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bastXXXette@sonic.net - 26 Dec 2007 21:39 GMT My next-door neighbor has been on a drunken binge for the past 3 days. I live in an apartment building - a smallish one, 4 units, two upstairs, two downstairs. I'm in one of the upstairs ones, and he is in the other. He lives with a female partner (don't know if they're legally married) and their two cats.
They aren't sociable people, but they've always been very polite and neighborly. In particular, the guy has shown a lot of concern about Smudge when she's had her various escapades. Their two cats appear to be healthy and, while a bit shy, certainly not terrorized or seeming to be victims of abuse.
A couple of days ago, I woke up to loud banging, but by the time I'd hauled my groggy butt out of bed, it had stopped. While I was making breakfast, I heard more banging outside the back door - I opened it to find my female neighbor outside trying to get in. She said, "The doofus is drunk, and locked the screen door, and now I can't get in." That was the first clue I had of what was to come.
Later, I was on my front balcony, painting some shelves, when I heard the guy ranting and raving. It was coherent but still bizarre, all about religion and politics, as far as I could tell. It didn't seem like he was yelling at the woman. Occasionally I'd hear banging. He was clearly in a rage. This went on for hours, and continued until late at night.
Then yesterday, same thing. I left the house in the early afternoon, and didn't come home until late, so didn't have to deal with much of it, but it was still going on sporadically. And I was woken up in the middle of the night a couple of times by the banging and crashing. (Sometimes it sounded like he was pounding something at regular intervals with his fist, and other times, it sounded like he was throwing or knocking over heavy objects that would crash loudly and shake the house.)
Today it's quiet. Maybe he's sobering up and has a hangover, or maybe he went to work. She is home - I saw her earlier. (I had let Smudge out and Smudge went over to their door - the front door was open but the screen door was shut, so she peered in to annoy their cats. I could hear the neighbor cat meowing, which tells me that their cats are, at least, OK.) When my (female) neighbor saw Smudge, she came outside onto the balcony, and we had a brief conversation. She didn't look hurt or particularly traumatized, so at first glance, it doesn't seem as though her partner is abusing *her*. I wanted to ask if she was OK, but to be honest, I'm *afraid* to get involved because I live alone and I feel vulnerable. However, I plan to talk to my other neighbors and I will see what they think.
My kitties were unnerved by all the noise. Licky kept running under the bed and just looking like he was about to bolt any second. Roxy has come up to me a number of times looking for reassurance. Smudge seems mostly unperturbed, but occasionally would get startled. She is easily calmed by some petting and "it's OK, Smudgie." Now who is going to calm me??
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Karen - 26 Dec 2007 22:43 GMT I would have called the police. I"m sorry but that is disturbing the peace.
> My next-door neighbor has been on a drunken binge for the past 3 > days. I live in an apartment building - a smallish one, 4 units, two [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > > Joyce MatSav - 26 Dec 2007 23:13 GMT > My next-door neighbor has been on a drunken binge for the past > 3 > days. ...
> My kitties were unnerved by all the noise. ... ...Smudge > seems mostly unperturbed, but occasionally would get startled. > She is > easily calmed by some petting and "it's OK, Smudgie." Now who > is going > to calm me?? WE are, friends on this group, with the power of purr. Soothing purrs on their way. Distance is no barrier to the power of purr.
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Monique Y. Mudama - 27 Dec 2007 00:13 GMT > Today it's quiet. Maybe he's sobering up and has a hangover, or > maybe he went to work. Wow. Purrs for everyone involved -- yes, even this guy, since he must be deeply troubled by *something*.
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bastXXXette@sonic.net - 27 Dec 2007 00:17 GMT > > Today it's quiet. Maybe he's sobering up and has a hangover, or > > maybe he went to work.
> Wow. Purrs for everyone involved -- yes, even this guy, since he must > be deeply troubled by *something*. Well, yeah. Nobody becomes a raging drunk becuase they're happy, do they? It would be a lot easier for me to have compassion at a bit more of a distance, though. :-/
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Monique Y. Mudama - 27 Dec 2007 00:30 GMT > > > Today it's quiet. Maybe he's sobering up and has a hangover, or > > > maybe he went to work. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > they? It would be a lot easier for me to have compassion at a bit > more of a distance, though. :-/ No doubt! Much easier here from the luxury of my desk. I would be a trembling mess if all that noise were happening near me, I think -- I don't handle others' expressions of raw anger very well.
At least it sounds like he didn't hurt any living creature while on his tear? I hope that's the case.
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bastXXXette@sonic.net - 27 Dec 2007 01:43 GMT > No doubt! Much easier here from the luxury of my desk. I would be a > trembling mess if all that noise were happening near me, I think -- I > don't handle others' expressions of raw anger very well.
> At least it sounds like he didn't hurt any living creature while on > his tear? I hope that's the case. Seems that way. But there's still a bit of banging going on. It's not carpentry or anything like that. It's much more random. Plus, the occasional yelling is a clue.
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EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 27 Dec 2007 03:14 GMT > > On 2007-12-26, bastXXXette@sonic.net penned: > > > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > they? It would be a lot easier for me to have compassion at a bit more > of a distance, though. :-/ Compassion be damned! You have a right to expect reasonable peace and quiet in the sanctuary of your own home. Sure, people have "domestic disputes" from time to time, but when they are not just momentary tiffs, and infringe upon the rights of their neighbors, forget "compassion" and call the police! His wife/partner may feel she has to put up with it, but YOU certainly don't!
Monique Y. Mudama - 27 Dec 2007 04:31 GMT >> > On 2007-12-26, bastXXXette@sonic.net penned: >> > > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > forget "compassion" and call the police! His wife/partner may feel > she has to put up with it, but YOU certainly don't! Sure ... why not feel compassion and still call the police? I don't think they're opposing actions.
But I think Joyce mentioned that the consequences of involving the police might be worse than suffering through the current mess.
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Shiral - 27 Dec 2007 00:35 GMT On Dec 26, 1:39 pm, bastXXXe...@sonic.net wrote:
> My next-door neighbor has been on a drunken binge for the past 3 > days. I live in an apartment building - a smallish one, 4 units, two [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > -- > To send email to this address, remove the triple-X from my user name. I'm sorry you had such a stressful Christmas, Joyce. Not fun to be the captive audience of someone else's alcoholic emotional melt-down. I have to admit, that if I'd been there, I'd have done what Karen recommended and called the police. Both for your sake, the woman's sake and even the drunken neighbor's sake--maybe he'd have dried out a few hours earlier if he'd realized how disturbing it actually was to his neighbors. The police have more experience dealing with loud and obstreporous drunks, and even if he hadn't dried out, at least you wouldn't have had to listen to the whole thing.
Melissa
bastXXXette@sonic.net - 27 Dec 2007 01:44 GMT > I'm sorry you had such a stressful Christmas, Joyce. Not fun to be the > captive audience of someone else's alcoholic emotional melt-down. I [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > obstreporous drunks, and even if he hadn't dried out, at least you > wouldn't have had to listen to the whole thing. I know that was an option, but I was kind of chickensh*t to call - I didn't want them to know it was me and retaliate later.
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Shiral - 27 Dec 2007 06:11 GMT On Dec 26, 5:44 pm, bastXXXe...@sonic.net wrote:
> > I'm sorry you had such a stressful Christmas, Joyce. Not fun to be the > > captive audience of someone else's alcoholic emotional melt-down. I [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > -- > To send email to this address, remove the triple-X from my user name. I can understand being scared of that, yeah. I've had some noisy neighbors, too. The couple who live above me often have shouting matches laced with four-letter words. They rarely last more than fifteen minutes to a half hour though. I definitely wouldn't put up with it from them for two days! Maybe you're more patient than I am. But it's too bad this guy even stressed out the cats.
Melissa
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 27 Dec 2007 03:06 GMT > My next-door neighbor has been on a drunken binge for the past 3 > days. <snip>
> Later, I was on my front balcony, painting some shelves, when I heard > the guy ranting and raving. It was coherent but still bizarre, all > about religion and politics, as far as I could tell. It didn't seem like > he was yelling at the woman. Occasionally I'd hear banging. He was clearly > in a rage. This went on for hours, and continued until late at night. I'm astonished at your patience! Long before it reached that point, I would have had the police paying him a visit (more than one, if the first call had no effect). If he's disturbing your peace, "drunk and disorderly" isn't a charge confined to public places, you know. We all like to get along with our neighbors, but that's a two-way street - it requires mutual consideration of each other's rights. Whatever set him off, it doesn't sound as though a "polite" request would do much good, so perhaps a "police" request will be more effective.
Marina - 27 Dec 2007 05:34 GMT > My kitties were unnerved by all the noise. Licky kept running under > the bed and just looking like he was about to bolt any second. Roxy > has come up to me a number of times looking for reassurance. Smudge > seems mostly unperturbed, but occasionally would get startled. She is > easily calmed by some petting and "it's OK, Smudgie." Now who is going > to calm me?? We will. <pat-pat-pat> It's OK, Joycie. Sending lots of calming purrs, both to your household and that of your neighbour.
Where I lived before moving here, I had downstairs neighbours (an older couple) who went on a binge every so often. Sometimes I would wake up in the middle of the night at the terrible screams of the wife - not frightened screams, mind, but enraged screams. She would go on screaming abuse at her husband (?) at the top of her lungs. It made my skin crawl. I'm glad I found a much nicer place to live.
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Daniel Mahoney - 28 Dec 2007 18:04 GMT > Where I lived before moving here, I had downstairs neighbours (an older > couple) who went on a binge every so often. Sometimes I would wake up in > the middle of the night at the terrible screams of the wife - not > frightened screams, mind, but enraged screams. She would go on screaming > abuse at her husband (?) at the top of her lungs. It made my skin crawl. > I'm glad I found a much nicer place to live. Sounds like our last place. We were in an "apartment complex" that consisted of two duplex facing each other across a narrow courtyard. The guy living directly across from us used to yell and scream at his wife and kids all the time. We never heard anything suggesting that he was getting physically violent, but the yelling was hard enough to listen to.
What really bothered us, though, was the frequent gunshots. We could hear gunfire within a couple blocks of us more nights than not. Fortunately we almost never heard them coming from any closer than a block away. Even the stuff from a couple blocks away, though, resulted in us bringing the kitties in for the night.
What I remember most about southern CA is that the city were adjacent to, San Bernardino, averaged just over one murder per week for 2006. I believe I have heard of 5 in the entire state of Iowa during the 8 months we've been here.
hopitus - 28 Dec 2007 21:23 GMT > > Where I lived before moving here, I had downstairs neighbours (an older > > couple) who went on a binge every so often. Sometimes I would wake up in [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > I have heard of 5 in the entire state of Iowa during the 8 months we've > been here. ROFL..Dan, sorry I didn't get to meet you at that Flying J truck stop several years ago...had just moved here and had no clue where anything was around MileHigh at that time. Where I used to live, south FL,, is coastal population tightly knit all the way up the eastern coastline from below Miami all the way up the line to the GA state line....MileHigh is not like that at all...wilderness abounds - flat farm plains to the east, Rockies closeby to west. It was easy to learn where everything is, so small an area, but when you rolled through that time I was knowing nothing except where the nearest vet office was here. Glad you're in such peaceful surroundings now. MileHigh is a tough town; a week doesn't go by w/o several drive-by shootings reported and other violence which I find very strange in a city that believe it or not has no real "slums" per se. In Miami, you know pronto when you enter a bad-a** 'hood; not here...the drivel-bys go on all over the place(!). But people are wierd: none of us ski at all and my closest relatives here *love* this place, winters and all. If you want to know something funny, I don't mind the crime potential, it's these winters that make me wish I was back on a beach somewhere looking at the green Atlantic.
Yowie - 27 Dec 2007 09:44 GMT > My next-door neighbor has been on a drunken binge for the past 3 > days. I live in an apartment building - a smallish one, 4 units, two [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > and other times, it sounded like he was throwing or knocking over heavy > objects that would crash loudly and shake the house.) He's not trying to do home improvements, is he? That always leaves me ranting and raving in incoherant anger :-)
> Today it's quiet. Maybe he's sobering up and has a hangover, or maybe > he went to work. She is home - I saw her earlier. (I had let Smudge out [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > easily calmed by some petting and "it's OK, Smudgie." Now who is going > to calm me?? First and foremost, calming purrs for both you & your kitties.
Second: is the first time its happened?
If its the first time its happened, and no-one is under any sort of physical threat, then I'd be tempted to let it go as "one of those things". You don't know what has happened in their - his - life recently, and it could may have happened for perfectly legitimate reasons.
And whilst the Holidays brings out the best in people, it brings out the very worst in others, its just a stressful time all round. He *could* be ranting and raving about a relative who has treated him very unfairly over the holidays, or been horrible to him, or he's been fired or found out some really bad news just as the holidays arrived and is letting it out in the only way he knows how.
If his partner doens't have that afraid look, and anyone who has seen a victim of continued domestic abuse would know that look - and it doesn't *sound* like a "domestic" situation (and the cats are fine), then its simply a *noise* and really none of anyone's business what the noise is actually about.
I'd be having a chat to the apartment manager about noise levels, rather than getting the police involved straight away. If it is perchance just a reaction to a really stressful situation, having the cops show up *will not help* but only add to his stress/breakdown.
Havign a chat with the neighbours is probably a good idea though, perhaps one of the neighbours knows them a little better and would be better placed to diffuse the situation.
If it becomes an on-going thing, and the apartment manager having a word to them both doesn't work, then a formal letter of complaint *about the noise* (not about anything else - its none of your business) is the next weapon, prefferrably signed by all the neighbours effected and/or the tenants/owners association.
I'd only call the cops if your life is being unduly disturbed by a continual racket when asking politely and then officially has been ignored, not for a 'one off'.
In the mean time, keep a diary of it. It can be used as evidence if you need to back up your claim that their noise is disturbing your right to peaceful living rather than just being a 'Whinging Wendy'.
IANAL, and YMMV
Yowie
bastXXXette@sonic.net - 27 Dec 2007 11:28 GMT > He's not trying to do home improvements, is he? That always leaves me > ranting and raving in incoherant anger :-) It's definitely not renovations.
> First and foremost, calming purrs for both you & your kitties. Thank you!
> Second: is the first time its happened? Yes.
> If its the first time its happened, and no-one is under any sort of physical > threat, then I'd be tempted to let it go as "one of those things". You don't > know what has happened in their - his - life recently, and it could may have > happened for perfectly legitimate reasons. I'm sure that whatever brought this on was probably stressful, but in my first post, I didn't go into the *content* of the ranting and raving, some of which I was able to hear. And it was stuff like, "Your religion SUCKS! You should all be shot! You should all die! DIE! DIE! ... " etc. I have *no* idea who or what he was ranting at, but it sounded pretty aggressive to me.
However, your point is well taken to let it go this time. People behave in pretty bizarre ways when extremely drunk. It's pretty quiet tonight, at least.
Thanks for your suggestions,
Joyce
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Yowie - 27 Dec 2007 11:53 GMT > > He's not trying to do home improvements, is he? That always leaves me > > ranting and raving in incoherant anger :-) [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > *no* idea who or what he was ranting at, but it sounded pretty aggressive > to me. Dunno if you have a religious nut in your family, but I have one in mine. He would just about *die* if he found out that I was anything other than a god-fearing born again pentecostal hallelujah Christian. Everyone in the family knows *not to bring it up* if we have to be together, and unless he gets into one of his religious rants, he's actually not such a bad guy (as long as we say grace & go through the motions a bit, all is well - usually).
But I can imagine at Christmas time... with the family all together.. and someone sayign the wrong thing at the wrong time... it would lead to a very agressive and nasty discussion... and would leave me wanting to get horribly horribly drunk and probably quite capable fo saying those very words above. My relative can be *exceptionally* judgemental and harsh, self righteous and preachy and thinks he has God's direct (and only) line, and anyone wo has even a slighlty differing opinion is WRONG (and he will happily tell you so). I"m lucky I don't see this person alot, but has been touchpaper in the room when he's in one of his 'moods' and yup, I can sympathise with your neighbour if he happens to be the one who has an opnion that is in 180 degree disagreeemnt with a room that is otherwise full of - shall we say - 'strongly opinionated' people and has to play 'nice' with them for Christmas. Like putting a staunch feminist at a pro-life prayer vigil or Rush Limbaugh at the Socialist's annual social occasion and asking htem to 'all get along' because its a 'special day'.
> However, your point is well taken to let it go this time. People behave in > pretty bizarre ways when extremely drunk. It's pretty quiet tonight, at > least. I'm glad. I can imagine it woudl be very unpleasant and nerve racking to listen to.
Yowie
hopitus - 27 Dec 2007 23:20 GMT > <bastXXXe...@sonic.net> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 59 lines] > > Yowie Yowie has a clue! Here is Hopitus' opinion - I agree with Yowie that simply because of the *size* of the quadriplex apt. setup, it could possibly trigger *some* sort of retaliation from Happy Boy, who would not need to be a rocket scientist to figure out source of who called the law on him. Maybe Joyce has led a more sheltered life than I have. I've lived in lots of rowdy 'hoods; even in fantastic yuppie ones in USA do folks historically get roaring drunk *on Christmas* and *on New Years Eve*. Duh...nothing odd to me why Happy Boy got loaded the other day/night. Maybe he's an alcoholic and you know how ethanol affects them...also doesn't stop many alcoholics from engaging in this less-than-great holiday pastime. I also like Yowie's suggestion re the apt. management'\ complaint....surely if things were that loud, Joyce is not likely to be the only one in 'hood who heard the ongoing racket, is she? What I would do is what I've always done: ignore this unneighborly behavior dudring the religious holiday just passed and *get ready* (buy earplugs, LOL) for next Tuesday....when it might be a lot worse. I haven't drunk alcohol for years due to my health but having come from a less than upscale background perhaps I have more tolerance for this kinda thing. Yeah, I have neighbors I don't like, but it has nil to do with their holiday *celebrating* noise, ROFLMAO.
bastXXXette@sonic.net - 28 Dec 2007 01:40 GMT > Maybe Joyce has led a more sheltered life than I have. > I've lived in lots of rowdy 'hoods; even in fantastic yuppie > ones in USA do folks historically get roaring drunk *on > Christmas* and *on New Years Eve*. Duh...nothing odd > to me why Happy Boy got loaded the other day/night. One thing I didn't mention, because it was upsetting to me, was that his "anti-religion" rant was anti-Semitic. Since I didn't know this was an issue with him previously, I found that very disturbing. The things you find out about people when they lose their inhibitions and start ranting.
I'm not that sheltered. It's not like I haven't been around drunks before. And in terms of bothersome noise, I've had to deal with much worse than this - such as the band that practiced every single weekend in the apartment below me, with the bass so loud my floor vibrated. (And they played the same stupid bass line over and over and over...) Or the guy who used to turn on his stereo, put on disco records (this was the 70s), and then *go out for the evening* - which for him meant out until 3AM... and I do mean very loud. I had to get up at 7 to go to work. By comparison, this noise wasn't such a big deal.
If it hadn't been for (1) the intense vitriol in the rant, and (2) the anti-Semitic content (among other stuff), I wouldn't have cared about it that much. I would have figured that the guy was in trouble with his addiction, and would've hoped he got help soon. At least he doesn't smoke, so I don't have to worry that he'll burn the house down.
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hopitus - 28 Dec 2007 02:39 GMT On Dec 27, 6:40 pm, bastXXXe...@sonic.net wrote:
> > Maybe Joyce has led a more sheltered life than I have. > > I've lived in lots of rowdy 'hoods; even in fantastic yuppie [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > things you find out about people when they lose their inhibitions and > start ranting. Well I wish you had mentioned it....Happy Boy is just a jerk. I hate anti-semitics How cool would it be if your landlord is also one of the "chosen people" as we are? LOL.
> I'm not that sheltered. It's not like I haven't been around drunks > before. And in terms of bothersome noise, I've had to deal with [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > his addiction, and would've hoped he got help soon. At least he doesn't > smoke, so I don't have to worry that he'll burn the house down. ROFLMAO! i have an idea...if Happy Boy starts again during Auld Lang Syne why don't you borrow a recorder from someone and everytime he starts a rant, get it all down. Then we can think of something mean to do with it, hee hee.
> Joyce > -- > To send email to this address, remove the triple-X from my user name. bastXXXette@sonic.net - 28 Dec 2007 09:16 GMT > i have an idea...if Happy Boy starts again during Auld Lang Syne why > don't you borrow a recorder from someone and everytime he starts a > rant, get it all down. Then we can think of something mean to do with > it, hee hee. LOL!
He seemed pretty far gone, I'll bet he doesn't even remember most of it.
You're right that I would have to borrow a tape recorder.
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Lesley - 28 Dec 2007 21:51 GMT On Dec 27, 5:40 pm, bastXXXe...@sonic.net wrote: Or the guy who used to turn on his stereo, put on disco
> records (this was the 70s), and then *go out for the evening* - which > for him meant out until 3AM... and I do mean very loud. I I am shuddering at the memory that brought to my mind....a good few years ago, our neighbour downsatirs had her sister over from Sweden and one night, she and her partner decided to go out and this left sister alone in the flat but she had other ideas for the evening but she was worried about burglary so she hit on a brilliant idea! She switched the CD on, turned it up to the max, popped a disc in and went out leaving it on "repeat".
I had to start a new job the next day so you can imagine how delighted I was to be blasted with Level 42's greatest hits, very loud and on repeat!!!
The neighbours came back at 3am to find me...wearing nothing more than a dressing gown standing in the hallway while Dave who was wearing nothing at all was coming down the stairs with a stepladder- we were about to pull the fuse~(our fuseboxes are well high on the wall hence the stepladder) on their flat
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Jack Campin - bogus address - 07 Jan 2008 09:31 GMT > If it hadn't been for (1) the intense vitriol in the rant, and (2) the > anti-Semitic content (among other stuff), I wouldn't have cared about > it that much. I would have figured that the guy was in trouble with > his addiction, and would've hoped he got help soon. At least he doesn't > smoke, so I don't have to worry that he'll burn the house down. One possibility is that he may be having a manic episode and self-medicating for it. If so, it'll have happened before and his partner will know whether calling the police helps (she'll have done it).
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bastXXXette@sonic.net - 07 Jan 2008 18:54 GMT > One possibility is that he may be having a manic episode and > self-medicating for it. If so, it'll have happened before and > his partner will know whether calling the police helps (she'll > have done it). This occurred to me, too. It sounded to me like more was going on than just the drinking. Although some people seem to have a Mr. Hyde personality that comes out only with alcohol, so I don't rule that out completely.
In any case, I meant to post this update, so thanks for the reminder. On Dec. 31, I found a bag of goodies on my doorstep with a note from this neighbor, apologizing profusely for his outburst and assuring me that he was taking this episode seriously. I'm not sure what that means exactly, but I hope it means he's getting help. In any case, I'm glad he cares about having a good relationship with the rest of us, because I hate living in a place where where neighbors don't get along.
Thanks for all the support & feedback.
Joyce
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