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Victor Martinez - 12 Dec 2007 00:12 GMT
I just got home and found what looks like a puddle of blood on the
kitchen floor, there are solids in it, like if someone barfed it. None
of the cats look ill, but somebody did this and I can't tell who!!!

Any ideas how to figure this out without dragging all 7 cats to the
emergency vet?

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Cheryl - 12 Dec 2007 00:33 GMT
> I just got home and found what looks like a puddle of blood on
> the kitchen floor, there are solids in it, like if someone
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> Any ideas how to figure this out without dragging all 7 cats to
> the emergency vet?

I would have emailed this, but your reply-to isn't valid. No
problem. If you suspect it came up with the vomit, was it black or
red, if you can tell, that is if it was dried blood it might be
hard to tell.  One with internal bleeding might have pale gums.
You could also call the E vet and ask them what you should look
for. I'm sure they have some suggestion other than bringing
everyone in.

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Victor Martinez - 12 Dec 2007 00:37 GMT
> problem. If you suspect it came up with the vomit, was it black or
> red, if you can tell, that is if it was dried blood it might be

It was very red, lots of red liquid, some clots and some fur.

> hard to tell.  One with internal bleeding might have pale gums.

Good idea, I'm going to check gums now.

> You could also call the E vet and ask them what you should look
> for. I'm sure they have some suggestion other than bringing
> everyone in.

Evet said to separate them and see if one of them vomits again. Not
really practical, we don't have enough rooms!

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Joy - 12 Dec 2007 01:23 GMT
>> problem. If you suspect it came up with the vomit, was it black or red,
>> if you can tell, that is if it was dried blood it might be
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> Evet said to separate them and see if one of them vomits again. Not really
> practical, we don't have enough rooms!

Maybe you could separate them into small groups, depending on how many rooms
you can close off.  If it happens again, then you'd only have to eliminate
one or two, instead of six.

Joy
Victor Martinez - 12 Dec 2007 00:51 GMT
Gums look normal. I did remember we have a black light (from when Xoxo
had urinary crystals), and I've given them all a good exam to look for
traces of blood. None so far, but I did discover cat teeth glow under
black light and that tartar deposits look orange!

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Karen - 12 Dec 2007 01:13 GMT
> Gums look normal. I did remember we have a black light (from when Xoxo
> had urinary crystals), and I've given them all a good exam to look for
> traces of blood. None so far, but I did discover cat teeth glow under
> black light and that tartar deposits look orange!

Anybody acting off?
Victor Martinez - 12 Dec 2007 01:50 GMT
> Anybody acting off?

so far i think it may be issa, he hasn't had any food yet.

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Dewi - 12 Dec 2007 01:17 GMT
> I just got home and found what looks like a puddle of blood on the
> kitchen floor, there are solids in it, like if someone barfed it. None
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Could the blood be from something they killed?? If the blood was
vomited up, it is supposed to look like coffee grains because of the
stomach acid. Also look for cuts on them, just in case.

Dewi
Bettina - 12 Dec 2007 01:31 GMT
> > I just got home and found what looks like a puddle of blood on the
> > kitchen floor, there are solids in it, like if someone barfed it. None
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>
> Dewi

That`s was I thought first. Mine rather often throw up pieces of
mouse.
Even indoor cats could have gotten a mouse.
Victor Martinez - 12 Dec 2007 01:53 GMT
> Could the blood be from something they killed?? If the blood was
> vomited up, it is supposed to look like coffee grains because of the
> stomach acid. Also look for cuts on them, just in case.

I was reading on my vet handbook that if vomit looks bright red, then
it's likely bleeding in the esophagus. If it looks like coffee grounds,
then it's after the stomach.
It was definitely a barf, it had cat hair in it and it was in a puddle. :(

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Bettina - 12 Dec 2007 02:03 GMT
> > Could the blood be from something they killed?? If the blood was
> > vomited up, it is supposed to look like coffee grains because of the
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This idea might sound stupid, but as there seems to be nothing else to
do
check on the next occuring excrements - someone might have eaten
something sharp
which might come out.

with best hopes
Bettina
Monique Y. Mudama - 12 Dec 2007 06:17 GMT
>> Could the blood be from something they killed?? If the blood was
>> vomited up, it is supposed to look like coffee grains because of
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> grounds, then it's after the stomach.  It was definitely a barf, it
> had cat hair in it and it was in a puddle. :(

    When Oscar vomited brown after her surgery, I freaked out, but the
    vet said it was just pooled blood from the biopsies.  It wasn't
    grainy, though, just brown and liquid.

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hopitus - 12 Dec 2007 01:53 GMT
> I just got home and found what looks like a puddle of blood on the
> kitchen floor, there are solids in it, like if someone barfed it. None
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Depending how long you and/or Tom were gone....maybe not enough
time for the sick one to clean his face up, so what I;d do is inspect
all of them in a good light individually - area around their mouth fur
and inside immediate mouth area, since blood as you relate is bright
red and not tiny drops. Maybe that way you at least could tell who
exactly is illin'....best wishes for success.
Ann - 12 Dec 2007 01:53 GMT
Purrs on the way.
Ann

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>I just got home and found what looks like a puddle of blood on the kitchen
>floor, there are solids in it, like if someone barfed it. None of the cats
>look ill, but somebody did this and I can't tell who!!!
>
> Any ideas how to figure this out without dragging all 7 cats to the
> emergency vet?
CatNipped - 12 Dec 2007 02:13 GMT
>I just got home and found what looks like a puddle of blood on the kitchen
>floor, there are solids in it, like if someone barfed it. None of the cats
>look ill, but somebody did this and I can't tell who!!!
>
> Any ideas how to figure this out without dragging all 7 cats to the
> emergency vet?

Is there any chance at all that this could have been the remains of a mouse
or lizard?  Are you sure it was cat hair and not mouse hair?  Even if it was
cat hair, could it have been part of a mouse that was vomited up along with
a hairball?  The next thing I would check would be stool, maybe for pine
needles (Sammy once ate part of a gilded, straw broom thingie I used to
decorate my fireplace wood-holder at Christmas.  A pine needle or something
else sharp may have scratched the esophogus and caused bleeding when the cat
was trying to get it back up again.  Blood from the stomach is usually black
like coffee grounds, so it sounds like blood from the esophogus, but if it
is a scratched esophogus, it could still cause problems making it hard for a
cat to eat and then they'll get hepatic lipodosis.

Has everybody eaten - a scratched esophogus would put the cat off his feed.

Sorry, that's all I can think of right now.  Purrs on the way that it's
nothing serious.

Hugs,

CatNipped
Victor Martinez - 12 Dec 2007 03:06 GMT
> Is there any chance at all that this could have been the remains of a mouse
> or lizard?  Are you sure it was cat hair and not mouse hair?  Even if it was

Not at all. It was a puddle of red liquid, about 3 tablespoons worth, I
guess. When picked up with a paper towel, it most certainly looks like
blood.

> Has everybody eaten - a scratched esophogus would put the cat off his feed.

Issa took a long time to eat, Tom said he just saw him eat. However,
Luna has now barfed twice. Not her usual. Basho also barfed, but that's
normal for him, he eats way too much all the time.
My prime suspects right now are still Issa and Luna. Our plan was going
to be to take Issa to our regular vet in the morning if he didn't eat.
But now he's eaten, so we're back to square one. :(

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Victor Martinez - 12 Dec 2007 03:34 GMT
> But now he's eaten, so we're back to square one. :(

Luna has barfed 3 times. We're taking her to the ER right now.

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sam - 12 Dec 2007 04:32 GMT
>> But now he's eaten, so we're back to square one. :(
>
> Luna has barfed 3 times. We're taking her to the ER right now.

Purrs that the problem is easily found and corrected.  Scarey thing to
come home and find blood on the floor.

Sam
Karen - 12 Dec 2007 04:43 GMT
>> But now he's eaten, so we're back to square one. :(
>
> Luna has barfed 3 times. We're taking her to the ER right now.

Purrs coming.
bastXXXette@sonic.net - 12 Dec 2007 05:07 GMT
Victor Martinez <me@nospam.com> said:

> > Victor Martinez wrote:
> >> But now he's eaten, so we're back to square one. :(
> >
> > Luna has barfed 3 times. We're taking her to the ER right now.

I'm glad you found out who it was so you can get her treatment right
away! Purrs for an ailment that's easy to treat.

It could be an ulcer (which isn't too hard to treat). I had a cat who
threw up blood and that's what caused it.

Joyce
mlbriggs - 12 Dec 2007 06:10 GMT
>> But now he's eaten, so we're back to square one. :(
>
> Luna has barfed 3 times. We're taking her to the ER right now.

Purring for a quick recovery.   MLB
Victor Martinez - 12 Dec 2007 04:11 GMT
we're at the er, they are going to do some x rays and bloodwork.

> I just got home and found what looks like a puddle of blood on the
> kitchen floor, there are solids in it, like if someone barfed it. None
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GaDragonfly - 12 Dec 2007 04:21 GMT
> we're at the er, they are going to do some x rays and bloodwork.
>
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GaDragonfly - 12 Dec 2007 04:23 GMT
> we're at the er, they are going to do some x rays and bloodwork.

Victor,
Purrs on the way that this is something easily diagnosed and treated
and that poor Luna is feeling much better soon. Gentle headbutts for
you and Tom as well. I know the feeling of sitting in the ER Vet
waiting room at 10:30 at night waiting to learn what's wrong with one
of my babies.  Let us know as soon as you can.
Julie, Hobbes, Lacey, Sam and Barnabus
Marina - 12 Dec 2007 04:32 GMT
> we're at the er, they are going to do some x rays and bloodwork.

I just got up and saw this thread. Many many purrs on the way for Luna
and her worried daddies.

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Monique Y. Mudama - 12 Dec 2007 06:16 GMT
> we're at the er, they are going to do some x rays and bloodwork.

Purrs for you and your clowder.

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Victor Martinez - 12 Dec 2007 07:01 GMT
We'll, we just got back from the ER with no diagnosis and a few hundred
dollar poorer. :(
Her x-rays and bloodwork all came out ok. We're supposed to keep an eye
on her (and the other cats) to see if we can pinpoint anything out of
the ordinary.
I'll be calling our regular vet in the morning to get her feedback.
Thanks for all the purrs, now we're off to bed, it's way past our bedtime.

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Granby - 12 Dec 2007 08:08 GMT
Got up at 2 and checked to see how things were going.  Glad you are all
home.  Purrs and prayers that all will be well.
> We'll, we just got back from the ER with no diagnosis and a few hundred
> dollar poorer. :(
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> I'll be calling our regular vet in the morning to get her feedback.
> Thanks for all the purrs, now we're off to bed, it's way past our bedtime.
Victor Martinez - 12 Dec 2007 14:14 GMT
> Got up at 2 and checked to see how things were going.  Glad you are all
> home.  Purrs and prayers that all will be well.

That is incredibly sweet of yours, thank you.

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Matthew - 12 Dec 2007 09:12 GMT
STILL SENDING PURRS AND PRAYERS

> We'll, we just got back from the ER with no diagnosis and a few hundred
> dollar poorer. :(
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> I'll be calling our regular vet in the morning to get her feedback.
> Thanks for all the purrs, now we're off to bed, it's way past our bedtime.
Adrian A - 12 Dec 2007 10:16 GMT
> We'll, we just got back from the ER with no diagnosis and a few
> hundred dollar poorer. :(
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Thanks for all the purrs, now we're off to bed, it's way past our
> bedtime.

Lots of purrs that nothing is seriously wrong with Luna.
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Kreisleriana - 12 Dec 2007 12:30 GMT
> we're at the er, they are going to do some x rays and bloodwork.

I got here late.  Big big purrs you get this straightened out.
polonca12000 - 18 Dec 2007 21:24 GMT
>>I just got home and found what looks like a puddle of blood on the
>>kitchen floor, there are solids in it, like if someone barfed it. None
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>>Send your spam here: uce@ftc.gov
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> we're at the er, they are going to do some x rays and bloodwork.

Lots and lots of purrs,
Polonca and Soncek
Charleen Welton - 12 Dec 2007 13:23 GMT
Hope that this is sorted out quickly and fixed painlessly.  Many purrrs
headed your way.
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>I just got home and found what looks like a puddle of blood on the kitchen
>floor, there are solids in it, like if someone barfed it. None of the cats
>look ill, but somebody did this and I can't tell who!!!
>
> Any ideas how to figure this out without dragging all 7 cats to the
> emergency vet?
Victor Martinez - 12 Dec 2007 14:19 GMT
The cats have had breakfast and so far no barfs. I'm going to stay home
today to monitor. I also called our regular TED and asked that one of
them (our usual isn't working today) give me a call back when they
review the tests results from the ER that were faxed this morning.
Poor Luna, she had to sit in a cage somewhere in the back of the ER
while they performed surgery on a german shepperd puppy and then treated
a tiny little puppy with seizures. :(

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Monique Y. Mudama - 12 Dec 2007 15:22 GMT
> The cats have had breakfast and so far no barfs. I'm going to stay
> home today to monitor. I also called our regular TED and asked that
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> of the ER while they performed surgery on a german shepperd puppy
> and then treated a tiny little puppy with seizures. :(

    The ER is a heart-breaking place =/

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CatNipped - 12 Dec 2007 15:25 GMT
Purrs are still coming.  Have you definitely narrowed it down to Luna?

Hugs,

CatNipped

> The cats have had breakfast and so far no barfs. I'm going to stay home
> today to monitor. I also called our regular TED and asked that one of them
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> they performed surgery on a german shepperd puppy and then treated a tiny
> little puppy with seizures. :(
Victor Martinez - 12 Dec 2007 15:51 GMT
> Purrs are still coming.  Have you definitely narrowed it down to Luna?

No, we're not 100% sure, but it's very unusual for her to barf her food.
She did it 3 times last night.
Right now she's locked in a bathroom until she poops, we need to make
sure there's no blood there.

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CatNipped - 12 Dec 2007 16:46 GMT
>> Purrs are still coming.  Have you definitely narrowed it down to Luna?
>
> No, we're not 100% sure, but it's very unusual for her to barf her food.
> She did it 3 times last night.
> Right now she's locked in a bathroom until she poops, we need to make sure
> there's no blood there.

Mega purrs still on the way - I know how scared you must be!

Hugs,

CatNipped
leopardusweidii@yahoo.co.uk - 12 Dec 2007 22:25 GMT
> No, we're not 100% sure, but it's very unusual for her to barf her food.
> She did it 3 times last night.
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Purrs still very much en-route for it not to be serious.

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Steve Touchstone - 12 Dec 2007 18:28 GMT
lots of purrs on the way

>The cats have had breakfast and so far no barfs. I'm going to stay home
>today to monitor. I also called our regular TED and asked that one of
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>while they performed surgery on a german shepperd puppy and then treated
>a tiny little puppy with seizures. :(
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Karen - 12 Dec 2007 18:34 GMT
> The cats have had breakfast and so far no barfs. I'm going to stay home
> today to monitor. I also called our regular TED and asked that one of
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> while they performed surgery on a german shepperd puppy and then
> treated a tiny little puppy with seizures. :(

Lets hope it was a one time wierd idiopathic thing that never raises
its head again.
Charleen Welton - 12 Dec 2007 18:40 GMT
More prayers and many more purrs heading your way.
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> The cats have had breakfast and so far no barfs. I'm going to stay home
> today to monitor. I also called our regular TED and asked that one of them
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> they performed surgery on a german shepperd puppy and then treated a tiny
> little puppy with seizures. :(
bastXXXette@sonic.net - 12 Dec 2007 19:00 GMT

> The cats have had breakfast and so far no barfs. I'm going to stay home
> today to monitor. I also called our regular TED and asked that one of them
> (our usual isn't working today) give me a call back when they review the
> tests results from the ER that were faxed this morning.

Continuing purrs for a benign result!

Joyce
sam - 13 Dec 2007 03:15 GMT
> The cats have had breakfast and so far no barfs. I'm going to stay home
> today to monitor. I also called our regular TED and asked that one of
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> while they performed surgery on a german shepperd puppy and then treated
> a tiny little puppy with seizures. :(

Purrs continuing for Luna, and for you and Tom

Sam
Marina - 13 Dec 2007 04:21 GMT
> The cats have had breakfast and so far no barfs. I'm going to stay home
> today to monitor. I also called our regular TED and asked that one of
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> while they performed surgery on a german shepperd puppy and then treated
> a tiny little puppy with seizures. :(

Purrs are still coming over for you all.

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Irulan - 12 Dec 2007 16:47 GMT
no ideas for you, Victor. But we will purr and pray that
everyone is ok.

Lily & her mama

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>I just got home and found what looks like a puddle of blood on the kitchen
>floor, there are solids in it, like if someone barfed it. None of the cats
>look ill, but somebody did this and I can't tell who!!!
>
> Any ideas how to figure this out without dragging all 7 cats to the
> emergency vet?
Caroline S. - 12 Dec 2007 21:27 GMT
I hope things have calmed down by now for you Victor, that sure sounds
scary.

It reminds me of the time I came home and found a trail of blood
through all 3 levels of the house. I never did find out who/what it
came from and it never happened again.

-Caroline S.
Victor Martinez - 13 Dec 2007 04:50 GMT
> It reminds me of the time I came home and found a trail of blood
> through all 3 levels of the house. I never did find out who/what it
> came from and it never happened again.

That gives me a lot of hope, that it was just a fluke. Poor Luna spent
all day locked in the bathroom and did not poop. :-/
As soon as I let her out, she ran to the other bathroom and used the box
there. Nothing abnormal that I could tell. I'll make sure to review all
poopies tomorrow morning when I clean the boxes.
All cats are acting normal, eating, etc.

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Bettina - 13 Dec 2007 12:05 GMT
> > It reminds me of the time I came home and found a trail of blood
> > through all 3 levels of the house. I never did find out who/what it
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This is so strange. Purrs for nothing to happen.

Bettina
Charleen Welton - 13 Dec 2007 15:08 GMT
So very glad that things have returned to normal and crossed paws that they
stay that way.
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>> It reminds me of the time I came home and found a trail of blood
>> through all 3 levels of the house. I never did find out who/what it
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> poopies tomorrow morning when I clean the boxes.
> All cats are acting normal, eating, etc.
Outsider - 13 Dec 2007 21:03 GMT
Victor Martinez <me@nospam.com> wrote in news:5sbs1fF18gi5pU1
@mid.individual.net:

>> It reminds me of the time I came home and found a trail of blood
>> through all 3 levels of the house. I never did find out who/what it
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> poopies tomorrow morning when I clean the boxes.
> All cats are acting normal, eating, etc.

I am only just seeing this today.  I almost hope this stays a mystery.  
What a frightening few days you have had.

Andy
Gandalf - 13 Dec 2007 03:07 GMT
>I just got home and found what looks like a puddle of blood on the
>kitchen floor, there are solids in it, like if someone barfed it. None
>of the cats look ill, but somebody did this and I can't tell who!!!
>
>Any ideas how to figure this out without dragging all 7 cats to the
>emergency vet?

Oh my! That would be very, very scary to come home to!

Healing purrs for (name of cat here -----) on the way.

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