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Marina - 02 Jan 2008 10:19 GMT Sorry, but I need to vent.
I have a cleaner coming in a couple of times a month, because I just can't keep up with housework with my hand problems.
The cleaner came today. I always go out while he's here, to be out of the way. When I came home, the flat was spotless - nothing to complain about there - but a while later I spotted something in Caliban's food bowl. Took a closer look. Kibble! It was *half full* of kibble!
I know some people free-feed their cats dry food, but even if I wanted to give Caliban dry food, I couldn't free-feed him because he hoovers everything he sees at once. I don't know why he hadn't touched this food, unless maybe the bowl had been *full* and he had eaten half of it! The other option, which I'm hoping is the right one, is that it was 'off' somehow, so he didn't eat any of it. Though where does he come off giving my cat food that's off, if that's the case?
Grrrr. I'm so mad. I know the cleaner likes cats, but he shouldn't be trying to buy Caliban's affection with food, especially not kibble (Caliban hides when the cleaner comes, because he knows the sucky monster will come out soon and eat the floor).
Vent over.
I did write a polite e-mail requesting they don't feed my cats without permission in future. I pointed out that Caliban had just come off a rigorous diet to lose some dangerous overweight and that, besides overweight, dry food can cause kidney disease in cats. I hope I managed to teach the cleaner something.
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Adrian - 02 Jan 2008 11:55 GMT > Sorry, but I need to vent. > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > overweight, dry food can cause kidney disease in cats. I hope I > managed to teach the cleaner something. Knowing how Caliban likes his food I'm sure he managed to convince the cleaner he was a poor starving cat that hadn't eaten for days.
I hope the cleaner has learned somthing without being offended.
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Bridget - 02 Jan 2008 13:24 GMT > Sorry, but I need to vent. > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > overweight, dry food can cause kidney disease in cats. I hope I managed > to teach the cleaner something. Not to take on the cleaners side, but it sounds like he thought he was just doing a good turn. He didn't know any better. Many people do not treat their cats with the same attention we give ours and do not worry about obesity and have not encountered health problems that need to be dealt with with their own cats so they are not even really aware that something serious could happen with a bowl of cat food.
I would suggest you take the action with the thoughtfulness intended and do just what you did - educate them kindly. It sounds as if the action was intended to do just what you wanted - help you out. He didn't know. He wouldn't have known the food was off. If you have it in your flat, he would have assumed it was good.
Try to look at this from a different angle. Someone who didn't know any better was trying to do a good deed for you. We should be thankful for people who try to help us. I have someone who comes in every two weeks to help me out. She doesn't have to, she just does. What I pay her is a pittance and it is just an hour every two weeks but she works like crazy when she comes over. For the most part, she knows my habits and likes and dislikes, but it is inevitable that she will move things where I have to look for them or something and I get annoyed for a few minutes. Then I am thankful because no one else would come in and do what she does and because of her I am able to stay functional and get on with getting my life back. It is worth the small annoyances of everything not being exactly as I like them to have my life back.
I am not suggesting that you need to put up with a second class job, only if there things here and there that they couldn't possibly have known about, take it into account, educate and be thankful there are people who exist who will do this job for you when you can't. People who are willing to clean for others and take care of them are a special breed of people who do not get paid enough and are unappreciated.
Bridget - thankful for all the help I can get
Marina - 02 Jan 2008 13:55 GMT > Not to take on the cleaners side, but it sounds like he thought he was > just doing a good turn. He didn't know any better. Many people do not > treat their cats with the same attention we give ours and do not worry > about obesity and have not encountered health problems that need to be > dealt with with their own cats so they are not even really aware that > something serious could happen with a bowl of cat food. I did recognize that, though I blew my top here by myself when I discovered it. I knew at the same time that he thought he was doing a nice thing. But I don't know where the food came from. I have a small bag of kibble here, that I give Caliban maybe 2-3 pieces of about once a week, but the food in the bowl looked different. So they must have brought it.
I got an apologetic reply, too, and a promise that it won't happen again. I don't think I sounded too angry in my message.
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kraut - 02 Jan 2008 14:10 GMT >> Not to take on the cleaners side, but it sounds like he thought he was >> just doing a good turn. He didn't know any better. Many people do not [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >I got an apologetic reply, too, and a promise that it won't happen >again. I don't think I sounded too angry in my message. GET OVER IT ALREADY!!! Or are you one of these people that live to complain?!?! I know a few of them and I try my hardest to avoid them at all cost!!!
They could find a pile of money and still complain about it!!!
leopardusweidii@yahoo.co.uk - 02 Jan 2008 15:28 GMT > GET OVER IT ALREADY!!! Or are you one of these people that live to > complain?!?! I know a few of them and I try my hardest to avoid them > at all cost!!! > > They could find a pile of money and still complain about it!!! How do you know that they are not actually avoiding you because of your agressive attitude? Marina had a perfectly legitimate complaint.
Helen M
Kreisleriana - 02 Jan 2008 16:16 GMT >>> Not to take on the cleaners side, but it sounds like he thought he was >>> just doing a good turn. He didn't know any better. Many people do not [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > They could find a pile of money and still complain about it!!! My brother made this for me when I was down in DC last week. Good with a nice French or Italian bread and a salad:
2 Tbs. olive oil 1 yellow onion, diced 1 head cauliflower, about 2 1/2 lb., cut into florets 5 cups low-sodium chicken broth 2 cups heavy cream 2 tsp. kosher salt, plus more, to taste Freshly ground pepper, to taste 8 oz. white cheddar cheese, shredded Toasted crusty bread for serving
In a large Dutch oven over medium-high heat, warm the olive oil. Add the onion and cook, stirring occasionally, until tender, 5 to 7 minutes. Add the cauliflower and cook, stirring occasionally, until light golden brown, about 5 minutes. Add the broth, cream, the 2 tsp. salt and pepper and bring to a boil. Reduce the heat to low and simmer until the cauliflower is easily pierced with a fork, about 10 minutes.
Using an immersion blender, blend the soup to a fine puree, 3 to 5 minutes. Add the cheese and stir until melted and well combined with the soup. Adjust the seasonings with salt and pepper.
Ladle the soup into individual bowls and serve immediately with toasted bread. Serves 6 to 8, or in my family, three. :P
Marina - 02 Jan 2008 17:15 GMT > Ladle the soup into individual bowls and serve immediately with toasted > bread. Serves 6 to 8, or in my family, three. :P LOL. Sounds delcious, thanks for posting this, Theresa.
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Monique Y. Mudama - 02 Jan 2008 17:42 GMT > My brother made this for me when I was down in DC last week. Good > with a nice French or Italian bread and a salad: [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > Ladle the soup into individual bowls and serve immediately with > toasted bread. Serves 6 to 8, or in my family, three. :P Thanks! I just bought cauliflower and have been looking for recipes.
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bastXXXette@sonic.net - 02 Jan 2008 18:40 GMT > My brother made this for me when I was down in DC last week. Good with a > nice French or Italian bread and a salad:
> 2 Tbs. olive oil > 1 yellow onion, diced [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > 8 oz. white cheddar cheese, shredded > Toasted crusty bread for serving That sounds wonderful!! Can't wait to try it.
Joyce
PS - I totally missed the exchange that prompted this recipe.
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Joy - 02 Jan 2008 20:47 GMT >>>> Not to take on the cleaners side, but it sounds like he thought he was >>>> just doing a good turn. He didn't know any better. Many people do not [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > Ladle the soup into individual bowls and serve immediately with toasted > bread. Serves 6 to 8, or in my family, three. :P Good response!
Joy
Stormmee - 06 Jan 2008 03:56 GMT I have one that is basically the same except you use broccoli and sharp yellow cheddar or pepper jack cheese, I am a soup addict, Lee
> >>> Not to take on the cleaners side, but it sounds like he thought he was > >>> just doing a good turn. He didn't know any better. Many people do not [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > Ladle the soup into individual bowls and serve immediately with toasted > bread. Serves 6 to 8, or in my family, three. :P Karen - 02 Jan 2008 18:27 GMT >>> Not to take on the cleaners side, but it sounds like he thought he was >>> just doing a good turn. He didn't know any better. Many people do not [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > They could find a pile of money and still complain about it!!! That was a little over the top, eh? It really is a medically disasterous thing for some kitties to receive kibble. I'm sure the person thought they were being nice. I'm not sure where this vituperous response came from.
bastXXXette@sonic.net - 02 Jan 2008 18:48 GMT [indication of missed meds deleted]
> That was a little over the top, eh? It really is a medically > disasterous thing for some kitties to receive kibble. I'm sure the > person thought they were being nice. I'm not sure where this vituperous > response came from. It's typical of this poster.
Joyce
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Kreisleriana - 02 Jan 2008 19:57 GMT > [indication of missed meds deleted] > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Joyce Thus these lovely, fattening soup recipes: ;)
Roasted Potato Soup with Sour Cream and Bacon
4 thin-skinned medium potatoes, like Yukon Gold or Carola, skin on, sliced ¾-inch thick 2 teaspoons olive oil Salt and freshly ground black pepper 1 bay leaf 6 thyme sprigs 6 slices bacon, coarsely chopped ½ cup sour cream 2 tablespoons minced chives (optional).
1. Heat oven to 375 degrees. Toss potatoes in oil and ½ teaspoon salt. Spread on a rimmed baking sheet and bake uncovered until tender, about 35 minutes. Transfer to a pot with a tight-fitting lid. Pour 1 cup boiling water into baking sheet and swirl to deglaze, then pour into pot with potatoes. Add bay leaf, thyme and 5 cups boiling water, cover tightly, and set aside for 1 hour. Remove bay leaf and thyme sprigs. Using a hand blender or working in batches in a blender, purée soup until smooth, adding more boiling water if mixture is too thick. Season with salt and pepper, keeping in mind that the bacon garnish will be salty.
wafflycat - 02 Jan 2008 19:19 GMT For my evening meal I had a jacket potato filled with a scrummy mix of tuna, diced red onion, diced red apple, a little chives, celery seeds, garlic, black pepper and fat-free fromage frais. Tasty, filling & quick.
Happy New Year all :)
Caroline S. - 02 Jan 2008 15:02 GMT > > Not to take on the cleaners side, but it sounds like he thought he was > > just doing a good turn. He didn't know any better. Many people do not [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > -- > Marina, Miranda and Caliban. In loving memory of Frank and Nikki. I'm with you on this one Marina. I'm sure, as others have said, that it was well intentioned, but I can't imagine any scenario where, as a stranger to a house to perform a service, it would be appropriate to feed an animal I knew nothing about. I could see them leaving a note or asking whether in the future they can/should feed the animal. In hindsight, maybe a note saying "The cat is NOT starving, regardless of what he tells you" might help :)
Happy New Year, Caroline S.
Adrian - 02 Jan 2008 16:45 GMT >>> Not to take on the cleaners side, but it sounds like he thought he >>> was just doing a good turn. He didn't know any better. Many people [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > Happy New Year, > Caroline S. That reminds me of a house I visited a few weeks ago, a sign on the front door said "Please don't let the cat out, nomatter what he tells you".
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Marina - 02 Jan 2008 17:14 GMT > That reminds me of a house I visited a few weeks ago, a sign on the front > door said "Please don't let the cat out, nomatter what he tells you". There's a sign in my sister's building, saying the cats who live there are excellent actors but visitors should not believe them when they (the cats) tell them (visitors) that they are starving.
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Marina - 02 Jan 2008 17:33 GMT > I'm with you on this one Marina. I'm sure, as others have said, that > it was well intentioned, but I can't imagine any scenario where, as a [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > hindsight, maybe a note saying "The cat is NOT starving, regardless of > what he tells you" might help :) Thanks, Caroline. I thought it was way over the line, too. I'd never feed someone else's pet without asking.
I think Caliban might need that sentence tattooed on his forehead. ;)
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Caroline S. - 02 Jan 2008 15:05 GMT > > Not to take on the cleaners side, but it sounds like he thought he was > > just doing a good turn. He didn't know any better. Many people do not [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > -- > Marina, Miranda and Caliban. In loving memory of Frank and Nikki. I'm with you on this one Marina. I'm sure, as others have said, that it was well intentioned, but I can't imagine any scenario where, as a stranger to a house to perform a service, it would be appropriate to feed an animal I knew nothing about. I could see them leaving a note or asking whether in the future they can/should feed the animal. In hindsight, maybe a note saying "The cat is NOT starving, regardless of what he tells you" might help :)
Happy New Year, Caroline S.
leopardusweidii@yahoo.co.uk - 02 Jan 2008 15:27 GMT > I did recognize that, though I blew my top here by myself when I > discovered it. I knew at the same time that he thought he was doing a [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > -- > Marina, Miranda and Caliban. In loving memory of Frank and Nikki. I think it was perfectly reasonable to get upset, Marina. I also think you dealt with it appropriately by sending an email rather than chewing the guy out. Clearly he thought he was trying to help with a kindness, but, like you, I am *VERY* funny about what my pets eat. Even my grandma, who looks after Cara several times a week asks me if it's OK for her to have a treat, or be fed scraps etc, as she knows I have Cara on a diet.
Helen M
Victor Martinez - 02 Jan 2008 13:29 GMT > overweight, dry food can cause kidney disease in cats. I hope I managed > to teach the cleaner something. I'm pretty sure the cleaner won't do it again. We have a cleaning service that comes once every two weeks, but I would not dream of not being in the house while they work. I have to make sure none of the kitties pulls a Houdini escape.
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Karen AKA Kajikit - 02 Jan 2008 13:46 GMT >Sorry, but I need to vent. > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] >overweight, dry food can cause kidney disease in cats. I hope I managed >to teach the cleaner something. It's not like he was trying to poison Caliban Marina... the bowl was empty, he thought the cat was hungry, so he fed it. End of story. I'm sure he considered it a good deed.
Kreisleriana - 02 Jan 2008 16:00 GMT > Sorry, but I need to vent. > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > overweight, dry food can cause kidney disease in cats. I hope I managed to > teach the cleaner something. Purrs the cleaner gets a clue. There is a famous story about FDR's Scottish terrier, Fala, suffering from gastroenteritis soon after the Roosevelts came into the White House. It turned out that Fala had so thoroughly charmed and conned the White House staff, that they were constantly sneaking him food. FDR immediately handed down an edict that nobody was to feed Fala except himself.
I'm sure that your cleaner doesn't mean any harm-- it's probably more that your adorable Cali has him thoroughly bamboozled with his cuteness.
Marina - 02 Jan 2008 16:48 GMT > I'm sure that your cleaner doesn't mean any harm-- it's probably more that > your adorable Cali has him thoroughly bamboozled with his cuteness. Yeah, I know he didn't mean any harm. Caliban definitely knows how to wrap someone around his little paw. And he has definitely had an extra meal today. Normally, he would have been beging for his dinner for the last two hours, but he's sleeping contentedly on the bed.
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Monique Y. Mudama - 02 Jan 2008 17:39 GMT > Grrrr. I'm so mad. I know the cleaner likes cats, but he shouldn't > be trying to buy Caliban's affection with food, especially not [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > besides overweight, dry food can cause kidney disease in cats. I > hope I managed to teach the cleaner something. I'm sorry you're so mad. Ill-conceived as their treat may have been, it sounds like they meant well. The letter is a good idea. One meal of dry food, if he even had any, is not going to cause him lasting harm. (Although -- it could have if he were diabetic.)
I had to stop a postal carrier once from feeding my dog a large portion of a chocolate cake. She certainly didn't mean to hurt him; she just didn't realize how bad chocolate is for dogs.
I agree that the cleaners should not have made any assumptions and should have asked you first if they wanted to do something nice for your cats.
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Karen - 02 Jan 2008 18:25 GMT > Sorry, but I need to vent. > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > overweight, dry food can cause kidney disease in cats. I hope I managed > to teach the cleaner something. Could have been disasterous for a diabetic kitty. I'm sure they thought it was a treat. A polite email sounds like the best decision.
Marina - 02 Jan 2008 20:22 GMT > Could have been disasterous for a diabetic kitty. I'm sure they thought > it was a treat. A polite email sounds like the best decision. I hadn't even thought of the danger to a diabetic cat. The mind boggles.
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Christina Websell - 02 Jan 2008 20:06 GMT > Sorry, but I need to vent. > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > overweight, dry food can cause kidney disease in cats. I hope I managed to > teach the cleaner something. I am with you on this Marina. I would be cross too. I suppose Caliban gave him the "I am dropping dead of starvation here" and it might have been hard to resist. If I had a cleaner (I wish) once Boyfie had got used to them I am sure he would try the same thing. It's not easy to have a very greedy cat.
My neighbour managed to get through 4 weeks worth of cat food in 2 weeks when I was in Germany (not likely to happen again) He has no experience with cats. He's a dog and chicken person. He said "I nearly ran out of food for your cats." Yeah? I forgot to tell him that Boyfie can eat more than an elephant, given the chance and he *was* given the chance because my lovely neighbour wanted to make sure he got enough while I was away :-)
These tabby and white boys <sigh>
Tweed
Marina - 02 Jan 2008 20:21 GMT > I am with you on this Marina. I would be cross too. I suppose Caliban gave > him the "I am dropping dead of starvation here" and it might have been hard [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > These tabby and white boys <sigh> I'm laughing about the whole thing now. I think Caliban may be having second thoughts about begging for food from the cleaner. He has been very still all evening. It may be that it's not so easy to suddenly digest a tummy full of kibble when you've had a diet of fresh meat for a long time.
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Christina Websell - 02 Jan 2008 21:11 GMT >> I am with you on this Marina. I would be cross too. I suppose Caliban >> gave him the "I am dropping dead of starvation here" and it might have [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > still all evening. It may be that it's not so easy to suddenly digest a > tummy full of kibble when you've had a diet of fresh meat for a long time. LOL, trying hard not to say "it serves you right, Caliban!"
Tweed
Yowie - 03 Jan 2008 10:17 GMT >>> I am with you on this Marina. I would be cross too. I suppose Caliban >>> gave him the "I am dropping dead of starvation here" and it might have [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >> > LOL, trying hard not to say "it serves you right, Caliban!" If only he could burp loudly and undo his belt! LOL. He must think its Christmas :-)
Yowie
leopardusweidii@yahoo.co.uk - 02 Jan 2008 22:49 GMT > Boyfie can eat more than an elephant, given the chance and he *was* given > the chance because my lovely neighbour wanted to make sure he got enough [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Tweed I think it must be a tabby and white thing, LOL! Miss Lily Whiskers is convinced that she is starving 98% of the time and whines and bitches and moans about it even when she has just been fed!
Helen M
Marina - 03 Jan 2008 05:12 GMT > I think it must be a tabby and white thing, LOL! Miss Lily Whiskers is > convinced that she is starving 98% of the time and whines and bitches > and moans about it even when she has just been fed! Caliban does that, too. He complains right after he has finished his food. And gnaws on the knobs of the bookcase. Like right now. He had breakfast ten minutes ago.
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mlbriggs - 03 Jan 2008 06:01 GMT >> I think it must be a tabby and white thing, LOL! Miss Lily Whiskers is >> convinced that she is starving 98% of the time and whines and bitches [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > And gnaws on the knobs of the bookcase. Like right now. He had breakfast > ten minutes ago. TuTu is also a tabby and white who thinks she needs to be fed constantly. I fixed her a small taste of my dinner tonight -- she had already had her dinner -- she polished that off and sat there staring at me with the most pitiful look of starvation. Poor 16 pound baby! MLB
Sandy - 03 Jan 2008 06:40 GMT >> I think it must be a tabby and white thing, LOL! Miss Lily Whiskers is >> convinced that she is starving 98% of the time and whines and bitches [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > And gnaws on the knobs of the bookcase. Like right now. He had breakfast > ten minutes ago. Sometimes when I look at Sundance after a meal, I could swear he's saying, "Thanks for the appetizers, Mom. I'm ready for the main course now."
Sandy
Kreisleriana - 03 Jan 2008 14:34 GMT >> I think it must be a tabby and white thing, LOL! Miss Lily Whiskers is >> convinced that she is starving 98% of the time and whines and bitches [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > And gnaws on the knobs of the bookcase. Like right now. He had breakfast > ten minutes ago. Stinky is free-fed, because unlike Cali, he has a tendency to be skinny. But he always lets me know when he can see the bottom of his bowl. Space at the bottom of the bowl is a sure sign of imminent starvation. :P
Sandy - 03 Jan 2008 06:38 GMT >> Boyfie can eat more than an elephant, given the chance and he *was* given >> the chance because my lovely neighbour wanted to make sure he got enough [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Helen M I think so, too. Sundance (orange tabby and white) acts the same way. A while back I gave my housekeeper permission to give him 3 or 4 treats when she is here. Recently I happened to be here on the day she came, and I saw that she was giving him quite a bit more. I set her straight, though, and I'm sure she didn't mean any harm.
BUT, to give a cat a type of food that the owner didn't even know about, that's not good.
Sandy
Joy - 02 Jan 2008 20:44 GMT > Sorry, but I need to vent. > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > overweight, dry food can cause kidney disease in cats. I hope I managed to > teach the cleaner something. I hope so too. Since you were polite about it, I would imagine your message got through. Congratulations on being able to do that. I would imagine that once won't hurt him, but you certainly wouldn't want the cleaner to make a habit of it.
Joy
Stormmee - 06 Jan 2008 03:47 GMT I would be furious, and if this isn't fixed I would be asking for a different cleaner, or getting a different service. Lee, who wouldn't leave for a couple of cycles to make the point
> Sorry, but I need to vent. > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > -- > Marina, Miranda and Caliban. In loving memory of Frank and Nikki. Jack Campin - bogus address - 06 Jan 2008 13:28 GMT > I have a cleaner coming in a couple of times a month, because I just > can't keep up with housework with my hand problems. > The cleaner came today. I always go out while he's here, to be out of > the way. When I came home, the flat was spotless - nothing to complain > about there - but a while later I spotted something in Caliban's food > bowl. Took a closer look. Kibble! It was *half full* of kibble! [...]
> I did write a polite e-mail requesting they don't feed my cats without > permission in future. I pointed out that Caliban had just come off a > rigorous diet to lose some dangerous overweight and that, besides > overweight, dry food can cause kidney disease in cats. I hope I managed > to teach the cleaner something. If I'd been looking after your cats for you, I'd have done exactly the same as your cleaner unless you had given me a very good reason not to. (The weight problem would have been such a reason, but the kidney disease scare is just nonsense; if a cat gets enough water there's no issue, and dry food is better for their teeth).
We've just had someone looking after our cats when we were on holiday in Istanbul. We left him a note saying to free-feed all our cats a mixture of dry and wet food but never under any circumstances to put out anything with wheat or "cereals" in it, and said exactly what he'd be dealing with if he got it wrong. In the event he didn't feed them in quite the same protocol we use, but they haven't filed a complaint.
What they *did* file a complaint about was me picking up Turkish cats and cuddling them so my anorak smelt of them. They registered their displeasure right on the offending anorak, and I didn't notice until I was on the bus to work yesterday morning and wondered where the cat pee smell was coming from.
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Monique Y. Mudama - 06 Jan 2008 15:29 GMT > If I'd been looking after your cats for you, I'd have done exactly > the same as your cleaner unless you had given me a very good reason > not to. (The weight problem would have been such a reason, but the > kidney disease scare is just nonsense; if a cat gets enough water > there's no issue, and dry food is better for their teeth). To the best of my knowledge the idea that dry food is better for cat teeth is no longer considered correct.
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Stormmee - 06 Jan 2008 23:46 GMT vet says its dependent on the cat, her philosophy is it goes cat to cat, Lee
> > If I'd been looking after your cats for you, I'd have done exactly > > the same as your cleaner unless you had given me a very good reason [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca Monique Y. Mudama - 07 Jan 2008 07:33 GMT > vet says its dependent on the cat, her philosophy is it goes cat to cat, Lee My vet says it was never really proved for dogs, and that even if it were true for dogs it wouldn't prove anything for cats. Regardless, the benefits of wet over dry are significant in terms of preventing diabetes (granted this assumes higher grain content in dry, which may not be true depending on the specifics).
*sigh* but Oscar has made it clear she's willing to fast until I give her dry food, and I'm not willing to do that to her when she's already ill. So dry food it is ... at least I do try to keep her on the low-grain varieties.
>> > If I'd been looking after your cats for you, I'd have done exactly >> > the same as your cleaner unless you had given me a very good reason [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >> >> pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca
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Joy - 07 Jan 2008 08:31 GMT Yes, sometimes, at least, you just have to feed them what they'll eat.
Joy
>> vet says its dependent on the cat, her philosophy is it goes cat to cat, >> Lee [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >>> >>> pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca Stormmee - 07 Jan 2008 08:39 GMT exactly my point like in humans, I agree with the vet... if I were going on taste preferences I would never eat meat again, or would go literally months in between for real red meat... however my health suffers if I do this, so it stands to reasons that cats are the same, good you are listening to your master and choosing the healthiest option for her, Lee
> > vet says its dependent on the cat, her philosophy is it goes cat to cat, Lee > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca Marina - 06 Jan 2008 18:06 GMT > If I'd been looking after your cats for you, I'd have done exactly the > same as your cleaner unless you had given me a very good reason not to. He wasn't here to look after my cats, he was here to clean my flat. Nowhere in our contract does it say he is to look after my cats. I have never asked him to look after my cats, except of course to make sure they don't escape from the flat when he comes and goes.
> (The weight problem would have been such a reason, but the kidney disease > scare is just nonsense; if a cat gets enough water there's no issue, and > dry food is better for their teeth). Dry food does nothing for cats' teeth. It's a myth perpetuated by clever advertising. Cats don't chew their food.
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EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 06 Jan 2008 19:03 GMT >> If I'd been looking after your cats for you, I'd have done exactly the >> same as your cleaner unless you had given me a very good reason not to. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Dry food does nothing for cats' teeth. It's a myth perpetuated by clever > advertising. Cats don't chew their food. Evidently that's another of the many statements one cannot categorically make about ALL cats! (Mine not only chew their dry food, but do it so loudly I can clearly hear them in the adjacent room!)
kraut - 06 Jan 2008 20:24 GMT >>> If I'd been looking after your cats for you, I'd have done exactly the >>> same as your cleaner unless you had given me a very good reason not to. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >their dry food, but do it so loudly I can clearly hear them >in the adjacent room!) One of mine is at present eating her dry from a dish next to me and is about to drive me nuts. Reminds me of a kid biting hard candy!!
All 4 of mine chew their dry food.
Marina - 07 Jan 2008 04:33 GMT > Evidently that's another of the many statements one cannot categorically > make about ALL cats! (Mine not only chew their dry food, but do it so > loudly I can clearly hear them in the adjacent room!) When cats eat dry food, they crunch down once on each piece of kibble. It shatters and they swallow the pieces. They don't chew each piece over and over like a herbivore, say, a cow. The sound comes from eating several pieces in succession, biting down once on each.
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EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 07 Jan 2008 22:28 GMT >> Evidently that's another of the many statements one cannot >> categorically make about ALL cats! (Mine not only chew their dry [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > and over like a herbivore, say, a cow. The sound comes from eating > several pieces in succession, biting down once on each. Okay, but that still fits MY definition of "chewing". They bite-down on it, they don't swallow it whole! What difference does it make whether they chew it "thoroughly", so long as their teeth get exercised?
Marina - 08 Jan 2008 04:12 GMT > Okay, but that still fits MY definition of "chewing". They bite-down on > it, they don't swallow it whole! What difference does it make whether > they chew it "thoroughly", so long as their teeth get exercised? Maybe their teeth get exercise, but we were talking about dry food allegedly helping to *clean* their teeth.
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EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 09 Jan 2008 22:17 GMT >> Okay, but that still fits MY definition of "chewing". They bite-down >> on it, they don't swallow it whole! What difference does it make >> whether they chew it "thoroughly", so long as their teeth get exercised? > > Maybe their teeth get exercise, but we were talking about dry food > allegedly helping to *clean* their teeth. Well, anything abrasive (like dry food) must have SOME effect. (Whether or not it's enought to be therapeutic is another matter.)
Jack Campin - bogus address - 06 Jan 2008 19:27 GMT >> The weight problem would have been such a reason, but the kidney disease >> scare is just nonsense; if a cat gets enough water there's no issue, and >> dry food is better for their teeth. > Dry food does nothing for cats' teeth. It's a myth perpetuated by clever > advertising. Cats don't chew their food. We've had a helluva lot of cats. The ones that preferred dry food all had far better teeth and gums than the others. The "myth" works fine for us.
They may not chew, but they do crunch the stuff. The effect is the same, deposits don't build up and the gums are toughened. Vets will prescribe special kinds of dry food for dental problems, our Zeke was on it for a while (he hated it).
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bastXXXette@sonic.net - 06 Jan 2008 21:00 GMT > >> The weight problem would have been such a reason, but the kidney disease > >> scare is just nonsense; if a cat gets enough water there's no issue, and > >> dry food is better for their teeth. > > Dry food does nothing for cats' teeth. It's a myth perpetuated by clever > > advertising. Cats don't chew their food.
> We've had a helluva lot of cats. The ones that preferred dry food all > had far better teeth and gums than the others. The "myth" works fine > for us.
> They may not chew, but they do crunch the stuff. The effect is the same, > deposits don't build up and the gums are toughened. Vets will prescribe > special kinds of dry food for dental problems, our Zeke was on it for a > while (he hated it). In the wild, cats will eat an animal almost whole, chomping bones along with the meat. So they get the gooshy wet stuff that gives them water, and they also get something to crunch, which is good for their teeth (it doesn't hurt that the crunchy stuff is full of calcium!).
Maybe a combo of dry and wet is good for cats?
Joyce
Marina - 07 Jan 2008 04:30 GMT > We've had a helluva lot of cats. The ones that preferred dry food all > had far better teeth and gums than the others. The "myth" works fine > for us. My family always had cats. None of them had dry food, ever, because it didn't even appear on the Finnish market until maybe the 1980s. None of them had problems with their teeth.
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Victor Martinez - 07 Jan 2008 04:45 GMT > We've had a helluva lot of cats. The ones that preferred dry food all > had far better teeth and gums than the others. The "myth" works fine > for us. Our cats have healthy gums and teeth, only Luna and Xoxo (our old guy) have required dental cleanings. Both Luna and Xoxo love kibble. Well, Luna loves food, period. :) Maya and Basho rarely eat kibble, and they have never had dental issues.
I read an article sometime ago (posted by Phil M., if I remember correctly) about how kibble must be dog-size so that the abrasive action can actually do any good. That's why the Science Diet dental formula is so large. Think about it. Small kibble, chewed mostly on the molars, will only abrade the surface of those teeth. Nothing on the sides, which is where the tartar forms. It would have to be a very large kibble for it to actually abrade the sides of the teeth.
Cheers.
Victor
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Lesley - 06 Jan 2008 20:28 GMT > Dry food does nothing for cats' teeth. It's a myth perpetuated by clever > advertising. Cats don't chew their food. some dry food does help to clean their teeth (Hills do a dental dry food) but if it doesn't specify it on the packaging then it doesn't. Apparently the one's that do are shaped differently- the Hills dental (as I remember) had huge chunky bits of kibble
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Monique Y. Mudama - 08 Jan 2008 04:54 GMT > Dry food does nothing for cats' teeth. It's a myth perpetuated by > clever advertising. Cats don't chew their food. I've heard and seen Oscar crack some kibble into smaller pieces before eating. Don't know if that counts as chewing. Crumbs generally surround her plate.
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