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Baha - 26 Nov 2007 20:55 GMT
...was unarguably the ugliest thing I have ever in my life pulled out of an
oven.

We began with The Brine. Louie put together a witches' brew of chicken broth,
apple cider, honey, maple syrup, salt and ginger ale with spices, and after
letting the SOB soak overnight we found he was not only well-thawed but he
presented us with something disturbingly phallic-looking. This, I discovered,
was the neck, though we found it in a place I never expected to find a neck.
Although if the head were attached, it would have reminded me of the boss I
had before Daniel. We then stuffed him with pieces of cut-up onion, apple,
pear and herbs, plopped him into the pan and put enough water in there to
come an inch or so up the side, as my freind and long-time turkey chef Olive
instructed. Of course, Olive never soaked a bird in brine and no one ever
warned us that there would be an overflow of juice and turkey fat that would
start a fire in the oven.

And so, once the supply of baking soda was used up, the rest of the juice
drained into two half-gallon pitchers, and half our bath towel collection
ruined, we rearranged Old Tom for his final degradation. Lifting him from the
pan to stick some vegetables in to bake with him, Tom's skin just
disintegrated. Literally peeled right off his nude flesh, leaving us staring
at a bird with prison pallor. We couldn't even dress him up again because,
like cheap clothing on a final clearance rack, it just broke up into little
bits when it hit the hot juice. In an act of desperation we mixed up a paste
of butter and herbs and smeared it on Tom's poor bare breast, waited for the
vegetation to develop a sense of comletion in its life's work, and called the
Mutha-in-Law. When she stopped laughing, and Louie told her that the bird had
just dropped both a leg and a wing from the rest of its carcass, she told us
that he was not only done, he was TOO done. And then there was this little
paper bag that rolled out of his insides along with the fruits we stuffed him
with. What do you know...so THOSE are giblets! Roasted with Tom all along. It
was hard to tell he was ready for duty, however, because he looked as naked
as the day he was hatched. It was too late, though. I had a throng of hungry
buddies who were expecting to be given the bird; and the bird we gave them.
We wrapped the monstrosity in foil and hoped for the best.

Fortunately Dennis had the implements to carve him, and the good sense to do
it away from the eyes of our friends who might have looked over his shoulder
and said, "Good GOD!!! What the hell IS that thing?" When we picked Tom up
from the pan his butt was stuck to the metal and fell off. It looked honestly
like something that was found by the roadside and rolled through a recently-
cut lawn. But it was actually a good, flavorful turkey, though no cover-boy
for Gourmet Magazine, and didn't turn out dry at all. We had enough to send
everyone at the party leftovers in abundance; we were planning for twenty,
but only half that number turned out. Usually Dennis hosts a good thirty
people every month. The most important thing was that we had a bunch of happy
friends, none of whom ended up hospitalized.

To you good cooks here, I owe a debt of gratitude. (you especially, Matthew,
you'd make some lucky bride out there a great chef, I mean husband!) To my
boss Daniel, I plead: next year, get LITTLE turkeys!

Blessed be,
Baha
Joy - 26 Nov 2007 21:03 GMT
> ..was unarguably the ugliest thing I have ever in my life pulled out of an
> oven.
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> Blessed be,
> Baha

ROTFLOL!  I assume this was the first turkey you ever cooked?

I've never heard of putting water in the pan with a roasting turkey.

Thanks for the laughs.  I'm glad it turned out okay.

Joy
Baha - 26 Nov 2007 21:56 GMT
>ROTFLOL!  I assume this was the first turkey you ever cooked?
the very, very first. How DID you know? I suppose the stuck butt gave it away?

>I've never heard of putting water in the pan with a roasting turkey.
I relied on my friend's many years of expertise. I'd had her turkeys. They
were always good, flavorful birds: the kind with nice brown skin from their
hours baking in the tanning booth. she swore up and down on putting a bit of
water in the pan. What I didn't know as that brining the bird increases the
juice output considerably: something Mutha-in-Law didn't enlighten me on
until AFTER we put the fire out. She will have much to answer for on
Judgement Day.

>Thanks for the laughs.  I'm glad it turned out okay.

And I am glad to have brought a smile to someone's face, having done my good
deed. I hope next year it comes out looking like a turkey and not an accident.

Blessed be,
Baha
Matthew - 26 Nov 2007 22:14 GMT
>>ROTFLOL!  I assume this was the first turkey you ever cooked?
> the very, very first. How DID you know? I suppose the stuck butt gave it
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> Blessed be,
> Baha

Next year Liz   If you can get a smaller turkey I will give you the recipe
on how to make one in the microwave
Daniel Mahoney - 26 Nov 2007 22:19 GMT
> And I am glad to have brought a smile to someone's face, having done my good
> deed. I hope next year it comes out looking like a turkey and not an accident.
>
> Blessed be,
> Baha

Take heart, your troubles have not been in vain. Since we traveled all the
way to WI for Thanksgiving we weren't able to bring large amounts of
left-over turkey home with us. I've come to REALLY depend on large amounts
of left-over turkey (I could live year round on nothing else - I love
turkey!).

Therefore, next weekend we're going to cook a turkey. I have never done
so on my own before. Having read of your experiences, I will do my very
best to watch out for those dangers. I'm sure I'll find plenty of other
embarrassing mistakes to make, but I now know of several to avoid.
Stormmee - 26 Nov 2007 22:19 GMT
perhaps you will get the mother of all hams next year, Lee

> >ROTFLOL!  I assume this was the first turkey you ever cooked?
> the very, very first. How DID you know? I suppose the stuck butt gave it away?
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Yowie - 27 Nov 2007 01:43 GMT
<snip disasterous but funny tale of cooking a turkey>

>> To my
>> boss Daniel, I plead: next year, get LITTLE turkeys!
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Thanks for the laughs.  I'm glad it turned out okay.

I put water in the bottom of a pan when I do roasts, but its *below* the
roast, the roast isn't sitting in it.

I do this for two reasons: first, the steam in the oven stops the meat
drying out so much, and second, the water catches all the drips of juice and
fat. About half an hour before serving, I take the water pan out, transfer
its contents to a saucepan to reduce the volume by boiling. The outside of
the roast crisps up in the oven in the mean time, but the inner part is
still juicy and moist. Once the water portion from the drip tray is at the
desired volume, I remove as much of the fat layer as I can, then add some
cornflour (or other thickening agent) and some salth, and it makes a
delicious gravy.

This is how I make sure that my roasts are 'low fat' (or lower than usual)
and hte gravy isn't heart-attack material :-) Oh, and my roasts tend to be
cooked to the point where the meat falls off the bone (we all like it like
that, can't stand any hint of pink in our roast meats - never done a turkey,
mind)

The fat, apprantly, makes wonderful dripping, but I can't stand the thought.
My father, on the other hand, loves 'bread and dripping' as a late evening
snack (must be a generational thing).

Yowie
Lesley - 28 Nov 2007 11:26 GMT
>The fat, apprantly, makes wonderful dripping, but I can't stand the thought.
>My father, on the other hand, loves 'bread and dripping' as a late evening
>snack (must be a generational thing).

When my parents were still alive I would go round on Xmas Eve and we'd have
the ritual of putting presents under the tree and my mum would serve turkey
dripping on toast- to me that was the start of Christmas.

Feeling a bit nostalgic for dripping and toast (beef dripping is also nice)

Lesley

Slave of the Fabulous Furballs
Granby - 27 Nov 2007 09:49 GMT
I would like your permission to send this "tale" to a couple of places that
collect "first time Turkey stories".   Was this by any chance a Butterball
before it's rearrangement?  I have already printed it out to take to work.
Ahhhh the stuff dreams and memories are made of.
>> ..was unarguably the ugliest thing I have ever in my life pulled out of
>> an
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>
> Joy
Baha - 01 Dec 2007 02:09 GMT
>I would like your permission to send this "tale" to a couple of places that
>collect "first time Turkey stories".   Was this by any chance a Butterball
>before it's rearrangement?  I have already printed it out to take to work.
>Ahhhh the stuff dreams and memories are made of.

Send away! It wasn't a Butterball, but one put out by an Upstate New York
poultry producer. Still, I always say, if i can make a person  laugh, and
help then avoid oven fires, my good deed for the day's done!

Blessed be,
Baha
Granby - 01 Dec 2007 04:31 GMT
And Honeychild you sure did make me laugh.  I remember so many firsts when
it comes to cooking.  My gravy plugged up a toilet and made it flood and
such thing.  So much for trying to hide the evidence before my mother-in-law
came!!
>>I would like your permission to send this "tale" to a couple of places
>>that
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> Blessed be,
> Baha
Matthew - 26 Nov 2007 21:13 GMT
> ..was unarguably the ugliest thing I have ever in my life pulled out of an
> oven.
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> Blessed be,
> Baha

baha you are most welcome

As a chef  I have had many cooking adventures we learn from them.  My first
turkey I burned to crisp and had smoke billowing out of the oven.  It was
like a comedy skit from mad TV.  It was a memory that sticks with me  like
the one you described it will always be a good laugh.

Next year we will get you to deep fry one.
Baha - 26 Nov 2007 21:57 GMT
>Next year we will get you to deep fry one.

We'll et me a fryer and buld me a nice wood patio so I can set it on fire too!
:-)

fortunately, no cats were harmed in the making of that turkey.

Blessed be,
Baha
Matthew - 26 Nov 2007 22:13 GMT
>>Next year we will get you to deep fry one.
>
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> Blessed be,
> Baha

LOL

< Big smile >
tanadashoes - 27 Nov 2007 02:07 GMT
> >Next year we will get you to deep fry one.
>
> We'll et me a fryer and buld me a nice wood patio so I can set it on fire too!
> :-)
>
> fortunately, no cats were harmed in the making of that turkey.

Yes, but did the cats get any turkey?

Pam S. who wants to know.
Baha - 01 Dec 2007 02:11 GMT
>Yes, but did the cats get any turkey?

The young'uns got a ampling because when we took the disaster out of the oven,
it sloshed all over the kitchen, and bits of meat and skin rode out on the
tide before we could get the bath towels ready for their immanent destruction.

Blessed be,
Baha
bastXXXette@sonic.net - 01 Dec 2007 05:55 GMT
> >Yes, but did the cats get any turkey?

> The young'uns got a ampling because when we took the disaster out of
> the oven, it sloshed all over the kitchen, and bits of meat and skin
> rode out on the tide before we could get the bath towels ready for
> their immanent destruction.

That's an astounding image. I think you've missed your calling. You
should be doing stand-up!

Joyce
Stormmee - 26 Nov 2007 22:18 GMT
I have Mathew filed away for future reference, if I cook for DH and he
leaves this plane I will need another cook, to warm me up... I mean warm
my... I mean fill my belly with warm food, yes that's what I meant, Lee
> ..was unarguably the ugliest thing I have ever in my life pulled out of an
> oven.
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Matthew - 26 Nov 2007 22:38 GMT
>I have Mathew filed away for future reference, if I cook for DH and he
> leaves this plane I will need another cook, to warm me up... I mean warm
> my... I mean fill my belly with warm food, yes that's what I meant, Lee

Behave yourself ;-)  You will make an old man blush

Anytime you need any recipe  I will email you my correct email.  the one I
have here is not complete
Stormmee - 26 Nov 2007 22:47 GMT
I have no problem creating recipes, its the actual mechanical preparation of
the thing that is just too much... I am not at all mechanical and anything
that takes those types of skills is beyond me, but I am a killer on making
recipes up in my head, I have the ability to taste ingredients as I consider
so I can get it right about 98 percent of the time... if I don't touch the
food... but thanks, you are a very nice gentleman, Lee

> >I have Mathew filed away for future reference, if I cook for DH and he
> > leaves this plane I will need another cook, to warm me up... I mean warm
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> Anytime you need any recipe  I will email you my correct email.  the one I
> have here is not complete
Matthew - 26 Nov 2007 23:10 GMT
>I have no problem creating recipes, its the actual mechanical preparation
>of
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> so I can get it right about 98 percent of the time... if I don't touch the
> food... but thanks, you are a very nice gentleman, Lee

Gentleman  why thank you in my best 3 stooges Curly voice  ;-)

< Curly yokel>
Matthew - 26 Nov 2007 23:19 GMT
I am the same way.  People see me add a dash here a dash there and they tell
me how much I say a dash  they tell me that was more than a dash.  So I got
tired of that and bought a novelty item  it was measuring spoons named a
tidbit, a dash, a smudge and so one.

I always scare them when I say a teaspoon and grab the item and can measure
it out without using the spoon

>I have no problem creating recipes, its the actual mechanical preparation
>of
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>> I
>> have here is not complete
Stormmee - 26 Nov 2007 23:27 GMT
gramby bought my DH a set of those, actually pretty cool, Lee
> I am the same way.  People see me add a dash here a dash there and they tell
> me how much I say a dash  they tell me that was more than a dash.  So I got
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
> >> I
> >> have here is not complete
Granby - 27 Nov 2007 09:45 GMT
Lee, behave yourself.  Probably one good cook to a lifetime anyway!!!!
Besides...never mind!
>I have Mathew filed away for future reference, if I cook for DH and he
> leaves this plane I will need another cook, to warm me up... I mean warm
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Stormmee - 27 Nov 2007 09:57 GMT
just because you are single is no reason to be mean about it...  you know
the truth though, my DH is smart enough to not be bad enough for me to cook
for him, therefore he won't be going from this plane anytime soon... lucky
me and lucky for the cats... Lee snickering to herself
> Lee, behave yourself.  Probably one good cook to a lifetime anyway!!!!
> Besides...never mind!
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Chessfreak - 27 Nov 2007 00:06 GMT
This story is one of the funniest things I have read in a long time. I loved
it.
Lynn
> ..was unarguably the ugliest thing I have ever in my life pulled out of an
> oven.
[quoted text clipped - 78 lines]
> Blessed be,
> Baha
Christine Burel - 27 Nov 2007 00:22 GMT
ROFLOL!  Lori, you may be challenged in turkey-cooking but you are an A+
writer -- I loved this story -- one of the best I've read in long time --  
will be forwarding this tale on to other friends in need of a hearty laugh!
Christine
> ..was unarguably the ugliest thing I have ever in my life pulled out of an
> oven.
[quoted text clipped - 78 lines]
> Blessed be,
> Baha
Christine Burel - 27 Nov 2007 01:21 GMT
> ROFLOL!  Lori, you may be challenged in turkey-cooking but you are an A+
> writer -- I loved this story -- one of the best I've read in long time --  
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>> an
>> oven.

great story snip

oops, Baha, I really do know you're not Lori!  You both are quite
accomplished writers, though
;o)
jofirey - 27 Nov 2007 01:57 GMT
Now I'll tell you a little turkey secret.  Those beautiful golden birds you
see the chefs carving on TV?

They are as dry as toast.

Sounds like you did right well for your first attempt.

A little of the too many cooks when you both do a complicated brine as well
as add liquid to the roasting pan, but that's what makes life interesting.
(Well except for the fire)

Yes I've ended up with turkey fat spilled on the bottom of the oven.  Never
had the luck to ignite it though.

It sounds like you made your Mother-in-laws day as well.  She is gonna get a
lot of mileage out of that story.

Jo

> ..was unarguably the ugliest thing I have ever in my life pulled out of an
> oven.
[quoted text clipped - 78 lines]
> Blessed be,
> Baha
Matthew - 27 Nov 2007 02:44 GMT
My turkeys look like that but are very juicy
I use a coke to baste the turkey  and a very special rub on it to make it
crispy yet juicy

> Now I'll tell you a little turkey secret.  Those beautiful golden birds
> you see the chefs carving on TV?
[quoted text clipped - 105 lines]
>> Blessed be,
>> Baha
Joy - 27 Nov 2007 02:54 GMT
Before my daughter took over the turkey-cooking job in our family, I used to
cook them breast down.  They aren't nearly so pretty that way, but the
breast meat isn't nearly as dry.

Signature

Joy

Constant change is here to stay.

> My turkeys look like that but are very juicy
> I use a coke to baste the turkey  and a very special rub on it to make it
[quoted text clipped - 113 lines]
>>> Blessed be,
>>> Baha
Matthew - 27 Nov 2007 03:08 GMT
The best way to keep the turkey moist is to inject it as it is cooking and
before your start

I take it out when it reaches 165 degrees than I wrap it in tin foil and let
it sit it cooks it self.  The meat is pliable and retains heat.  So many
cooks dry their birds out by getting it 180 than letting it sit in the oven
cooling it only dries the bird out

There are so many ways to keep it moist  but nothing beats the deep fried
turkey  crispy juicy and man what a taste

> Before my daughter took over the turkey-cooking job in our family, I used
> to cook them breast down.  They aren't nearly so pretty that way, but the
[quoted text clipped - 118 lines]
>>>> Blessed be,
>>>> Baha
bastXXXette@sonic.net - 27 Nov 2007 03:00 GMT
> My turkeys look like that but are very juicy
> I use a coke to baste the turkey  and a very special rub on it to make it
> crispy yet juicy

You baste your turkey in *coke*?? (Er, that's "Coke" - capital C. I knew
it wasn't the other kind! :))

Oh, well, why not? People cook with all sorts of things, but this is a
new one to me.

Joyce
Matthew - 27 Nov 2007 03:13 GMT
> > My turkeys look like that but are very juicy
> > I use a coke to baste the turkey  and a very special rub on it to make
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Joyce

Why not I am in the perfect state for it  it washes up on shore in kilos all
the time ;-)

I only use one can I pour it over it and keep basting with it till it is
absorbed  than I add my special base broth for the rest of the basting.
Makes one heck of a sweet tasting gravy

I also do ham that way  it keeps it very moist and gives a little crispness
to the skin  making it darker.  I have also used paper bags ( the edible
kind ) to cook  there is a definite different taste in the good way  what
ever I cook it comes out nice and moist
Baha - 01 Dec 2007 02:15 GMT
>Now I'll tell you a little turkey secret.  Those beautiful golden birds you
>see the chefs carving on TV?
>
>They are as dry as toast.

Actually Iv'e heard stories of these "food artists" who do cosmetic work, so
to speak, for food magazines and ads. I would n ot be surprised if the cover-
boy on Gourmet magazine was browned with a blowtorch; one cookbook I'd read,
which may have been an old edition of the "I Hate To Cook Book" before the
new edited compilation came out, mentioned something about lacquering a
lobster. Still, it is disheartening to know you could have been arrested for
Arson By Bird.

Blessed be,
Baha
Granby - 27 Nov 2007 04:33 GMT
This description of cooking  a turkey has to be the funniest thing I have
read in YEARS!!  You had, you cooked, you conquered, in the end that is all
that mattered.  I have always wondered why they put the neck in the
turkeys........and the giblets where its head should be.  After sixty plus
years I don't suppose I need to know.  You will laugh about this for years
to come and, after all, that is what Thanksgiving is about!!!
> ..was unarguably the ugliest thing I have ever in my life pulled out of an
> oven.
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> Blessed be,
> Baha
jofirey - 27 Nov 2007 21:08 GMT
> This description of cooking  a turkey has to be the funniest thing I have
> read in YEARS!!  You had, you cooked, you conquered, in the end that is
> all that mattered.  I have always wondered why they put the neck in the
> turkeys........and the giblets where its head should be.  After sixty plus
> years I don't suppose I need to know.

That's where they put them because that is where they fit.

LOL..

Jo
Baha - 01 Dec 2007 02:19 GMT
>This description of cooking  a turkey has to be the funniest thing I have
>read in YEARS!!  You had, you cooked, you conquered, in the end that is all
>that mattered.  I have always wondered why they put the neck in the
>turkeys........and the giblets where its head should be.

Those giblets were decidedly NOT where any being's head ought to have been,
except if that being were my old boss at the bank before i was
unceremoniously canned last year! It shared space with the neck, which
revealed itself after swimming in that brine; and either I was so hopped up
on My First Bird (my first that I didn't have to lift a finger for, if you
get my drift!) that I just missed it, or it was stuck in Tom's most personal
parts very discreetly.

Blessed be,
Baha
Jeanne Hedge - 03 Dec 2007 00:21 GMT
>>This description of cooking  a turkey has to be the funniest thing I have
>>read in YEARS!!  You had, you cooked, you conquered, in the end that is all
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>get my drift!) that I just missed it, or it was stuck in Tom's most personal
>parts very discreetly.

The last time my mom cooked a turkey there were no giblets at all.
Made her rather irritated, as she cuts them up and uses them in her
stuffing recipe.  Hadn't ever happened before, and the packaging
didn't mention there was no bag of innards in this bird.

Now, picture my dad running around their small town on Thanksgiving
morning, looking for A) some store that was open, and B) said store
sold chicken livers (only replacement we could think of)   (he found
one, btw)

Jeanne Hedge

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Marina - 27 Nov 2007 05:34 GMT
> ...was unarguably the ugliest thing I have ever in my life pulled out of an
> oven.

<snip hilarious account of cooking a turkey>

Thanks for the ROFL, Baha. It tasted good, that's the main thing, not
looking pretty. :)

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annoyed@net.spammers - 27 Nov 2007 20:48 GMT
>> ...was unarguably the ugliest thing I have ever in my life pulled out of an
>> oven.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>Thanks for the ROFL, Baha. It tasted good, that's the main thing, not
>looking pretty. :)

A couple more tips that we picked up, one from the Butterball hotline, the
other from Rachel Ray:

Slice some pats of butter and shove them under the breast skin.  The butter
melts and keeps the meat moist.

Take some fresh rosemary and stuff that under the skin as well. The
rosemary and the butter infuse into the meat and gives it a nice savory
taste.
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is to look for shrapnel in the trees." - Jamie Hyneman

Yowie - 27 Nov 2007 09:49 GMT
On the topic of holiday food...

We don't do Thankgiving here in Australia, so the time for over-doing the
cooking and the eating is Christmas.

Several Christmases ago (I think it was 2004) I had got a bulk deal on
corned beef. I had gotten a slow cooker the previous July and thought that I
could give a corened beef a go  and it turne dout delicious. So much so that
when my mother said that instead of everyone bring enough food for 6 people
(6 people bringing enough food for 6 is *way* to much food!) that each
*family* just brings what they'd like for Christmas Lunch, and other peole
to want to 'swap' then all well and good, but you know tha ta) you'll get
something you can actualy eat and enjoy and b) there won't be an embrassing
amount of food left.

So, with the success of the first corned beef, I made two more for the
Christmas meal.

Everyone loved it and although there was left overs, there wasn't *that*
much left over!

For Christmas 2005, I made another, to the same amount of praise.

And last year, I thought I may as well follow tradition and do it again, and
got the same reception.

Except that my Dad shakes his head that out of all the fancy food that we
can now afford (he's a war baby) that the one cheap and unglamourous meat
that you could get on your food stamps when he was young is now considered a
"Christmas Delicacy" - although it doens't stop him from helping himself to
thirds!

Yowie
Yowie - 27 Nov 2007 10:01 GMT
> ..was unarguably the ugliest thing I have ever in my life pulled out of an
> oven.

<snip>

> To you good cooks here, I owe a debt of gratitude. (you especially,
> Matthew,
> you'd make some lucky bride out there a great chef, I mean husband!) To my
> boss Daniel, I plead: next year, get LITTLE turkeys!

My mother is not a good cook. She's not a good housekeeper either. She,
unfortuantley, was born with incredible brains in a time when the only
purpose for women was to cook, clean, and raise children. One thing my
mohter enforced in my sister and I was *not to waste our brains* (although
she didn't instill a great love of housework, oddly enough)

She has had many many disasters inthe kitchen, and even when she doens't,
the food is edible but not great. However, she's smart. Too smart, really.
And she is creative. And so when she 'experiments' and it fails, she doesn't
just throw it in the bin and order take-out, she adds even more weird stuff
and calls it something exotic.

For example, she had heard a good 'trick' for keeping the grated cheese one
sprinkles on spag bol free flowing and not sticky in the Aussie heat was to
lightly dust it with cornflour, so she tried it. The method worked, but the
cheese was oddly - but not unpleasantly - sweet. We questioned this oddly
sweet cheese, and Mum just smiled and said she had seen "Lithuanian Yak
Cheese" on special at the supermarket and decided to give it a go. Being
none-the-wiser, we ate it up.

What had actually happened is that she'd accidently dusted it with icing
sugar.

Mum was making a classic English meal - curry - and instead of just shaking
a bit of the powder out, the lid fell off and the whole jar of spice fell
in, making the sauce exceptionally hot. Not wanting to waste it, Mum then
dumped some sour cream into it to cool it down and called it "Burmese Beef".
It sorta tasted like a cross between Beef Stroganoff and Thai Yellow Curry,
and whilst I wouldnt' say it was a raging success, we managed to eat what
was put in front of us.

The list of culinary disasters and creative re-namings is incredibly long,
so I won't bore you with the rest, but that is what you get when you force
an incredible intellect to be a "mere" housewife. :-)

Yowie
Stormmee - 27 Nov 2007 11:23 GMT
I firmly believe that there is a home making gene that I did NOT get, Lee
> > ..was unarguably the ugliest thing I have ever in my life pulled out of an
> > oven.
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>
> Yowie
Monique Y. Mudama - 06 Dec 2007 00:43 GMT
Thanks for some very entertaining anecdotes =)

> She has had many many disasters inthe kitchen, and even when she
> doens't, the food is edible but not great. However, she's smart. Too
[quoted text clipped - 28 lines]
>
> Yowie

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Christina Websell - 27 Nov 2007 18:33 GMT
This made me giggle out loud.  Thank you, Baha, for posting this.  So. so
funny.

I remember only too well the very first turkey *I* cooked.  It was a
Christmas gift from my DH's employer, not too huge, around 13lbs IIRC.  We
had recently bought our first home and I was very proud to be able to "do
Christmas Day lunch and all day-food until bedtime" for my mother and
brothers for the first time.
I took some good advice about how to cook him, and got up at 6 a.m. to put
him in the oven (lunch planned for around 1 pm.)  Guests arrived about 12,
should have been easy-peasy, potatoes, veggies, sage and onion stuffing.
chipolatas etc, etc ready and waiting.
I took the turkey out of the oven and it was not cooked to tenderness.  The
accompaniments were half-ready by then, so I put the turkey back in the oven
and turned the temperature up a bit.  An hour later the $%&*" thing was
still not tender and everything else was ruined.

Bless her, my late mum was careful not to interfere with my first attempt at
being a brilliant housewife at Christmas.  She hovered in the background
(hungry, no doubt ;-)) and only came forward when I burst into tears.  "Let
me look at this bird," she said.  So she did. "This bird is as old as
Methusaleh" she said. "It will never cook to tenderness, I suspect the boss
ran over an old pet turkey in a farmyard and gave it to you for a Christmas
present.  Disgusting!"
So we sat and ate the overdone vegetables with turkey gravy and I cried
because I had wanted my first Christmas turkey for my family to be special.
My mum said it didn't matter.  It did to me.  She said it to make me feel
better because she knew how much "providing my first Christmas for my
family" meant.

When DH got back to work after Christmas he told his colleagues about the
turkey - because they had all had one as a generous gift.
They were all the same.  Ancient, sinewy, could not be eaten and spoilt
everyone's Christmas.  What a cheapskate employer to find some sort of
elderly turkeys from somewhere to give his employees as a Christmas bonus
(because we don't think we need to buy one ourselves then..)

Tweed
P.S.  I still know his name..
jofirey - 28 Nov 2007 00:30 GMT
> This made me giggle out loud.  Thank you, Baha, for posting this.  So. so
> funny.
[quoted text clipped - 36 lines]
> Tweed
> P.S.  I still know his name..

We were fortunate for years to get a huge turkey for Thanksgiving and
Christmas every year from Charlie's employer, the local Coors distributor.

The man's name was Ed Goethe, may he rest in peace.  Not an easy man to work
for in his later years, but very generous when the mood struck.  Much
earlier in his life he had raised turkeys, and he had very strong opinions
of  what constituted a proper bird.  He knew the owner of a relatively local
turkey farm that raised only the best for the finest hotels and gourmet
markets and restaurants.  Raised outdoors in pens and fed the very best
until a few days before the holiday.  He used to send one of the
refrigerated beer trucks to pick up a load of the freshly packaged birds a
couple of days before the holiday.  Every one who worked for him got a
turkey.

My mouth still waters when I remember those lovely broadbreasted delights.
I don't think it would have been possible to cook one of them badly.

Jo
A Hidden Cat Lover - 27 Nov 2007 18:43 GMT
> ..was unarguably the ugliest thing I have ever in my life pulled out of an
> oven.
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> --
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Thanks for the smile
Hazel Az - 28 Nov 2007 01:18 GMT
> ..was unarguably the ugliest thing I have ever in my life pulled out of an
> oven.

>   <snip one heck of a funny story>

>> To you good cooks here, I owe a debt of gratitude. (you especially,
>> Matthew,
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Blessed be,
> Baha

Take heart Baha, even the very best cooks have disaster stories from the
first time they tried to make a fancy or important dinner.  Thank you for
the laugh.

Hazel Az
jmcquown - 29 Nov 2007 23:01 GMT
> ..was unarguably the ugliest thing I have ever in my life pulled out
> of an oven.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> in a place I never expected to find a neck. Although if the head were
> attached, it would have reminded me of the boss I had before Daniel.

If you'd actually *read* the posts you would have found they put the turkey
neck inside the cavity of the turkey.  You also would have learned GINGER
ALE is NOT the recommended method for roasting a turkey.  Did you just ask
here for fun?  Or to set out for failure?

> We then stuffed him with pieces of cut-up onion, apple, pear and
> herbs, plopped him into the pan and put enough water

WATER?  Who said anything about water?

> an inch or so up the side, as my freind and long-time turkey chef
> Olive instructed.

Obviously NOT a long-time turkey cooker (I would use the term "chef"
lightly.  No one I've ever known in 35 years of cooking suggested water in
the pan.

Of course, Olive never soaked a bird in brine and
> no one ever warned us that there would be an overflow of juice and
> turkey fat that would start a fire in the oven.

Did you pay *any* attention to the depth of the pan needed for a 20 lb.
bird?  And did you ever consider it was weird to add water and even brine to
a bird?

> And so, once the supply of baking soda was used up, the rest of the
> juice drained into two half-gallon pitchers, and half our bath towel
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> final clearance rack, it just broke up into little bits when it hit
> the hot juice.

I had to snip the rest of this horrifying tale.  Get yourself a Betty
Crocker or Good Housekeeping cookbook if you plan to cook anything.  Stop
listening to this brining, injecting FoodTV crap and just roast a friggin
turkey.  Do you think the Pilgrims (to which roast turkey is credited, be it
on Thanksgiving or not) had all that stuff available to them?  No.  Sheesh.
It's not difficult.  Doesn't require brown sugar, apple cider, honey or
maple syrup.  And NO Ginger Ale.  You didn't listen to any of us, even
though you asked for advice.  I'm quite sure I would have found the turkey
quite distasteful.  I don't even want to know if you made mashed potatoes
and, if you did how you, massacred them.

Jill
Joy - 29 Nov 2007 23:25 GMT
>> ..was unarguably the ugliest thing I have ever in my life pulled out
>> of an oven.
[quoted text clipped - 58 lines]
>
> Jill

Wow!  Is it just remembering your old job or something else that put you in
such a bad mood?

Most of us managed to enjoy the humor of the story.  Also, some people like
turkey brined.  Some even like it barbecued or deep fried.  Is that a crime?

Joy
bastXXXette@sonic.net - 30 Nov 2007 00:27 GMT
> "jmcquown" <jmcquown@bellsouth.net> wrote in message

>> [inexcusable b*tchiness snipped]
>>
>> Jill

> Wow!  Is it just remembering your old job or something else that
> put you in such a bad mood?
>
> Most of us managed to enjoy the humor of the story.  Also, some
> people like turkey brined.  Some even like it barbecued or deep
> fried.  Is that a crime?

Oh, who cares what's putting her in a bad mood? That's just an excuse,
and there are no excuses for dumping on Baha in such a snotty way. Not
to mention being seriously humor-impaired.

Hey Baha, I thought your efforts were valiant and the story about it
was funny. It's not only not a crime to like your turkey cooked in
unconventional ways, as Joy mentioned, but it is also NOT A CRIME TO
MAKE MISTAKES. So don't worry about it!

Joyce
jmcquown - 30 Nov 2007 00:39 GMT
>  > "jmcquown" <jmcquown@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
>
> Joyce

I apologize.  But she asked well before the day for advice and apparently
got a lot of good tips... and then disregarded every single one of them.

And no, this has nothing to do with my old job which was in 1992.  I'm just
one of those people, if you ask with any sincerity, "should I add 7-UP?" and
are told NO, then don't bitch if you add 7-UP and it turns out like it was
boiled in sugar... because that's exactly what it is. Save the 7-UP for
drinking at the table.  Gonna go hug Persia now.
Stormmee - 30 Nov 2007 01:24 GMT
seems to me she asked for advice not signed a contract, this really was
funny to me, who couldn't even do as good as she did, so for the real cooks
like Matthew and some others here this should have had you rolling, again
Jill, she did nothing wrong... it got cooked and the eaters of it liked it,
Lee

> >  > "jmcquown" <jmcquown@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> >
[quoted text clipped - 28 lines]
> boiled in sugar... because that's exactly what it is. Save the 7-UP for
> drinking at the table.  Gonna go hug Persia now.
Granby - 30 Nov 2007 01:11 GMT
For heavens sake we surely are noting going to flame over someone's first
time cooking a turkey.  BTW I always put a little water in the bottom of the
pan to keep the turkey from drying and sticking to the pan before the juices
flow enough.  Lee and I could tell you some stories about blind folks
cooking fro the first time but that would probably start world war 111.  Be
kind.
>>> ..was unarguably the ugliest thing I have ever in my life pulled out
>>> of an oven.
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>
> Joy
Monique Y. Mudama - 06 Dec 2007 00:40 GMT
> For heavens sake we surely are noting going to flame over someone's first
> time cooking a turkey.  BTW I always put a little water in the bottom of the
> pan to keep the turkey from drying and sticking to the pan before the juices
> flow enough.  

My MIL uses long celery stalks and carrots as a "platform" on which
the turkey sits.  It keeps the turkey from sticking, keeps it from
getting soggy, and adds flavor to the drippings for the eventual
gravy.

I'm sure you make a great turkey; this is just another way of doing
it.

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Yowie - 06 Dec 2007 01:13 GMT
>> For heavens sake we surely are noting going to flame over someone's first
>> time cooking a turkey.  BTW I always put a little water in the bottom of
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> I'm sure you make a great turkey; this is just another way of doing
> it.

Hey! Thats really smart! I'm gonna borrow that idea.

Yowie
Monique Y. Mudama - 06 Dec 2007 02:56 GMT
>>> For heavens sake we surely are noting going to flame over
>>> someone's first time cooking a turkey.  BTW I always put a little
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> Hey! Thats really smart! I'm gonna borrow that idea.

=)  She's a smart woman.

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bastXXXette@sonic.net - 06 Dec 2007 01:24 GMT
> My MIL uses long celery stalks and carrots as a "platform" on which
> the turkey sits.  It keeps the turkey from sticking, keeps it from
> getting soggy, and adds flavor to the drippings for the eventual
> gravy.

That's an excellent idea. And besides all of the above, then you have
some vegetables! :)

Joyce
Monique Y. Mudama - 06 Dec 2007 02:56 GMT
> > My MIL uses long celery stalks and carrots as a "platform" on
> > which the turkey sits.  It keeps the turkey from sticking, keeps
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Joyce

True!

We did it this year, with our first turkey, and it turned out well.
(A little too peppery -- I rubbed the skin with salt and pepper,
except we didn't have any pre-ground black pepper, and grinding was
taking forever, so I used ground white pepper instead.  It turns out
it's a *lot* stronger than black ... but hey, it was fine, and it
added flavor to the turkey soup I made afterwards =)  )

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Baha - 07 Dec 2007 02:34 GMT
>My MIL uses long celery stalks and carrots as a "platform" on which
>the turkey sits.  It keeps the turkey from sticking, keeps it from
>getting soggy, and adds flavor to the drippings for the eventual
>gravy.

That was Louie's intention when he moved the bird--you know, when his butt
got stuck to the pan. It was all over from thatpoint...

Blessed be,
Baha
Monique Y. Mudama - 07 Dec 2007 14:36 GMT
>>My MIL uses long celery stalks and carrots as a "platform" on which
>>the turkey sits.  It keeps the turkey from sticking, keeps it from
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> That was Louie's intention when he moved the bird--you know, when
> his butt got stuck to the pan. It was all over from thatpoint...

=/

At least you got a great story out of it.  You'll be telling that
story for years to come, no doubt.  I sure would.

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Lesley - 08 Dec 2007 20:09 GMT
> That was Louie's intention when he moved the bird--you know, when his butt
> got stuck to the pan.

Serious BW needed! I read that sentence and it read as if it was Louie
whose butt got stuck to the pan!

Lesley

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Jeanne Hedge - 08 Dec 2007 18:07 GMT
>> For heavens sake we surely are noting going to flame over someone's first
>> time cooking a turkey.  BTW I always put a little water in the bottom of the
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>getting soggy, and adds flavor to the drippings for the eventual
>gravy.

My mom does almost the same thing. First she lightly butters the
outside of the bird (even if it's a Butterball). Then she puts flour
inside the turkey bag (lightly - just put some flour in, hand-close
the end of the bag, and shake it around to lightly dust the inside of
the bag). Next, she puts a few (small) stalks of celery and a section
of onion(!) in the bottom of the bag too. Then the turkey goes into
the bag on top of the celery and onion, seal the bag, and everything
into the roasting pan!  

Although the onion usually ends up shoved to the end of the bag when
the turkey goes in, she does try to maneuver the celery back
underneath the bird before it goes back into the oven.

Jeanne Hedge

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Jeanne Hedge - 08 Dec 2007 18:20 GMT
>My mom does almost the same thing. First she lightly butters the
>outside of the bird (even if it's a Butterball). Then she puts flour

Forgot to mention that she also salts and peppers the bird somewhere
in this process. Not too much of either, and I'm not sure if she does
it before or after the buttering (which involves holding a piece of
butter/margarine in your fingers and rubbing it all over the bird).

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jofirey - 08 Dec 2007 18:49 GMT
>>My mom does almost the same thing. First she lightly butters the
>>outside of the bird (even if it's a Butterball). Then she puts flour
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> it before or after the buttering (which involves holding a piece of
> butter/margarine in your fingers and rubbing it all over the bird).

Thats for sissies.  I use either soft butter or butter flavor shortening,
and rub it all over the bird with both hands.  Really rub it in.  By the
time I've reached that point in turkey prep, my hands have been washed at
least five or six times very thoroughly anyway.

Jo
Jeanne Hedge - 08 Dec 2007 19:00 GMT
>> Forgot to mention that she also salts and peppers the bird somewhere
>> in this process. Not too much of either, and I'm not sure if she does
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>time I've reached that point in turkey prep, my hands have been washed at
>least five or six times very thoroughly anyway.

Well, your way is how things usually end up, and it isn't just when my
little niece is helping grandma either <g>

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Monique Y. Mudama - 08 Dec 2007 18:27 GMT
>>> For heavens sake we surely are noting going to flame over
>>> someone's first time cooking a turkey.  BTW I always put a little
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> the turkey goes in, she does try to maneuver the celery back
> underneath the bird before it goes back into the oven.

A few people in my family suggested the bag, but we went without and
it was fine.  I guess it just helps keep the whole thing moist?

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Jeanne Hedge - 08 Dec 2007 19:10 GMT
>> Although the onion usually ends up shoved to the end of the bag when
>> the turkey goes in, she does try to maneuver the celery back
>> underneath the bird before it goes back into the oven.
>
>A few people in my family suggested the bag, but we went without and
>it was fine.  I guess it just helps keep the whole thing moist?

That's the idea, I think, that and keeping the bird from sticking to
the pan (we've always used the bag in my memory, so I don't know how
common it is for the bird to stick).

We do slice open the top of the bag for the last 30-45 minutes of
cooking time to let the bird brown more, and there's this great cloud
of great smelling steam that comes out  (mom says cooking the last
little while with the bag open (in essence, without the bag) makes a
difference in browning - I don't know if it really does or not)

After the bird's been moved to the cutting tray, if the bag has leaked
into the roasting pan we'll dump the rest of the juices from the bag
into the roasting pan and make the gravy there.  If there's been no
leakage (not very common), we sometimes make the gravy in the roasting
pan anyway.

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bastXXXette@sonic.net - 08 Dec 2007 20:36 GMT
I just thought I'd mention that this thread caused me to have a dream
last night about some friends having cooked an *enormous* turkey, about
the size of a large dog. :)

Joyce
Stormmee - 30 Nov 2007 01:20 GMT
Jill,

Lighten up!!! I have had turkey lots of ways and its all good, I think she
was asking several places for advice... and BTW brining is a time honored
tradition... used to preserve and flavor, my grandmother used it in several
ways... you, who are generally not to harsh were this time,

Lee
> > ..was unarguably the ugliest thing I have ever in my life pulled out
> > of an oven.
[quoted text clipped - 54 lines]
>
> Jill
Baha - 01 Dec 2007 02:26 GMT
>If you'd actually *read* the posts you would have found they put the turkey
>neck inside the cavity of the turkey.  You also would have learned GINGER
>ALE is NOT the recommended method for roasting a turkey.  Did you just ask
>here for fun?  Or to set out for failure?

My husband was responsible. I did not fix the brine, and I told him about the
posts. And he was the one to call Olive.

>WATER?  Who said anything about water?

Olive.

>I had to snip the rest of this horrifying tale.  Get yourself a Betty
>Crocker or Good Housekeeping cookbook if you plan to cook anything.  Stop
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>quite distasteful.  I don't even want to know if you made mashed potatoes
>and, if you did how you, massacred them.

I didn't even want to brine the damned thing. My husband listened to Olive
and his mother, and as I have told him over the past five years anyone who
listens to my mother is law is setting himself up for disaster.

Blessed be,
Baha

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