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Ginger-lyn - 02 Dec 2007 18:58 GMT
I can't possibly hope to catch up with over 2,000 posts, but I'll try:

Mark, I hope you've somehow worked out the problem with your landlord.
You should NOT have to lose any of these wonderful cats.  It breaks my
heart.

{{{{Pam}}}}}  I'm so sorry you are going through such a hard time.  It
isn't fair.  I hope things are going better for you now.

Cheryl P., I am so sorry about Mandy.  My heart goes out to you, and I
wish you gentle healing.

Christine, I'm sorry to hear about Rahab; purrs for all who cared about
this little one.

Ted, I'm so glad to hear Fleagor is doing better.

Jo, congrats on the new grandkid!

Julie, is it too late to add me to the card list?  Probably.  Sigh.

And I'm sorry if I missed anyone, so blanket purrs and congrats where
appropriate.

I was all set to post a really nice Thanksgiving post, when all hell
broke loose here.  In short, DH and I had a blow-up so bad that I don't
even want to think about it.  I spent the night in a hotel.  That
*really* helped our financial problems -- lol.  I've been pretty down
since then.

Then last week, I had a lovely day that went something like this:

Stove is broke (oh, yeah -- we found out about that the day before
Thanksgiving, of course.  So I had to draft my ex-hubby to run me to
Sears and grab the cheapest roaster oven I could find.  Again, just what
our finances needed.  Grrr.).  Guy comes to see if stove is fixable, or
if we get a new one (the thing's only 3 years old, but the last tenants
never cleaned anything, so far as we can tell.  I won't go into details
about the rats.  Ugh.)  Guy is barely conversational, except with
himself (lol).  Guy moves stove out to decide if it's fixable, rat poop
is exposed (again, UGH), Katie decides to run in the kitchen, steps in
rat poop.  Guy leaves, doesn't tell me what is going on.  I run Katie up
to the tub with the kitten shampoo and wash her feet, much to her
wriggly displeasure.  Turn off water. TRY to turn off water.  Won't turn
off. Turn off water to tub instead.  Luckily, Bob the Good Fix-It Guy
comes to rescue; fixes faucets (washers bad) and promises stove on
Monday (unfortunately, this means Kevin The Fix-It Guy From Hell will
have to be in here -- grrrr).

In the meanwhile, I've suddenly started having very bad pains in all my
joints.  I know I have osteoarthritis, but it's never been like this.  I
have no idea what's going on, other than it's hard to focus, write, or
do anything through that much pain.  Yeah, I''m still on pain meds, but
this stuff is cutting through even the Vicodin.  :-(  Guess I need to
call the dr.

Pinky is still here.  No one has claimed him.  Sigh.  And last night, I
ordered food, because we finished off the turkey (the roaster oven did
its job) and I just couldn't drag myself around enough to try to make
food.  And Pinky came *that close* to making it out the door.  :-(  I
screamed (much to the delivery guy's shock, I'm sure), which stopped
Pinky long enough for me to sandwich him (bad pun) between my leg and
the doorframe, and grab him.  Scared Little Mr.
I-Fear-Absolutely-NOTHING enough that he hid under the table for awhile.
 He's fine; I just finally got through to him (at least this once) that
the Big Out around here is *dangerous*.  He's probably forgotten it by now.

The sinking bed finally got to the point of flat-out (bad pun again)
forget it!  A huge hole had developed in a seam, in addition to the one
Katie put there. DH went out to Aldi's (a discount grocery store here)
to get some food, and I, depressed and wondering what I was going to do
about somewhere to sleep, said "If they have anything really good we
need on sale, go ahead and get it" (they have a little island of
household items and such, usually at a very good discounted price).  And
I added "It's not like they're going to have a bed or anything!"  I
should know better -- lol!  They had air mattresses!  The huge, high
ones, that look like those bouncy cage things for little kids.  Our
budget took another $50 hit, but I need something to sleep on!  I was to
the point of wishing I had gotten some bales of hay they had on sale
just before Samhain at Giant Eagle (the non-discount grocery)!  It is
*so* comfortable.  The downside is Pinky is the only cat allowed in here
(partly because of lack of front claws, partly because of good behavior,
and partly because it is safer to have him in here if fix-it guys are
here, or we are likely to have the door open).  I miss my kitties curled
up with me at night :-(  Pinky does a good job of cuddling, though;
he'll wrap his entire body around my head, and stick his head right into
my face -- lol.

So I've been curled up in my little ball (when Pinky's not curled around
my head) again, listening to the frequent rain falling, and wishing life
was better.  But I'm here.

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Jack Campin - bogus address - 02 Dec 2007 23:27 GMT
> I was all set to post a really nice Thanksgiving post, when all hell
> broke loose here.

Yuck.  That all sounds horrendous.

> Pinky came *that close* to making it out the door.  :-(  I screamed
> (much to the delivery guy's shock, I'm sure), which stopped Pinky
> long enough for me to sandwich him (bad pun) between my leg and
> the doorframe, and grab him.

Would it have been a disaster if he'd made it?  I missed the background
to this.

We try to keep our cats from going out of the front door (the road
side) until we're sure they can find their way round the back where
the catflap is.  Late last night I opened the front door to check
the weather; it was horrible, torrents of icy rain.  Ollie shot past
me like a bullet - I'd never seen him outside the back garden and
had visions of him sitting under a bush all night getting soggy and
miserable.  I tried calling him to no result.  About two minutes
later he came through the catflap, so at least I know he can do it
now.

> The sinking bed finally got to the point of flat-out (bad pun again)
> forget it!  A huge hole had developed in a seam, in addition to the one
> Katie put there.

We use a futon.  MUCH simpler.  (I've tried both water and airbeds
and detest them even when they work).

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Ginger-lyn - 03 Dec 2007 20:44 GMT
>> I was all set to post a really nice Thanksgiving post, when all hell
>> broke loose here.
>
> Yuck.  That all sounds horrendous.

Yep.  Not fun.

>> Pinky came *that close* to making it out the door.  :-(  I screamed
>> (much to the delivery guy's shock, I'm sure), which stopped Pinky
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> Would it have been a disaster if he'd made it?  I missed the background
> to this.

Yep, most likely.  Don't want to get into indoor/outdoor debates here,
but in our neighborhood, The Out is dangerous.   We have heavy, heavy
traffic; two bars in our block; and a next-door-neighbor that threatened
to kill this cat if he ever saw him again.  He's a lost cat, whose
humans have still not been found :-(  Bolting out the door is probably
how he became lost in the first place.  He is fearless to the max, and I
don't think he has the sense to stay away from trucks, cars, bicycles,
wagons, scooters, or Barbie jeeps.

> We try to keep our cats from going out of the front door (the road
> side) until we're sure they can find their way round the back where
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> later he came through the catflap, so at least I know he can do it
> now.

That's good he figured it out.  My cousin (she lives in the country) has
a catflap in her trailer for her brood.

>> The sinking bed finally got to the point of flat-out (bad pun again)
>> forget it!  A huge hole had developed in a seam, in addition to the one
>> Katie put there.
>
> We use a futon.  MUCH simpler.  (I've tried both water and airbeds
> and detest them even when they work).

Oh, I *loved* my waterbed :-(  I loved the gentle heat of it (she said,
shivering, with a temperature outside of 29 degrees Fahrenheit and a
high wind warning), and the gentle feel of it.  Waaaahhhhhh!  I want my
waterbed back!  DH would probably *love* a futon.  He's on an ancient
mattress/box spring set my first husband and I got oh-so-many-years-ago.
 The springs tend to pop up and poke you in the back.  He's not getting
a good night's sleep, either.

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tanadashoes - 03 Dec 2007 00:17 GMT
> I was all set to post a really nice Thanksgiving post, when all hell
> broke loose here.  In short, DH and I had a blow-up so bad that I don't
> even want to think about it.  I spent the night in a hotel.  That
> *really* helped our financial problems -- lol.  I've been pretty down
> since then.

<<<<<Ginger-Lyn>>>>

And I thought last year when the heating element in the oven went out
the day before Thanksgiving.  The turkey was started at about 6 am and
finished at midnight.  Fortunately a new heating element for the oven
cost less than $40.  I've lived in places where the cats earned their
keep by catching vermin.  I wouldn't wish it on anyone.  It is not
only a health hazard, but incredibly depressing.

I hope that everything sorts itself out for you soon.  You have our
best wishes and purrs from the owners.  We all love you and are here
for you.

Pam S.
Ginger-lyn - 03 Dec 2007 20:36 GMT
>> I was all set to post a really nice Thanksgiving post, when all hell
>> broke loose here.  In short, DH and I had a blow-up so bad that I don't
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> keep by catching vermin.  I wouldn't wish it on anyone.  It is not
> only a health hazard, but incredibly depressing.

I remember that!  I can't even imagine what a frustrating experience
that had to be.  The Turkey That Took Forever . . . .  I've had 4 bad
Thanksgivings:  this year; the one where I had to work at The St. Pete
Times T-giving night, so I grabbed dinner at a restaurant on my way to
work; the one where my employer at the time hung up all our paychecks
until after noon so we couldn't get money out (remember the days before
ATMs?), and all I had in my fridge was a package of hotdogs (they turned
out to be bad, too).  Luckily, a last minute miracle happened, and I got
to go home and have a feast made by my mom, who was a terrible cook on a
daily basis, but she knew how to do feasts and treats big-time.  And the
one where I had just started working at a psychic call line, and they
made us come in on Thanksgiving -- and technical issues meant no one
called.  So we were stuck there until after 8 pm, and I didn't start the
turkey until about 9 pm.  Ever have T-giving dinner at 2 am?  lol!

As far rats, yeah.  Ugly, dirty, and depressing.  I think they all split
before we moved in.  Haven't seen one, and hope I don't.  We got the new
stove today, and cleaned the final part of the yucky stuff out between
the guys moving one stove out and one stove in.  And, miracle of
miracles, Bob brought someone else with him (a nice guy), so no
Fix-It-Guy-from-Hell -- yeah!

> I hope that everything sorts itself out for you soon.  You have our
> best wishes and purrs from the owners.  We all love you and are here
> for you.
>
> Pam S.

{{{{Pam}}}} Thank you.  You make me cry.  With everything you have to
deal with, you still reach out to others like me, with my petty little
miseries.  You are an amazing woman, and I am glad you are here.

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Joy - 03 Dec 2007 02:45 GMT
>I can't possibly hope to catch up with over 2,000 posts, but I'll try:
>
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>
> Ginger-lyn

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Purrs for things to start getting better for you.

Joy
Ginger-lyn - 03 Dec 2007 20:28 GMT
> (((((((Ginger-lyn))))))))
>
> Purrs for things to start getting better for you.
>
> Joy

Thank you, Joy -- I needed that!

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GaDragonfly - 03 Dec 2007 03:00 GMT
{{{Ginger-Lynn}}} I'm sorry you're having such a hard time right now.
Hopefully it will get better with the New Year. Well, hopefully it
will get better before the New Year, but we always have the New Year
to look forward to, right?

> Julie, is it too late to add me to the card list?  Probably.  Sigh.

You're on the "Receive Only" list. I can send you the list if you'd
like to send some cards, just let me know.

Julie
Ginger-lyn - 03 Dec 2007 20:28 GMT
> {{{Ginger-Lynn}}} I'm sorry you're having such a hard time right now.
> Hopefully it will get better with the New Year. Well, hopefully it
> will get better before the New Year, but we always have the New Year
> to look forward to, right?

Well, it darn well better be a better New Year -- lol!  At least that's
what my attitude is starting to be ("Life, you wanna fight?  'Cos I'm
gettin' just a bit tired of you takin' everything out on me.  I think
it's time I just KICK YER you know what!")  Okay, so that's not really
me, but I can pretend, can't I?

>> Julie, is it too late to add me to the card list?  Probably.  Sigh.
>
> You're on the "Receive Only" list. I can send you the list if you'd
> like to send some cards, just let me know.

That would be great.  I would love to be able to send at least some out
this year!  Guess I better get busy designing!  (No, no, it CANNOT be
December already!)

> Julie

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Steve Touchstone - 03 Dec 2007 12:51 GMT
>I can't possibly hope to catch up with over 2,000 posts, but I'll try:

I know that feeling. On occasion I've just had to mark everything as
read and start over
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((((((((Ginger-lyn)))))))))))
Glad you have Pinky there purring for you, but we're sending some
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Ginger-lyn - 03 Dec 2007 20:26 GMT
>> I can't possibly hope to catch up with over 2,000 posts, but I'll try:
>
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> Glad you have Pinky there purring for you, but we're sending some
> additional purrs from here in Oklahoma

Thanks, Steve.  Purrs are always welcome and a wonderful comfort.  I
swear I can hear them coming all the way from OK, too :-)

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jmcquown - 03 Dec 2007 20:29 GMT
> So I've been curled up in my little ball (when Pinky's not curled
> around my head) again, listening to the frequent rain falling, and
> wishing life was better.  But I'm here.
>
> Ginger-lyn

I'm so sorry you're dealing with all this.  There seems to be a lot of truth
to "when it rains, it pours", for a lot of us lately.  You've had one heck
of a run of bad luck.  Purrs for it to all get better.

Jill
Ginger-lyn - 04 Dec 2007 17:59 GMT
>> So I've been curled up in my little ball (when Pinky's not curled
>> around my head) again, listening to the frequent rain falling, and
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Jill

Thank you, Jill.  My early wish for the New Year is that it get better
for all of us.

Ginger-lyn
hmmmm . . . it's been raining and pouring, both literally and
figuratively.  Is that why I can't get "It's Raining Men" out of my
head?  ;-)

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Monique Y. Mudama - 06 Dec 2007 05:35 GMT
> So I've been curled up in my little ball (when Pinky's not curled
> around my head) again, listening to the frequent rain falling, and
> wishing life was better.  But I'm here.

I'm sorry to read that so much is going wrong -- but isn't it nice
that one thing went right =)  Being able to get a good night's sleep
is *so* important.  The mattress may also help relieve your joint
pain.  And hey -- rain falling -- no wonder your arthritis is acting
up =/

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Ginger-lyn - 06 Dec 2007 17:15 GMT
>> So I've been curled up in my little ball (when Pinky's not curled
>> around my head) again, listening to the frequent rain falling, and
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> pain.  And hey -- rain falling -- no wonder your arthritis is acting
> up =/

Thank you, Monique.  Oh, yeah -- it's so nice to be comfortable in one
way at least!  And yeah, that rain has really been doing a number on the
ol' joints.  Now it's the cold and snow that's not helping.  I'll be
looking very forward to spring!  lol!

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CatNipped@comcast.net - 06 Dec 2007 18:30 GMT
> In the meanwhile, I've suddenly started having very bad pains in all my
> joints.  I know I have osteoarthritis, but it's never been like this.  I
> have no idea what's going on, other than it's hard to focus, write, or
> do anything through that much pain.  Yeah, I''m still on pain meds, but
> this stuff is cutting through even the Vicodin.  :-(  Guess I need to
> call the dr.

You may have Fibromyalgia - ask your doctor about this (more and more
doctors are becoming aware of this painful disorder).

I know how it is to live with constant pain that not even pain pills
touch (and I can't even take vicodin, I can only have tramadol which
doesn't help at all).

> The sinking bed finally got to the point of flat-out (bad pun again)
> forget it!  

Oh, sorry, I had just asked about your bed in another post before
reading this.

>A huge hole had developed in a seam, in addition to the one
> Katie put there. DH went out to Aldi's (a discount grocery store here)
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> he'll wrap his entire body around my head, and stick his head right into
> my face -- lol.

Will they not let you clip their claws?  You might even want to clip
Pinky's back claws because they can sometimes cause more damage than
front claws.

> So I've been curled up in my little ball (when Pinky's not curled around
> my head) again, listening to the frequent rain falling, and wishing life
> was better.  But I'm here.

Purrs that your life gets better *FAST*.

Hugs,

CatNipped

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Ginger-lyn - 07 Dec 2007 22:54 GMT
>> In the meanwhile, I've suddenly started having very bad pains in all my
>> joints.  I know I have osteoarthritis, but it's never been like this.  I
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> You may have Fibromyalgia - ask your doctor about this (more and more
> doctors are becoming aware of this painful disorder).

I've been thinking that, or that one that makes you tired all the time
(is there one that makes you not be able to think -- lol), or some
combination.

> I know how it is to live with constant pain that not even pain pills
> touch (and I can't even take vicodin, I can only have tramadol which
> doesn't help at all).

I tried tramadol, and it did absolutely zilch for me.

>> The sinking bed finally got to the point of flat-out (bad pun again)
>> forget it!  
>
> Oh, sorry, I had just asked about your bed in another post before
> reading this.

No problem.  I'm lost, too  -- lol!

>> A huge hole had developed in a seam, in addition to the one
>> Katie put there. DH went out to Aldi's (a discount grocery store here)
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> Pinky's back claws because they can sometimes cause more damage than
> front claws.

Well, that's a good question.  Wolfie and Pinky don't have front claws,
of course.  Of the other eight, Cosmo, Jack and Merlyn won't let me near
them.  The other five are fine.

I'm a wuss, but I'm afraid to trim back claws.  I once did Geesha's
(RB), and managed to cut to the quick :-(  I felt so badly, I haven't
tried to do it to anyone ever since.

>> So I've been curled up in my little ball (when Pinky's not curled around
>> my head) again, listening to the frequent rain falling, and wishing life
>> was better.  But I'm here.
>
> Purrs that your life gets better *FAST*.

Thank you, CatNipped -- ME TOO!  WOO-HOO!

> Hugs,
>
> CatNipped

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bastXXXette@sonic.net - 08 Dec 2007 00:17 GMT
>> You may have Fibromyalgia - ask your doctor about this (more and more
>> doctors are becoming aware of this painful disorder).

> I've been thinking that, or that one that makes you tired all the time
> (is there one that makes you not be able to think -- lol), or some
> combination.

You mean Chronic Fatigue? I think that can have cognitive effects,
yes.

Also, there's clinical depression. It can be expressed in symptoms
that you wouldn't necessarily identify as depression, such as tiredness,
loss of sex drive, inability to concentrate. And you don't necessarily
have to have "sad" feelings, either. So the usual image we get of a
depressed person - weepy, mopey, not wanting to do anything - while
those things can certainly be part of it, they don't have to.

Joyce - unfortunately, a bit of an expert on this topic :-/

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Adrian A - 08 Dec 2007 10:09 GMT
>>> You may have Fibromyalgia - ask your doctor about this (more and
>>> more doctors are becoming aware of this painful disorder).
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>
> Joyce - unfortunately, a bit of an expert on this topic :-/

That's one thing people always seem to get wrong, depression doesn't mean
sadness.
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Ginger-lyn - 17 Dec 2007 21:21 GMT
>  >> You may have Fibromyalgia - ask your doctor about this (more and more
>  >> doctors are becoming aware of this painful disorder).
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> You mean Chronic Fatigue? I think that can have cognitive effects,
> yes.

Thank you!  That's what I was trying to remember.

> Also, there's clinical depression. It can be expressed in symptoms
> that you wouldn't necessarily identify as depression, such as tiredness,
> loss of sex drive, inability to concentrate. And you don't necessarily
> have to have "sad" feelings, either. So the usual image we get of a
> depressed person - weepy, mopey, not wanting to do anything - while
> those things can certainly be part of it, they don't have to.

I've had clinical depression, too many times.  But most of the "experts"
of late say any depression I have is situational rather than clinical.

> Joyce - unfortunately, a bit of an expert on this topic :-/

{{{{Joyce}}}}}

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bastXXXette@sonic.net - 17 Dec 2007 21:46 GMT
> I've had clinical depression, too many times.  But most of the "experts"
> of late say any depression I have is situational rather than clinical.

How can any of this be separated? Your mood is a result of things going
on in your body, your mind, your life, the phases of the moon, all sorts
of things.

Sometimes when a depressed mood comes over me and I can't pinpoint the
reason, I go through a litany of possibilities: is it psychological,
situational, brain-chemical, hormonal, viral, meteorological, or sleep-
related? Or something else? It's hard enough to figure that out for
yourself - how could someone else, even an "expert", tell you where
it's coming from? What do you think?

Joyce
Ginger-lyn - 27 Dec 2007 21:57 GMT
>  > I've had clinical depression, too many times.  But most of the "experts"
>  > of late say any depression I have is situational rather than clinical.
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>
> Joyce

That's a good question.  Honestly, I am one of "those people" who don't
put a lot of stock in chemicals being the reason for everything.  I'm a
poet; I'm spiritual; I see things through those lenses, not through
scientific explanations.  And I think this culture is *way* too drugged
(and that is not to take away from anyone who has received immense
relief from chemicals; if that is what works for you, and helps you,
then I am happy.  I just think we're too quick to say "You have a
problem -- here, have some pills to make it all go away."

I do the same litany thing as you do, and I think it's a good thing to
do.  Sometimes, it can pinpoint what is going on, even though it is
sometimes difficult, and often it is a combination of things.

I don't think much of "experts", either.  (Boy, am I being curmudgeonly
here!  Probably because I just finished reading "The Cat Who Came for
Chirstmas ;-) ).  However, I *do* think they are probably right in this
case.  Had I a situation where I was truly loved and happy, had the
wherewithal I need to live comfortably, had more and better friends, a
safer and nicer environment and all that (which yeah, I know, most of us
don't have *all* of that), then I think I would be happy.  I do think
the situational depression is complicated right now by seasonal
depression, but I do much better with that than I used to. Once I
realized "Hey, I'm a Pagan.  I am in touch with the Earth. The *Earth*
is depressed, for heaven's sake; why shouldn't I be?", I quit being so
depressed about winter.  I just tend to try to make it as easy on myself
as possible (buy in bulk, go out as little as possible, plenty of
blankets, crank the heat up and worry about the bills later, and make
sure I have plenty of warm kitties to cuddle up to :-)), and that really
helps.

Babbling again ;-)

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bastXXXette@sonic.net - 27 Dec 2007 23:13 GMT
> That's a good question.  Honestly, I am one of "those people" who don't
> put a lot of stock in chemicals being the reason for everything.  I'm a
> poet; I'm spiritual; I see things through those lenses, not through
> scientific explanations.

Just to be clear, I do not believe that chemicals are the reason for
everything. I know you weren't saying I do, but I just want everyone else
to know. In fact, I have a hard time with anyone who thinks that there
is one reason - whatever it is - for everything. Our psyches are complex,
and are subject to many different influences.

I have a friend who does seem to believe that it's all about brain
chemistry. Every time I tell her I'm feeling down, but I'm not sure why,
she asks if I might need to have my medication adjusted - even after
I've asked her not to say that!

But I also have another friend tends to think that drugs are about
"numbing out" and escaping your feelings, rather than really dealing
with them. She thinks we should develop our spirituality as the path
to healing. And while I have no doubt whatsoever that spirituality is
tremendously healing to many people, it's not a panacea either. It
doesn't work for everyone. And I don't need to apologize for using
medications if they help me.

Then there are psychotherapists who pathologize everything, and think
that it's all about what your mother did or didn't do. I have to admit
that this belief, limited as it is, is probably closer to my own than
any of the others. But I still wouldn't accept it as the only truth. For
me, I am positive that chemicals are part of the problem. But old
memories and a negative set of beliefs about myself, which I got from a
not-very-nurturing childhood, have a huge effect on me, too.

I'm not about blaming my mother. I'm more likely to blame my father,
anyway. :) But really, at my age, it's not about blame at all. I might
recognize that because my parents did this, or didn't do that, that I
developed certain negative thinking or behavior patterns. But I'm the
only person who's able to change those things. My parents weren't great
parents, but they did love me and they did the best they could, and the
truth is, I got more from them than many people get from their parents.
I used to think my parents were the worst in the world, but as I got
older I realized there was a lot they did right. It's true that I'm still
struggling from the effects of abuse, but I sincerely believe at this
point that it's up to me - along with whatever help is useful to me, of
course - to find my way out of it.

The upshot is, it can be very hard to pinpoint the causes of depression,
and therefore, the appropriate way to heal it.

Purrs! (Those are *never* inappropriate. :))

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Joy - 27 Dec 2007 23:29 GMT
> The upshot is, it can be very hard to pinpoint the causes of depression,
> and therefore, the appropriate way to heal it.

This goes for just about everything.  The biggest lie ever, and one most
people buy into about one subject or other, is "One size fits all".  People
are different.  Their lives are different.  There are many different causes
for problems, and many different solutions.  Some work for some people, but
not for others.

I'll add my purrs that you find the solution that is right for you.

Joy

> Purrs! (Those are *never* inappropriate. :))
>
> Joyce
Ginger-lyn - 11 Jan 2008 18:40 GMT
>  > That's a good question.  Honestly, I am one of "those people" who don't
>  > put a lot of stock in chemicals being the reason for everything.  I'm a
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>
> Joyce

{{{{Joyce}}}}

I think what you said is probably the most rational, accurate way to
look at it.  Not much of anything is due to or solved by just one thing;
life is too complex for that.  And I do believe (and tried to make that
plain) that medications, for many, do a world of good.  I just wish more
people understood that there are often other things, be it a spiritual
component, emotional component, life component or whatever, that are
just as important, if not more so.

All I wish is healing (in whatever form that takes) for all who need it.

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polonca12000 - 09 Dec 2007 22:30 GMT
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> So I've been curled up in my little ball (when Pinky's not curled around
> my head) again, listening to the frequent rain falling, and wishing life
> was better.  But I'm here.
>
> Ginger-lyn

Lots and lots of purrs and gentle hugs,
Polonca and Soncek
Ginger-lyn - 17 Dec 2007 21:21 GMT
> <snip>
>> So I've been curled up in my little ball (when Pinky's not curled
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> Lots and lots of purrs and gentle hugs,
> Polonca and Soncek

Thank you, Polonca, and Soncek, too :-)

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