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Charleen Welton - 09 Dec 2007 20:47 GMT
The Story of a cat named Four.  This is a long story, three years long!
Purrs for a happy ending to it.

Three years ago a magnificent, truly magnificent, healthy, adult, male,
Maine Coon cat came into our Central Florida neighborhood to visit those of
us who were out working in the yard, bar-b-qing or sitting out. He did not
want anything , he was purely a social animal. He visited us and a real
treat for me is that he was a "talker." We had many wonderful
"conversations." He was apparently someone's cat as he was well fed and
groomed.

After months of his visiting he disappeared for about a week. When he
returned he had the most horrific injury I have every seen on a cat. The fur
and skin was torn from him from under his jaw to his shoulder and from the
top of his neck to just under his neck. This was down to the muscle.

At this point no one knew if his people abandoned him or if he, in his
fright, would not return to them for he became a "stray." A scab formed over
the injury which was a good thing. This took a long time though because of
the size of it. Unfortunately the scab came/fell/was ripped off. Another
scab formed and a massive, truly massive, infection set in under it. The cat's
head was misshaped and his shoulder and surrounding area swollen to terrible
proportions and shapes. At this point most of the neighbors had talked to
their vets and were told to shoo him away, keep him away from the family
cats for fear of disease. The scab fell off and the abscess drained. My
husband, David, our roommate, Larry and I tried for weeks to trap Four to
take him to the vet but he was too wily to be trapped.

By now two years had passed since that magnificent cat came to our
neighborhood. He would disappear and reappear. He was now, emaciated,
frightened, unwanted. I started feeding him. It took months to gain his
confidence. Up until 10 days ago he was coming into my porch every day for
breakfast and occasionally returning for dinner. He has been in the house,
the bedroom, living room and office and very comfortable in those rooms. He
is a cat that is used to a house and I believe he wants to live in one. I am
having an issue with my 13 year old, spayed, female, Aggie Marble. When he
comes in she urinates inappropriately. Helen Miles is helping me deal with
this issue.

We live 22 miles from Disney World and some of the houses in this area are
second homes to people from the northern United States who come here during
the winter. Four has stopped coming here and David and I found out Sunday
that he is staying with a Snowbird family who is feeding him and we think
sheltering him. I believe that when he was disappearing that he was being
fed by these families and he would reappear when they left to return to
their Northern homes.

He is an incredible cat; when you think of all that he has endured over
three years as far as how he used to live and then had to live, the physical
problems he's gone through, the trust issues his kitty brain has had to sort
out. The wound has not healed, it is still open although smaller than it was
originally was. He deserves much better than what he has now and I hope with
all my heart I can see that he gets it.

Four returned here two days ago for his meals. Helen Miles has been a huge
help to me. Please think Positive Vibes as we implement a plan to get Four
trapped and to the vet within a week.  One of the times when he is eating I
will close the inside/outside door so that he is confined to the large
safe-for-him porch.  A Have -a-Hart trap will be in place. I will feed him
for four days in the trap. On the fifth day I will rig the trap to close
when he is in it and whisk Four away to our fantastically wonderful and most
understanding vet, Dr. Mulero.  Hopefully Four's injury can be taken care of
with a minimum of discomfort/pain to him and a through exam will show him to
be healthy. The injury may be difficult to deal with and a stay at the vets
for a couple of days is a possibility. If we are able to get him vet care a
relative has told me that he will help pay some of the vet bill as that may
be a problem, I'm thankful for that, but I am worrying about the cost of the
rest. Still, we'll cross that bridge when we get to it - first we have to
get Four and get him treated.

Major, major Purrs and Prayers are requested for Four's successful capture
and that his vet exam shows him to be in basically good health and that his
injury can be treated in a manner that will result in swift healing and no
complications and that we can find him a forever home - either with me if he
is accepted by Aggie Marble, or by some doting slave who can treat him in
the manner he deserves.

Please click on the links below to see the handsome gentleman, Four.
Warning: some of the 3 pictures are graphic. He is such a very handsome
boy!!

www.weltonfamily.net/images/c1.jpg

www.weltonfamily.net/images/c2.jpg

www.weltonfamily.net/images/c3.jpg

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Charleen
Aggie Marble, Victor Velcro
The Spirit of Mr. Pumpkin
St. Cloud, Florida USA

bastXXXette@sonic.net - 09 Dec 2007 21:05 GMT
> The Story of a cat named Four.  This is a long story, three years long!
> Purrs for a happy ending to it.

> Major, major Purrs and Prayers are requested for Four's successful capture
> and that his vet exam shows him to be in basically good health and that his
> injury can be treated in a manner that will result in swift healing and no
> complications and that we can find him a forever home - either with me if he
> is accepted by Aggie Marble, or by some doting slave who can treat him in
> the manner he deserves.

The poor thing!! :(  I wonder why he is so untrusting, considering that
he was a very social, friendly cat initially? Makes me wonder what happened
to cause such a terrible injury.

Major purrs for you to capture him successfully and get him fixed up. He
just looks so sad in those pictures. I want to see a photo of him with a
contented expression, one of these days.

Joyce
Charleen Welton - 09 Dec 2007 21:37 GMT
I hope to be able to send a "contended" picture in a while!  I suspect it
was a racoon that injured him, but of course I have no way of knowing for
sure. I believe his is so untrusting because people have been chasing him
away for these three years.  He warms up to me for a short while, I can pet
him then he runs out the door.
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Charleen
Aggie Marble, Victor Velcro
The Spirit of Mr. Pumpkin
St. Cloud, Florida USA

> > The Story of a cat named Four.  This is a long story, three years long!
> > Purrs for a happy ending to it.
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>
> Joyce
Kreisleriana - 09 Dec 2007 21:20 GMT
> The Story of a cat named Four.  This is a long story, three years long!
> Purrs for a happy ending to it.
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> www.weltonfamily.net/images/c3.jpg

He is absolutely splendid!  Big big purrs for his recovery.
Charleen Welton - 09 Dec 2007 23:06 GMT
He is indeed a splendid cat. Thank you for your Big Purrs, so much has to go
right for it work out so that he is caught safety and cared for properly.
He is slowly, very slowly turning in to a love bug!
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Charleen
Aggie Marble, Victor Velcro
The Spirit of Mr. Pumpkin
St. Cloud, Florida USA

>> The Story of a cat named Four.  This is a long story, three years long!
>> Purrs for a happy ending to it.
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>
> He is absolutely splendid!  Big big purrs for his recovery.
Karen - 09 Dec 2007 22:36 GMT
> The Story of a cat named Four.  This is a long story, three years long!
> Purrs for a happy ending to it.
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>
> www.weltonfamily.net/images/c3.jpg

Mega purrs for a successful trap. Poor guy.
Charleen Welton - 09 Dec 2007 23:09 GMT
Thank you Karen, I'm so concerned about the actual trapping. He now trusts
me and I go do this to him!!  He, of course, doesn't know it is for the
best.  We need all the purrs you can spare that this is successful and it
works out in the long run.  Thanks.
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Charleen
Aggie Marble, Victor Velcro
The Spirit of Mr. Pumpkin
St. Cloud, Florida USA

>> The Story of a cat named Four.  This is a long story, three years long!
>> Purrs for a happy ending to it.
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>
> Mega purrs for a successful trap. Poor guy.
Dewi - 09 Dec 2007 23:58 GMT
Oops, I was half way through writing a response and I think I posted
it! So if a weird or repetitive response appears from me, that'll be
why.

Anyhow... do you have a secure place to put Four after you trap him
and take him to the vets (like your porch or a garage)? That will
prevent him from running away whilst he's scared. After a while (even
up to a month or two) he would have settled down and he can be given
outside access... assuming you want to give him outside access.

I've trapped 2 totally feral, unfriendly, old tom cats who I went on
to adopt. Both went into my cat enclosure after they were trapped and
seen by the vet. One became friendly after about 2 months and the
other become tolerant but never friendly. They settled in really well
after a couple months and even though I never let them out again,
there were two occasions when the enclosure gate wasn't shut properly.
All my other cats wandered out, except for the 2 ex-toms who showed no
interest. So there's a good chance Four will forgive you and settle in
once he's seen the vet.

Dewi

> Thank you Karen, I'm so concerned about the actual trapping. He now trusts
> me and I go do this to him!!  He, of course, doesn't know it is for the
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> The Spirit of Mr. Pumpkin
> St. Cloud, Florida USA
Charleen Welton - 10 Dec 2007 01:22 GMT
Hey Dewi, I found your other post and combined the two. There is no doubt
that he needs antibiotics.  The big problem is that the wound is open and
has been for almost three years. It is open to the muscle.  Helen's vet has
seen the photo's also and is available to my vet for consultation. Darn nice
of Helen and Michael, her vet.  How the wound can be closed or covered is
the problem. Four will come home with me after his visit to the vet. He is
comfortable on the porch and with Victor Velcro. Aggie Marble is the
problem, although she is less stressed now than she was a month ago.  Your
experiences with the cats you captured have given me hope that all will turn
out well for Four.  Thank you for them and the purrs.
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Charleen
Aggie Marble, Victor Velcro
The Spirit of Mr. Pumpkin
St. Cloud, Florida USA

> Oops, I was half way through writing a response and I think I posted
> it! So if a weird or repetitive response appears from me, that'll be
> why.

Definately sending major purrs for Four. I do hope you capture him
soon and that he finds a good home soon. Although the photos don't
show the full extent of his injury, maybe all he needs are some
antibiotics. Best of luck with this rescue. :)

Dewi

> Anyhow... do you have a secure place to put Four after you trap him
> and take him to the vets (like your porch or a garage)? That will
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>> The Spirit of Mr. Pumpkin
>> St. Cloud, Florida USA
Adrian A - 10 Dec 2007 22:27 GMT
> Thank you Karen, I'm so concerned about the actual trapping. He now
> trusts me and I go do this to him!!  He, of course, doesn't know it
> is for the best.  We need all the purrs you can spare that this is
> successful and it works out in the long run.  Thanks.

I had the same worries when I trapped Shadow earlier this year so I could
take him to be neautered. He was a little more wary for a few weeks but
lately he's been getting bolder and friendlier. He meowed for the very first
time today because his dish was empty.

Given time and patience I'm sure Four will become a loving owner to you and
David.
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Charleen Welton - 10 Dec 2007 23:23 GMT
Adrian you addressed an issue I've only talked to Helen breifly about and
that is what happens after Four comes home from the vets. She explained that
he should stay in, with which I agree. He was formally a home kitty as he is
very comfortable in the house.  Hopefully Aggie Marble will adjust well, she
has issues now. Victor is doing quite well with Four. Four is totally and
absolutly non-aggressive. Did Shadow's intergration go smoothly?
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Charleen
Aggie Marble, Victor Velcro
The Spirit of Mr. Pumpkin
St. Cloud, Florida USA

>> Thank you Karen, I'm so concerned about the actual trapping. He now
>> trusts me and I go do this to him!!  He, of course, doesn't know it
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> Given time and patience I'm sure Four will become a loving owner to you
> and David.
Adrian A - 11 Dec 2007 11:19 GMT
> Adrian you addressed an issue I've only talked to Helen breifly about
> and that is what happens after Four comes home from the vets. She
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> well with Four. Four is totally and absolutly non-aggressive. Did
> Shadow's intergration go smoothly?

Shadow has only been in the house a couple of times for short visits, I'm
taking things very slowley and letting him set the pace. I think he'll be
fine with Baggy, I'm not so sure about Snoopy, she doesn't like other cats
but so far she hasn't gone for Shadow.

Baggy's tried to get him to play but he just looks confused.
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Cats leave pawprints on your heart
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Yowie - 09 Dec 2007 23:06 GMT
> The Story of a cat named Four.  This is a long story, three years long!
> Purrs for a happy ending to it.
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> "conversations." He was apparently someone's cat as he was well fed and
> groomed.

<snip>

> Major, major Purrs and Prayers are requested for Four's successful capture
> and that his vet exam shows him to be in basically good health and that
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Warning: some of the 3 pictures are graphic. He is such a very handsome
> boy!!

Purrs for a successful capture and good diagnosis at the the vet. Please
keep us updated.

Yowie
Charleen Welton - 10 Dec 2007 01:05 GMT
I sure will keep you updated. He is quite an amazing cat. He started talking
again last week, it was wonderful to hear him although he was quite pushy!
He was telling me to "Hurry up, I want breakfast now, I'm hungry, can't you
move any faster that that?"
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Charleen
Aggie Marble, Victor Velcro
The Spirit of Mr. Pumpkin
St. Cloud, Florida USA

>> The Story of a cat named Four.  This is a long story, three years long!
>> Purrs for a happy ending to it.
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>
> Yowie
Suz - 11 Dec 2007 17:27 GMT
> > The Story of a cat named Four. �This is a long story, three years long!
> > Purrs for a happy ending to it.
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>
> Yowie

Spicey sends purrs south. He has such a handsome face. I avoided the
graphic pics.

Suz&Spicey
Charleen Welton - 11 Dec 2007 21:26 GMT
Hi Suz, he is a truly handsome cat and he has a wonderful personality.  I
love having conversations with him. You would think we knew what we were
talking about. This morning didn't work out well, he sure did take me by
surprise. See the "report."  The pictures are not terrible but if an injured
cat upsets you I can understand why you, or anyone wouldn't want to look at
them. Talk to you later. Scritches to Spicey.
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Charleen
Aggie Marble, Victor Velcro
The Spirit of Mr. Pumpkin
St. Cloud, Florida USA

On Dec 9, 6:06?pm, "Yowie" <yowie9644.DIESPAM...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> "Charleen Welton" <ilikec...@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
>
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>
> Yowie

Spicey sends purrs south. He has such a handsome face. I avoided the
graphic pics.

Suz&Spicey
Matthew - 09 Dec 2007 23:16 GMT
PURRS AND PRAYERS IN ROUTE
I got the pack singing up a storm ;-)

> The Story of a cat named Four.  This is a long story, three years long!
> Purrs for a happy ending to it.
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>
> www.weltonfamily.net/images/c3.jpg
Charleen Welton - 10 Dec 2007 01:08 GMT
Matthew and The Pack thank you so much.  We need all the purrs we can get.
This is quite an emotional event.  It has been going on for so long, it
needs to end well.
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Charleen
Aggie Marble, Victor Velcro
The Spirit of Mr. Pumpkin
St. Cloud, Florida USA

> PURRS AND PRAYERS IN ROUTE
> I got the pack singing up a storm ;-)
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>>
>> www.weltonfamily.net/images/c3.jpg
Victor Martinez - 09 Dec 2007 23:21 GMT
> Please click on the links below to see the handsome gentleman, Four.
> Warning: some of the 3 pictures are graphic. He is such a very handsome
> boy!!

Lots of purrs that you can take him to the vet!!!

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Charleen Welton - 10 Dec 2007 01:12 GMT
Thanks Victor.  The vet is soooo good. The concern is great, shared by both
Helen and I, that the wound on his neck that hasn't closed in the years that
have passed is such that we can't imagine what kind of care he needs to
heal it. Dr. Mulero will take care of him the best way possible.
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Charleen
Aggie Marble, Victor Velcro
The Spirit of Mr. Pumpkin
St. Cloud, Florida USA

>> Please click on the links below to see the handsome gentleman, Four.
>> Warning: some of the 3 pictures are graphic. He is such a very handsome
>> boy!!
>
> Lots of purrs that you can take him to the vet!!!
Dewi - 09 Dec 2007 23:32 GMT
Definately sending major purrs for Four. I do hope you capture him
soon and that he finds a good home soon. Although the photos don't
show the full extent of his injury, maybe all he needs are some
antibiotics. Best of luck with this rescue. :)

Dewi
Ann - 10 Dec 2007 02:23 GMT
Purrs on the way.
Ann

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> The Story of a cat named Four.  This is a long story, three years long!
> Purrs for a happy ending to it.
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>
> www.weltonfamily.net/images/c3.jpg
Charleen Welton - 10 Dec 2007 12:10 GMT
Thank you Ann, we need all we can get. It is early morning here as I write
this. I looked out my office window to see if Four had arrived and there he
was sitting quitely and like the gentleman that he is with his fluffly tail
wrapped around him waiting for his breakfast. Caring for him is more than
feeling sorry for him, he is charming and endearing. Your purrs will help
speed his eventful week. Thank you.
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Charleen
Aggie Marble, Victor Velcro
The Spirit of Mr. Pumpkin
St. Cloud, Florida USA

> Purrs on the way.
> Ann
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>> www.weltonfamily.net/images/c3.jpg
Gandalf - 10 Dec 2007 06:34 GMT
My bet is that he was injured by humans, intentionally or not. (I sure
hope it wan't intentional). Hence his fear of people, contrary to before
he was injured.

Bless you for looking out for him, and taking on the big responsibility
of getting him treated and back to good health.

Big get well purrs on the way.

~~~~~~~~~~~~
"Life without cats would be only marginally worth living."
-TC, and the unmercifully, relentlessly, sweet calico kitty, Kenzie.

How you behave towards cats here below determines your status in Heaven.
- Robert Heinlein

Life is very difficult. Once you understand that, life becomes easier.
-Buddha
Charleen Welton - 10 Dec 2007 12:19 GMT
It is just an awful thought that human beings can do the things they do to
animals and other human beings but the reality is that they do;  what you
state is very, very possible. I'm so concern about damaging his trust again
when I trap him and then take him to the vet where it is strange and he will
be handled by strangers.  There is no other way though. I can only hope that
the relationship is strong enough now that he will return to me.   Thank you
for your kind words and Big Get Well Purrs
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Charleen
Aggie Marble, Victor Velcro
The Spirit of Mr. Pumpkin
St. Cloud, Florida USA

> My bet is that he was injured by humans, intentionally or not. (I sure
> hope it wan't intentional). Hence his fear of people, contrary to before
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> Life is very difficult. Once you understand that, life becomes easier.
> -Buddha
Takayuki - 10 Dec 2007 06:52 GMT
>Please click on the links below to see the handsome gentleman, Four.
>Warning: some of the 3 pictures are graphic. He is such a very handsome
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>www.weltonfamily.net/images/c2.jpg
>www.weltonfamily.net/images/c3.jpg

The poor little thing!  This probably isn't too graphic considering
what you described what the wound was like before.  It's a miracle he
survived.  I can see why you're concerned about the size of that open
wound - even hoomin surgeons sometimes have trouble finding a large
enough flap of skin to cover a traumatized area.  I wish his previous
owners had cared as much as you do, instead of leaving him all alone
with his pain for three years.
Charleen Welton - 10 Dec 2007 12:30 GMT
Hi Tak, it is a miracle, not only that he survived, but that he is as good
natured as he is. He is still skitish and afraid of people, loud noises and
so on but he talks to me, for the first time he leaned into my hand for
petting yesterday, is absolutely non-aggressive and without saying a word
kind of comical. Helen and I haven't any idea how that wound can be treated.
Her vet has seen the pictures and has some ideas, he is willing to talk to
Dr. Mulero. There are so many people pulling and praying and purring for
him. This just has to end well!  Scritches to Buster and Dot.
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Charleen
Aggie Marble, Victor Velcro
The Spirit of Mr. Pumpkin
St. Cloud, Florida USA

>>Please click on the links below to see the handsome gentleman, Four.
>>Warning: some of the 3 pictures are graphic. He is such a very handsome
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> owners had cared as much as you do, instead of leaving him all alone
> with his pain for three years.
Steve Touchstone - 10 Dec 2007 10:31 GMT
>The Story of a cat named Four.  This is a long story, three years long!
>Purrs for a happy ending to it.
<snip>

purrs that you can catch him and get the wound treated. I sort of went
through the same thing back before Rocky (RB) decided to trust me. A
couple different times I managed to catch him and take him to TED when
he had wounds that needed tending. The thing was that Rocky had once
been caught in a trap, so each time I had to entice him inside and
snatch him up and take him to TED. Lucky for me, once you managed to
catch him and pick him up he stopped fighting and just went stiff
legged. He was even easy to put into a carrier, because he wouldn't
move as long as his feet were off the ground.
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Steve Touchstone,
faithful servant of Sammy, Little Bit, Spot,
Princess and Furby
with loving memories of Rocky (RB)

Charleen Welton - 10 Dec 2007 12:45 GMT
Thank you Steve. Yours is great information. Helen has had to hold my hand,
not easy to do across an ocean! because of my concern about the actual
trapping of Four. I was very concerned about picking him up considering that
his claws had not been trimmed in three years and that while he trusts
me-picking him up and putting him in a crate was a whole other ballgame.
What we have decided to do is use a Hav-A-Hart trap for four or five days
putting his meals in it with it not charged until the last day. On that day
I will have made an appointment with the vet and will take him there in the
trap.  This takes care of the problem of me picking up, and the problem of
the vet tech not having to reach into a crate and injure the neck wound
getting him out and also allows the doctor to see the cat and the problem
before handleing him. Helen suggested that if Four is really upset a shot
could be administered through the trap.  If that does not work, and it may
not as we tried for weeks to trap him previously using a Have-A-Hart trap,
I'll go to your plan.  I'll let you know.  Appreciate your purrs.
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Charleen
Aggie Marble, Victor Velcro
The Spirit of Mr. Pumpkin
St. Cloud, Florida USA

>>The Story of a cat named Four.  This is a long story, three years long!
>>Purrs for a happy ending to it.
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> legged. He was even easy to put into a carrier, because he wouldn't
> move as long as his feet were off the ground.
Steve Touchstone - 10 Dec 2007 15:00 GMT
>Thank you Steve. Yours is great information. Helen has had to hold my hand,
>not easy to do across an ocean! because of my concern about the actual
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>not as we tried for weeks to trap him previously using a Have-A-Hart trap,
>I'll go to your plan.  I'll let you know.  Appreciate your purrs.

A trap would have been my first choice, too. Unfortunately, Rocky was
very smart when it came to traps. One of the neighbors told me that
before I moved here Rocky was caught in a live trap set out for an
opossum. Anyway, for as long as I knew him, he would not even go on
the same side of a building where a trap was.

I remember boring the readers here with all my elaborate plans for
enticing Rocky inside and putting him in the carrier. I had heavy
gloves, a towel to wrap around him etc, and when it came time to do
the deed it was all very anticlimactic. I just picked him up and put
him in the carrier with no fuss at all. I think he may have just so
surprised at being picked up (it was the first time I picked him up)
that by the time he realized what was going on he was inside the
carrier. OTOH, he never really outgrew that stiff legged response.
Even after he was coming inside and jumping onto my lap, whenever he
was picked up he went still and didn't struggle until he could touch
the ground.
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Steve Touchstone,
faithful servant of Sammy, Little Bit, Spot,
Princess and Furby
with loving memories of Rocky (RB)

Charleen Welton - 10 Dec 2007 16:03 GMT
I have not heard of a cat with that stiff legged response before. Have you?
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Charleen
Aggie Marble, Victor Velcro
The Spirit of Mr. Pumpkin
St. Cloud, Florida USA

>
>>Thank you Steve. Yours is great information. Helen has had to hold my
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> was picked up he went still and didn't struggle until he could touch
> the ground.
Marina - 11 Dec 2007 04:53 GMT
> I have not heard of a cat with that stiff legged response before. Have you?

I haven't, but then the only cat I've known who wasn't used to being
picked up since they were born was Nikki, and she was 8 weeks old when I
got her, so she soon learned to be picked up. All the time. :)

And Steve, you didn't bore us when the saga of trapping Rocky was going
on. On the contrary.

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Marina

Marina - 10 Dec 2007 14:13 GMT
> Major, major Purrs and Prayers are requested for Four's successful capture
> and that his vet exam shows him to be in basically good health and that his
> injury can be treated in a manner that will result in swift healing and no
> complications and that we can find him a forever home - either with me if he
> is accepted by Aggie Marble, or by some doting slave who can treat him in
> the manner he deserves.

Oh, the poor boy! He is gorgeous, but that wound is nasty. Many many
purrs on the way for him and for you. Thank you so much for helping this
poor baby.

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Marina, Miranda and Caliban

Charleen Welton - 10 Dec 2007 16:10 GMT
Thank you Marina.  He is gorgeous and very personable beneath his fear. I
have no idea of his age but am guessing he is between 5 and 10 years old.
The vet will have a better idea. I've never seen a wound like that and
haven't a clue as to how it can be treated. It doesn't appear to be painful.
My wish for him is that he feels secure and loved. Thank you for the purrs,
they will be put to good use!
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Charleen
Aggie Marble, Victor Velcro
The Spirit of Mr. Pumpkin
St. Cloud, Florida USA

>> Major, major Purrs and Prayers are requested for Four's successful
>> capture and that his vet exam shows him to be in basically good health
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> on the way for him and for you. Thank you so much for helping this poor
> baby.
Daniel Mahoney - 10 Dec 2007 19:14 GMT
> The Story of a cat named Four.  This is a long story, three years long!
> Purrs for a happy ending to it.

We're sending our best purrs that Four can be trapped, nursed back to
health, and find his OneTrueHome.

Dan
Charleen Welton - 10 Dec 2007 19:36 GMT
Thank you Dan and all for the purrs, they are in effect starting now. I just
returned from Animal Control where I picked up the Have-A-Hart trap. Four
doesn't stay here durning the day. He eats breakfast and except for an
occassional grooming session and one nap he leaves. He returns sometimes in
the evening for dinner after which he leaves again.  When he is here for his
next meal I will close the inside/outside door so he will be confined to the
porch and put his meals in the trap which will not be charged until the end
of the week then it will be charged. On Friday hopefully he will go in and
the door will close so that I can safely wisk him off to the vet. Thank you
for the purrs that will make everything work just purrrrrrfectly!
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Charleen
Aggie Marble, Victor Velcro
The Spirit of Mr. Pumpkin
St. Cloud, Florida USA

>> The Story of a cat named Four.  This is a long story, three years long!
>> Purrs for a happy ending to it.
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>
> Dan
leopardusweidii@yahoo.co.uk - 10 Dec 2007 19:55 GMT
When he is here for his
> next meal I will close the inside/outside door so he will be confined to the
> porch and put his meals in the trap which will not be charged until the end
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> --
> Charleen

The crew is sending purrs en-route. And Miss Lily Whiskers is sending
extra dribbly ones that the "cunning plan" works. :)

You know where I am!

Helen M
Charleen Welton - 10 Dec 2007 22:44 GMT
Thank you Helen for all you have done and are doing. It was good talking to
you today. I'll probably send you hourly reports!
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Charleen
Aggie Marble, Victor Velcro
The Spirit of Mr. Pumpkin
St. Cloud, Florida USA

>  When he is here for his
>> next meal I will close the inside/outside door so he will be confined to
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>
> Helen M
bastXXXette@sonic.net - 10 Dec 2007 20:16 GMT
> Thank you Dan and all for the purrs, they are in effect starting now. I just
> returned from Animal Control where I picked up the Have-A-Hart trap. Four
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> the door will close so that I can safely wisk him off to the vet. Thank you
> for the purrs that will make everything work just purrrrrrfectly!

I'm not sure I understand the reason for keeping the trap uncharged for
4 days before finally charging it. Is it because the trap door might get
triggered before he is completely inside the trap, and he'll get free of
it, and then never go inside it again? You want to give him a chance to
feel like it's safe to go in there and spend time in there before springing
the trap?

Too bad they don't make a remote control to close the trap! Then you
could watch from inside, and if you happened to catch him inside, you
could get the door to shut without going out there and scaring him off.

Good luck!!

Joyce
leopardusweidii@yahoo.co.uk - 10 Dec 2007 20:56 GMT
> I'm not sure I understand the reason for keeping the trap uncharged for
> 4 days before finally charging it. Is it because the trap door might get
> triggered before he is completely inside the trap, and he'll get free of
> it, and then never go inside it again? You want to give him a chance to
> feel like it's safe to go in there and spend time in there before springing
> the trap?

That's exactly the reason. Four is a very trap-savvy cat, and if
Charleen can persuade him that it's relatively "safe" (i.e. he can get
out) then he is more likely to go *IN* when she needs to trap spring
it, if that makes sense? Also, the reason she is waiting until Friday
to do it, is so that she has the time to speak to TED and for her TED
to speak to my TED (a top feline specialist) in the UK.....

Helen M
bastXXXette@sonic.net - 10 Dec 2007 21:16 GMT
>> I'm not sure I understand the reason for keeping the trap uncharged for
>> 4 days before finally charging it. Is it because the trap door might get
>> triggered before he is completely inside the trap, and he'll get free of
>> it, and then never go inside it again? You want to give him a chance to
>> feel like it's safe to go in there and spend time in there before springing
>> the trap?

> That's exactly the reason. Four is a very trap-savvy cat, and if
> Charleen can persuade him that it's relatively "safe" (i.e. he can get
> out) then he is more likely to go *IN* when she needs to trap spring
> it, if that makes sense? Also, the reason she is waiting until Friday
> to do it, is so that she has the time to speak to TED and for her TED
> to speak to my TED (a top feline specialist) in the UK.....

Thanks for the explanation, Helen. Even though I evidently knew the
answer already. :)

This is one lucky cat - he's getting international consultation on his
case! :) I guess that balances the run of extremely bad luck he's had
in the past.

Please keep us posted, Charleen!

Joyce
Charleen Welton - 10 Dec 2007 22:52 GMT
Absolutly I will keep you updated. I am so concerned about this that I am
just about a basket case.  Between Helen's emails and phone calls and the
purrs and support from all of you I will soldier through keeping my eye on
the goal which is Four's health and welfare.
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Charleen
Aggie Marble, Victor Velcro
The Spirit of Mr. Pumpkin
St. Cloud, Florida USA

>
> >> I'm not sure I understand the reason for keeping the trap uncharged for
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>
> Joyce
GaDragonfly - 10 Dec 2007 22:16 GMT
> Too bad they don't make a remote control to close the trap! Then you
> could watch from inside, and if you happened to catch him inside, you
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>
> Joyce

The second time I tried to capture Lacey, after she bit me and ran
off, she was savvy to the idea of the cat carrier and capture. One
evening she had come into our garage and I realized I could at least
contain her in a smaller area than outside by closing the garage door.
Except she'd run as soon as I activated it.  DH was working late so I
had the entire garage and several hours to try to get her inside the
trap.  After about an hour of trying (and she kept coming back) I
realized I could rig the garage door so that it was open only a few
inches and put the food at the far side of the garage so she couldn't
run to the door before it closed.  Sure enough, she came back. I
managed to get her to the food bowl, got the garage door closed and
was considering the best way to get her into either the carrier or the
hav-a-heart trap (I'd already caught a raccoon and a possum but not
Lacey), when DH drove up and hit his garage door opener.  She was gone
in a heartbeat and it took me several more days before I could trap
her in the garage again.

Charleen, lots of luck and purrs on the way for you to be able to
capture Four and get him the vet care he needs.

Julie, Hobbes, Lacey, Sam and Barnabus
Charleen Welton - 10 Dec 2007 22:59 GMT
Thanks for the story, I think!  I'm glad you finally captured Lacey. You
should have heard Helen and I on the phone today. We sounded like two
military stratagists plotting a major offensive.  Helen has an idea of the
outline of my house and we were trying to decide with doors and which
windows to close or open, which rooms Four could go in or out of, where the
trap should be, in the laundry room or on the porch, no, he can not go into
the garage we would never get him out of there! It was funny. We do have a
good plan though and hopefully it will work smoothly. Helen assures me that
it will and I believe her. Thanks for the Good Luck Wishes and Purrs.
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Charleen
Aggie Marble, Victor Velcro
The Spirit of Mr. Pumpkin
St. Cloud, Florida USA

>> Too bad they don't make a remote control to close the trap! Then you
>> could watch from inside, and if you happened to catch him inside, you
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>
> Julie, Hobbes, Lacey, Sam and Barnabus
bastXXXette@sonic.net - 11 Dec 2007 00:08 GMT
> One
> evening she had come into our garage and I realized I could at least
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> in a heartbeat and it took me several more days before I could trap
> her in the garage again.

AAARRRGGGHHH!!! I didn't see that one coming. :)

Joyce
Charleen Welton - 10 Dec 2007 22:48 GMT
Exactly Joyce, exactly. Last year we tried to trap him and he wouldn't go
any where near the trap. I'm hoping to make him comfortable around it and
then he will go into it and finally on the evening before the day of the
scheduled vet visit rig the trap to spring shut with him in it. A remote
would be a grand idea; work it up and patent it and become rich!!
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Charleen
Aggie Marble, Victor Velcro
The Spirit of Mr. Pumpkin
St. Cloud, Florida USA

> > Thank you Dan and all for the purrs, they are in effect starting now. I
> > just
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>
> Joyce
Daniel Mahoney - 10 Dec 2007 21:19 GMT
> Thank you Dan and all for the purrs, they are in effect starting now. I just
> returned from Animal Control where I picked up the Have-A-Hart trap. Four
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> the door will close so that I can safely wisk him off to the vet. Thank you
> for the purrs that will make everything work just purrrrrrfectly!

It's a little hard to tell from the photo, but one possible way that
injury could have occurred would have been an encounter with a car or a
motorcycle. If he was grabbed by a tire without being crushed, that
kind of injury could easily result.

If muscle is indeed exposed, maybe the vet can use some of that surgical
mesh they use to temporarily close burned areas.

Anyhow, Cat Four is going to be receiving non-stop purrs until something
good happens.

Dan
Charleen Welton - 10 Dec 2007 23:09 GMT
Wow Dan, I would not have thought that type of injury could have happened
from a hit by a car or bike but it is certainly possible.  It was much
larger three years ago. It appears to try to heal around the edges but the
new grown material turns black and falls off. A mesh would be the perfect
answer to this injury as it is too wide to stich together. He is amazing as
he appears to be healthy otherwise. I think, I have no way of knowing of
course, but I think that his people may have given him the three year shot
before he incurred his injury.  He is quite a cat. Many thanks for all the
Purrs and you will know what happens as soon as it happens.
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Charleen
Aggie Marble, Victor Velcro
The Spirit of Mr. Pumpkin
St. Cloud, Florida USA

>> Thank you Dan and all for the purrs, they are in effect starting now. I
>> just
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>
> Dan
Ann - 10 Dec 2007 22:18 GMT
Some cats will step over the trip lever in the trap. Put a sheet of news
paper over it.

Ann

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read Sam's blog at http://kittens-3.blogspot.com/

> Thank you Dan and all for the purrs, they are in effect starting now. I
> just returned from Animal Control where I picked up the Have-A-Hart trap.
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>>
>> Dan
Charleen Welton - 10 Dec 2007 23:12 GMT
Thank you Ann, I didn't know that. I appreciate any help I can get.
Hopefully this will work out to Four best advantage.
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Charleen
Aggie Marble, Victor Velcro
The Spirit of Mr. Pumpkin
St. Cloud, Florida USA

> Some cats will step over the trip lever in the trap. Put a sheet of news
> paper over it.
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>>>
>>> Dan
Ann - 11 Dec 2007 14:50 GMT
Someone told me to do that when I was going to trap the cats in my back yard
3 plus years ago. Samwise is one on them.
Ann

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read Sam's blog at http://kittens-3.blogspot.com/

> Thank you Ann, I didn't know that. I appreciate any help I can get.
> Hopefully this will work out to Four best advantage.
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>>>>
>>>> Dan
Stormmee - 11 Dec 2007 12:06 GMT
have been following this, lots of purrs and prayers for all concerned, Lee
> Thank you Dan and all for the purrs, they are in effect starting now. I just
> returned from Animal Control where I picked up the Have-A-Hart trap. Four
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> >
> > Dan
Charleen Welton - 11 Dec 2007 21:20 GMT
Thanks Lee.  We need them.  Things didn't workout well this morning. Better
luck tomorrow. Please purr long and hard!
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Charleen
Aggie Marble, Victor Velcro
The Spirit of Mr. Pumpkin
St. Cloud, Florida USA

> have been following this, lots of purrs and prayers for all concerned, Lee
>> Thank you Dan and all for the purrs, they are in effect starting now. I
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>> >
>> > Dan
Stormmee - 11 Dec 2007 22:28 GMT
will do, you will get there, accept that and clam down or he will pick up
your nerves, Lee
> Thanks Lee.  We need them.  Things didn't workout well this morning. Better
> luck tomorrow. Please purr long and hard!
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> >> >
> >> > Dan
Adrian A - 10 Dec 2007 22:18 GMT
<snip>
> Major, major Purrs and Prayers are requested for Four's successful
> capture and that his vet exam shows him to be in basically good
> health and that his injury can be treated in a manner that will
> result in swift healing and no complications and that we can find him
> a forever home - either with me if he is accepted by Aggie Marble, or
> by some doting slave who can treat him in the manner he deserves.
<snip>

Major purrs on the the way, you're doing a wonderful thing in helping Four.
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Cats leave pawprints on your heart
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Charleen Welton - 10 Dec 2007 23:18 GMT
Thanks Adrian but I'm not doing this alone. My husband, David, is being very
patient and very understanding. Our roommate, Larry, is putting up with my
tension.  My cats think I'm nuts. Only you guys understand and continue to
support this effort and I appreciate it so much!
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Charleen
Aggie Marble, Victor Velcro
The Spirit of Mr. Pumpkin
St. Cloud, Florida USA

> <snip>
>> Major, major Purrs and Prayers are requested for Four's successful
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> Major purrs on the the way, you're doing a wonderful thing in helping
> Four.
Bettina - 12 Dec 2007 01:55 GMT
> The Story of a cat named Four.  This is a long story, three years long!
> Purrs for a happy ending to it.
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> The Spirit of Mr. Pumpkin
> St. Cloud, Florida USA

I just read your story about Four and I am so deeply touched.
What this guy must have gone through.
I keep all thumbs pressed that you succeed soon in getting him to the
doctor.
If all else fails couldn`t you use a net with a long handle on it like
animal rescue worker do
to get him by surprise? Not nice but maybe the last resort.

Then - hopefully he could stay at the vet clinic for one or two weeks
until medication and treatment will show success and only then let him
out again.

It might be possible to pay the vet by instalments. If it is time to
talk money I`ll try to get some from animal rescue groups here in
Germany.  Could work out.

I so hope that you will be successful.

Love
Bettina
Charleen Welton - 12 Dec 2007 12:18 GMT
Thank you Bettina for your suggestion. If this idea of holding him on the
porch and then taking him to the vet doesn't work out your idea will be
considered.  But, first of course, I have to try to contain him on the
porch!!  I'll be talking to the vet today to make arrangements for him to
see Four. The vet has in the past told me he would come to the house to see
Aggie when she was having problems with asthama, perhaps he could come to
see Four just to get an idea of how to handle him and what is needed to
treat that awful wound. Dr. Mulero is a wonderful man and a great vet. Today
is Day Two in of the Capture Attempt, hopefully it will go better than Day
One did.
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Charleen
Aggie Marble, Victor Velcro
The Spirit of Mr. Pumpkin
St. Cloud, Florida USA

>> The Story of a cat named Four.  This is a long story, three years long!
>> Purrs for a happy ending to it.
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> Love
> Bettina

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