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jmcquown - 01 Dec 2007 04:28 GMT
I'll tell you up front, I don't want anyone here to tell me "You have to go
see him!"  Okay?  He doesn't want that.  He's a proud man.  He does not want
his daughter to see him with a home health aid (yes, Mom finally agreed she
needed help) changing his soiled bedclothes.  OKAY?  So please don't
criticize me and tell me I MUST GO.  I'm honoring their wishes by not doing
so.

I love my father dearly.  But I called and offered to come and help out.
Mom said NO.  So I have accepted the fact that he doesn't want any of us to
see him like this.  I've also accepted the fact that Mom has told me I'd
just be in the way at this point.  She said she'd be concerned about keeping
me "occupied" or some such thing when she should be focused on him.

Dad hasn't gotten out of bed since a couple of days after he got that copy
of Hull's Arithmetic I sent to him.  It seems it was the very last thing he
wanted, and I'm glad I could give it to him.  He took to his bed and he
hasn't left it except to go to the bathroom, but now he needs to be
assisted.  Mom did engage a home health nurse from the local hospital.

He's not eating.  He's had a couple of cans of Ensure in the last few days,
but that's it.  He refuses to go to the hospital.  Unless he's unconscious
or comatose, they can't force him to go to a hospital.  I don't think he
wants to die in a hospital.  I think he wants to die at home.

And Mom says NO, *do not* come here.  She says "I'll call you when I need
you."  So I'm respecting her wishes.  His wishes, too.  He doesn't want his
children to see him this way.

Dad is such a proud man.  They don't call them "The Few, the Proud, the
Marines" for nothing.  I can understand how he feels.  I'm the only child
who ever showed any interest in his miltary service.  He was in WWII, Korea,
and two tours in Vietnam.  However you feel about these wars/conflicts, he
did was he was ordered to do.

Am I proud of him?  Absolutely.  Will I respect his and my mom's wishes by
not seeing him as he is now?  You bet.

You can see why I'm rather upside down lately.  I have an audio tape (reel
to reel) from when he was in Vietnam in 1966.  That's how he and mom wrote
"letters" to each other.  He gave me the mini reel to reel recorder back in
the 1980's, never realizing there was still a small a reel of tape in it.  I
listened to it.  It was a letter to Mom telling her what they were going to
do that day.  (Nothing devastating, they were going to get supplies.)  And
then he said "Jillie's birthday is coming up and she deserves a real
bedroom."  (I'd been sleeping on a glorified cot as we moved from place to
place up to that point.)  He said, "Go get her a bedroom set.  One of those
frilly ones with a canopy on top.  She'll like that."  Oh Gawd.

I'll miss him.  I really will.  But there's nothing I can do.  And my mom is
right.  My being there won't change anything.  My next trip will be for his
funeral.  So purrs for my dad to pass peacefully would be appreciated.
Thank you.

Jill
GaDragonfly - 01 Dec 2007 04:41 GMT
> I'll tell you up front, I don't want anyone here to tell me "You have to go
> see him!"  Okay?

OK, I'll respect your wishes and just send purrs your way.
Julie, Hobbes, Lacey, Sam and Barnabus
Granby - 01 Dec 2007 04:52 GMT
When my father was dieing, years ago, he asked to see me.  Now, this is the
man who didn't want one of those things in his family.  I am an albino so
the white hair (until recently that is) and nearly blind.  He tormented me
all my life.  When the hospital called to say he wanted to see me, I said no
to tell him to take it up with
God.  I didn't hate him but I wouldn't come and pretend just because he was
checking out.  So, do what makes you sane and let the hereafter settle it
all.  Prayers and Purrs.
>> I'll tell you up front, I don't want anyone here to tell me "You have to
>> go
>> see him!"  Okay?
>
> OK, I'll respect your wishes and just send purrs your way.
> Julie, Hobbes, Lacey, Sam and Barnabus
Marina - 01 Dec 2007 04:44 GMT
> I'll miss him.  I really will.  But there's nothing I can do.  And my mom is
> right.  My being there won't change anything.  My next trip will be for his
> funeral.  So purrs for my dad to pass peacefully would be appreciated.

Purrs for your father's passing.

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Karen - 01 Dec 2007 05:07 GMT
> I'll tell you up front, I don't want anyone here to tell me "You have to go
> see him!"  Okay?  He doesn't want that.  He's a proud man.  He does not want
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>
> Jill

I'm sorry to hear about this Jill. Prayers for your family. Sometimes,
I don' t know if it is harder to know it is coming or not. It's always
difficult and you can only do what you can do. Mostly, I hope it is
peaceful.
Christine Burel - 01 Dec 2007 05:12 GMT
Jill, purrs for you and your mom at this difficult time.  I think you should
absolutely do what you and your family agree is best for all concerned.  You
made him happy getting him something he truly wanted and you were a good
daughter to him.

I lost my father when I was 26 and I listened to what other people told me
to do rather than what  I wanted do (this was regarding his funeral) and in
looking back I have always regretted it.  So I say follow your heart.

Please accept our heartfelt condolences.
Christine

> I'll tell you up front, I don't want anyone here to tell me "You have to
> go
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>
> Jill
Joy - 01 Dec 2007 05:41 GMT
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> Jill, purrs for you and your mom at this difficult time.  I think you
> should absolutely do what you and your family agree is best for all
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>>
>> Jill
Joy - 01 Dec 2007 05:15 GMT
> I'll tell you up front, I don't want anyone here to tell me "You have to
> go
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>
> Jill

Purrs for you dad, your mom and for you.

It must be terribly hard for you, but I think you are doing the right thing
by respecting their wishes.  Of course, what really counts is that *you*
feel you are doing the right thing.

((((((((Jill)))))))))

Joy
Winnie - 01 Dec 2007 05:27 GMT
> I'll miss him.  I really will.  But there's nothing I can do.  And my mom is
> right.  My being there won't change anything.  My next trip will be for his
> funeral.  So purrs for my dad to pass peacefully would be appreciated.
> Thank you.
>
> Jill

I am so sorry to hear about your father. Purrs going out to you and
your family.

Reading your post bring back memories of my father's passing in
December some years ago. I just lost my job in a massive layoff.
Didn't want to spend the money on a plane ticket to see my parents
over Christmas. A few days before Chrismas my father had a fatal heart
attack. I flew back on Christmas Eve for the funeral. It was a very
difficult time. Took me a long time to get over losing both my job and
my father
within 2 weeks.

Take care.

Winnie
Joy - 01 Dec 2007 05:42 GMT
>> I'll miss him.  I really will.  But there's nothing I can do.  And my mom
>> is
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>
> Winnie

(((((((((Winnie)))))))))

Joy
Matthew - 01 Dec 2007 06:55 GMT
> I'll tell you up front, I don't want anyone here to tell me "You have to
> go
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>
> Jill

Jill  my family and pack is sending purrs and prayers
But I have to say do what your heart says you may regret it if you don't
I am so sorry you are going thru this.
Shiral - 01 Dec 2007 07:20 GMT
> I'll tell you up front, I don't want anyone here to tell me "You have to go
> see him!"  Okay?  He doesn't want that.  He's a proud man.  He does not want
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>
> Jill

I hope your father has a gentle end, Jill.  I would never presume to
tell you what you 'must' do, but I understand that you're naturally
upset at this turn of events. In some measure, he is controlling the
circumstances of his death, and I can definitely understand his
wanting to die at home, rather than in the hospital, and to be
remembered as a proud and dignified man by his children.

{{{Jill}}}

Melissa
Bettina - 01 Dec 2007 09:03 GMT
> I'll tell you up front, I don't want anyone here to tell me "You have to go
> see him!"  Okay?  He doesn't want that.  He's a proud man.  He does not want
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>
> Jill

I am so sorry to hear this, Jill.
It was on of the hardest times for me when my father died 1993 - when
I was 33.
My mother died one year later. I have seen both of them, my sister
didn`t.
She still regrets it. All I want to say is - follow your hearts
desire.
This man loves you. And you love him.
And please forgive me for saying that "proudness" sometimes
changes to "stubborness". Love breaks up those walls.

Forgive me please for speaking out my feelings.

Bettina

{{{{Jill}}}}
Yowie - 01 Dec 2007 10:04 GMT
> I'll tell you up front, I don't want anyone here to tell me "You have to
> go
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> doing
> so.

So sorry to hear this, Jill, its so tough. But you are doing the right thing
for your family, for you. Only *you* can know what that best is, so don't
let anyone tell you its wrong. They might do things differently than you,
but they aren't *you*, aren't your Dad, aren't your Mum. You know these
people better than anyone - you know yourself best of all. Do what is right
for *you* and *your* situation, not anyone else.

{{{{{Jill & Family}}}}}
Adrian A - 01 Dec 2007 12:03 GMT
<snip>
> I'll miss him.  I really will.  But there's nothing I can do.  And my
> mom is right.  My being there won't change anything.  My next trip
> will be for his funeral.  So purrs for my dad to pass peacefully
> would be appreciated. Thank you.
>
> Jill

{{{{{{{{{{{{ Jill }}}}}}}}}}}}

Why do these things always seem to happen around xmas? Such a sad time of
year. :-(
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jmcquown - 01 Dec 2007 12:29 GMT
> <snip>
>> I'll miss him.  I really will.  But there's nothing I can do.  And my
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> Why do these things always seem to happen around xmas? Such a sad
> time of year. :-(

Thank you, Adrian.  But I don't know.  Would it be better in July?  August,
when he was born?  The fact is my father may well hang on for months.  But I
think he's ready to go.  I think that's why he has taken to his bed.  He
definitely doesn't want to die in a hospital hooked up to tubes and machines
in an impersonal setting.  And Mom certainly can't stay at the hospital
24/7.  Know what I mean?

Dad's mother was moved to a nursing home when she was around his age (but
she didn't have someone like my mom around).  She expired alone in a strange
place and all she kept saying after my father and his sister moved her from
her home of 50-some years is, "I want to go home".  I know he remembers
that.

He knows he's dying.  And he wants to die at home.  I respect that.  I also
respect that he doesn't want anyone to see him in this condition.

I remember when my mother went to see her mom in the hospital right before
grandma died.  She told me it looked like her mother was already dead when
they let her in the room.  She wasn't dead.  But she may as well have been.
Mom said this wasn't the woman she remembered as her mother.

This is what I think my Dad is asking for.  That we remember him for who he
was.  Not for what he is right now.  And not to see him hooked up to some
tubes in some impersonal room when he breathes his last.  He wants to be at
home.

Jill
Magic Mood Jeep - 01 Dec 2007 14:24 GMT
>> <snip>
>>> I'll miss him.  I really will.  But there's nothing I can do.  And my
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>
> Jill

{{{{{{{{{{Jill}}}}}}}}}}

I admire your gumption to NOT go running over there, and honoring his
wishes!  I think maybe some Marine rubbed off your father and onto you!

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Outsider - 01 Dec 2007 18:22 GMT
> Thank you, Adrian.  But I don't know.  Would it be better in July?
> August, when he was born?  The fact is my father may well hang on for
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>
> Jill

Jill,

I lost my father May of last year.  I saw him about a month before he
died and I am glad I did but I would have respected his wishes and even
understood if he had not wanted his kids to see him at that time.  If
your father would rather you carry an image of him in his strength I
don't see that as the worst thing.

Be well,

Andy
Joy - 01 Dec 2007 20:02 GMT
>> <snip>
>>> I'll miss him.  I really will.  But there's nothing I can do.  And my
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> been.
> Mom said this wasn't the woman she remembered as her mother.

I can understand that.  When my husband was dying, he was in the hospital,
but at first he was able to get up and sit in a chair part of the time.  One
day when I went to visit him, I saw an old man sitting in a chair beside my
husband's empty bed.  I thought they had moved my husband to a different
room and put someone else in there.  When I got closer, I saw that the 'old
man' was my husband.  He was 56 at the time.

> This is what I think my Dad is asking for.  That we remember him for who
> he
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>
> Jill

I can understand his wishes, although they would not be those of everybody.

There are certain times when decisions have to be made on an individual
basis, but too many people are ready to tell others how they should handle
things.  I'm sure your mother will be getting all sorts of unrequested, and
usually unwanted, advice, now and for some time to come.  Your attitude
about seeing your father shows that you will be a big help in supporting
your mother against these well-meaning busybodies.

Joy
Steve Touchstone - 02 Dec 2007 04:33 GMT
<snip>
>I can understand that.  When my husband was dying, he was in the hospital,
>but at first he was able to get up and sit in a chair part of the time.  One
>day when I went to visit him, I saw an old man sitting in a chair beside my
>husband's empty bed.  I thought they had moved my husband to a different
>room and put someone else in there.  When I got closer, I saw that the 'old
>man' was my husband.  He was 56 at the time.

I went through a similar thing on the night my great uncle died. He
died at home as he wished, with hospice care. I was still on active
duty, and it had been a couple years since I'd seen him. He died the
night I came home on leave for Christmas one year. My mother is an RN
and has always been the first person the extended family calls when
there is a health question. Anyway, my aunt called my mother and said
she thought the time had come, and my mother asked me to drive her.  I
didn't even know he had been sick (he asked that the family not be
told, because he didn't want a bunch of family sitting around the
deathbed). I would never have recognized the man laying on the bed as
man Uncle.

>> This is what I think my Dad is asking for.  That we remember him for who
>> he
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>
>Joy

agreed
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Kreisleriana - 01 Dec 2007 12:57 GMT
> I'll tell you up front, I don't want anyone here to tell me "You have to
> go
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> funeral.  So purrs for my dad to pass peacefully would be appreciated.
> Thank you.

You won't hear any criticism from me.  I have a dad who can be difficult-- I
just thank God for his girlfriend Adrienne, who takes care of everything for
him. So just continue to thank whatever powers that be that he's safe and
taken care of .  We are revving up the purrs for his comfort and peace.
Victor Martinez - 01 Dec 2007 13:55 GMT
> criticize me and tell me I MUST GO.  I'm honoring their wishes by not doing
> so.

Absolutely!

> but that's it.  He refuses to go to the hospital.  Unless he's unconscious
> or comatose, they can't force him to go to a hospital.  I don't think he
> wants to die in a hospital.  I think he wants to die at home.

I think we all ought to be lucky enough to die at home, surrounded by
those we choose to have around.

> And Mom says NO, *do not* come here.  She says "I'll call you when I need
> you."  So I'm respecting her wishes.  His wishes, too.  He doesn't want his
> children to see him this way.

I can't agree with you more.

> I'll miss him.  I really will.  But there's nothing I can do.  And my mom is
> right.  My being there won't change anything.  My next trip will be for his
> funeral.  So purrs for my dad to pass peacefully would be appreciated.

Lots and lots of purrs for you and your family.

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Granby - 01 Dec 2007 18:13 GMT
Would that we could die at home.  My husband knew he was going to die and
stayed at home until I was so exhausted my health was in question.  Then,
and only then, did he agree to go to the hospital for the last week of his
life.
>> criticize me and tell me I MUST GO.  I'm honoring their wishes by not
>> doing
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>
> Lots and lots of purrs for you and your family.
jmcquown - 01 Dec 2007 18:44 GMT
> Would that we could die at home.  My husband knew he was going to die
> and stayed at home until I was so exhausted my health was in
> question.  Then, and only then, did he agree to go to the hospital
> for the last week of his life.

This is why my mom has a home health aid from the local hospice coming in to
take care of him 4 times a week.  Gives her a break and he's not left alone
at home.  It's an alternative.

Jill

>>> criticize me and tell me I MUST GO.  I'm honoring their wishes by
>>> not doing
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Lorna - 02 Dec 2007 00:21 GMT
>> Would that we could die at home.  My husband knew he was going to die
>> and stayed at home until I was so exhausted my health was in
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>
> Jill

Jill - I'm sorry to read this but I do think you are doing the right thing
by honoring their requests.  Was glad to see your mother has help from
hospice - we had this when my father died in 2001 and was absolutely
determined to die at home.  Someone came every day and I can't tell you the
flood of relief we felt the day the chief nurse, who checked in often
,announced a nurse from hospice would be staying 24 hours a day.  They were
wonderful people and my mother was assured that my father had good care and
was pain free.
Lorna, with purrs from Chessie & Nikki
Granby - 02 Dec 2007 00:29 GMT
Hospice is a wonderful group of people.  However my husband didn't want them
around and was pretty rude so I tried to do it as long as I could.  Would
never do it again or wouldn't let someone else go through what I did without
offering to help.

>>> Would that we could die at home.  My husband knew he was going to die
>>> and stayed at home until I was so exhausted my health was in
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> care and was pain free.
> Lorna, with purrs from Chessie & Nikki
tanadashoes - 03 Dec 2007 00:40 GMT
> Hospice is a wonderful group of people.  However my husband didn't want them
> around and was pretty rude so I tried to do it as long as I could.  Would
> never do it again or wouldn't let someone else go through what I did without
> offering to help."Lorna" <Lorna@Ilikecats&genealogy.com> wrote in message

Rob didn't want Hospice until I explained to him that part of hospice
is for him to be able to be at home for as long as he wants.  Now,
while he would rather not need/qualify for hospice, he wouldn't want
to do this final journey without them.  Rob wants to go at home
surrounded by his beloved owners, family, and hospice.  We respect
that, and hospice is here so that we can manage without losing our
sanity.

Pam S.
Inge Grotjahn - 01 Dec 2007 14:01 GMT
Dear Jill,

Am 01.12.2007 schrieb jmcquown:

> I'll miss him.  I really will.  But there's nothing I can do.  And my mom is
> right.  My being there won't change anything.  My next trip will be for his
> funeral.  So purrs for my dad to pass peacefully would be appreciated.
> Thank you.

our best purrs are coming over the pond to your dad. May he have a
painless and quick trip to the bridge.

I admire your strenght to follow his and your mom's wishes. I don't
know if I could have done that. You are such a good daughter.
Therefore we send additional purrs to comfort you.

Purrs from
Inge and the catgang

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jofirey - 01 Dec 2007 18:12 GMT
> I'll tell you up front, I don't want anyone here to tell me "You have to
> go
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>
> Jill

Prayers and purrs for that old Marine to pass as peacefully as he can.  My
Air Force pilot friend who served in all those same theatres just passed a
few weeks ago.  He will be waiting to swap tall tales with your dad.  The
thing is, most of those tall tales are only too true.

Jo
jmcquown - 01 Dec 2007 18:59 GMT
>> I'll tell you up front, I don't want anyone here to tell me "You
>> have to go
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>
> Jo

I'm sorry to hear about your friend's passing.  I'm sure they'll swap some
tales!  But it's not like fish tales, where the fish get bigger and bigger
with each telling.  When it comes to war, there's no need to exaggerate.

Jill
Ann - 01 Dec 2007 19:13 GMT
I'm so sorry to hear about your Dad. Purrs and prayers on the way.

I 'm sure it's hard for you to honor his wish but, you are doing what he
asked.  Would he talk to you on the phone if you called?

Ann

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> I'll tell you up front, I don't want anyone here to tell me "You have to
> go
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>
> Jill
jmcquown - 01 Dec 2007 19:22 GMT
> I'm so sorry to hear about your Dad. Purrs and prayers on the way.
>
> I 'm sure it's hard for you to honor his wish but, you are doing what
> he asked.  Would he talk to you on the phone if you called?
>
> Ann

No, he won't talk on the phone, Ann.  I contacted his older sister this
morning to let her know what was going on.  She called my mom.  He wouldn't
even talk to her.  It's all about what he wants now.
sam - 01 Dec 2007 23:11 GMT
> I'll tell you up front, I don't want anyone here to tell me "You have to go
> see him!"  Okay?  He doesn't want that.  He's a proud man.  He does not want
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>
> Jill

Purrs for a peaceful passing for your Dad and purrs of comfort for you
and your family.  It must be horrible being torn between wanting to see
him "one last time" and respecting his and your Mom's wishes.

Sam, with a salute to your Dad for his service to our country.
Steve Touchstone - 02 Dec 2007 04:33 GMT
((((((((((((((((Jill))))))))))))))

No advice, you're the one who knows the people involved and are the
only one who can judge the situation. If you believe that is truly
what your parents want, then by all means respect their wishes. I say
that only because sometimes people say one thing, but mean the
opposite.

My grandfather lived his last 20 some-odd years in a rest home.
Whenever someone visited him, he always started off saying how he
wished they didn't have to see him in his present condition. But
before long he was overjoyed that they had come to see him.

OTOH, when my Great Uncle was diagnosed with terminal cancer, the only
people he wanted notified was his church. He didn't want a lot of
family members hanging around. My parents knew, but only because my
mother is an Registered Nurse and has always been the first person the
extended family calls when they have health questions. He died at
home, as he wished, with only his wife, sister in law, my mom, I, and
his minister in attendance. (The only reason I was there was because I
arrived home on leave the night he died, and my Mom didn't want to
drive herself.)

>I'll tell you up front, I don't want anyone here to tell me "You have to go
>see him!"  Okay?  He doesn't want that.  He's a proud man.  He does not want
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>Jill
>
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Stormmee - 02 Dec 2007 12:00 GMT
you are doing the one thing that means more than anything else in my book...
you are honoring your parents by doing as they wish... it doesn't matter
what is best for you you are doing what is best for them, just get your bags
packed, tell the vet you will need to drop off kitty and bird on short
notice, and while you are waiting, journal your memories of your dad, that
might make you cry but you will be happier later to have all of it written
down, Lee
> I'll tell you up front, I don't want anyone here to tell me "You have to go
> see him!"  Okay?  He doesn't want that.  He's a proud man.  He does not want
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>
> Jill
Granby - 02 Dec 2007 12:32 GMT
Lee is right about the journaling.  Over the last six years so many good
things in my life would be gone if I hadn't done this. As pain and sorrow
and sometimes anger comes, it can wash over the good stuff.  You will never
regret writing down the happy memories.
> you are doing the one thing that means more than anything else in my
> book...
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>>
>> Jill
jmcquown - 02 Dec 2007 15:43 GMT
> Lee is right about the journaling.  Over the last six years so many
> good things in my life would be gone if I hadn't done this. As pain
> and sorrow and sometimes anger comes, it can wash over the good
> stuff.  You will never regret writing down the happy memories.

Agreed.  You know, about 10 years ago I gave each of them a book embossed
with their names on the front.  It was essentially a blank "memory" book
with sections for them to write about where they'd lived, gone to school,
did for a living (if applicable), etc.  I thought it was a good gift idea
and figured it would be great to hear the recollections from them,
first-hand.  I'm sure I would have read some things they'd never bothered to
tell me!  They never did anything with those books :(  I sure wish they had.

Jill
>> you are doing the one thing that means more than anything else in my
>> book...
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>>>
>>> Jill
Lesley - 02 Dec 2007 17:47 GMT
First all hugs and purrs

> I'll tell you up front, I don't want anyone here to tell me "You have to go
> see him!"  Okay?  He doesn't want that.  He's a proud man.  He does not want
> his daughter to see him with a home health aid (yes, Mom finally agreed she
> needed help) changing his soiled bedclothes.  OKAY?  So please don't
> criticize me and tell me I MUST GO.  I'm honoring their wishes by not doing
> so.

You won't hear it from me I understand your dads wishes - my dad was
much the same he would always be saying "Come over if you want
to....if you must but I'm tired so I might not be awake when you've
got to come such a long way and you're not working so it'll cost you
and...and..."

I read between the lines and kept out of it. Also to be honest I
didn't want to see my big strong dad who'd always been there for me
fading away so we talked on the phone a lot and I talked to mum on the
side about how he was and how she was coping

> Dad hasn't gotten out of bed since a couple of days after he got that copy
> of Hull's Arithmetic I sent to him.  It seems it was the very last thing he
> wanted, and I'm glad I could give it to him.  

That's good that you got it for him

I'll miss him.  I really will.  But there's nothing I can do.  And my
mom is
> right.  My being there won't change anything.  My next trip will be for his
> funeral.  So purrs for my dad to pass peacefully would be appreciated.

Obvious mass purrs and prayers coming from here

Lesley

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Charleen Welton - 02 Dec 2007 23:37 GMT
Caring purrs to you and your family.

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> I'll tell you up front, I don't want anyone here to tell me "You have to
> go
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>
> Jill
tanadashoes - 03 Dec 2007 00:29 GMT
> I'll tell you up front, I don't want anyone here to tell me "You have to go
> see him!"  Okay?  He doesn't want that.  He's a proud man.  He does not want
> his daughter to see him with a home health aid (yes, Mom finally agreed she
> needed help) changing his soiled bedclothes.  OKAY?  So please don't
> criticize me and tell me I MUST GO.  I'm honoring their wishes by not doing
> so.

Of course you must honor your parents' wishes.  It reads like your mom
is doing only what your dad wants her to do.  I know this is hard and
eating you up, but the kindest thing you can do is to honor your
parents' wishes.

Before I went into the hospital and Rob regained his bodily control,
we had adult diapers here for him.  Rob hated them, but knew that he
needed them.  He made me promise not to tell his parents, though.
After he didn't need them anymore, he told his mom that he'd had a
little problem before he got better and that he was glad that there
were diapers around as I'd needed the help the day I went into the
hospital.  Not because of incontinence, but from drainage from the
spider bite.

Rob needed more help than that, and I'm glad to say that he was
determined that I would come home from the hospital to find him as
much like his old self as he could make himself.  He's still supposed
to use a walker for balance, but he won't if he can help it.

The long and short of what I'm trying to say is that we all need help
at times, even if that help is to let them go with what dignity they
can.  You're doing your part and the least we can do as your friends
is to support you all we can.

Love and hugs,

Pam S.
Granby - 03 Dec 2007 00:44 GMT
Pam, some things aren't to laugh at but, if, rather when, I get to the stage
I need a walker, I already have mine picked out.  It is one of those with
the seat and the handle grips like a bike.  I can walk when I can and
someone can push when I can"t.  Oh, it is hot pink and has a basket!!!
>> I'll tell you up front, I don't want anyone here to tell me "You have to
>> go
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>
> Pam S.
tanadashoes - 03 Dec 2007 00:55 GMT
> Pam, some things aren't to laugh at but, if, rather when, I get to the stage
> I need a walker, I already have mine picked out.  It is one of those with
> the seat and the handle grips like a bike.  I can walk when I can and
> someone can push when I can"t.  Oh, it is hot pink and has a basket!!!"

I'm trying to talk the kids into the adult tricycle.  They say nope.

Pam S.
Granby - 03 Dec 2007 02:49 GMT
Well, with my vision problem, I don't think the world is ready for me on one
of them.  I still have Bobs electric wheel chair but haven't had the nerve
to take it down to my son's house yet!
>> Pam, some things aren't to laugh at but, if, rather when, I get to the
>> stage
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>
> Pam S.
jofirey - 03 Dec 2007 01:30 GMT
> Pam, some things aren't to laugh at but, if, rather when, I get to the
> stage I need a walker, I already have mine picked out.  It is one of those
> with the seat and the handle grips like a bike.  I can walk when I can and
> someone can push when I can"t.  Oh, it is hot pink and has a basket!!!

Just so you'll know.  Once you get it you are expected to decorate the
basket.

Nearly everyone at the independent living facility where my parents lived
had one of those.  Even those who could get around withoug a walker, but
needed a bit of help if they needed to carry anything to their apartments.
Or a place to sit and catch their breath if they overdid a bit.  I like the
lady who loved Bulldogs.  She had pictures and some small stuffed ones in
the basket.

Jo

>>> I'll tell you up front, I don't want anyone here to tell me "You have to
>>> go
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>>
>> Pam S.
Jeanne Hedge - 03 Dec 2007 00:35 GMT
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Baha - 03 Dec 2007 00:57 GMT
I can not and will not tell you to disrespect the wishes of your parents, as
hard as it must be on yourself right now; on anyone who loves a dear one, and
the first instinct is to go. It sounds like you have an incredible love for
your father (I envy you) and this must be chomping into you. Nor will i
criticize. Not my place. Right now I have a dear friend who will not allow me
to see her with the advanced condition of Lou Gehrig's she has. Not the same,
i know. Sucks nonetheless.

I'd write them; make tapes maybe. Perhaps that will let Mom & Dad both know
you are there and are supporting both of them, even if not there in body. For
the meantime, i will respect YOUR wishes, and just offer my prayers for your
family, and for you to get through it.

Blessed be,
Baha

>I'll tell you up front, I don't want anyone here to tell me "You have to go
>see him!"  Okay?  He doesn't want that.  He's a proud man.  He does not want
>his daughter to see him with a home health aid (yes, Mom finally agreed she
>needed help) changing his soiled bedclothes.  OKAY?  So please don't
>criticize me and tell me I MUST GO.  I'm honoring their wishes by not doing
>so.
annoyed@net.spammers - 03 Dec 2007 02:26 GMT
>I'll miss him.  I really will.  But there's nothing I can do.  And my mom is
>right.  My being there won't change anything.  My next trip will be for his
>funeral.  So purrs for my dad to pass peacefully would be appreciated.
>Thank you.
>
>Jill

Peaceful purrs & hugs from our house to yours. We couldn't do a damn thing
when we got to my mom's hospital room just as the crash cart was going in. I
fscking lost it right there in ICU. My heart goes out to you big-time there
Jill, 'cause it sucked that I was there when it happened and it sucked for
my brother when he didn't get there in time.
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Joy - 03 Dec 2007 02:48 GMT
>>I'll miss him.  I really will.  But there's nothing I can do.  And my mom
>>is
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> Jill, 'cause it sucked that I was there when it happened and it sucked for
> my brother when he didn't get there in time.

There is really no good way to lose somebody you love.  However, the love
and concern of friends and family does help.

Joy (BTDT)
Monique Y. Mudama - 06 Dec 2007 23:44 GMT
> I'll miss him.  I really will.  But there's nothing I can do.  And
> my mom is right.  My being there won't change anything.  My next
> trip will be for his funeral.  So purrs for my dad to pass
> peacefully would be appreciated.  Thank you.

I'm so sorry.  That must feel awful.  Purrs for your dad and for you.

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polonca12000 - 08 Dec 2007 22:13 GMT
<snip>
> I'll miss him.  I really will.  But there's nothing I can do.  And my mom is
> right.  My being there won't change anything.  My next trip will be for his
> funeral.  So purrs for my dad to pass peacefully would be appreciated.
> Thank you.
>
> Jill

Lots and lots of purrs,
Polonca and Soncek

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