Home | Contact Us | FAQ | Search & Site Map | Link to Us
Sign In | Join | Other 45 Sites in Network
Home
Discussion GroupsGeneral TopicsCat AnecdotesHealth and BehaviorRescue
CatKB.com
Contact UsLink To UsSearch & Site Map

Cat Forum / Cat Anecdotes / November 2004

Tip: Looking for answers? Try searching our database.

6 channels [OT]

Thread view: 
Enable EMail Alerts  Start New Thread
Thread rating: 
David Stevenson - 18 Nov 2004 23:44 GMT
  Here in the UK we have five channels of TV ["terrestrial channels"]
coming through our aerials, two of which are funded by licence fees not
advertising.  Naturally they compete a lot.  Cable and satellite provide
lot more of course, and Sky our main satellite provider looks on Sky One
as its best channel.

  Tonight for ten minutes we had a unique experience: all five
terrestrial channels plus Sky One were identical, playing a new video!

  Band Aid 20: a great attempt to reduce poverty in Africa, and I really
appreciate the warring TV channels coming together to promote it.

Signature

David Stevenson              Storypage:  http://blakjak.com/sty_menu.htm
Liverpool, England, UK         <cat2@blakjak.com>         Emails welcome
Nanki Poo: SI O+W B 11 Y L+ W++ C+ I T+ A- E H++ V- F Q P+ B+ PA+ PL SC
Minke: SI W+Cp B 2 Y L W+ C++ I T A- E H++ V++ F- Q- P B PA+ PL+ SC-

Karen Chuplis - 19 Nov 2004 01:08 GMT
> Here in the UK we have five channels of TV ["terrestrial channels"]
> coming through our aerials, two of which are funded by licence fees not
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> Band Aid 20: a great attempt to reduce poverty in Africa, and I really
> appreciate the warring TV channels coming together to promote it.

Wow. That's pretty unusual (or would be here in the US). The only thing that
gets played simultaneously is CSI.
Sherry - 19 Nov 2004 05:53 GMT
>Wow. That's pretty unusual (or would be here in the US). The only thing that
>gets played simultaneously is CSI.

Do you watch CSI? I used to. I've found I can't watch it any more. It's become
so graphic it makes me physically sick. The only other TV show that makes me
sick is that one with the 2 ladies who go in and clean houses. Grosss. I had to
turn that one off too.

Sherry
Karen Chuplis - 19 Nov 2004 06:27 GMT
>> Wow. That's pretty unusual (or would be here in the US). The only thing that
>> gets played simultaneously is CSI.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Sherry

Yeah, I do. I don't watch Miami. It just isn't interesting but I watch the
other two. Vegas is still my favorite. It just seems the fullest. Some eps
are more graphic than others. Tonight was pretty bad, but it was really an
interesting episode. All about transgender. The most intersting part was the
end, when Gil is telling a friend of the murdered victim what happened and
she asks him what she can tell the parents (who were not on good terms with
the victim due to the changing of genders) and he replied, tell them about
the oysters. Apparently there is a species of oyster that has certain
members that can change gender at will (I think I've heard of other
creatures that can do this too, maybe insects?) and perhaps, humans were
meant to be able to do that too, but the ability mutated out, and our single
gender propensity could be a mutation. Sounds clumsy here, but in the
context of the show, I thought it really had impact and a lot of food for
thought. Of course, I'm in love with William Petersen, so that helps ;)
dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers - 19 Nov 2004 10:25 GMT
> Sounds clumsy here, but in the
>context of the show, I thought it really had impact and a lot of food for
>thought. Of course, I'm in love with William Petersen, so that helps ;)

According to my teenage son, Grisom is a grumpy geek, but Horatio is *seriously
kewl*

Cheers, helen s ;-)

--This is an invalid email address to avoid spam--
to get correct one remove fame & fortune
h*$el*$$e*nd**$o$ts**i*$*$m*m$o*n*s@$*a$o*l.c**$om$

--Due to financial crisis the light at the end of the tunnel is switched off--
Karen - 19 Nov 2004 20:29 GMT
> > Sounds clumsy here, but in the
> >context of the show, I thought it really had impact and a lot of food for
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Cheers, helen s ;-)

Well, I can see that from a teenage point of view :)
SUQKRT - 19 Nov 2004 18:59 GMT
>>> Wow. That's pretty unusual (or would be here in the US). The only thing
>that
[quoted text clipped - 31 lines]
>context of the show, I thought it really had impact and a lot of food for
>thought. Of course, I'm in love with William Petersen, so that helps ;)

I'm a big CSI(Las Vegas) fan yes its gross, but between the science and the
charactors its fascinating tv.
Suz
Macmoosette
Thank Heavens There's Only One
=^..^=   =^..^=   =^..^=   =^..^=  =^..^=  =^..^=

Waiting for inspiration. Please hold while I contemplate my navel.

|\__/|
(=':'=)
(")_(")
Howard Berkowitz - 19 Nov 2004 21:44 GMT
> >>> Wow. That's pretty unusual (or would be here in the US). The only
> >>> thing
[quoted text clipped - 41 lines]
> the
> charactors its fascinating tv.

I'm a little amused with NBC's attempted response to CSI, "Medical
Investigation". My girlfriend the psychologist (cognitive, not clinical)
advised me to stop watching it after two shows...she felt that I was
getting so annoyed over the fantastic variety and scope of errors that
it wouldn't be good for my blood pressure!

I will have to credit the great scientific line by the trainee in one
episode "Look! I found green glop!", followed by a junior physician
giving his sage observations on green glop.

In fairness, the clinical presentations of the diseases are internally
consistent, but the blundering and ignorance of the team epidemiologists
is surpassed only by the incompetence of the local physicians. In the
last one I saw, it was obvious, in about 2 or 3 minutes, that they had a
bunch of children suffering from an autoimmune disorder with at least
skin manifestations. Corticosteroids would have baen utterly basic, but
the local doctor explained her treatment as "warm soaks and pain
medicine."  For some obscure reason, in the middle of rampant idiocy,
one team member wandered in, cited detailed and relevant information
from nerve conduction studies, and then wandered off again.

The really sad thing is that this could have been a superb series if
they had actually based it on the real Epidemiological Intelligence
Service, the "medical detectives" out of the Centers for Disease Control
in Atlanta. They couldn't even get this right - they had the team as
part of NIH in the Washington area.

T
Jo Firey - 20 Nov 2004 01:36 GMT
"Howard Berkowitz" <hcb@gettcomm.com> wrote in message news:hcb-
> I'm a little amused with NBC's attempted response to CSI, "Medical
> Investigation". My girlfriend the psychologist (cognitive, not clinical)
> advised me to stop watching it after two shows...she felt that I was
> getting so annoyed over the fantastic variety and scope of errors that
> it wouldn't be good for my blood pressure!

I've been watching it in amused amazement.  I'm pretty sure I know what the
mission of the NIH is and this ain't it.

And have wondered more than once what you thought of the show.

The one set in the little remote West Virginia town hit most every
stereotype dead on.

I don't see how they are going to generate enough scripts for an entire
season.  Especially if they try to create a new version of Ebola or Anthrax
on an weekly basis.

Jo
Howard Berkowitz - 20 Nov 2004 05:49 GMT
> "Howard Berkowitz" <hcb@gettcomm.com> wrote in message news:hcb-
> > I'm a little amused with NBC's attempted response to CSI, "Medical
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> the
> mission of the NIH is and this ain't it.

The irony is that they'd have several years of scripts if they used the
actual reports of the Epidemiological Intelligence Service of the
Centers for Disease Control. The nonfiction book, _The Coming Plague_,
does an excellent job of covering both the science and drama of what the
real epidemiologists do.

Examples of real situations they solved, admittedly not in an hour,
include the Legionnaire's Disease outbreak in Philadelphia, the Sin
Nombre hantavirus outbreak in the American Southwest, a number of
episodes in Latin America,

> And have wondered more than once what you thought of the show.
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Anthrax
> on an weekly basis.

I subscribe to a daily epidemiology mailing list, PROmed, sponsored by
the International Society for Infectious Diseases with CDC/EIS
involvement. There are daily unexplained disease outbreaks, as well as
different presentations of anthrax, ebola, or other hot agents every
week or two. Some national organizations can deal with their local
crises, while others call for help. CDC is considered a world resource
by the World Health Organization.

There are only a few diagnostic labs in the world that can work at
Biosafety Level 4, where you find the largely untreatable, highly
infectious viruses (mostly hemorrhagic) such as Ebola/Marburg,
Crimea-Congo, dengue hemorrhagic fever, some hantaviruses, Lassa, and
others (Lassa can be treated). Anthrax is usually Level 3.

In other words, there is a huge body of real-world experience that could
lead to some very good scripts. "The Andromeda Strain" was fictional and
even a little dated, but things like "The Hot Zone" were reality based.
Not all Ebola strains transmit to humans, but there was a very, very
scary few days when a monkey research lab in the suburbs of Washington
DC had an outbreak -- which was not a human pathogen. There have also
been animal-only outbreaks in the Phillipines.

SARS seems mostly under control now, but there was worldwide effort
involved in having the Chinese open up their hospitals and records. The
SARS outbreak in Toronto turned out largely due to improper use of
respirators and other protective measures by healthcare workers - much
of SARS transmission has been through healthcare workers. It wouldn't
take much to turn the Toronto experience into a decent drama.
Yowie - 20 Nov 2004 00:00 GMT
> >>> Wow. That's pretty unusual (or would be here in the US). The only thing
> >that
[quoted text clipped - 34 lines]
> I'm a big CSI(Las Vegas) fan yes its gross, but between the science and the
> charactors its fascinating tv.

See, thats where I had to stop watching. The science is horrid! Sometimes
its very accurate, and sometimes its just crappy dramatics to get round an
otherwise awkward bit of the plot. If it were always crappy science, I could
turn the brain off and just watch, but when there is really good and really
bad thrown in together, it drives me nuts. Not every test for everythign
starts off with a clear colution or q-tip and when postive comes up a nice
magenta -t here are *lots* of other sorts of spot tests for things. Thats
simply phenolpthalein and that goes from clear to magenta at a pH of about
9, ie, when it hits something alkaline like a solution of cooking soda. The
other test they commonly use is something that turns blue when positive -
thats simply anhydrous copper sulphate that is clear or white when dry, but
turns a distinctive blue when wet.

See, thats the sort of stuff that drives me bonkers. If it was real forensic
science, I'd watch in rapt fascination. If it was just a drama with hokey
science, I'd watch because its a good drama, but with a mix of hokey science
and really genuine science, and I can't cope anymore.

Yowie
PS, sorry to destroy the illusion, folks.
Marina - 20 Nov 2004 04:32 GMT
> I'm a big CSI(Las Vegas) fan yes its gross, but between the science and the
> charactors its fascinating tv.

Sorry to disillusion you, Suz, but ever since I saw the one where they
claimed that the mark on the bone of a diabetic was from his injection
needle I've taken the science with a huge grain of salt. You would have
to literally be skin and bones to manage sticking the needle into the
bone, those needles are so short. They are meant to go just under the skin.

Signature

Marina, Frank and Nikki
marina (dot) kurten (at) pp (dot) inet (dot) fi
Pics at http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/frankiennikki/
and http://community.webshots.com/user/frankiennikki

SUQKRT - 20 Nov 2004 23:59 GMT
>> I'm a big CSI(Las Vegas) fan yes its gross, but between the science and
>the
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>to literally be skin and bones to manage sticking the needle into the
>bone, those needles are so short. They are meant to go just under the skin.

True, I know that the needles diabetics use are ver fine, but confess I didn't
think about it too much.
Suz
Macmoosette
Thank Heavens There's Only One
=^..^=   =^..^=   =^..^=   =^..^=  =^..^=  =^..^=

Waiting for inspiration. Please hold while I contemplate my navel.

|\__/|
(=':'=)
(")_(")
Ginger-lyn Summer - 19 Nov 2004 19:25 GMT
>Yeah, I do. I don't watch Miami. It just isn't interesting but I watch the
>other two. Vegas is still my favorite. It just seems the fullest. Some eps
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>context of the show, I thought it really had impact and a lot of food for
>thought. Of course, I'm in love with William Petersen, so that helps ;)

That was a very, very moving ending, and you described it very well,
Karen :-)

Ginger-lyn
dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers - 19 Nov 2004 10:24 GMT
>Do you watch CSI? I used to. I've found I can't watch it any more. It's
>become
>so graphic it makes me physically sick. The only other TV show that makes me
>sick is that one with the 2 ladies who go in and clean houses. Grosss. I had
>to
>turn that one off too.

In that case, never watch the UK sort of equivalent, one of which is "Waking
the Dead". An excellent series, but less glossy than CSI and with more detailed
plots.

See

http://www.bbc.co.uk/drama/crime/waking/

Then there's "Silent Witness" - again less glossy than CSI, but the plots are
more detailed.

On the other hand, as far as my teenage offspring is concerned, Horatio is *the
man* being *seriously kewl* ;-Þ

Cheers, helen s

--This is an invalid email address to avoid spam--
to get correct one remove fame & fortune
h*$el*$$e*nd**$o$ts**i*$*$m*m$o*n*s@$*a$o*l.c**$om$

--Due to financial crisis the light at the end of the tunnel is switched off--
Sherry - 19 Nov 2004 15:41 GMT
>In that case, never watch the UK sort of equivalent, one of which is "Waking
>the Dead". An excellent series, but less glossy than CSI and with more
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
>Cheers, helen s

I think the premise is fascinating, I just can't handle those sudden flashes to
discolored gaping wounds and instruments digging around in dead flesh. The
science is totally interesting. I just need a version censored for weenies. I
agree with your son, Horatio is seriously kewl, and I'd actually watch it for
that reason. But they don't give you a "SHUT YOUR EYES!!" warning on the icky
stuff. It just splashes on the screen!!

Sherry
Jo Firey - 19 Nov 2004 18:41 GMT
> >In that case, never watch the UK sort of equivalent, one of which is
> >"Waking
[quoted text clipped - 28 lines]
>
> Sherry

It was great when the show started.  The gor was limited to the title crime
scene variety.  They didn't seem to feel the need to take us through an
autopsy every week.  (That's medical examiner, not crime scene)

The Miami version is so much darker, and the NY darker still.  Plus I adore
Petersen and can't stand the lead guys on the other two.  (In the NY version
do they even have detective working the case?  or does the CSI guy do it
all?)

Jo
Jeanette - 19 Nov 2004 21:14 GMT
> > I think the premise is fascinating, I just can't handle those sudden
> > flashes to
> > discolored gaping wounds and instruments digging around in dead flesh.

I had a sudden dislocation of reality then, I thought you guys were still
talking about the Band Aid video, and thought about guitars when you said
'instruments'.

Jeanette
Sherry - 20 Nov 2004 03:02 GMT
>I had a sudden dislocation of reality then, I thought you guys were still
>talking about the Band Aid video, and thought about guitars when you said
>'instruments'.
>
>Jeanette

ROFL!!
SUQKRT - 19 Nov 2004 18:59 GMT
>>Do you watch CSI? I used to. I've found I can't watch it any more. It's
>>become
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
>http://www.bbc.co.uk/drama/crime/waking/

We get Waking the Dead on a channel called BBCAmerica. Actually its more like a
show called Cold Case that's on Sundays on CBS. I'm a forenics/cop show junky.
Suz
Macmoosette
Thank Heavens There's Only One
=^..^=   =^..^=   =^..^=   =^..^=  =^..^=  =^..^=

Waiting for inspiration. Please hold while I contemplate my navel.

|\__/|
(=':'=)
(")_(")
mlbriggs - 19 Nov 2004 17:00 GMT
>>Wow. That's pretty unusual (or would be here in the US). The only thing that
>>gets played simultaneously is CSI.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Sherry
I've watched CSI since it started.  I agree with you that it has become
too graphic.  It was
the same way with ER.  In the beginning it was interesting and somewhat
educational.  Then the writers got the idea that if something was good, a
lot of the same thing was better -- wrong!   Also, with "shock" language
-- it's a case of "monkey see -- monkey do".    MLB
Ginger-lyn Summer - 19 Nov 2004 19:29 GMT
>   Here in the UK we have five channels of TV ["terrestrial channels"]
>coming through our aerials, two of which are funded by licence fees not
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>   Band Aid 20: a great attempt to reduce poverty in Africa, and I really
>appreciate the warring TV channels coming together to promote it.

That is very cool.  I'm sorry the US apparently isn't bothering to do
anything anymore like this.  I remember the first Live Aid (I think
this is a similar thing yes?), way back in the '80s.  I think at least
part of it was broadcast on network TV, and maybe on more than one
channel, but I can't remember for sure.  I do remember in the wedding
invitations for my first marriage, we asked people to donate to Live
Aid.

Ginger-lyn
Stormin Mormon - 22 Nov 2004 06:05 GMT
Curing African poverty by raising money in the UK or US can be very useful
(if the locals down there are set up to feed themselves). Or useless if it
promotes dependence.

I've heard that much of the reason for poverty in Africa is that the warring
tribes do it to each other. And then they kill off the meddlesome aid
workers who are trying to feed group B. Which Group A wanted starved to
death, so group A kills aid workers.

Signature

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
    www.lds.org
    www.mormons.com

  Here in the UK we have five channels of TV ["terrestrial channels"]
coming through our aerials, two of which are funded by licence fees not
advertising.  Naturally they compete a lot.  Cable and satellite provide
lot more of course, and Sky our main satellite provider looks on Sky One
as its best channel.

  Tonight for ten minutes we had a unique experience: all five
terrestrial channels plus Sky One were identical, playing a new video!

  Band Aid 20: a great attempt to reduce poverty in Africa, and I really
appreciate the warring TV channels coming together to promote it.

Signature

David Stevenson              Storypage:  http://blakjak.com/sty_menu.htm
Liverpool, England, UK         <cat2@blakjak.com>         Emails welcome
Nanki Poo: SI O+W B 11 Y L+ W++ C+ I T+ A- E H++ V- F Q P+ B+ PA+ PL SC
Minke: SI W+Cp B 2 Y L W+ C++ I T A- E H++ V++ F- Q- P B PA+ PL+ SC-

Cheryl Perkins - 22 Nov 2004 11:56 GMT
> Curing African poverty by raising money in the UK or US can be very useful
> (if the locals down there are set up to feed themselves). Or useless if it
> promotes dependence.

> I've heard that much of the reason for poverty in Africa is that the warring
> tribes do it to each other. And then they kill off the meddlesome aid
> workers who are trying to feed group B. Which Group A wanted starved to
> death, so group A kills aid workers.

Well, 'much' doesn't mean a whole lot. Sure, there are many wars in
Africa. They are often a result of colonialism and the artificial
boundarys drawn, especially those in the settlement after WW I. That may
or may not mean much today to westerners, depending on your opinion on how
much responsibilities the descendants of those who drew the boundaries
have today. And aid workers usually had a free pass in such wars; that's
why the killings in Iraq are so shocking to those in the field. Until very
recently, aid workers were active except right in the heat of the
fighting, and some aid groups even specialized in sending people to those
places. Other common causes include economic systems which are often very
badly skewed towards producing cheap export crops - coffee, cocoa, etc. -
often at the expense of growing food to feed the local people. Then you
get fights over what the best approach is to solve this problem - the IMF,
which can control access to money, often takes a free market approach,
which can cause devastating poverty in the short term and increase the
already large divisions between rich and poor in developing countries. But
the local governments are not rich enough to provide a saftey net for the
poor - and tend to be either extremely oppressive or unstable in order to
deal with the problems caused by extreme disparity in wealth among their
citizens. These problems are often worsened if there is obvious corruption
among the rich and powerful, and, as so often happens, often for historic
reasons, the rich and powerful mostly belong to a different ethnic group
than the poor and weak. (See above about the artifical boundaries that
often combined rival ethnic groups into one country.) Then you get foreign
aid. Sometimes aid is provided by people who simply want to help provide
food or medical care for the poor because their moral beliefs tell them to
help the less fortunate. But when countries get into it, so do politics.
People in many countries think their governments give far more, and far
more effective aid than in fact they do. Governments sometimes provide aid
only to the countries or factions they support politically. Or they
provide types of aid which support the donor country's economic ideas -
for example, supporting megaprojects like dams to try to start an
industrial economy rather than small projects like village wells which
support the present economy (and I should mention the influence of
urbanization...). Or they give and take - they give tied aid, which must
be spent on, let's say, not the cheapest or best tractors for the
receiving country, but tractors manufactured in the donor country. So much
of the money spent on aid is not used wisely, and a lot doesn't even reach
the donor country.

Poverty in Africa (and in much of the world) is a big, complex issue, and
wars are only part of the reason. In some cases, the wars are the result,
not the cause - as when one ethnic group fights another over scarce wealth
or resources.

I should have labelled this a rant. I could also go on and on, but I'll
stop now.

Signature

Cheryl

Kreisleriana - 22 Nov 2004 13:54 GMT
>> Curing African poverty by raising money in the UK or US can be very useful
>> (if the locals down there are set up to feed themselves). Or useless if it
[quoted text clipped - 52 lines]
>I should have labelled this a rant. I could also go on and on, but I'll
>stop now.

But I thank you.  You saved me the trouble.

Theresa
Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh
My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com
Marina - 22 Nov 2004 16:57 GMT
>>>Curing African poverty by raising money in the UK or US can be very useful
>>>(if the locals down there are set up to feed themselves). Or useless if it
[quoted text clipped - 54 lines]
>
> But I thank you.  You saved me the trouble.

Yes. Very good post.

Signature

Marina, Frank and Nikki
marina (dot) kurten (at) pp (dot) inet (dot) fi
Pics at http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/frankiennikki/
and http://community.webshots.com/user/frankiennikki

Yowie - 23 Nov 2004 02:20 GMT
> > Curing African poverty by raising money in the UK or US can be very useful
> > (if the locals down there are set up to feed themselves). Or useless if it
[quoted text clipped - 52 lines]
> I should have labelled this a rant. I could also go on and on, but I'll
> stop now.

Excellent and succinct summary of the complexities of social issues.

While we may not be sure whether our offering of assistance are of any real
help, we can be very sure that doing nothing will change nothing.

Yowie
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 23 Nov 2004 03:58 GMT
> Well, 'much' doesn't mean a whole lot. Sure, there are many wars in
> Africa. They are often a result of colonialism and the artificial
> boundarys drawn...

Cheryl,

Thanks for a very intelligent, thoughtful, and knowledgeable post. It was
very illuminating reading.

Joyce
 
Sign In
Join
My Latest Posts
My Monitored Threads
My Blog
My Photo Gallery
My Profile
My Homepage

Start New Thread
Enable EMail Alerts
Rate this Thread



©2008 Advenet LLC   Privacy Policy - Terms of Use
This website includes both content owned or controlled by Advenet as well as content owned or controlled by third parties.