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David Stevenson - 18 Nov 2004 23:44 GMT Here in the UK we have five channels of TV ["terrestrial channels"] coming through our aerials, two of which are funded by licence fees not advertising. Naturally they compete a lot. Cable and satellite provide lot more of course, and Sky our main satellite provider looks on Sky One as its best channel.
Tonight for ten minutes we had a unique experience: all five terrestrial channels plus Sky One were identical, playing a new video!
Band Aid 20: a great attempt to reduce poverty in Africa, and I really appreciate the warring TV channels coming together to promote it.
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Karen Chuplis - 19 Nov 2004 01:08 GMT > Here in the UK we have five channels of TV ["terrestrial channels"] > coming through our aerials, two of which are funded by licence fees not [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Band Aid 20: a great attempt to reduce poverty in Africa, and I really > appreciate the warring TV channels coming together to promote it. Wow. That's pretty unusual (or would be here in the US). The only thing that gets played simultaneously is CSI.
Sherry - 19 Nov 2004 05:53 GMT >Wow. That's pretty unusual (or would be here in the US). The only thing that >gets played simultaneously is CSI. Do you watch CSI? I used to. I've found I can't watch it any more. It's become so graphic it makes me physically sick. The only other TV show that makes me sick is that one with the 2 ladies who go in and clean houses. Grosss. I had to turn that one off too.
Sherry
Karen Chuplis - 19 Nov 2004 06:27 GMT >> Wow. That's pretty unusual (or would be here in the US). The only thing that >> gets played simultaneously is CSI. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Sherry Yeah, I do. I don't watch Miami. It just isn't interesting but I watch the other two. Vegas is still my favorite. It just seems the fullest. Some eps are more graphic than others. Tonight was pretty bad, but it was really an interesting episode. All about transgender. The most intersting part was the end, when Gil is telling a friend of the murdered victim what happened and she asks him what she can tell the parents (who were not on good terms with the victim due to the changing of genders) and he replied, tell them about the oysters. Apparently there is a species of oyster that has certain members that can change gender at will (I think I've heard of other creatures that can do this too, maybe insects?) and perhaps, humans were meant to be able to do that too, but the ability mutated out, and our single gender propensity could be a mutation. Sounds clumsy here, but in the context of the show, I thought it really had impact and a lot of food for thought. Of course, I'm in love with William Petersen, so that helps ;)
dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers - 19 Nov 2004 10:25 GMT > Sounds clumsy here, but in the >context of the show, I thought it really had impact and a lot of food for >thought. Of course, I'm in love with William Petersen, so that helps ;) According to my teenage son, Grisom is a grumpy geek, but Horatio is *seriously kewl*
Cheers, helen s ;-)
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Karen - 19 Nov 2004 20:29 GMT > > Sounds clumsy here, but in the > >context of the show, I thought it really had impact and a lot of food for [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Cheers, helen s ;-) Well, I can see that from a teenage point of view :)
SUQKRT - 19 Nov 2004 18:59 GMT >>> Wow. That's pretty unusual (or would be here in the US). The only thing >that [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] >context of the show, I thought it really had impact and a lot of food for >thought. Of course, I'm in love with William Petersen, so that helps ;) I'm a big CSI(Las Vegas) fan yes its gross, but between the science and the charactors its fascinating tv. Suz Macmoosette Thank Heavens There's Only One =^..^= =^..^= =^..^= =^..^= =^..^= =^..^=
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Howard Berkowitz - 19 Nov 2004 21:44 GMT > >>> Wow. That's pretty unusual (or would be here in the US). The only > >>> thing [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > the > charactors its fascinating tv. I'm a little amused with NBC's attempted response to CSI, "Medical Investigation". My girlfriend the psychologist (cognitive, not clinical) advised me to stop watching it after two shows...she felt that I was getting so annoyed over the fantastic variety and scope of errors that it wouldn't be good for my blood pressure!
I will have to credit the great scientific line by the trainee in one episode "Look! I found green glop!", followed by a junior physician giving his sage observations on green glop.
In fairness, the clinical presentations of the diseases are internally consistent, but the blundering and ignorance of the team epidemiologists is surpassed only by the incompetence of the local physicians. In the last one I saw, it was obvious, in about 2 or 3 minutes, that they had a bunch of children suffering from an autoimmune disorder with at least skin manifestations. Corticosteroids would have baen utterly basic, but the local doctor explained her treatment as "warm soaks and pain medicine." For some obscure reason, in the middle of rampant idiocy, one team member wandered in, cited detailed and relevant information from nerve conduction studies, and then wandered off again.
The really sad thing is that this could have been a superb series if they had actually based it on the real Epidemiological Intelligence Service, the "medical detectives" out of the Centers for Disease Control in Atlanta. They couldn't even get this right - they had the team as part of NIH in the Washington area.
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Jo Firey - 20 Nov 2004 01:36 GMT "Howard Berkowitz" <hcb@gettcomm.com> wrote in message news:hcb-
> I'm a little amused with NBC's attempted response to CSI, "Medical > Investigation". My girlfriend the psychologist (cognitive, not clinical) > advised me to stop watching it after two shows...she felt that I was > getting so annoyed over the fantastic variety and scope of errors that > it wouldn't be good for my blood pressure! I've been watching it in amused amazement. I'm pretty sure I know what the mission of the NIH is and this ain't it.
And have wondered more than once what you thought of the show.
The one set in the little remote West Virginia town hit most every stereotype dead on.
I don't see how they are going to generate enough scripts for an entire season. Especially if they try to create a new version of Ebola or Anthrax on an weekly basis.
Jo
Howard Berkowitz - 20 Nov 2004 05:49 GMT > "Howard Berkowitz" <hcb@gettcomm.com> wrote in message news:hcb- > > I'm a little amused with NBC's attempted response to CSI, "Medical [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > the > mission of the NIH is and this ain't it. The irony is that they'd have several years of scripts if they used the actual reports of the Epidemiological Intelligence Service of the Centers for Disease Control. The nonfiction book, _The Coming Plague_, does an excellent job of covering both the science and drama of what the real epidemiologists do.
Examples of real situations they solved, admittedly not in an hour, include the Legionnaire's Disease outbreak in Philadelphia, the Sin Nombre hantavirus outbreak in the American Southwest, a number of episodes in Latin America,
> And have wondered more than once what you thought of the show. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Anthrax > on an weekly basis. I subscribe to a daily epidemiology mailing list, PROmed, sponsored by the International Society for Infectious Diseases with CDC/EIS involvement. There are daily unexplained disease outbreaks, as well as different presentations of anthrax, ebola, or other hot agents every week or two. Some national organizations can deal with their local crises, while others call for help. CDC is considered a world resource by the World Health Organization.
There are only a few diagnostic labs in the world that can work at Biosafety Level 4, where you find the largely untreatable, highly infectious viruses (mostly hemorrhagic) such as Ebola/Marburg, Crimea-Congo, dengue hemorrhagic fever, some hantaviruses, Lassa, and others (Lassa can be treated). Anthrax is usually Level 3.
In other words, there is a huge body of real-world experience that could lead to some very good scripts. "The Andromeda Strain" was fictional and even a little dated, but things like "The Hot Zone" were reality based. Not all Ebola strains transmit to humans, but there was a very, very scary few days when a monkey research lab in the suburbs of Washington DC had an outbreak -- which was not a human pathogen. There have also been animal-only outbreaks in the Phillipines.
SARS seems mostly under control now, but there was worldwide effort involved in having the Chinese open up their hospitals and records. The SARS outbreak in Toronto turned out largely due to improper use of respirators and other protective measures by healthcare workers - much of SARS transmission has been through healthcare workers. It wouldn't take much to turn the Toronto experience into a decent drama.
Yowie - 20 Nov 2004 00:00 GMT > >>> Wow. That's pretty unusual (or would be here in the US). The only thing > >that [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > I'm a big CSI(Las Vegas) fan yes its gross, but between the science and the > charactors its fascinating tv. See, thats where I had to stop watching. The science is horrid! Sometimes its very accurate, and sometimes its just crappy dramatics to get round an otherwise awkward bit of the plot. If it were always crappy science, I could turn the brain off and just watch, but when there is really good and really bad thrown in together, it drives me nuts. Not every test for everythign starts off with a clear colution or q-tip and when postive comes up a nice magenta -t here are *lots* of other sorts of spot tests for things. Thats simply phenolpthalein and that goes from clear to magenta at a pH of about 9, ie, when it hits something alkaline like a solution of cooking soda. The other test they commonly use is something that turns blue when positive - thats simply anhydrous copper sulphate that is clear or white when dry, but turns a distinctive blue when wet.
See, thats the sort of stuff that drives me bonkers. If it was real forensic science, I'd watch in rapt fascination. If it was just a drama with hokey science, I'd watch because its a good drama, but with a mix of hokey science and really genuine science, and I can't cope anymore.
Yowie PS, sorry to destroy the illusion, folks.
Marina - 20 Nov 2004 04:32 GMT > I'm a big CSI(Las Vegas) fan yes its gross, but between the science and the > charactors its fascinating tv. Sorry to disillusion you, Suz, but ever since I saw the one where they claimed that the mark on the bone of a diabetic was from his injection needle I've taken the science with a huge grain of salt. You would have to literally be skin and bones to manage sticking the needle into the bone, those needles are so short. They are meant to go just under the skin.
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SUQKRT - 20 Nov 2004 23:59 GMT >> I'm a big CSI(Las Vegas) fan yes its gross, but between the science and >the [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >to literally be skin and bones to manage sticking the needle into the >bone, those needles are so short. They are meant to go just under the skin. True, I know that the needles diabetics use are ver fine, but confess I didn't think about it too much. Suz Macmoosette Thank Heavens There's Only One =^..^= =^..^= =^..^= =^..^= =^..^= =^..^=
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Ginger-lyn Summer - 19 Nov 2004 19:25 GMT >Yeah, I do. I don't watch Miami. It just isn't interesting but I watch the >other two. Vegas is still my favorite. It just seems the fullest. Some eps [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >context of the show, I thought it really had impact and a lot of food for >thought. Of course, I'm in love with William Petersen, so that helps ;) That was a very, very moving ending, and you described it very well, Karen :-)
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dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers - 19 Nov 2004 10:24 GMT >Do you watch CSI? I used to. I've found I can't watch it any more. It's >become >so graphic it makes me physically sick. The only other TV show that makes me >sick is that one with the 2 ladies who go in and clean houses. Grosss. I had >to >turn that one off too. In that case, never watch the UK sort of equivalent, one of which is "Waking the Dead". An excellent series, but less glossy than CSI and with more detailed plots.
See
http://www.bbc.co.uk/drama/crime/waking/
Then there's "Silent Witness" - again less glossy than CSI, but the plots are more detailed.
On the other hand, as far as my teenage offspring is concerned, Horatio is *the man* being *seriously kewl* ;-Þ
Cheers, helen s
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Sherry - 19 Nov 2004 15:41 GMT >In that case, never watch the UK sort of equivalent, one of which is "Waking >the Dead". An excellent series, but less glossy than CSI and with more [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >Cheers, helen s I think the premise is fascinating, I just can't handle those sudden flashes to discolored gaping wounds and instruments digging around in dead flesh. The science is totally interesting. I just need a version censored for weenies. I agree with your son, Horatio is seriously kewl, and I'd actually watch it for that reason. But they don't give you a "SHUT YOUR EYES!!" warning on the icky stuff. It just splashes on the screen!!
Sherry
Jo Firey - 19 Nov 2004 18:41 GMT > >In that case, never watch the UK sort of equivalent, one of which is > >"Waking [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > Sherry It was great when the show started. The gor was limited to the title crime scene variety. They didn't seem to feel the need to take us through an autopsy every week. (That's medical examiner, not crime scene)
The Miami version is so much darker, and the NY darker still. Plus I adore Petersen and can't stand the lead guys on the other two. (In the NY version do they even have detective working the case? or does the CSI guy do it all?)
Jo
Jeanette - 19 Nov 2004 21:14 GMT > > I think the premise is fascinating, I just can't handle those sudden > > flashes to > > discolored gaping wounds and instruments digging around in dead flesh. I had a sudden dislocation of reality then, I thought you guys were still talking about the Band Aid video, and thought about guitars when you said 'instruments'.
Jeanette
Sherry - 20 Nov 2004 03:02 GMT >I had a sudden dislocation of reality then, I thought you guys were still >talking about the Band Aid video, and thought about guitars when you said >'instruments'. > >Jeanette ROFL!!
SUQKRT - 19 Nov 2004 18:59 GMT >>Do you watch CSI? I used to. I've found I can't watch it any more. It's >>become [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >http://www.bbc.co.uk/drama/crime/waking/ We get Waking the Dead on a channel called BBCAmerica. Actually its more like a show called Cold Case that's on Sundays on CBS. I'm a forenics/cop show junky. Suz Macmoosette Thank Heavens There's Only One =^..^= =^..^= =^..^= =^..^= =^..^= =^..^=
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mlbriggs - 19 Nov 2004 17:00 GMT >>Wow. That's pretty unusual (or would be here in the US). The only thing that >>gets played simultaneously is CSI. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Sherry I've watched CSI since it started. I agree with you that it has become too graphic. It was the same way with ER. In the beginning it was interesting and somewhat educational. Then the writers got the idea that if something was good, a lot of the same thing was better -- wrong! Also, with "shock" language -- it's a case of "monkey see -- monkey do". MLB
Ginger-lyn Summer - 19 Nov 2004 19:29 GMT > Here in the UK we have five channels of TV ["terrestrial channels"] >coming through our aerials, two of which are funded by licence fees not [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Band Aid 20: a great attempt to reduce poverty in Africa, and I really >appreciate the warring TV channels coming together to promote it. That is very cool. I'm sorry the US apparently isn't bothering to do anything anymore like this. I remember the first Live Aid (I think this is a similar thing yes?), way back in the '80s. I think at least part of it was broadcast on network TV, and maybe on more than one channel, but I can't remember for sure. I do remember in the wedding invitations for my first marriage, we asked people to donate to Live Aid.
Ginger-lyn
Stormin Mormon - 22 Nov 2004 06:05 GMT Curing African poverty by raising money in the UK or US can be very useful (if the locals down there are set up to feed themselves). Or useless if it promotes dependence.
I've heard that much of the reason for poverty in Africa is that the warring tribes do it to each other. And then they kill off the meddlesome aid workers who are trying to feed group B. Which Group A wanted starved to death, so group A kills aid workers.
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Here in the UK we have five channels of TV ["terrestrial channels"] coming through our aerials, two of which are funded by licence fees not advertising. Naturally they compete a lot. Cable and satellite provide lot more of course, and Sky our main satellite provider looks on Sky One as its best channel.
Tonight for ten minutes we had a unique experience: all five terrestrial channels plus Sky One were identical, playing a new video!
Band Aid 20: a great attempt to reduce poverty in Africa, and I really appreciate the warring TV channels coming together to promote it.
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Cheryl Perkins - 22 Nov 2004 11:56 GMT > Curing African poverty by raising money in the UK or US can be very useful > (if the locals down there are set up to feed themselves). Or useless if it > promotes dependence.
> I've heard that much of the reason for poverty in Africa is that the warring > tribes do it to each other. And then they kill off the meddlesome aid > workers who are trying to feed group B. Which Group A wanted starved to > death, so group A kills aid workers. Well, 'much' doesn't mean a whole lot. Sure, there are many wars in Africa. They are often a result of colonialism and the artificial boundarys drawn, especially those in the settlement after WW I. That may or may not mean much today to westerners, depending on your opinion on how much responsibilities the descendants of those who drew the boundaries have today. And aid workers usually had a free pass in such wars; that's why the killings in Iraq are so shocking to those in the field. Until very recently, aid workers were active except right in the heat of the fighting, and some aid groups even specialized in sending people to those places. Other common causes include economic systems which are often very badly skewed towards producing cheap export crops - coffee, cocoa, etc. - often at the expense of growing food to feed the local people. Then you get fights over what the best approach is to solve this problem - the IMF, which can control access to money, often takes a free market approach, which can cause devastating poverty in the short term and increase the already large divisions between rich and poor in developing countries. But the local governments are not rich enough to provide a saftey net for the poor - and tend to be either extremely oppressive or unstable in order to deal with the problems caused by extreme disparity in wealth among their citizens. These problems are often worsened if there is obvious corruption among the rich and powerful, and, as so often happens, often for historic reasons, the rich and powerful mostly belong to a different ethnic group than the poor and weak. (See above about the artifical boundaries that often combined rival ethnic groups into one country.) Then you get foreign aid. Sometimes aid is provided by people who simply want to help provide food or medical care for the poor because their moral beliefs tell them to help the less fortunate. But when countries get into it, so do politics. People in many countries think their governments give far more, and far more effective aid than in fact they do. Governments sometimes provide aid only to the countries or factions they support politically. Or they provide types of aid which support the donor country's economic ideas - for example, supporting megaprojects like dams to try to start an industrial economy rather than small projects like village wells which support the present economy (and I should mention the influence of urbanization...). Or they give and take - they give tied aid, which must be spent on, let's say, not the cheapest or best tractors for the receiving country, but tractors manufactured in the donor country. So much of the money spent on aid is not used wisely, and a lot doesn't even reach the donor country.
Poverty in Africa (and in much of the world) is a big, complex issue, and wars are only part of the reason. In some cases, the wars are the result, not the cause - as when one ethnic group fights another over scarce wealth or resources.
I should have labelled this a rant. I could also go on and on, but I'll stop now.
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Kreisleriana - 22 Nov 2004 13:54 GMT >> Curing African poverty by raising money in the UK or US can be very useful >> (if the locals down there are set up to feed themselves). Or useless if it [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] >I should have labelled this a rant. I could also go on and on, but I'll >stop now. But I thank you. You saved me the trouble.
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Marina - 22 Nov 2004 16:57 GMT >>>Curing African poverty by raising money in the UK or US can be very useful >>>(if the locals down there are set up to feed themselves). Or useless if it [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > > But I thank you. You saved me the trouble. Yes. Very good post.
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Yowie - 23 Nov 2004 02:20 GMT > > Curing African poverty by raising money in the UK or US can be very useful > > (if the locals down there are set up to feed themselves). Or useless if it [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > I should have labelled this a rant. I could also go on and on, but I'll > stop now. Excellent and succinct summary of the complexities of social issues.
While we may not be sure whether our offering of assistance are of any real help, we can be very sure that doing nothing will change nothing.
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jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 23 Nov 2004 03:58 GMT > Well, 'much' doesn't mean a whole lot. Sure, there are many wars in > Africa. They are often a result of colonialism and the artificial > boundarys drawn... Cheryl,
Thanks for a very intelligent, thoughtful, and knowledgeable post. It was very illuminating reading.
Joyce
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