GMT ... Dr. Mulero and I gave each other a big hug for
> having completed this mission! ...> --
> Charleen > Aggie Marble, Victor Velcro > The Spirit of Mr. Pumpkin > St. Cloud, Florida USA Sooo, does Dr. M. believe in the power of purr now?
Annie
Charleen Welton - 04 Jan 2008 13:21 GMT He certainly does!!!
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On Jan 3, 7:15 pm, "Charleen Welton" <ilikec...@cfl.rr.com> wrote: ... Dr. Mulero and I gave each other a big hug for
> having completed this mission! ...> --
> Charleen > Aggie Marble, Victor Velcro > The Spirit of Mr. Pumpkin > St. Cloud, Florida USA Sooo, does Dr. M. believe in the power of purr now?
Annie
sam - 04 Jan 2008 03:21 GMT > Four at the Vet 1/3/2008 > [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > is enough of a credit to keep Four in Revolution for about six months. Thank > you so very, very much everyone. Way to go, Four! And a triple Way-To-Go to Charleen for taking care of him! Purrs on the way that everything continues to go as well.
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Charleen Welton - 04 Jan 2008 13:25 GMT Thank you very much Sam. Four is being wonderful. I expected him to be hiding and not wanting to interact with me but just the opposite. And as for "He may not want to eat today and tomorrow." Ha, ha, ha, ha. He only weighs 8 pounds which floors me considering how much I feed him thoughout the day. Maybe I'll have to take him to an All-You-Can-Eat-Buffet for one meal each day!
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>> Four at the Vet 1/3/2008 >> [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > > Sam, supervised by Mistletoe Marina - 04 Jan 2008 05:51 GMT > Four at the Vet 1/3/2008 When I saw the name of this thread, I went 'Yes! Yes! Yes!' The cats gave me funny looks. ;)
So glad to hear everything went so smoothly. He sounds like such a nice cat. Sorry about the FIV. Purrs that he can live a long and healthy life in spite of it.
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Charleen Welton - 04 Jan 2008 13:44 GMT Thanks Marina, everything did go smoothly. Four amazes me in that he is so gentle. Even Dr. Mulero and Tracy, the vet tech commented on that. One wouldn't think that a cat that had been treated so badly by people would be so good around them. He is back now, comfortable on the porch and will be getting antibiotics and more food, lots more food. Kitten food too as was suggested. Have to get more weight on him.
One of the things that I forgot to ask and the doctor didn't offer was a guess on Four's age. He is an adult, I would guess a young adult. Hopefully he has a long life ahead of him.
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>> Four at the Vet 1/3/2008 > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > cat. Sorry about the FIV. Purrs that he can live a long and healthy life > in spite of it. Marina - 05 Jan 2008 05:55 GMT > Thanks Marina, everything did go smoothly. Four amazes me in that he is so > gentle. Even Dr. Mulero and Tracy, the vet tech commented on that. One [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > guess on Four's age. He is an adult, I would guess a young adult. Hopefully > he has a long life ahead of him. I hope so too. The weight thing is really scary. He must have been just skin and bones when you first trapped him on the porch. Poor baby. He is truly an amazing cat. We are still purring for him.
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Charleen Welton - 05 Jan 2008 13:44 GMT Thanks for the additional purrs Marina. He is quite a cat. For all he has gone through he has quite a sweet personality, loving to be petted and oh, those expressive eyes and that tilt of the head. So enchanting.
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>> Thanks Marina, everything did go smoothly. Four amazes me in that he is >> so gentle. Even Dr. Mulero and Tracy, the vet tech commented on that. One [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > skin and bones when you first trapped him on the porch. Poor baby. He is > truly an amazing cat. We are still purring for him. Stormmee - 06 Jan 2008 23:21 GMT I am sure its noted in his records, Lee
> Thanks Marina, everything did go smoothly. Four amazes me in that he is so > gentle. Even Dr. Mulero and Tracy, the vet tech commented on that. One [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > -- > > Marina, Miranda and Caliban. In loving memory of Frank and Nikki. Debbie Wilson - 04 Jan 2008 08:48 GMT Well Done!!!! What an achievement! Both you, Dr. Mulero and Four are ALL awesome and I'm so happy to read that Four has had all the treatment he needs. FIV cats can live a good long life with the right care and attention which he is now getting, all thanks to you.
Deb.
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Charleen Welton - 04 Jan 2008 13:33 GMT Thanks Debbie. Much of the thanks goes to Helen Miles who emails and calls regularly making me comfortable about FIV. I knew nothing of it as it didn't affect my animals. Helen was wise enough to prepare me for the fact that Four might be FIV+ and ideed he was but I was prepared to handle the news and deal with the facts.
This was a team effort from the get-go. A world wide team. The biggest part of it isover, thankfully, and the rest is all uphill. And the best part is a beautiful, nice, friendly, healthy cat.
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> Well Done!!!! What an achievement! Both you, Dr. Mulero and Four are ALL > awesome and I'm so happy to read that Four has had all the treatment he > needs. FIV cats can live a good long life with the right care and > attention which he is now getting, all thanks to you. > > Deb. Adrian - 04 Jan 2008 10:44 GMT > Four at the Vet 1/3/2008 > [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > and there is enough of a credit to keep Four in Revolution for about > six months. Thank you so very, very much everyone. That's wonderful news (apart from the FIV+). Like others I'm a bit low on funds this time of year, I hope I can send something later for Four's continuing care.
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>> Four at the Vet 1/3/2008 >> [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > funds this time of year, I hope I can send something later for Four's > continuing care. Charleen
Daniel Mahoney - 04 Jan 2008 14:01 GMT That is such excellent news! Thank you so much for taking such good care of Four.
If at any point you find that you need to do something with medication other than dosing in his food, the pharmacy near me does custom compounding, including producing some applications that can be rubbed in to the top of the ear.
Dan
Charleen Welton - 05 Jan 2008 00:02 GMT Dan, great info, thanks so much. I printed it out and put it in Four's folder. What a great service to offer.
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> That is such excellent news! Thank you so much for taking such good care > of Four. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Dan Susan M - 05 Jan 2008 06:10 GMT > Dan, great info, thanks so much. I printed it out and put it in Four's > folder. What a great service to offer. When Otis was on Prozac, we had it made into tuna kitty treats which he loved. It was the only way to get the meds into him. We had to fool around with the right flavour though - chicken and tuna were okay - beef was right out!
Susan M Otis and Chester
Charleen Welton - 05 Jan 2008 13:56 GMT Wish I knew that then, we did the pill down the throat and it and I weren't too popular!
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>> Dan, great info, thanks so much. I printed it out and put it in Four's >> folder. What a great service to offer. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Susan M > Otis and Chester Susan M - 04 Jan 2008 16:18 GMT st three years causes me admire him greatly. He is a
> wonderful animal. > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > He got his rabies shot also. Dr. Mulero and I gave each other a big hug for > having completed this mission! Congratulations Charleen! Marvellous news that you got him to the vet for his much needed care and that he's was so gentle and good about it!! It was a nice surprise to see your post!
Susan M Otis and Chester
Charleen Welton - 05 Jan 2008 00:31 GMT I was surprised too, Susan, that it was so easy. There are still challenges. He won't use the litter boxes. I will use different kinds of litter in the different boxes and see if that works because this is getting very old (and darn stinky)!! It will be weeks before my two and Four are formally introduced but it is coming. Aggie Marble is a 13 year old former feral, spayed, overweight, black and silver tabby. She has "issues." When she gets upset she licks her fur off and has to go on Kitty Prozac. This is her home, her refuge and has been since she was 4 months old. Aggie didn't come out from under the bed in the daytime for nine and a half years. I will do all I can to make a home here for Four but Aggie comes first. She does not go outside or even onto the porch except for occassionally so she may keep to the inside of the house and he to the comfort and protection of the porch. We'll see what happens when we get there.
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> st three years causes me admire him greatly. He is a >> wonderful animal. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > Susan M > Otis and Chester Susan M - 05 Jan 2008 06:07 GMT > I was surprised too, Susan, that it was so easy. There are still challenges. > He won't use the litter boxes. I will use different kinds of litter in the [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > to the inside of the house and he to the comfort and protection of the > porch. We'll see what happens when we get there. Wow - I hadn't realized what a tough road Aggie has had. Poor thing and purrs for her and Four that maybe they reach an understanding. Perhaps she will sense the tough road that Four too has travelled?
Continued purrs coming your way!
Susan M Otis and Chester
Charleen Welton - 05 Jan 2008 13:55 GMT  Signature Charleen Aggie Marble, Victor Velcro The Spirit of Mr. Pumpkin St. Cloud, Florida USA
>> I was surprised too, Susan, that it was so easy. There are still >> challenges. He won't use the litter boxes. I will use different kinds of [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Continued purrs coming your way! We can use the purrs, thanks Susan. I wonder, too, if cats can communicate beyond the basic functions of food, territory and mating. Would Aggie and Four understand the nuances of the situation. But having said that maybe that is all they need to sort out, even here in this house. We'll find out in a while.
> Susan M > Otis and Chester Susan M - 05 Jan 2008 06:16 GMT > Aggie Marble is a 13 year old former feral, > spayed, overweight, black and silver tabby. She has "issues." When she > gets upset she licks her fur off and has to go on Kitty Prozac. This is her > home, her refuge and has been since she was 4 months old. Aggie didn't come > out from under the bed in the daytime for nine and a half years. Do you have the story of Aggie and Victor anywhere on line? I don't remember. How did you manage to get Aggie and Victor to be okay together?
Susan M Otis and Chester
Charleen Welton - 05 Jan 2008 15:15 GMT No, the story of how the cats came to be here isn't online. Their stories are intergrated like a set of gears. As it so happens I have developed a pinched nerve and typying is aggravating the situation so I need to rest this arm and let the anti-spasm med do it's thing. The bathroom remodel isn't moving along as fast as expected (showering at the neighbor's is not fun) and the bank has fouled up David's direct deposit. Another day in paradise! Later...
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>> Aggie Marble is a 13 year old former feral, spayed, overweight, black and >> silver tabby. She has "issues." When she gets upset she licks her fur [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Susan M > Otis and Chester GaDragonfly - 05 Jan 2008 21:35 GMT We continue to send purrs to all of you for everything you're doing for Four. His "capture" sounds so much like Lacey's. As you know, when I first tried to put her into a carrier she spun around and bit me and I ended up in the hospital for several days. When we tried the second time she was like a wild cat, she didn't want to be captured but when we finally got her into the carrier she quieted down and didn't try to escape. At the vet she came out of the carrier and was the perfectly behaved feline. It was like a switch had been thrown and she remembered how a domestic, "non-feral" cat behaves. Even today, years after she became our housecat she fights going into the carrier but once she's there she is fine. Can you actually pet Four? Put your hands on him? My reason for asking is that when Hobbes had an abscess on his bottom our vet prescribed Trypzyme which helped the open wound heal really fast. A quick google search provides: "TRYPZYME®-V is for use as an aid in the treatment of external wounds and assists healing by facilitating the removal of necrotic tissue, exudate and organic debris." The method of dispensing the drug in Hobbes' case was drops placed in the wound. There is also a spray that can be used. I just wonder if this might help in the healing of Four's wound.
Whatever the case, purrs for you, Four, David and Larry, all the people involved in helping Four and very gentle headbutts to you today for your pinched nerve and other problems.
Julie, Hobbes, Lacey, Sam and Barnabus
Charleen Welton - 12 Jan 2008 02:24 GMT  Signature Charleen Aggie Marble, Victor Velcro The Spirit of Mr. Pumpkin St. Cloud, Florida USA
We continue to send purrs to all of you for everything you're doing for Four. His "capture" sounds so much like Lacey's. As you know, when I first tried to put her into a carrier she spun around and bit me and I ended up in the hospital for several days. When we tried the second time she was like a wild cat, she didn't want to be captured but when we finally got her into the carrier she quieted down and didn't try to escape. At the vet she came out of the carrier and was the perfectly behaved feline. It was like a switch had been thrown and she remembered how a domestic, "non-feral" cat behaves. Even today, years after she became our housecat she fights going into the carrier but once she's there she is fine. Can you actually pet Four? Put your hands on him?
Yes and he loves it. Even before eating he will put his head up to be petted. He doesn't purr though, at least not that I can hear. Maybe later.
My reason for asking is that when Hobbes had an abscess on his bottom our vet prescribed Trypzyme which helped the open wound heal really fast. A quick google search provides: "TRYPZYME®-V is for use as an aid in the treatment of external wounds and assists healing by facilitating the removal of necrotic tissue, exudate and organic debris." The method of dispensing the drug in Hobbes' case was drops placed in the wound. There is also a spray that can be used. I just wonder if this might help in the healing of Four's wound.
I will keep this information for Dr. Mulero. But what I want to share with you all is that I got a good look at Four's wound this afternoon and wow it is healing beautifully! It is closing from around the edges, skin has grown in and fur is growing over the new skin. There is necrotic tissue but it drops off ahead of the new skin. Dr. Mulero cautioned me that it could take up to three months for this to heal. Great progress in just two weeks. The worst of the injury though is directly under Four's chin/jaw and I can not see that. He is doing so well.
Whatever the case, purrs for you, Four, David and Larry, all the people involved in helping Four and very gentle headbutts to you today for your pinched nerve and other problems.
Thank you, Julie, Hobbes, Lacey, Sam and Barnabus. Four had a visitor today. A lady three doors up the street used to feed him when he was a stray and wanted to see him and say Hello.
Julie, Hobbes, Lacey, Sam and Barnabus
Stormmee - 06 Jan 2008 23:30 GMT if it is a hassle showering at the neighbors, consider a large truck stop that you can check out for security and cleanness, then pay for a shower there, not much to avoid the neighbors, Lee
> No, the story of how the cats came to be here isn't online. Their stories > are intergrated like a set of gears. As it so happens I have developed a [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Susan M > > Otis and Chester Charleen Welton - 12 Jan 2008 02:47 GMT It is interesting that you suggest a truck stop for showers. David is an over-the-road truck driver and very familiar with truck stop showers. He suggested asking Larry if he would give Four his meds and David and I spend the night at a local hotel! That idea is still within the realm of possibility!
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> if it is a hassle showering at the neighbors, consider a large truck stop > that you can check out for security and cleanness, then pay for a shower [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] >> > Susan M >> > Otis and Chester Stormmee - 06 Jan 2008 23:27 GMT like I said before, worst case is he lives on the porch, and for him that is like heaven, Lee
> I was surprised too, Susan, that it was so easy. There are still challenges. > He won't use the litter boxes. I will use different kinds of litter in the [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > Susan M > > Otis and Chester Charleen Welton - 12 Jan 2008 02:43 GMT The porch with the Kitty Klubhouse was designed with cats in mind. He couldn't possible live any place nicer!!
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> like I said before, worst case is he lives on the porch, and for him that > is [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] >> > Susan M >> > Otis and Chester kimberlysmith - 05 Jan 2008 01:51 GMT > Four at the Vet 1/3/2008 > [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > is enough of a credit to keep Four in Revolution for about six months. Thank > you so very, very much everyone. Charleen! What wonderful news!!! I'm glad Helen was able to fill you in on the ramifications of FIV. I'm not sure myself of the details, never having had an owner so affected, but I've heard that it is most definitely NOT a death sentence and, given care, kitties can live a good life. Four is so very lucky!!
Now a question. I probably missed it somewhere along the way but why is his name "Four"? and do we have some pics posted somewhere?
Again, a huge WOOOO HOOOOO for you, Four and Dr. Mulero!!
--Kim
Stormmee - 06 Jan 2008 22:54 GMT this is so wonderful, and him on the porch is so much kinder than outside, what a blessing you are to him, and I am sure you will receive blessing a hundred fold in return, Lee,
> Four at the Vet 1/3/2008 > [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > The Spirit of Mr. Pumpkin > St. Cloud, Florida USA Charleen Welton - 12 Jan 2008 02:27 GMT Lee, he adjusted so well so quickly to life on the porch. I wonder if he isn't glad he is there. His only non-adjustment continues to be his lack of understanding the purpose of the litter boxes. His nickname is Stinky!
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> this is so wonderful, and him on the porch is so much kinder than outside, > what a blessing you are to him, and I am sure you will receive blessing a [quoted text clipped - 74 lines] >> The Spirit of Mr. Pumpkin >> St. Cloud, Florida USA Stormmee - 12 Jan 2008 07:06 GMT once he is healthy you can work on the box issues, just keep cleaning, and if you log poops and stuff you might find a pattern, Lee
> Lee, he adjusted so well so quickly to life on the porch. I wonder if he > isn't glad he is there. His only non-adjustment continues to be his lack of [quoted text clipped - 83 lines] > >> The Spirit of Mr. Pumpkin > >> St. Cloud, Florida USA dberry@mitre.org - 07 Jan 2008 16:29 GMT I am so happy to hear that Four has had his vet visit and surgery is is back home doing well. Wonderful news! We continue to purr for his healing.
Debbie
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