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An Amazing Cat Named Four
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Charleen Welton - 09 Dec 2007 20:47 GMT The Story of a cat named Four. This is a long story, three years long! Purrs for a happy ending to it.
Three years ago a magnificent, truly magnificent, healthy, adult, male, Maine Coon cat came into our Central Florida neighborhood to visit those of us who were out working in the yard, bar-b-qing or sitting out. He did not want anything , he was purely a social animal. He visited us and a real treat for me is that he was a "talker." We had many wonderful "conversations." He was apparently someone's cat as he was well fed and groomed.
After months of his visiting he disappeared for about a week. When he returned he had the most horrific injury I have every seen on a cat. The fur and skin was torn from him from under his jaw to his shoulder and from the top of his neck to just under his neck. This was down to the muscle.
At this point no one knew if his people abandoned him or if he, in his fright, would not return to them for he became a "stray." A scab formed over the injury which was a good thing. This took a long time though because of the size of it. Unfortunately the scab came/fell/was ripped off. Another scab formed and a massive, truly massive, infection set in under it. The cat's head was misshaped and his shoulder and surrounding area swollen to terrible proportions and shapes. At this point most of the neighbors had talked to their vets and were told to shoo him away, keep him away from the family cats for fear of disease. The scab fell off and the abscess drained. My husband, David, our roommate, Larry and I tried for weeks to trap Four to take him to the vet but he was too wily to be trapped.
By now two years had passed since that magnificent cat came to our neighborhood. He would disappear and reappear. He was now, emaciated, frightened, unwanted. I started feeding him. It took months to gain his confidence. Up until 10 days ago he was coming into my porch every day for breakfast and occasionally returning for dinner. He has been in the house, the bedroom, living room and office and very comfortable in those rooms. He is a cat that is used to a house and I believe he wants to live in one. I am having an issue with my 13 year old, spayed, female, Aggie Marble. When he comes in she urinates inappropriately. Helen Miles is helping me deal with this issue.
We live 22 miles from Disney World and some of the houses in this area are second homes to people from the northern United States who come here during the winter. Four has stopped coming here and David and I found out Sunday that he is staying with a Snowbird family who is feeding him and we think sheltering him. I believe that when he was disappearing that he was being fed by these families and he would reappear when they left to return to their Northern homes.
He is an incredible cat; when you think of all that he has endured over three years as far as how he used to live and then had to live, the physical problems he's gone through, the trust issues his kitty brain has had to sort out. The wound has not healed, it is still open although smaller than it was originally was. He deserves much better than what he has now and I hope with all my heart I can see that he gets it.
Four returned here two days ago for his meals. Helen Miles has been a huge help to me. Please think Positive Vibes as we implement a plan to get Four trapped and to the vet within a week. One of the times when he is eating I will close the inside/outside door so that he is confined to the large safe-for-him porch. A Have -a-Hart trap will be in place. I will feed him for four days in the trap. On the fifth day I will rig the trap to close when he is in it and whisk Four away to our fantastically wonderful and most understanding vet, Dr. Mulero. Hopefully Four's injury can be taken care of with a minimum of discomfort/pain to him and a through exam will show him to be healthy. The injury may be difficult to deal with and a stay at the vets for a couple of days is a possibility. If we are able to get him vet care a relative has told me that he will help pay some of the vet bill as that may be a problem, I'm thankful for that, but I am worrying about the cost of the rest. Still, we'll cross that bridge when we get to it - first we have to get Four and get him treated.
Major, major Purrs and Prayers are requested for Four's successful capture and that his vet exam shows him to be in basically good health and that his injury can be treated in a manner that will result in swift healing and no complications and that we can find him a forever home - either with me if he is accepted by Aggie Marble, or by some doting slave who can treat him in the manner he deserves.
Please click on the links below to see the handsome gentleman, Four. Warning: some of the 3 pictures are graphic. He is such a very handsome boy!!
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bastXXXette@sonic.net - 09 Dec 2007 21:05 GMT > The Story of a cat named Four. This is a long story, three years long! > Purrs for a happy ending to it.
> Major, major Purrs and Prayers are requested for Four's successful capture > and that his vet exam shows him to be in basically good health and that his > injury can be treated in a manner that will result in swift healing and no > complications and that we can find him a forever home - either with me if he > is accepted by Aggie Marble, or by some doting slave who can treat him in > the manner he deserves. The poor thing!! :( I wonder why he is so untrusting, considering that he was a very social, friendly cat initially? Makes me wonder what happened to cause such a terrible injury.
Major purrs for you to capture him successfully and get him fixed up. He just looks so sad in those pictures. I want to see a photo of him with a contented expression, one of these days.
Joyce
Charleen Welton - 09 Dec 2007 21:37 GMT I hope to be able to send a "contended" picture in a while! I suspect it was a racoon that injured him, but of course I have no way of knowing for sure. I believe his is so untrusting because people have been chasing him away for these three years. He warms up to me for a short while, I can pet him then he runs out the door.
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> > The Story of a cat named Four. This is a long story, three years long! > > Purrs for a happy ending to it. [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Joyce Kreisleriana - 09 Dec 2007 21:20 GMT > The Story of a cat named Four. This is a long story, three years long! > Purrs for a happy ending to it. [quoted text clipped - 83 lines] > > www.weltonfamily.net/images/c3.jpg He is absolutely splendid! Big big purrs for his recovery.
Charleen Welton - 09 Dec 2007 23:06 GMT He is indeed a splendid cat. Thank you for your Big Purrs, so much has to go right for it work out so that he is caught safety and cared for properly. He is slowly, very slowly turning in to a love bug!
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>> The Story of a cat named Four. This is a long story, three years long! >> Purrs for a happy ending to it. [quoted text clipped - 87 lines] > > He is absolutely splendid! Big big purrs for his recovery. Karen - 09 Dec 2007 22:36 GMT > The Story of a cat named Four. This is a long story, three years long! > Purrs for a happy ending to it. [quoted text clipped - 86 lines] > > www.weltonfamily.net/images/c3.jpg Mega purrs for a successful trap. Poor guy.
Charleen Welton - 09 Dec 2007 23:09 GMT Thank you Karen, I'm so concerned about the actual trapping. He now trusts me and I go do this to him!! He, of course, doesn't know it is for the best. We need all the purrs you can spare that this is successful and it works out in the long run. Thanks.
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>> The Story of a cat named Four. This is a long story, three years long! >> Purrs for a happy ending to it. [quoted text clipped - 87 lines] > > Mega purrs for a successful trap. Poor guy. Dewi - 09 Dec 2007 23:58 GMT Oops, I was half way through writing a response and I think I posted it! So if a weird or repetitive response appears from me, that'll be why.
Anyhow... do you have a secure place to put Four after you trap him and take him to the vets (like your porch or a garage)? That will prevent him from running away whilst he's scared. After a while (even up to a month or two) he would have settled down and he can be given outside access... assuming you want to give him outside access.
I've trapped 2 totally feral, unfriendly, old tom cats who I went on to adopt. Both went into my cat enclosure after they were trapped and seen by the vet. One became friendly after about 2 months and the other become tolerant but never friendly. They settled in really well after a couple months and even though I never let them out again, there were two occasions when the enclosure gate wasn't shut properly. All my other cats wandered out, except for the 2 ex-toms who showed no interest. So there's a good chance Four will forgive you and settle in once he's seen the vet.
Dewi
> Thank you Karen, I'm so concerned about the actual trapping. He now trusts > me and I go do this to him!! He, of course, doesn't know it is for the [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > The Spirit of Mr. Pumpkin > St. Cloud, Florida USA Charleen Welton - 10 Dec 2007 01:22 GMT Hey Dewi, I found your other post and combined the two. There is no doubt that he needs antibiotics. The big problem is that the wound is open and has been for almost three years. It is open to the muscle. Helen's vet has seen the photo's also and is available to my vet for consultation. Darn nice of Helen and Michael, her vet. How the wound can be closed or covered is the problem. Four will come home with me after his visit to the vet. He is comfortable on the porch and with Victor Velcro. Aggie Marble is the problem, although she is less stressed now than she was a month ago. Your experiences with the cats you captured have given me hope that all will turn out well for Four. Thank you for them and the purrs.
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> Oops, I was half way through writing a response and I think I posted > it! So if a weird or repetitive response appears from me, that'll be > why. Definately sending major purrs for Four. I do hope you capture him soon and that he finds a good home soon. Although the photos don't show the full extent of his injury, maybe all he needs are some antibiotics. Best of luck with this rescue. :)
Dewi
> Anyhow... do you have a secure place to put Four after you trap him > and take him to the vets (like your porch or a garage)? That will [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] >> The Spirit of Mr. Pumpkin >> St. Cloud, Florida USA Adrian A - 10 Dec 2007 22:27 GMT > Thank you Karen, I'm so concerned about the actual trapping. He now > trusts me and I go do this to him!! He, of course, doesn't know it > is for the best. We need all the purrs you can spare that this is > successful and it works out in the long run. Thanks. I had the same worries when I trapped Shadow earlier this year so I could take him to be neautered. He was a little more wary for a few weeks but lately he's been getting bolder and friendlier. He meowed for the very first time today because his dish was empty.
Given time and patience I'm sure Four will become a loving owner to you and David.
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Charleen Welton - 10 Dec 2007 23:23 GMT Adrian you addressed an issue I've only talked to Helen breifly about and that is what happens after Four comes home from the vets. She explained that he should stay in, with which I agree. He was formally a home kitty as he is very comfortable in the house. Hopefully Aggie Marble will adjust well, she has issues now. Victor is doing quite well with Four. Four is totally and absolutly non-aggressive. Did Shadow's intergration go smoothly?
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>> Thank you Karen, I'm so concerned about the actual trapping. He now >> trusts me and I go do this to him!! He, of course, doesn't know it [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Given time and patience I'm sure Four will become a loving owner to you > and David. Adrian A - 11 Dec 2007 11:19 GMT > Adrian you addressed an issue I've only talked to Helen breifly about > and that is what happens after Four comes home from the vets. She [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > well with Four. Four is totally and absolutly non-aggressive. Did > Shadow's intergration go smoothly? Shadow has only been in the house a couple of times for short visits, I'm taking things very slowley and letting him set the pace. I think he'll be fine with Baggy, I'm not so sure about Snoopy, she doesn't like other cats but so far she hasn't gone for Shadow.
Baggy's tried to get him to play but he just looks confused.
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Yowie - 09 Dec 2007 23:06 GMT > The Story of a cat named Four. This is a long story, three years long! > Purrs for a happy ending to it. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > "conversations." He was apparently someone's cat as he was well fed and > groomed. <snip>
> Major, major Purrs and Prayers are requested for Four's successful capture > and that his vet exam shows him to be in basically good health and that [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Warning: some of the 3 pictures are graphic. He is such a very handsome > boy!! Purrs for a successful capture and good diagnosis at the the vet. Please keep us updated.
Yowie
Charleen Welton - 10 Dec 2007 01:05 GMT I sure will keep you updated. He is quite an amazing cat. He started talking again last week, it was wonderful to hear him although he was quite pushy! He was telling me to "Hurry up, I want breakfast now, I'm hungry, can't you move any faster that that?"
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>> The Story of a cat named Four. This is a long story, three years long! >> Purrs for a happy ending to it. [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Yowie Suz - 11 Dec 2007 17:27 GMT > > The Story of a cat named Four. �This is a long story, three years long! > > Purrs for a happy ending to it. [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Yowie Spicey sends purrs south. He has such a handsome face. I avoided the graphic pics.
Suz&Spicey
Charleen Welton - 11 Dec 2007 21:26 GMT Hi Suz, he is a truly handsome cat and he has a wonderful personality. I love having conversations with him. You would think we knew what we were talking about. This morning didn't work out well, he sure did take me by surprise. See the "report." The pictures are not terrible but if an injured cat upsets you I can understand why you, or anyone wouldn't want to look at them. Talk to you later. Scritches to Spicey.
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On Dec 9, 6:06?pm, "Yowie" <yowie9644.DIESPAM...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> "Charleen Welton" <ilikec...@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > Yowie Spicey sends purrs south. He has such a handsome face. I avoided the graphic pics.
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Matthew - 09 Dec 2007 23:16 GMT PURRS AND PRAYERS IN ROUTE I got the pack singing up a storm ;-)
> The Story of a cat named Four. This is a long story, three years long! > Purrs for a happy ending to it. [quoted text clipped - 83 lines] > > www.weltonfamily.net/images/c3.jpg Charleen Welton - 10 Dec 2007 01:08 GMT Matthew and The Pack thank you so much. We need all the purrs we can get. This is quite an emotional event. It has been going on for so long, it needs to end well.
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> PURRS AND PRAYERS IN ROUTE > I got the pack singing up a storm ;-) [quoted text clipped - 88 lines] >> >> www.weltonfamily.net/images/c3.jpg Victor Martinez - 09 Dec 2007 23:21 GMT > Please click on the links below to see the handsome gentleman, Four. > Warning: some of the 3 pictures are graphic. He is such a very handsome > boy!! Lots of purrs that you can take him to the vet!!!
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Charleen Welton - 10 Dec 2007 01:12 GMT Thanks Victor. The vet is soooo good. The concern is great, shared by both Helen and I, that the wound on his neck that hasn't closed in the years that have passed is such that we can't imagine what kind of care he needs to heal it. Dr. Mulero will take care of him the best way possible.
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>> Please click on the links below to see the handsome gentleman, Four. >> Warning: some of the 3 pictures are graphic. He is such a very handsome >> boy!! > > Lots of purrs that you can take him to the vet!!! Dewi - 09 Dec 2007 23:32 GMT Definately sending major purrs for Four. I do hope you capture him soon and that he finds a good home soon. Although the photos don't show the full extent of his injury, maybe all he needs are some antibiotics. Best of luck with this rescue. :)
Dewi
Ann - 10 Dec 2007 02:23 GMT Purrs on the way. Ann
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> The Story of a cat named Four. This is a long story, three years long! > Purrs for a happy ending to it. [quoted text clipped - 83 lines] > > www.weltonfamily.net/images/c3.jpg Charleen Welton - 10 Dec 2007 12:10 GMT Thank you Ann, we need all we can get. It is early morning here as I write this. I looked out my office window to see if Four had arrived and there he was sitting quitely and like the gentleman that he is with his fluffly tail wrapped around him waiting for his breakfast. Caring for him is more than feeling sorry for him, he is charming and endearing. Your purrs will help speed his eventful week. Thank you.
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> Purrs on the way. > Ann [quoted text clipped - 88 lines] >> >> www.weltonfamily.net/images/c3.jpg Gandalf - 10 Dec 2007 06:34 GMT My bet is that he was injured by humans, intentionally or not. (I sure hope it wan't intentional). Hence his fear of people, contrary to before he was injured.
Bless you for looking out for him, and taking on the big responsibility of getting him treated and back to good health.
Big get well purrs on the way.
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Charleen Welton - 10 Dec 2007 12:19 GMT It is just an awful thought that human beings can do the things they do to animals and other human beings but the reality is that they do; what you state is very, very possible. I'm so concern about damaging his trust again when I trap him and then take him to the vet where it is strange and he will be handled by strangers. There is no other way though. I can only hope that the relationship is strong enough now that he will return to me. Thank you for your kind words and Big Get Well Purrs
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> My bet is that he was injured by humans, intentionally or not. (I sure > hope it wan't intentional). Hence his fear of people, contrary to before [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Life is very difficult. Once you understand that, life becomes easier. > -Buddha Takayuki - 10 Dec 2007 06:52 GMT >Please click on the links below to see the handsome gentleman, Four. >Warning: some of the 3 pictures are graphic. He is such a very handsome [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >www.weltonfamily.net/images/c2.jpg >www.weltonfamily.net/images/c3.jpg The poor little thing! This probably isn't too graphic considering what you described what the wound was like before. It's a miracle he survived. I can see why you're concerned about the size of that open wound - even hoomin surgeons sometimes have trouble finding a large enough flap of skin to cover a traumatized area. I wish his previous owners had cared as much as you do, instead of leaving him all alone with his pain for three years.
Charleen Welton - 10 Dec 2007 12:30 GMT Hi Tak, it is a miracle, not only that he survived, but that he is as good natured as he is. He is still skitish and afraid of people, loud noises and so on but he talks to me, for the first time he leaned into my hand for petting yesterday, is absolutely non-aggressive and without saying a word kind of comical. Helen and I haven't any idea how that wound can be treated. Her vet has seen the pictures and has some ideas, he is willing to talk to Dr. Mulero. There are so many people pulling and praying and purring for him. This just has to end well! Scritches to Buster and Dot.
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>>Please click on the links below to see the handsome gentleman, Four. >>Warning: some of the 3 pictures are graphic. He is such a very handsome [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > owners had cared as much as you do, instead of leaving him all alone > with his pain for three years. Steve Touchstone - 10 Dec 2007 10:31 GMT >The Story of a cat named Four. This is a long story, three years long! >Purrs for a happy ending to it. <snip>
purrs that you can catch him and get the wound treated. I sort of went through the same thing back before Rocky (RB) decided to trust me. A couple different times I managed to catch him and take him to TED when he had wounds that needed tending. The thing was that Rocky had once been caught in a trap, so each time I had to entice him inside and snatch him up and take him to TED. Lucky for me, once you managed to catch him and pick him up he stopped fighting and just went stiff legged. He was even easy to put into a carrier, because he wouldn't move as long as his feet were off the ground.
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Charleen Welton - 10 Dec 2007 12:45 GMT Thank you Steve. Yours is great information. Helen has had to hold my hand, not easy to do across an ocean! because of my concern about the actual trapping of Four. I was very concerned about picking him up considering that his claws had not been trimmed in three years and that while he trusts me-picking him up and putting him in a crate was a whole other ballgame. What we have decided to do is use a Hav-A-Hart trap for four or five days putting his meals in it with it not charged until the last day. On that day I will have made an appointment with the vet and will take him there in the trap. This takes care of the problem of me picking up, and the problem of the vet tech not having to reach into a crate and injure the neck wound getting him out and also allows the doctor to see the cat and the problem before handleing him. Helen suggested that if Four is really upset a shot could be administered through the trap. If that does not work, and it may not as we tried for weeks to trap him previously using a Have-A-Hart trap, I'll go to your plan. I'll let you know. Appreciate your purrs.
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>>The Story of a cat named Four. This is a long story, three years long! >>Purrs for a happy ending to it. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > legged. He was even easy to put into a carrier, because he wouldn't > move as long as his feet were off the ground. Steve Touchstone - 10 Dec 2007 15:00 GMT >Thank you Steve. Yours is great information. Helen has had to hold my hand, >not easy to do across an ocean! because of my concern about the actual [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >not as we tried for weeks to trap him previously using a Have-A-Hart trap, >I'll go to your plan. I'll let you know. Appreciate your purrs. A trap would have been my first choice, too. Unfortunately, Rocky was very smart when it came to traps. One of the neighbors told me that before I moved here Rocky was caught in a live trap set out for an opossum. Anyway, for as long as I knew him, he would not even go on the same side of a building where a trap was.
I remember boring the readers here with all my elaborate plans for enticing Rocky inside and putting him in the carrier. I had heavy gloves, a towel to wrap around him etc, and when it came time to do the deed it was all very anticlimactic. I just picked him up and put him in the carrier with no fuss at all. I think he may have just so surprised at being picked up (it was the first time I picked him up) that by the time he realized what was going on he was inside the carrier. OTOH, he never really outgrew that stiff legged response. Even after he was coming inside and jumping onto my lap, whenever he was picked up he went still and didn't struggle until he could touch the ground.
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Charleen Welton - 10 Dec 2007 16:03 GMT I have not heard of a cat with that stiff legged response before. Have you?
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> >>Thank you Steve. Yours is great information. Helen has had to hold my [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > was picked up he went still and didn't struggle until he could touch > the ground. Marina - 11 Dec 2007 04:53 GMT > I have not heard of a cat with that stiff legged response before. Have you? I haven't, but then the only cat I've known who wasn't used to being picked up since they were born was Nikki, and she was 8 weeks old when I got her, so she soon learned to be picked up. All the time. :)
And Steve, you didn't bore us when the saga of trapping Rocky was going on. On the contrary.
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Marina - 10 Dec 2007 14:13 GMT > Major, major Purrs and Prayers are requested for Four's successful capture > and that his vet exam shows him to be in basically good health and that his > injury can be treated in a manner that will result in swift healing and no > complications and that we can find him a forever home - either with me if he > is accepted by Aggie Marble, or by some doting slave who can treat him in > the manner he deserves. Oh, the poor boy! He is gorgeous, but that wound is nasty. Many many purrs on the way for him and for you. Thank you so much for helping this poor baby.
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Charleen Welton - 10 Dec 2007 16:10 GMT Thank you Marina. He is gorgeous and very personable beneath his fear. I have no idea of his age but am guessing he is between 5 and 10 years old. The vet will have a better idea. I've never seen a wound like that and haven't a clue as to how it can be treated. It doesn't appear to be painful. My wish for him is that he feels secure and loved. Thank you for the purrs, they will be put to good use!
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>> Major, major Purrs and Prayers are requested for Four's successful >> capture and that his vet exam shows him to be in basically good health [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > on the way for him and for you. Thank you so much for helping this poor > baby. Daniel Mahoney - 10 Dec 2007 19:14 GMT > The Story of a cat named Four. This is a long story, three years long! > Purrs for a happy ending to it. We're sending our best purrs that Four can be trapped, nursed back to health, and find his OneTrueHome.
Dan
Charleen Welton - 10 Dec 2007 19:36 GMT Thank you Dan and all for the purrs, they are in effect starting now. I just returned from Animal Control where I picked up the Have-A-Hart trap. Four doesn't stay here durning the day. He eats breakfast and except for an occassional grooming session and one nap he leaves. He returns sometimes in the evening for dinner after which he leaves again. When he is here for his next meal I will close the inside/outside door so he will be confined to the porch and put his meals in the trap which will not be charged until the end of the week then it will be charged. On Friday hopefully he will go in and the door will close so that I can safely wisk him off to the vet. Thank you for the purrs that will make everything work just purrrrrrfectly!
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>> The Story of a cat named Four. This is a long story, three years long! >> Purrs for a happy ending to it. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Dan leopardusweidii@yahoo.co.uk - 10 Dec 2007 19:55 GMT When he is here for his
> next meal I will close the inside/outside door so he will be confined to the > porch and put his meals in the trap which will not be charged until the end [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > -- > Charleen The crew is sending purrs en-route. And Miss Lily Whiskers is sending extra dribbly ones that the "cunning plan" works. :)
You know where I am!
Helen M
Charleen Welton - 10 Dec 2007 22:44 GMT Thank you Helen for all you have done and are doing. It was good talking to you today. I'll probably send you hourly reports!
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> When he is here for his >> next meal I will close the inside/outside door so he will be confined to [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Helen M bastXXXette@sonic.net - 10 Dec 2007 20:16 GMT > Thank you Dan and all for the purrs, they are in effect starting now. I just > returned from Animal Control where I picked up the Have-A-Hart trap. Four [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > the door will close so that I can safely wisk him off to the vet. Thank you > for the purrs that will make everything work just purrrrrrfectly! I'm not sure I understand the reason for keeping the trap uncharged for 4 days before finally charging it. Is it because the trap door might get triggered before he is completely inside the trap, and he'll get free of it, and then never go inside it again? You want to give him a chance to feel like it's safe to go in there and spend time in there before springing the trap?
Too bad they don't make a remote control to close the trap! Then you could watch from inside, and if you happened to catch him inside, you could get the door to shut without going out there and scaring him off.
Good luck!!
Joyce
leopardusweidii@yahoo.co.uk - 10 Dec 2007 20:56 GMT > I'm not sure I understand the reason for keeping the trap uncharged for > 4 days before finally charging it. Is it because the trap door might get > triggered before he is completely inside the trap, and he'll get free of > it, and then never go inside it again? You want to give him a chance to > feel like it's safe to go in there and spend time in there before springing > the trap? That's exactly the reason. Four is a very trap-savvy cat, and if Charleen can persuade him that it's relatively "safe" (i.e. he can get out) then he is more likely to go *IN* when she needs to trap spring it, if that makes sense? Also, the reason she is waiting until Friday to do it, is so that she has the time to speak to TED and for her TED to speak to my TED (a top feline specialist) in the UK.....
Helen M
bastXXXette@sonic.net - 10 Dec 2007 21:16 GMT >> I'm not sure I understand the reason for keeping the trap uncharged for >> 4 days before finally charging it. Is it because the trap door might get >> triggered before he is completely inside the trap, and he'll get free of >> it, and then never go inside it again? You want to give him a chance to >> feel like it's safe to go in there and spend time in there before springing >> the trap?
> That's exactly the reason. Four is a very trap-savvy cat, and if > Charleen can persuade him that it's relatively "safe" (i.e. he can get > out) then he is more likely to go *IN* when she needs to trap spring > it, if that makes sense? Also, the reason she is waiting until Friday > to do it, is so that she has the time to speak to TED and for her TED > to speak to my TED (a top feline specialist) in the UK..... Thanks for the explanation, Helen. Even though I evidently knew the answer already. :)
This is one lucky cat - he's getting international consultation on his case! :) I guess that balances the run of extremely bad luck he's had in the past.
Please keep us posted, Charleen!
Joyce
Charleen Welton - 10 Dec 2007 22:52 GMT Absolutly I will keep you updated. I am so concerned about this that I am just about a basket case. Between Helen's emails and phone calls and the purrs and support from all of you I will soldier through keeping my eye on the goal which is Four's health and welfare.
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> > >> I'm not sure I understand the reason for keeping the trap uncharged for [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Joyce GaDragonfly - 10 Dec 2007 22:16 GMT > Too bad they don't make a remote control to close the trap! Then you > could watch from inside, and if you happened to catch him inside, you [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Joyce The second time I tried to capture Lacey, after she bit me and ran off, she was savvy to the idea of the cat carrier and capture. One evening she had come into our garage and I realized I could at least contain her in a smaller area than outside by closing the garage door. Except she'd run as soon as I activated it. DH was working late so I had the entire garage and several hours to try to get her inside the trap. After about an hour of trying (and she kept coming back) I realized I could rig the garage door so that it was open only a few inches and put the food at the far side of the garage so she couldn't run to the door before it closed. Sure enough, she came back. I managed to get her to the food bowl, got the garage door closed and was considering the best way to get her into either the carrier or the hav-a-heart trap (I'd already caught a raccoon and a possum but not Lacey), when DH drove up and hit his garage door opener. She was gone in a heartbeat and it took me several more days before I could trap her in the garage again.
Charleen, lots of luck and purrs on the way for you to be able to capture Four and get him the vet care he needs.
Julie, Hobbes, Lacey, Sam and Barnabus
Charleen Welton - 10 Dec 2007 22:59 GMT Thanks for the story, I think! I'm glad you finally captured Lacey. You should have heard Helen and I on the phone today. We sounded like two military stratagists plotting a major offensive. Helen has an idea of the outline of my house and we were trying to decide with doors and which windows to close or open, which rooms Four could go in or out of, where the trap should be, in the laundry room or on the porch, no, he can not go into the garage we would never get him out of there! It was funny. We do have a good plan though and hopefully it will work smoothly. Helen assures me that it will and I believe her. Thanks for the Good Luck Wishes and Purrs.
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>> Too bad they don't make a remote control to close the trap! Then you >> could watch from inside, and if you happened to catch him inside, you [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Julie, Hobbes, Lacey, Sam and Barnabus bastXXXette@sonic.net - 11 Dec 2007 00:08 GMT > One > evening she had come into our garage and I realized I could at least [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > in a heartbeat and it took me several more days before I could trap > her in the garage again. AAARRRGGGHHH!!! I didn't see that one coming. :)
Joyce
Charleen Welton - 10 Dec 2007 22:48 GMT Exactly Joyce, exactly. Last year we tried to trap him and he wouldn't go any where near the trap. I'm hoping to make him comfortable around it and then he will go into it and finally on the evening before the day of the scheduled vet visit rig the trap to spring shut with him in it. A remote would be a grand idea; work it up and patent it and become rich!!
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> > Thank you Dan and all for the purrs, they are in effect starting now. I > > just [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > Joyce Daniel Mahoney - 10 Dec 2007 21:19 GMT > Thank you Dan and all for the purrs, they are in effect starting now. I just > returned from Animal Control where I picked up the Have-A-Hart trap. Four [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > the door will close so that I can safely wisk him off to the vet. Thank you > for the purrs that will make everything work just purrrrrrfectly! It's a little hard to tell from the photo, but one possible way that injury could have occurred would have been an encounter with a car or a motorcycle. If he was grabbed by a tire without being crushed, that kind of injury could easily result.
If muscle is indeed exposed, maybe the vet can use some of that surgical mesh they use to temporarily close burned areas.
Anyhow, Cat Four is going to be receiving non-stop purrs until something good happens.
Dan
Charleen Welton - 10 Dec 2007 23:09 GMT Wow Dan, I would not have thought that type of injury could have happened from a hit by a car or bike but it is certainly possible. It was much larger three years ago. It appears to try to heal around the edges but the new grown material turns black and falls off. A mesh would be the perfect answer to this injury as it is too wide to stich together. He is amazing as he appears to be healthy otherwise. I think, I have no way of knowing of course, but I think that his people may have given him the three year shot before he incurred his injury. He is quite a cat. Many thanks for all the Purrs and you will know what happens as soon as it happens.
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>> Thank you Dan and all for the purrs, they are in effect starting now. I >> just [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > Dan Ann - 10 Dec 2007 22:18 GMT Some cats will step over the trip lever in the trap. Put a sheet of news paper over it.
Ann
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> Thank you Dan and all for the purrs, they are in effect starting now. I > just returned from Animal Control where I picked up the Have-A-Hart trap. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >> >> Dan Charleen Welton - 10 Dec 2007 23:12 GMT Thank you Ann, I didn't know that. I appreciate any help I can get. Hopefully this will work out to Four best advantage.
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> Some cats will step over the trip lever in the trap. Put a sheet of news > paper over it. [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >>> >>> Dan Ann - 11 Dec 2007 14:50 GMT Someone told me to do that when I was going to trap the cats in my back yard 3 plus years ago. Samwise is one on them. Ann
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> Thank you Ann, I didn't know that. I appreciate any help I can get. > Hopefully this will work out to Four best advantage. [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >>>> >>>> Dan Stormmee - 11 Dec 2007 12:06 GMT have been following this, lots of purrs and prayers for all concerned, Lee
> Thank you Dan and all for the purrs, they are in effect starting now. I just > returned from Animal Control where I picked up the Have-A-Hart trap. Four [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > > > Dan Charleen Welton - 11 Dec 2007 21:20 GMT Thanks Lee. We need them. Things didn't workout well this morning. Better luck tomorrow. Please purr long and hard!
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> have been following this, lots of purrs and prayers for all concerned, Lee >> Thank you Dan and all for the purrs, they are in effect starting now. I [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] >> > >> > Dan Stormmee - 11 Dec 2007 22:28 GMT will do, you will get there, accept that and clam down or he will pick up your nerves, Lee
> Thanks Lee. We need them. Things didn't workout well this morning. Better > luck tomorrow. Please purr long and hard! [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > >> > > >> > Dan Adrian A - 10 Dec 2007 22:18 GMT <snip>
> Major, major Purrs and Prayers are requested for Four's successful > capture and that his vet exam shows him to be in basically good > health and that his injury can be treated in a manner that will > result in swift healing and no complications and that we can find him > a forever home - either with me if he is accepted by Aggie Marble, or > by some doting slave who can treat him in the manner he deserves. <snip>
Major purrs on the the way, you're doing a wonderful thing in helping Four.
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Charleen Welton - 10 Dec 2007 23:18 GMT Thanks Adrian but I'm not doing this alone. My husband, David, is being very patient and very understanding. Our roommate, Larry, is putting up with my tension. My cats think I'm nuts. Only you guys understand and continue to support this effort and I appreciate it so much!
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> <snip> >> Major, major Purrs and Prayers are requested for Four's successful [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Major purrs on the the way, you're doing a wonderful thing in helping > Four. Bettina - 12 Dec 2007 01:55 GMT > The Story of a cat named Four. This is a long story, three years long! > Purrs for a happy ending to it. [quoted text clipped - 88 lines] > The Spirit of Mr. Pumpkin > St. Cloud, Florida USA I just read your story about Four and I am so deeply touched. What this guy must have gone through. I keep all thumbs pressed that you succeed soon in getting him to the doctor. If all else fails couldn`t you use a net with a long handle on it like animal rescue worker do to get him by surprise? Not nice but maybe the last resort.
Then - hopefully he could stay at the vet clinic for one or two weeks until medication and treatment will show success and only then let him out again.
It might be possible to pay the vet by instalments. If it is time to talk money I`ll try to get some from animal rescue groups here in Germany. Could work out.
I so hope that you will be successful.
Love Bettina
Charleen Welton - 12 Dec 2007 12:18 GMT Thank you Bettina for your suggestion. If this idea of holding him on the porch and then taking him to the vet doesn't work out your idea will be considered. But, first of course, I have to try to contain him on the porch!! I'll be talking to the vet today to make arrangements for him to see Four. The vet has in the past told me he would come to the house to see Aggie when she was having problems with asthama, perhaps he could come to see Four just to get an idea of how to handle him and what is needed to treat that awful wound. Dr. Mulero is a wonderful man and a great vet. Today is Day Two in of the Capture Attempt, hopefully it will go better than Day One did.
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>> The Story of a cat named Four. This is a long story, three years long! >> Purrs for a happy ending to it. [quoted text clipped - 144 lines] > Love > Bettina
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