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Cat Forum / Cat Anecdotes / November 2007Help! Hateful apartment manager!
As if the flood from above wasn't enough. Senyah got a phone call today from the office telling her that we were only allowed two cats and that we had to put the extra outside right now. Buster has expressed his preference for outdoors for the past month, so no problem there... Senyah picked Bucky and little Boy since they were the newest members. I am in tears. I am cuddling Little Boy right now, and getting his fur all wet. Bucky, as terrorized as he was by all the stuff going on, has simply vanished. I can't disagree with Senyah's choices - Little Feet is staying. No ifs and or buts. Dulce Mae was abandoned by a previous resident, and I don't want to abandon her again. Bucky and Little Boy were ferals when they came here, but still... Little Boy is like a teddy bear - he loves to cuddle, and kisses me on the mouth. He likes to sleep across my neck and/or to share my pillow. He is a real love bug. I may end up having to let him out in the morning and let him back in at night. Bucky is a more nervous temperment - I think because his mom cat moved on when he was just under a year old, about the time we started letting him in last year. Is there asnyone in the Dallas/Fort Worth area who can take in Bucky and/or Little Boy? I can't just throw them out. Gads, I HATE the management here! Purrs and Hugs and Tears, Mark Many hugs and purrs for you and Senyah that you can find a good solution to this. I'm so sorry for all your difficulties -- I guess I would suggest you look on www.petfinder.com and see what rescue groups are in your area and start contacting them to see if they can help you. I would also suggest that you might consider offering to "sponsor" the kitties (i.e., help pay for their food/litter/upkeep or offer a donation). thinking of you all, Christine > As if the flood from above wasn't enough. > [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > Purrs and Hugs and Tears, > Mark > Senyah got a phone call today from the office telling her that we were > only allowed two cats and that we had to put the extra outside right > now. Can't you just tell them to mind their own goddamn business? Post their names and contact details here, for a start. They'll come down a peg if they know the whole world is watching. ============== j-c ====== @ ====== purr . demon . co . uk ============== Jack Campin: 11 Third St, Newtongrange EH22 4PU, Scotland | tel 0131 660 4760 <http://www.purr.demon.co.uk/jack/> for CD-ROMs and free | fax 0870 0554 975 stuff: Scottish music, food intolerance, & Mac logic fonts | mob 07800 739 557 >> Senyah got a phone call today from the office telling her that we were >> only allowed two cats and that we had to put the extra outside right >> now. > Can't you just tell them to mind their own goddamn business? Well, they do own the property, so legally, they have the right to determine how many pets their tenants can have. This doesn't mean they're not being utter jerks about it, but I'm talking legally, here. Mark and Senyah might have some legal recourse, because in many places you can't just toss a tenant out on their ear with no warning - even without rent control. It takes some time to go through the eviction process. So at the very least, they might be able to do a bit of stalling while they figure out what to do, and/or find a new place. The real issue here is keeping the cats safe. > Post their names and contact details here, for a start. They'll > come down a peg if they know the whole world is watching. This would be a bad idea - it would probably backfire and cause Mark and his human and feline family more trouble, IMO. Joyce >> [quoted text muted] > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > free | fax 0870 0554 975 stuff: Scottish music, food intolerance, & Mac > logic fonts | mob 07800 739 557 That is why I suggested a TV Fixit guy. Let the whole world know about it. Our local one really does a lot of good. MLB > As if the flood from above wasn't enough. > [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > Purrs and Hugs and Tears, > Mark We would if we could, Mark, but we're full up and dealing with a very elderly, CRF Miss Tiger and stressing her wouldn't be fair. Could you find somewhere to keep them, a friend's or something, for awhile? Perhaps that bas&a*d will forget about it and you can sneak them back in? Is moving out of the question? Doesn't seem like such a good place, based on what you've been going through. > As if the flood from above wasn't enough. > [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > Purrs and Hugs and Tears, > Mark I'm so sorry, Mark. Is there *any* room for negotiations? More deposit money, etc.? Purrs for a solution to materialize soon. Sherry >As if the flood from above wasn't enough. > [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] >Purrs and Hugs and Tears, >Mark HI Mark, Can you get Senyah's or your doctor to "prescribe" the cats for you, as therapy pets? After all, you are extremely depressed about losing them, and Senyah's MS has been aggravated by her being upset about the cold heartedness of the management. Do you have to pay extra for the 2 you have? Can you 'sneak' them back in, making sure that they aren't seen by management until you can either negotiate paying extra, or get the dr's 'script' for them? My heart goes out to you and them - they must be terrified! I will pray to Bast that things come out in your favour. Mishi >> As if the flood from above wasn't enough. >> [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > > Mishi I'm not sure a 'doctor's script' will make any difference if there is a clause in the lease concerning the number of pets allowed. I'm not allowed to have more than 2 dogs or cats and they must be under 25 lbs. It stated in the lease and the management company wouldn't care if 10 doctors said I needed more. Jill <snip> >> Can you get Senyah's or your doctor to "prescribe" the cats for you, >> as therapy pets? After all, you are extremely depressed about losing [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > >Jill Hi Jill, I used to work with the handicapped, and one of my clients adopted a cat. Her landlord told her to get rid of it, and when she went to her dr, he wrote her a note stating that the cat was 'vital to her health and wellbeing' and she should be allowed to keep it. Since she lived in HUD housing, they had to allow her to keep it. Mishi > <snip> >>> Can you get Senyah's or your doctor to "prescribe" the cats for you, [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > and wellbeing' and she should be allowed to keep it. Since she lived > in HUD housing, they had to allow her to keep it. One cat, maybe. I doubt Mark's apartment would accept the fact that they need multiple therapy cats. They *might*... Jill Mark I am so sorry > As if the flood from above wasn't enough. > [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > Purrs and Hugs and Tears, > Mark Damn, Mark. They've been with you for years and now you're expected to part with them. That's just not right. I'd love to give them a forever home but Seattle's just a bit too far to offer. I'm so sorry. We'll purr for a good resolution to rise from the ashes of your hurt. Sam, closely supervised by Mistletoe > As if the flood from above wasn't enough. > [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > Purrs and Hugs and Tears, > Mark Purrs and hugs to all of you! I hope you can find a solution. I'd try to help, but I can't do much from California. Joy > Senyah got a phone call today from the office telling her that we were > only allowed two cats and that we had to put the extra outside right > now. [snip] > Is there asnyone in the Dallas/Fort Worth area who can take in Bucky > and/or Little Boy? I can't just throw them out. Gads, I HATE the > management here! Oh my god, that's horrible news! Can you go back to talk to them and explain the situation and maybe work something out, at least so you don't have to toss them out *immediately*? Maybe you could at least get enough time to find them good homes? Is moving an option?? Big purrs for a quick solution, Joyce > > Senyah got a phone call today from the office telling her that we > were > only allowed two cats and that we had to put the extra [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > don't have to toss them out *immediately*? Maybe you could at least > get enough time to find them good homes? I agree, Joyce. It's utterly ridiculous to be told to get rid of them *right now*. They should be given the option of rehoming. > Is moving an option?? > > Big purrs for a quick solution, > Joyce Purrs for Mark for a great solution. Jill "Mark Edwards" <Mark-Edwards@comcast.net> wrote > > As if the flood from above wasn't enough. > Senyah got a phone call today from the office telling her that we were > only allowed two cats and that we had to put the extra outside right > now. Dreadful. Can't help from the UK but purrs for a satisfactory resolution and litterbox offerings of the most noxious kind to the apartment management. Purrs again Gordon & the FF > As if the flood from above wasn't enough. > > Senyah got a phone call today from the office telling her that we were > only allowed two cats and that we had to put the extra outside right > now. That's really awful, Mark, the thought of it makes me feel physicaly sick.  SignatureAdrian (Owned by Snoopy & Bagheera) Cats leave pawprints on your heart http://community.webshots.com/user/clowderuk > As if the flood from above wasn't enough. > [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > Purrs and Hugs and Tears, > Mark Is this in your lease? If not, I suggest you talk to your apartment manager. Be diplomatic, but point out that this is a change in policy, discuss how important your cats are to you, and offer to show the manager through your apartment to demonstrate that there has been no damage (which I am assuming is true). Offer to pay a deposit (even a nonrefundable deposit) for the extra cats. Managers do not want to lose good renters, and this should work in your favor. Years ago, management in an apartment I rented changed their policy to a "no pets" policy. However, they grandfathered in anyone who previously had an inside pet. Eventually, I was the only person in the complex who had an indoor pet because I stayed there longer than most people and my cat lived to a ripe old age. Actually, I moved before that time, but I made sure that any apartment I moved to had an agreement that permitted my cat. I realize that you are saying "cats" (not "one" cat), but the principleis still the same. Fortunately, I no longer have to worry about that because I have my own home. MaryL > As if the flood from above wasn't enough. > [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > Purrs and Hugs and Tears, > Mark Hmm, maybe it`s time to start thinking about moving? There must be apartements somewhere to be found where more cats as 2 are allowed. > As if the flood from above wasn't enough. > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > and/or Little Boy? I can't just throw them out. Gads, I HATE the > management here! Oh Mark. I am too far away. I am so sorry. This is -- just horrible. No, you can't just throw your sweet boys out. I hate your management, too. Purring and praying as hard as we can for the best resolution. Well, I am certainly thinking of moving after all the hell we've just gone through. We have been here for 14 years, and seen a fine parade of ferals wander across our porch. I have considered, from time to time, moving closer to Dallas and shortening my commute time. Maybe this is the final straw. At any rate, I am looking - for a small house, I think. Bucky hasn't come by this morning. Little Boy slept in with us and was only slightly interested in going out this morning... I think I cried the entire way to work. I probably look a fright right now. Hugs and Purrs, Mark SignatureProof of Sanity Forged Upon Request Purrs on the way for you to be able to work this out. Ann Signatureread Sam's blog at http://kittens-3.blogspot.com/ > Well, I am certainly thinking of moving after all the hell we've just gone > through. We have been here for 14 years, and seen a fine parade of ferals [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Hugs and Purrs, > Mark > Well, I am certainly thinking of moving after all the hell we've just > gone through. We have been here for 14 years, and seen a fine parade > of ferals wander across our porch. Fourteen years and all of a sudden they come up with this?! Utterly ridiculous. > I have considered, from time to time, moving closer to Dallas and > shortening my commute time. Maybe this is the final straw. At any > rate, I am looking - for a small house, I think. I think renting a small house is a great idea. In general I think landlords who own rental property are pretty tolerant of cats. (It's different if someone wants to bring in 4, 5, 6 dogs.) Of course, depending on the area (traffic-wise) you may need to build an enclosure to satisfy their outdoor cravings. > Bucky hasn't come by this morning. Little Boy slept in with us and was > only slightly interested in going out this morning... I think I cried > the entire way to work. I probably look a fright right now. Purrs continue for a good solution for you and your beloved kitties. Jill >> Well, I am certainly thinking of moving after all the hell we've just >> gone through. We have been here for 14 years, and seen a fine parade [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > (traffic-wise) you may need to build an enclosure to satisfy their outdoor > cravings. Actually, it *can* be difficult to find apartments where cats are permitted, but it can be done. When I was renting, I bypassed a number of apartments I loved specifically because they would not permit cats. MaryL >> Bucky hasn't come by this morning. Little Boy slept in with us and was >> only slightly interested in going out this morning... I think I cried [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Jill >>> Well, I am certainly thinking of moving after all the hell we've >>> just gone through. We have been here for 14 years, and seen a fine [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > MaryL Most apartment management firms where I live, *if* they allow pets (most do), have a strict clause limiting the number of (and weight of ) cats or dogs allowed per apartment. My lease specifies 2 cats or 2 dogs (or a cat and a small dog). I used to work with a woman who was thinking about moving into this complex and got in a huff because they wouldn't allow her to have 5 cats. Jill > Well, I am certainly thinking of moving after all the hell we've just > gone through. We have been here for 14 years, and seen a fine parade [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Hugs and Purrs, > Mark I'm begining to understand why your former neighbours caused so much damage if they were treated anything like youve been, not that that's any excuse of course. SignatureAdrian (Owned by Snoopy & Bagheera) Cats leave pawprints on your heart http://community.webshots.com/user/clowderuk > I'm begining to understand why your former neighbours caused so much > damage if they were treated anything like youve been, not that that's > any excuse of course. I had the same thought!! Of course, it would have been better if they hadn't caused damage in such a way as to create big problems for other *tenants*, who hadn't done anything to them. Joyce > Well, I am certainly thinking of moving after all the hell we've just gone > through. We have been here for 14 years, and seen a fine parade of ferals [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Hugs and Purrs, > Mark Considering all of this . . . Why not disregard the order and make plans to move immediately?! Keep your cats indoors with you. The worst your manager could do is tell you to move, and that is what you would already have in the works. MaryL >> Well, I am certainly thinking of moving after all the hell we've >> just gone through. We have been here for 14 years, and seen a fine [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > MaryL Of course there are contractual provisions for breaking the lease. I don't know about Mark's place but if I terminate my lease early I have to pay the equivalent of 2 month's rent. If he waits for them to evict him that becomes problematic since what new landlord wants to rent to someone who has an eviction on their record? Jill > I have considered, from time to time, moving closer to Dallas and > shortening my commute time. Maybe this is the final straw. At any rate, I [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > only slightly interested in going out this morning... I think I cried the > entire way to work. I probably look a fright right now./// Mark, this is what you do. Bring all your kids *inside* and start looking for a new appartment/ house. That way the cats will at least be safe. If he wants you out, he will have to go through legal channels anyway, and if you are already looking, then although it will be stressful and horrible, the appartment manager won't be able to do much I wouldn't have thought. In the meantime, you'll know all your guys are safe. A pox on the appartment manager, and purrs for you for a successful outcome. Helen M On Tue, 20 Nov 2007 08:30:07 -0800, leopardusweidii wrote: >> [quoted text muted] > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Helen M I second this motion. Keep them in and out of sight. Do you know if the scumbag is trapping ferals? MLB > > I have considered, from time to time, moving closer to Dallas and > > shortening my commute time. Maybe this is the final straw. At any rate, I [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Helen M I like his solution. Evictions usually take approx. 3 months before the law comes to put everything out on the swale/sidewalk. In FL the usual deal is to pay a varying "pet deposit" for each cat/dog if they are allowed at all; here in MileHigh area, not only do they charge the deposit, but something I find very disgusting: "pet rent" - a charge of usually $10 -15 or maybe $20 *in addition* to your normal rent rate *for each cat*!!! (barf). I dunno what goes in Dallas like that....but if you type up "dallas pet-friendly apartments" I got a ton of names which mean nothing to me but Mark might be familiar with. BTW, here I have rented (not now) from a *great* and kind and efficient pet-loving outfit called Round Hill Pacific which has lots of OLD buildings renovated into apts. and they have a pet deposit but don't charge you "pet rent" monthly....unfortunately they are out of San Francisco - own apts in many cities but not to my knowledge in Texas anywhere...mainly up north where they got old creepy buildings like they got here - I'm from south FL and realize what is creepy to me might be "historic" and "stately" to those into old buildings/mansions, LOL. How about seeing what you could find in good/kind/petloving management in your area, Mark? Heartiest best wishes for your success. >> I have considered, from time to time, moving closer to Dallas and >> shortening my commute time. Maybe this is the final straw. At any rate, I [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Helen M This really sounds like the best plan of action. > Well, I am certainly thinking of moving after all the hell we've just gone > through. We have been here for 14 years, and seen a fine parade of ferals [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > -- > Proof of Sanity Forged Upon Request I keep my thumbs pressed for you finding very soon a new home. Now, you could keep Bucky inside, and when someone comes to control (would they do that?) maybe it's possible to put one of the cats in a carrier and hide them in the car/at the neighbours, behind a shed, just for the time of people controlling. This might work until the new (hopefully) house or apartment is found. I, for myself would consider probabilities/chances here. While looking for a house I would try to live as normal as before/ possible. How are chances your landlords walks into your place controlling? Has he to make an appointment before?(in Germany they have to) It's sort of about hiding one cat from him. But not every day. Sigh - wish you the best. And please - reassure Bucky that you never,ever would get rid of him. He needs that. He senses something is wrong regarding him. Dirty litterbox offerings for your landlord. (Hehe - first time I use this veery nice phrase) > Well, I am certainly thinking of moving after all the hell we've just > gone through. We have been here for 14 years, and seen a fine parade of [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Hugs and Purrs, > Mark Oh Mark I hope you do it. I mean, you've been a good tenant for a LONG time which should freakin' count for something but obviously it doesn't. I really hope Bucky comes home soon :( I could just cry for you. > Well, I am certainly thinking of moving after all the hell we've just gone > through. We have been here for 14 years, and seen a fine parade of ferals [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > only slightly interested in going out this morning... I think I cried the > entire way to work. I probably look a fright right now. I'm so sorry about the whole situation, Mark. If you are sure that it's no point trying to negotiqate with the managers, maybe moving is the best alternative. Purrs for the best possible solution to present itself. And purrs for all the upset kitties. SignatureMarina, Miranda and Caliban. In loving memory of Frank and Nikki. > Well, I am certainly thinking of moving after all the hell we've just gone > through. We have been here for 14 years, and seen a fine parade of ferals [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Hugs and Purrs, > Mark How horrible! We are thinking of you all and sending lots and lots of purrs and best wishes that you find a great house really soon, Mark, Polonca and Soncek > As if the flood from above wasn't enough. > [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > Purrs and Hugs and Tears, > Mark Purring for you all to be able to stay together somehow. I'm just flabbergasted at how mean people can be. > Is there asnyone in the Dallas/Fort Worth area who can take in Bucky > and/or Little Boy? I can't just throw them out. Gads, I HATE the > management here! Wish I could suggest something- have the landlord's known you have more than 2 cats before this? And said nothing? If so what has caused the problem to start now? Is there someone you can appeal to as someone else here said landlords tend to be loath to lose good tenants so perhaps you can negotiate Our tenancy says we are not allowed any pets but the clause is in there so the landlord has clout if someone says gets a vicious dog and then let's it run wild or locks a large dog in the flat all day while they are out at work- they've seen the cats and don't have a problem with them We are of course sending purrs galore Lesley Slave of the Fabulous Furballs Hi Mark, what a distressful situation for your whole family. I'm so sorry this is happening. Over the years (I've been on RPCA since 1994, with only the last 18 months out) the group has put together transportation chains so that if someone in another state or far away in Texas could take take in Little Boy and/or Bucky we could transport your kittys to their new homes. One time we paid, collectively, for an animal transport van, to take a special cat from somewhere in Texas to Seattle, Washington. We could do this again to make sure that the two guys are treated well and we will know where they are going. I'm unable to take either of your boys at this time as I have a cat issue problem going on here which I hope that will be resolved soon. If I can help out in any other way please let me know Charleen Aggie Marble, Victor Velcro The Spirit of Mr. Pumpkin St. Cloud, Florida, USA > As if the flood from above wasn't enough. > [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > Purrs and Hugs and Tears, > Mark Mark, first, <<<HUGS>>>> You are in my thoughts, and I'm sending energy that everything works out _better_ than it was for you. A quick search found the following cat rescue organizations: http://www.operationkindness.org/ http://www.kittico.org/ **** Dedicated to helping stray and feral cats http://www.texascares.org/ http://www.jugglingcats.com/rescue/dallas_cat_rescue.htm (this one links to more sites) If a donation would smooth the way to getting the cats into a no- kill shelter, I would gladly contribute. I'm sure there are others in this group who would help as well. And if someone can take them who lives outside the area, I'd also contribute to transportation costs. Moving may be the best thing in the long run. I hope these resources and options can help in the short run. Hugs to you and Senyah. And nasty litterbox offerings to your landlord. Kalynnda, proudly owned by the seven furry freeloaders. > Is there asnyone in the Dallas/Fort Worth area who can take in Bucky > and/or Little Boy? I can't just throw them out. Gads, I HATE the > management here! > > Purrs and Hugs and Tears, > Mark > As if the flood from above wasn't enough. > > Senyah got a phone call today from the office telling her that we were > only allowed two cats and that we had to put the extra outside right > now. <<<<<<<Mark and Senya and fur family>>>>>>> This reaqlly bites. I wish I could help you with more than purrs and good wishes. Maybe it is moving time. I'd sneak them in after hours and hang them all, but then I'm a b*tch. Pam S. >> As if the flood from above wasn't enough. >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Pam S. Who says that being a b*tch is a bad thing? Every family needs at least one. Jo Girls, I am older and have some "learnin fer ya" There is "a b***h and THE B***h" The latter is better and carries a lot more weight. i have a t shoirt from the grand kids with that on it. >>> As if the flood from above wasn't enough. >>> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Jo That just plain sucks, Mark :-( I'm starting to understand the actions of the ex-upstairs neighbours a little bit! Hugs & purrs, SignatureBritta Purring is an automatic safety valve device for dealing with happiness overflow. Check out pictures of Vino at: http://picasaweb.google.com/badwilson > As if the flood from above wasn't enough. > [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > Purrs and Hugs and Tears, > Mark > As if the flood from above wasn't enough. > [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > Purrs and Hugs and Tears, > Mark This just breaks my heart. Just breaks it. Can you offer extra deposit? I mean, they have been no trouble :( This is so so heartbreaking. > As if the flood from above wasn't enough. > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > and/or Little Boy? I can't just throw them out. Gads, I HATE the > management here! That's terrible. I don't suppose it's possible for you to buy on a mortgage rather than rent? and move out to another property? There is not much difference in cost here in UK per month between renting and buying. The big difference is that you can have as many cats as you like. Or dogs, or whatever because the house is yours. I hope this can be resolved for you soon with all your cats with you. Tweed On 23 Nov, 13:50, "Christina Websell" <spamf...@tinawebsell.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote: There is not much > difference in cost here in UK per month between renting and buying. Sometimes there is we, for example, have registered fair rent so it's a LOT cheaper than buying. If I had to buy then it would either have to be one of those part rent part buy schemes or I would have to move so far out that my fares would go through the roof (never mind the time involved!) On the other hand, I do have quite a few friends who are buying because renting worked out more expensive! Getting somewhere to live in and around London is exorbitant- one of my dearest friends from my old job (who is coming to work on the same site as me tomorrow- we'll be able to have lunch and he can catch me up on his owners!) earns good-ish money (better than me anyway) and his wife is a senior ward sister in a specialist unit and she earns more than he does- so between them they could get a mortgage but when they looked at what they could buy in London (1 maybe 2 bed flat in a block- no garden) and what they could get for the same money out of London (3 bed detached house with large front and back gardens) they went for the nearest place to London where they could get the house they wanted on the mortgage they could get.. They commute from Stevenage! Lesley Slave of the Fabulous Furballs |
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