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Ginger-lyn Summer - 17 Nov 2004 18:45 GMT
You all know how gut-wrenchingly nervous you are when a kitty is sick.
It has been a long week for us here with that feeling.

Sabra started refusing food and vomiting last week.  He's our
15-year-old cat with asthma who has been on Prednisone to control the
asthma for some eight years or so.  We thought at first "hairball!" of
course, and gave him a course of hairball meds, but it wasn't working.
So off to the vet he goes.

I opted to get some bloodwork run, even though I had to take the funds
out of my dental fund (almost two years and *still* waiting for this
dental work!).  To my joy, the bloodwork came back "amazingly normal"
in the vet's words.  No indication of kidney or liver failure.

We still don't know what's wrong.  I've been giving him Hill's A/D,
and with coaching, he is eating some of that.  He's also getting some
kao-pectin to ease his stomach.  We're thinking he may have eaten
something he shouldn't, and it's working its way through his system.
If he does better today at eating on his own, we'll know if he passed
something through (crossing my fingers).  He seems to be pretty
happy/normal today so far.

Being a cat mom is going to give me an ulcer one of these days!

Ginger-lyn
Margaret Fine - 17 Nov 2004 19:28 GMT
> You all know how gut-wrenchingly nervous you are when a kitty is sick.
> It has been a long week for us here with that feeling.
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>
> Ginger-lyn

I'll probably get flammed for this but sometimes I think it is harder
being a cat or dog Mom than with a human child after a certain age.
Especially when they are sick.  Once they can start to talk kids can say
"I hurt here"  or say "Why yes, I did eat some dirt outside" when
questioned.  With our furry kids it is all guess work 99% of the time.
I can imagine how you feel after going thru the mystery illness with our
dog a few weeks back.  Purrs and hugs for both of you!

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Yoj - 17 Nov 2004 21:52 GMT
> > You all know how gut-wrenchingly nervous you are when a kitty is sick.
> > It has been a long week for us here with that feeling.
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> Margaret Fine
> mefine@mindspring.com

Yes, kids *can* tell you things, and sometimes they even do.  OTOH, I
can remember when I was 9 years old.  I had a bad earache, but I didn't
say anything to my mother because she was planning to take my brother
and me to a movie.  I rationalized that I didn't want her to miss the
movie.  We saw "Dumbo" and "Bambi".

By the time I told my mother about the earache, the infection was really
serious.  I ended up in the hospital with a mastoid infection.  Luckily,
this was just after penicillin had been released for civilian use (near
the end of WW II).  Otherwise, I'd have needed highly risky surgery.

Joy
Marina - 17 Nov 2004 19:35 GMT
> Being a cat mom is going to give me an ulcer one of these days!

Lots of purrs to Sabra and to you. I know how it feels. Frank will soon
be 17, and I watch him like a hawk for any signs of distress.

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Bob M - 17 Nov 2004 20:02 GMT
> You all know how gut-wrenchingly nervous you are when a kitty is sick.
> It has been a long week for us here with that feeling.
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>
> Ginger-lyn

My older cat Psycho is a barfer. I've had her checked out by the vet
and she's healthy as a horse. (She's 13) But every 3 days like clockwork
she barfs. Sometimes it's a hairball and other times it's nothing but
brownish liquid. No amount of hairball medicine helps her. I went out
and bought me a portable carpet cleaner and have come to the conclusion
that I'll just have to clean the spots every 3 days. Why she can't use
the tiled floor I'll never know. It's always on the carpet.

 Bob
Cheryl Perkins - 17 Nov 2004 23:39 GMT
>  My older cat Psycho is a barfer. I've had her checked out by the vet
> and she's healthy as a horse. (She's 13) But every 3 days like clockwork
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> that I'll just have to clean the spots every 3 days. Why she can't use
> the tiled floor I'll never know. It's always on the carpet.

I got one like that. One of the vets who pronounced her healthy said she's
a 'chronic vomiter' which seems to mean she vomits a lot, which I already
knew! Sometimes there's a hairball and sometimes it's the inevitable
result of gobbling up some especially delicious food a bit faster than her
stomach can take. But even if she gets hairball stuff and only the
regular, boring dry cat food, she hurks. Not on a three day schedule, but
definitely more frequently than normal, and far more than Betsy. I have
never caught Betsy hurking up so much as a hairball. She can eat anything,
and once she eats it, it stays down.

Mandy is another story. And you're right about the carpet. She infinitely
prefers to hurk on the carpet rather than on the kitchen or bathroom
floors, although she will sometimes abandon the carpet for the
windowsills or even, once in a long while, a book carelessly left on a
table.

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Cheryl - 18 Nov 2004 02:47 GMT
> My older cat Psycho is a barfer. I've had her checked out by the
> vet and she's healthy as a horse. (She's 13) But every 3 days
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> clean the spots every 3 days. Why she can't use the tiled floor
> I'll never know. It's always on the carpet.

Shadow was always a barfer. I hate to be a downer, but once he was
diagnosed with IBD and had medication for it, he rarely barfed up
until the end. I don't think barfing is ever benign. I think
regular barfing is either an intolerance to food, chemicals in
water (if tap), stress, eating too quickly, too much fur in the
system that isn't tolerated, inflammation. Also, from experience,
barfed brown liquid can be blood from deep in the gut.

Anti-barfing purrs to Psycho.

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Karen - 17 Nov 2004 20:23 GMT
Please keep us posted. Pearl has mysterious vomiting too, although it does
not keep her from eating. In fact, I just found some in the cat box and so I
know it is her, because often she will run there when she has to vomit. I
think she equates "that funny feeling" with needing to go to the bathroom.

> You all know how gut-wrenchingly nervous you are when a kitty is sick.
> It has been a long week for us here with that feeling.
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>
> Ginger-lyn
O J - 17 Nov 2004 20:56 GMT
---------------------<snip>----------------------
>To my joy, the bloodwork came back "amazingly normal"
>in the vet's words.  No indication of kidney or liver failure.
---------------------<snip>----------------------

Well, that's a start.  Now we'll start sending healing purrs, both for
Sabra and for her meowmie's frazzled nerves.

Regards and Purrs,
O J
Julie Cook - 17 Nov 2004 21:36 GMT
> You all know how gut-wrenchingly nervous you are when a kitty is sick.
> It has been a long week for us here with that feeling.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> course, and gave him a course of hairball meds, but it wasn't working.
> So off to the vet he goes.

Poor baby. I'm glad his bloodwork came back ok but hope you can find
what is causing the problem or that the problem goes away and never
returns.  In addition to feel better purrs and headbutts I'm sending
sympathy thoughts to you as well.  Sam seems to have more trouble with
hairball issues than any of our other cats.  This morning in the wee
hours when I was still asleep I was awakened by the universal hack-hack
sound coming from beside me in bed.  In my sleep I sort of remember
saying, "Please not on the bed, Sam" and gently pushing him off the bed.
 I forgot all about it until I woke up and stepped in it this morning
(sigh).  Anyhow, purrs, headbutts and healing thoughts on the way for
both Sabra and you.

Julie, Hobbes, Selena, Lacey and Sam
Yoj - 17 Nov 2004 21:49 GMT
Yes, it's as bad as being a kid mom.  They both can scare the living
daylights out of you, and often do.

Purrs that Sabra just keeps on getting better - and cheers that his
blood work was normal!

Joy

> You all know how gut-wrenchingly nervous you are when a kitty is sick.
> It has been a long week for us here with that feeling.
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>
> Ginger-lyn
polonca12000 - 17 Nov 2004 22:25 GMT
Lots of purrs and best wishes for Sabra to recover completely and soon from
whatever is ailing him,
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> You all know how gut-wrenchingly nervous you are when a kitty is sick.
> It has been a long week for us here with that feeling.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> course, and gave him a course of hairball meds, but it wasn't working.
> So off to the vet he goes.
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jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 17 Nov 2004 23:59 GMT
> Sabra started refusing food and vomiting last week.  He's our
> 15-year-old cat with asthma who has been on Prednisone to control the
> asthma for some eight years or so.

> I opted to get some bloodwork run, even though I had to take the funds
> out of my dental fund (almost two years and *still* waiting for this
> dental work!).  To my joy, the bloodwork came back "amazingly normal"
> in the vet's words.  No indication of kidney or liver failure.

How's his blood count? Prednisone is very irritating to the stomach,
and he could be developing an ulcer. That happened to one of my cats
years ago. Be sure to check the vomit and make sure there's no blood
in it. My cat seemed fine, then one day she threw up blood. I took her
to the vet right away, and she turned out to have a bleeding ulcer,
from the Prednisone. She'd bled enough, internally, to have developed
a life-threatening case of anemia, and she had to have a transfusion.

Purrs that he's OK!

Joyce
Howard Berkowitz - 18 Nov 2004 13:42 GMT
>  > Sabra started refusing food and vomiting last week.  He's our
>  > 15-year-old cat with asthma who has been on Prednisone to control the
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> from the Prednisone. She'd bled enough, internally, to have developed
> a life-threatening case of anemia, and she had to have a transfusion.

Even though prednisone might have these effects, if I extrapolate from
human medicine, there would be ways to work around the problem. My
understanding is that the general side effects of corticosteroids are
less in cats than in humans, so injected therapy could be an option.

For long-term therapy, it can also reduce side effects to go to
alternate-day dosing. I'll also cite some drugs used in human medicine,
which may or may not be usable for cats, to help with ulceration.

   Misoprostol (essentially blocks the blocking of the substance
   that produces gastrointestinal mucus)

   Sucralfate (actually coats the lining)

   Proton pump inhibitors (e.g., omeprazole) blocks the basic
   mechanism of acid secretion.

   Histamine H2-receptor antagonists (e.g., ranitidine). Indirectly
   blocks acid secretion. Definitely usable in cats.

Whenever you get into multiple oral drugs, I find it simplest (if not
cheapest) to have each made up (or commercially available) as a liquid,
then draw them sequentially into an oral syringe before dosing. While
the drugs might not be chemically compatible in a long-term mixture, the
contact in a syrings shouldn't be an issue, and you don't have the
battle of administering pills one after another.

Again from human medicine and not knowing if they are safe in cats,
there are other anti-asthma medications. The inhaled drugs probably are
impractical, and I suspect theophylline would be toxic. The new class of
leukotriene inhibitors, however, might be an option.
Ginger-lyn Summer - 18 Nov 2004 21:06 GMT
>Even though prednisone might have these effects, if I extrapolate from
>human medicine, there would be ways to work around the problem. My
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>impractical, and I suspect theophylline would be toxic. The new class of
>leukotriene inhibitors, however, might be an option.

Howard,

Sabra's actually on one Pred every three days, which is where his
asthma seemed to stabilize for the most part.  He also does get
Albuterol in an inhaler with an extender and a baby mask if he is
having more severe problems, and it does seem to help.   Sabra,
Internet and me -- the three asthmatics!

Ginger-lyn
Howard Berkowitz - 18 Nov 2004 23:43 GMT
> Howard,
>
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>
> Ginger-lyn

I hadn't realized there was an effective way to give inhaled meds to an
awake cat!  Given albuterol has a fairly short half life, it might be
useful to get one of the inhalers that combines a beta-agonist like
albuterol with an inhalable corticosteroid. Inhaled corticosteroids, in
humans, have almost no absorption and thus no side effects.
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 19 Nov 2004 00:52 GMT
> Inhaled corticosteroids, in
> humans, have almost no absorption and thus no side effects.

Didn't know that. Does that mean that you can inhale a steroid-based
medication when you have a chest cold or other URI, and it won't
suppress your immune response?

Joyce
Howard Berkowitz - 19 Nov 2004 05:41 GMT
>  > Inhaled corticosteroids, in
>  > humans, have almost no absorption and thus no side effects.
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>
> Joyce

In general terms, that's correct. I wouldn't flatly say that even
systemic corticosteroids wouldn't be indicated in an asthmatic with a
URI. The best current concept of asthma is that it's an inflammatory
disease involving hyperimmune response. The goal is to prevent the
inflammation from getting to the point that you need bronchodilators
(e.g., albuterol) to open clogged passages.  

I've seen human asthmatics with severe bronchitis given a heavy dose of
prednisone. The infection can be managed, but out of control
inflammation and secretion can kill.
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 19 Nov 2004 07:23 GMT
> The best current concept of asthma is that it's an inflammatory
> disease involving hyperimmune response. The goal is to prevent the
> inflammation from getting to the point that you need bronchodilators
> (e.g., albuterol) to open clogged passages.  

Do you consider Albuterol to be a less-than-ideal drug for asthma?
I have mild asthma myself (no "attacks" where I can't breathe, but I
do get coughing fits and wheezy breathing in response to: allergens,
cold weather, strenuous exercise, and laughing. I sometimes take a hit
off the inhaler if I'm coughing or wheezing too much. Your comments
make me wonder whether I should be considering a corticosteroid instead.

Joyce
Jeanne Hedge - 19 Nov 2004 08:30 GMT
> > The best current concept of asthma is that it's an inflammatory
> > disease involving hyperimmune response. The goal is to prevent the
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>off the inhaler if I'm coughing or wheezing too much. Your comments
>make me wonder whether I should be considering a corticosteroid instead.

I've had a nasty round with allergies this year (I'm not asthmatic),
and the doctor gave me an albuterol inhaler to use when the coughing
fits got to be too much. He said it was to stop the spasming, and it
certainly did.

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Howard Berkowitz - 19 Nov 2004 17:12 GMT
> > > The best current concept of asthma is that it's an inflammatory
> > > disease involving hyperimmune response. The goal is to prevent the
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> fits got to be too much. He said it was to stop the spasming, and it
> certainly did.

That can be very reasonable, since this class of drug calms down an
airway in spasm for any reason -- allergies, chemical exposures, smoke
inhalation, etc.

Especially after I've been lecturing for a couple of weeks, I get a
hyperactive cough reflex. A very good pulmonologist that I saw when out
of town prescribed a combination therapy that's been extremely
effective, but I've never seen in a textbook.  She combined a very low
dose of codeine, which suppresses cough reflexes in the brain, with the
drug Tessalon, which you can think of as a mild local anesthetic for the
cough-inducing nerves in the airways.  A couple of weeks of this can
clear up things for months.  She preferred low-dose pure codeine (1/8
grain, which usually needs to be special-ordered) to other opioid cough
suppressants such as dextromethorphan, but I suspect the others would
also work.
Howard Berkowitz - 19 Nov 2004 17:08 GMT
>  > The best current concept of asthma is that it's an inflammatory
>  > disease involving hyperimmune response. The goal is to prevent the
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> off the inhaler if I'm coughing or wheezing too much. Your comments
> make me wonder whether I should be considering a corticosteroid instead.

Albuterol is a perfectly fine drug for short-term relief. There are
other drugs in its class that have longer durations of action, but all
basically have the function of opening an airway in spasm. There may be
some contrary data for one drug, but it's fair to say they have no
particular effect on inflammation.

Other drugs that deal with opening things (bronchodilation), and may be
used in combination with the beta-adrenergic agonists such as albuterol,
include theophylline and ipratropium bromide. For emergency room
situations, aminophylline and epinephrine also are (injectable)
bronchodilators.

A side comment -- getting adequate medication from an inhaler can take
considerable skill. Children and people with motor problems may not be
able to do it. Spacers, bags, etc. on the inhaler are a good start, but
the most efficient delivery uses nebulizers, which generate a well-mixed
mist over a period of time. There have been recent developments that
have resulted in pocket- or purse-sized battery operated nebulizers,
although AC-powered tabletop units are more common.

A very rough rule of thumb is that if you are having several episodes of
bronchoconstriction per week, requiring a "rescue" inhaler, you have a
chronic inflammatory respiratory disease that needs both
antiinflammatory preventives. Antiinflammatories, and even long-acting
bronchodilators like salmeterol, are not going to help in a
"breakthrough" attack and you MUST also have short-acting
bronchodilators always available. There are too many sad case reports of
people who died during breakthrough episodes, sucking fruitlessly on a
long-duration drug inhaler.

Corticosteroids are the best known class of anti-inflammatories.  They
can be inhaled, taken orally, or injected.  Inhaled corticosteroids,
especially in adults, have little or no side effects.Other classes of
anti-inflammatories in general use include the inhaled cromolyns and the
oral leukotriene inhibitors.  

There are adjunctive immunosuppressant drugs, which really should be
only by specialists, that have a definite role in severe asthma. For
example, a low and fairly nontoxic dose of methotrexate, originally used
for cancer chemotherapy (in much higher doses) and now in a range of
autoimmune diseases, can be used with corticosteroids to reduce the
total dose of prednisone (or equivalent) given for the same therapeutic
effect. Properly managed, this can avoid many of the side effects of
high-dose oral corticosteroids, with due regard to various other
potential side effects.
Ginger-lyn Summer - 19 Nov 2004 19:18 GMT
>Albuterol is a perfectly fine drug for short-term relief. There are
>other drugs in its class that have longer durations of action, but all
[quoted text clipped - 41 lines]
>high-dose oral corticosteroids, with due regard to various other
>potential side effects.

I'm a little confused about what is what here, but I probably really
should learn about it.  I actually have COPD/asthma/emphysema/chronic
bronchitis (whew!), and am on four inhalers daily (Albuterol,
Pulmicort, Serevent and a newer one, Spiriva).  The Spiriva replaces
Atrovent, which some people have also given to their asthmatic cats
(Atrovent, that is).  The only time I take Prednisone is when things
seem to build up to an intolerable point, as it does maybe twice a
year, and it takes the Pred to clear everything out.

Ginger-lyn
spending *way* too much on medications these days . . .
Elise - 20 Nov 2004 02:18 GMT
> >A side comment -- getting adequate medication from an inhaler can take
> >considerable skill. Children and people with motor problems may not be
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> Ginger-lyn
> spending *way* too much on medications these days . . .

A note from DH: The first two medications you're on (Albuterol,
Pulmicort) can be compounded together for use in a nebulizer.  DH used
to work at a mail order pharmacy who, while he would never want to
work for them again, says that they are very, very good at what they
do.  They specialize in compounding for nebulizers.
www.bronchodose.com   FABNAYY (formerly affiliated but not anymore,
yadda, yadda)  :)

Elise
Gossamer & Jeeves
Howard Berkowitz - 21 Nov 2004 17:37 GMT
> I'm a little confused about what is what here, but I probably really
> should learn about it.  I actually have COPD/asthma/emphysema/chronic
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> seem to build up to an intolerable point, as it does maybe twice a
> year, and it takes the Pred to clear everything out.

Sorry I haven't gotten back earlier -- I needed to check some references
on Spiriva.

Albuterol is a straightforward drug proven for breakthrough
bronchoconstriction (tight airways). Servent is of the same general
class, but has very different timing effectiveness than albuterol.  
Albuterol takes effect quickly, but its effects last only a few hours.
It's useful for breakthrough, in patients with mild asthma that only
need occasional help, and for periods of the day/events that you know
are especially hard on your breathing.

Serevent takes at least half an hour to take effect, but lasts for 12
hours or more. I cannot emphasize strongly enough that Serevent has NO
role in the treatment of an acute attack, but is helpful for long-term
coverage. There are contradictory reports of whether or not it has an
anti-inflammatory as well as a bronchodilating effect; the manufacturer
claims only the latter.

There are many corticosteroid drugs (or, more specifically,
glucocorticoid -- that is tha type of corticosteroid that affects
inflammation. There are other corticosteroid effects that can be a side
effect or the goal, depending on the condition). Pulmocort is one of
many corticosteroid inhalers. Inhalers mostly differ in the physical
inhalation mechanism -- some types work better for different people --
and the amount of drug delivered and the activity of that drug by weight.

One of the problems of corticosteroid treatment in general is getting
enough drug to the right place. For oral (e.g., prednisone) or injected
(e.g., methylprednisolone) therapy, you just give more pills or more
drug in the injection.  Preparations intended for use on the skin have
the toughest job of getting enough drug to the site, so you use the
corticosteroids that have the most potency per weight -- typically
fluorine-substituted drugs.  Things like injection into a joint also
call for the very high potency drugs.

For inhalers, the potency requirement is medium compared to dermatology,
but having different drugs and physical inhalers available, the
clinician can better tailor the dose to you.

On a prelimiary search on Spiriva, with which I wasn't familiar and
wasn't in the main drug data base I use, it seems a somewhat
controversial replacement for Atrovent. The major advantage is
once-a-day dosing. A 2003 FDA panel
(http://www.emphysema.net/newdrug.html), however, recommended against it
being licensed without more data. I haven't checked out the later
studies, since it obviously was licensed.

Both beta-adrenergic agonists (an agonist is the opposite of an
antagonist/inhibitor) and anticholinergics like Atrovent open clogged
passages, but by different mechanisms. Beta-adrenergic agonists tend to
work directly against the wall of the passage, where anticholinergics
more focus on drying secretions.  Anticholinergics are most proven in
chronic obstructive pulmonary disease, which is mostly in the lower part
of the lung. Beta-agonists work more in the upper lungs and the passages
leading to it.
Ginger-lyn Summer - 21 Nov 2004 20:15 GMT
>Sorry I haven't gotten back earlier -- I needed to check some references
>on Spiriva.
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>of the lung. Beta-agonists work more in the upper lungs and the passages
>leading to it.

Thanks, Howard.  Interesting stuff.

My pulmonologist said he has had many patients do very well on
Spiriva, and it may be able to also replace the Serevent.  After what
I heard on the news the other day, I'm hoping so!  Although now I'm
worried about the Spiriva, too.

Sigh.  Wish I could just chuck all these drugs in the river and be
done with them, but no such luck.

Ginger-lyn
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 19 Nov 2004 23:06 GMT
> A very rough rule of thumb is that if you are having several episodes of
> bronchoconstriction per week, requiring a "rescue" inhaler, you have a
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> people who died during breakthrough episodes, sucking fruitlessly on a
> long-duration drug inhaler.

Question: what's a "rescue" inhaler, and what is a "breakthrough" attack?

Thanks,
Joyce
Howard Berkowitz - 20 Nov 2004 05:37 GMT
>  > A very rough rule of thumb is that if you are having several episodes
>  > of
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> Thanks,
> Joyce

By the best current standards, someone with moderate to severe asthma
should receive enough drugs to prevent symptoms. Symptom-preventing
drugs, which have no useful role in treating active symptoms, are the
antiinflammatories (corticosteroids, cromolyns, leukotriene inhibitors,
specialized immunosuppressants) and long-acting beta-agonists such as
salmeterol (Serevent).

A breakthrough episode is where the preventive drugs fail to prevent
symptoms developing, and you need things that directly act on the
symptoms of decreased airflow due to spasm and mucus. On an outpatient
basis, these are the fast-acting beta-agonist inhalers (e.g., albuterol)
and ipratropium bromide (Atrovent -- if it works for you). Theophylline
reduces symptoms, but not quickly -- it's more preventive than anything
else, and a fairly toxic drug anyway.

There were some reports today about safety concerns with Serevent. I
want to see more detail -- is there a true problem with the drug, or is
it that patients aren't being properly educated in its use?  Serevent
has no role in the treatment of active symptoms (breakthrough). There
have been reports for years of people found dead with a Serevent inhaler
in their hands, while they might have survived had they inhaled
albuterol. Barring any new safety revelations about Servent, it must be
realized that the drugs are complementary and do different things.
Takayuki - 21 Nov 2004 04:37 GMT
>A breakthrough episode is where the preventive drugs fail to prevent
>symptoms developing, and you need things that directly act on the
>symptoms of decreased airflow due to spasm and mucus.

What great explanations, and a valuable take-away, too.  If I ever
develop asthma, I will make sure that I have prevention and
breakthrough medications on hand as appropriate.
Mischief - 19 Nov 2004 23:04 GMT
My allergist has me on Albuterol and a cortico steroid called Qvar.  

The ALbuterol is just a short relieving inhaler.  I know because I use
it a few times a day.  I take it before I work out and I always have
it with me at work.  Even at home I have to take it.  I take the Qvar
at least once a day too, and it's supposed to help my asthma.

Of course my allergist also thinks I'm crazy with my asthma to be in
the veterinary field.  He really raised his eyebrows when I told him I
had two cats and I am allergic to cats.

He said if I really must have cats then I should shut the bedroom door
to keep the cats out.

yeah, like that would really work.....

That reminds me, i should make an appt soon.  

Kristi
Ginger-lyn Summer - 19 Nov 2004 19:19 GMT
>I hadn't realized there was an effective way to give inhaled meds to an
>awake cat!  Given albuterol has a fairly short half life, it might be
>useful to get one of the inhalers that combines a beta-agonist like
>albuterol with an inhalable corticosteroid. Inhaled corticosteroids, in
>humans, have almost no absorption and thus no side effects.

Well, it depends on the cat, I'm sure ;-)   But Sabra is pretty good
about it.

Would an Atrovent-Albuterol combo be what you're describing?  I have
heard of others who give their asthmatic cats Atrovent.

Ginger-lyn
Howard Berkowitz - 19 Nov 2004 21:53 GMT
> >I hadn't realized there was an effective way to give inhaled meds to an
> >awake cat!  Given albuterol has a fairly short half life, it might be
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> Would an Atrovent-Albuterol combo be what you're describing?  I have
> heard of others who give their asthmatic cats Atrovent.

No, albuterol and Atrovent (ipratropium bromide) are both airway
dilators. Atrovent is most often indicated for chronic obstructive
pulmonary disease, but it's definitely worth trying in asthma when a
second bronchodilator is needed. It has no effect on some asthmatics,
but dramatic ones on others -- I remember our internist and I looking at
my ex-wifes lung measurements improve incredibly with one puff of
Atrovent.  If you have both COPD and asthma, it's a no-brainer to use.

Atrovent is much less toxic than the third family of bronchodilators,
for which aminophylline (an oral drug) is the prototype. Given
aminophylline is a member of the same family as caffeine (the
methylxanthines), I suspect it would be toxic to cats.
Ginger-lyn Summer - 18 Nov 2004 21:04 GMT
>How's his blood count? Prednisone is very irritating to the stomach,
>and he could be developing an ulcer. That happened to one of my cats
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>
>Joyce

Thanks, Joyce.

His WBC count was very slightly elevated, and the vet said he wasn't
worried about it.  No blood in the vomit, thank heavens.  Yesterday,
he ate some hamburger (I was desperate to get *anything* in him!), and
then some A/D later, but he had vomited again earlier :-(  Today, we
caught him eating *paper*!  We may have discovered the cause of all
this . . . .

Ginger-lyn
Sam Nash - 18 Nov 2004 03:38 GMT
> You all know how gut-wrenchingly nervous you are when a kitty is sick.
> It has been a long week for us here with that feeling.
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>
> Ginger-lyn

Purrs that the upset was "just a transient thing", and calming purrs for a
Meowmy's worry.
Sam
Adrian - 18 Nov 2004 14:30 GMT
> You all know how gut-wrenchingly nervous you are when a kitty is sick.
> It has been a long week for us here with that feeling.
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> out of my dental fund (almost two years and *still* waiting for this
> dental work!).  Ts thato my joy, the bloodwork came back "amazingly
normal"
> in the vet's words.  No indication of kidney or liver failure.
>
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>
> Ginger-lyn

Purrs that it is something simple, and that Sabra has many years ahead
of him.
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SUQKRT - 18 Nov 2004 18:00 GMT
Purrs that Sabra starts eating asap.
Suz
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Ginger-lyn Summer - 19 Nov 2004 19:22 GMT
>Purrs that Sabra starts eating asap.
>Suz
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Thanks everyone for the purrs and good wishes.  Sabra still would not
eat his first meal yesterday :-(  But he did great last night.  Today,
he is looking much perkier, so I am hopeful.  The vet thinks we should
just keep an eye on him and see if he bounces back (indicating he ate
something he shouldn't and passed it).  Beyond that, it's a
colonoscopy, which is out of my financial league right now.  I'm
hopeful after catching him eating the paper yesterday that eating
things he shouldn't truly is the problem, and if we can get everything
out of his way, this will resolve.  I surely hope so.  I love my tough
ol' bird, and always figured he would live to be quite old, stubborn
as he is.  :-)

Ginger-lyn
who likes stubborn cats -- sometimes!
 
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