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Christina Websell - 18 Nov 2007 00:22 GMT
He is just getting so greedy.  I feed him and KFC at the same time, he has
more because he is a larger cat.  He can finish his quicker because his
teeth are better than the old girls and then he tries to get hers too.  He
pushes her off it if I am not there to give him a stern warning.
Yesterday, just two hours after he had his evening feed he was miaowing and
moaning that he desperately needed more and this has gone on for a few weeks
now.  He just never seems to be satisfied with the meal he is given just
lately.
So, what to do with him?  He is taking the michael I suspect but if there is
any  medical condition that you know of that causes a cat that is well fed
to seem desperate for more, please let me know.
bobblespin - 18 Nov 2007 01:18 GMT
> He is just getting so greedy.  I feed him and KFC at the same time, he
> has more because he is a larger cat.  He can finish his quicker
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> there is any  medical condition that you know of that causes a cat
> that is well fed to seem desperate for more, please let me know.

If he goes outside, perhaps he is barfing it up somewhere and you don't see
it.  I know if mine eats too much and/or too fast, he throws it up and then
he's hungry again.

Bobble
jmcquown - 18 Nov 2007 02:18 GMT
>> He is just getting so greedy.  I feed him and KFC at the same time,
>> he has more because he is a larger cat.  He can finish his quicker
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
> Bobble

Or he could just be being a cat ;)  I'm starving!  You don't feed me enough!
Help!  I'm starving!

Persia acts like she never gets fed.  She's still 16 lbs. of fat cat even on
only 1/2 a cup of kibble a day.

Jill
Christina Websell - 18 Nov 2007 19:50 GMT
>> He is just getting so greedy.  I feed him and KFC at the same time, he
>> has more because he is a larger cat.  He can finish his quicker
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> then
> he's hungry again.

Yes, he does go outside, so that could be a possibility occasionally, but he
does it (asks for more) even if he's been inside since his last meal.
Thanks for the thought.

Tweed
Marina - 18 Nov 2007 05:17 GMT
> He is just getting so greedy.  I feed him and KFC at the same time, he has
> more because he is a larger cat.  He can finish his quicker because his
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> any  medical condition that you know of that causes a cat that is well fed
> to seem desperate for more, please let me know.

I can sympathize, because Caliban is just the same. As for medical
conditions, if he was very thin is spite of eating well, I would suspect
worms (easy to remedy) or a hyperactive thyroid (requires vet care).
Other than those two possibilities, I can't think of anything.

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Christina Websell - 18 Nov 2007 20:02 GMT
> I can sympathize, because Caliban is just the same. As for medical
> conditions, if he was very thin is spite of eating well, I would suspect
> worms (easy to remedy) or a hyperactive thyroid (requires vet care). Other
> than those two possibilities, I can't think of anything.

So they are alike in more than just appearance then!  No, he isn't thin,
he's beginning to look quite burly, not fat but sort of like a rugby player,
big strong shoulders.

Tweed
Jane - 18 Nov 2007 05:57 GMT
On Nov 17, 7:22 pm, "Christina Websell"
<spamf...@tinawebsell.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote:
> He is just getting so greedy.  I feed him and KFC at the same time, he has
> more because he is a larger cat.  He can finish his quicker because his
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> any  medical condition that you know of that causes a cat that is well fed
> to seem desperate for more, please let me know.

Is it possible that he's just trying to 'bulk up' for the wintertime?
It's a natural part of life that we have totally forgotten about,
since the mass media has destroyed everyone's idea of what a human
body is supposed to look and feel like naturally.

Jane
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jofirey - 18 Nov 2007 07:00 GMT
> On Nov 17, 7:22 pm, "Christina Websell"
> <spamf...@tinawebsell.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
> since the mass media has destroyed everyone's idea of what a human
> body is supposed to look and feel like naturally.

Its always more noticeable on Molly.  She always looks tiny, but by the end
of March she will look a bit like she swallowed a bowling ball.  As soon and
the weather warms up, the weight comes off.  It can be hard on indoor only
cats, because if they are allowed to bulk up, its hard to get the weight
back off.

I can tell what the cats weigh by picking them up.  Kayla goes into the vets
office every few months just to make sure she isn't picking up any extra
weight.

Jo
Christina Websell - 18 Nov 2007 20:20 GMT
> Its always more noticeable on Molly.  She always looks tiny, but by the
> end of March she will look a bit like she swallowed a bowling ball.  As
> soon and the weather warms up, the weight comes off.  It can be hard on
> indoor only cats, because if they are allowed to bulk up, its hard to get
> the weight back off.

I'm afraid of him getting overweight in case he becomes diabetic. Medicating
him would be a nightmare for both of us because he is so timid.

> I can tell what the cats weigh by picking them up.

I don't pick him up because he doesn't like it.  He doesn't struggle or
scratch or bite, he just does this "OMG, OMG, I am going to faint" thing if
I do, so I try to avoid it.  I did weigh him once a couple of years ago.  I
can't remember his exact weight now but it was between 7 & 8lbs. He's a bit
more mature now, my estimate would be around 8 and a half lbs.

Tweed
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 18 Nov 2007 09:28 GMT
> Is it possible that he's just trying to 'bulk up' for the wintertime?
> It's a natural part of life that we have totally forgotten about,
> since the mass media has destroyed everyone's idea of what a human
> body is supposed to look and feel like naturally.

And unfortunately, we often project those distortions onto our pets,
as well.  

Joyce
Christina Websell - 18 Nov 2007 20:08 GMT
> On Nov 17, 7:22 pm, "Christina Websell"
> <spamf...@tinawebsell.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote:

> Is it possible that he's just trying to 'bulk up' for the wintertime?
> It's a natural part of life that we have totally forgotten about,
> since the mass media has destroyed everyone's idea of what a human
> body is supposed to look and feel like naturally.

Yes, that's a possibility that I hadn't considered.  Thanks for the idea,
Jane.

Tweeed
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 18 Nov 2007 10:36 GMT
> Yesterday, just two hours after he had his evening feed he was miaowing and
> moaning that he desperately needed more and this has gone on for a few weeks
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> any  medical condition that you know of that causes a cat that is well fed
> to seem desperate for more, please let me know.

Worms?

What does "taking the michael" mean? I've never heard that expression
before.

Joyce
Mishi - 18 Nov 2007 12:09 GMT
>"taking the michael"

From http://www.peevish.co.uk/slang/t.htm : Vrb phrs. To make fun,
tease, satirize. From 'take the mickey'. E.g."I dont like John, he's
always taking the Michael out of me."

'take the mickey':  Vrb phrs. To tease, to ridicule. Also shortened to
take the mick. An abbreviated form of the Cockney rhyming slang take
the mickey bliss, meaning 'take the piss'. E.g."Stop taking the mickey
out of Billy, he's very sensitive and you're upsetting him." Cf. 'take
the Michael' and 'extract the Michael'. [1930s]

Sorta like the US saying: busting his/her b*lls. <G?
Magic Mood Jeep - 18 Nov 2007 14:42 GMT
> He is just getting so greedy.  I feed him and KFC at the same time, he has
> more because he is a larger cat.  He can finish his quicker because his
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> is any  medical condition that you know of that causes a cat that is well
> fed to seem desperate for more, please let me know.

Ummmmmm

Methinks he is trying to become a butterball, like his sweetest, Mimi????

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Christina Websell - 18 Nov 2007 20:29 GMT
> Methinks he is trying to become a butterball, like his sweetest, Mimi????

LOL!  and there is yet *another* possibility I hadn't thought about!

Boyfie sez he no he as sadly neglecktid his wink wink n sends lotsa gentle
head butts n nose kisses for pretty Mimi.  He sez he doan mind she verry
verry fluffy - alldermor to cuddel up to.

Tweed
Magic Mood Jeep - 18 Nov 2007 21:31 GMT
>> Methinks he is trying to become a butterball, like his sweetest, Mimi????
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Tweed

Mimi say her Sweetie not need to rite - she no he lub her.  An she also say
it nice beein fluffy - not need cushons to make sleepy places soft!  Efurry
plays is soft wen  yoo is fluffy!!!

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leopardusweidii@yahoo.co.uk - 18 Nov 2007 16:58 GMT
On 18 Nov, 00:22, "Christina Websell"
<spamf...@tinawebsell.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote:

> So, what to do with him?  He is taking the michael I suspect but if there is
> any  medical condition that you know of that causes a cat that is well fed
> to seem desperate for more, please let me know.

How old is he? It might be the start of hyperthyroid.

Helen M
Christina Websell - 18 Nov 2007 20:37 GMT
> On 18 Nov, 00:22, "Christina Websell"
> <spamf...@tinawebsell.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> How old is he? It might be the start of hyperthyroid.

He's 5.  I am sure of that.  He was not around in Jan 03 when Nüle first
came here to help after my mother's sudden death.  By late April, when she
returned he was sleeping in my conservatory overnight.
He was an adolescent then, a big kitten just growing into his legs ;-) which
puts his birth date at Summer/Autumn 02.

Tweed
Christina Websell - 18 Nov 2007 22:14 GMT
I think I have spoiled him.  The moment he miaows for anything I am up on my
feet, seeing what he wants.  He has learnt this.
He is well fed.  He is in perfect health.  He does not need to eat 15 oz of
catfood a day, which he wants to do. And more.

It is probably a behavioural problem and I have enabled it by jumping up to
satisfy his every whim every time he opens his mouth.

So today he got ignored when he insisted his breakfast was not enough. (It
was)  He was ignored again when he tried to insist that 3 pm was time for
his supper.  He wailed about it a bit.
I will look into a thyroid problem, but I don't think that is it.
I've spoilt him, that is the top and bottom of it. And he will have a shock
when his meowmie does not rush to see exactly what he wants right now.

Tweed
Matthew - 18 Nov 2007 22:25 GMT
> I think I have spoiled him.  The moment he miaows for anything I am up on
> my feet, seeing what he wants.  He has learnt this.
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
> Tweed

Good cat slave

That is what Phantom is going thru right now
mlbriggs - 18 Nov 2007 23:47 GMT
> I think I have spoiled him.  The moment he miaows for anything I am up on
> my feet, seeing what he wants.  He has learnt this. He is well fed.  He is
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> Tweed

Do you have standard time over there?  TuTu is trying to adjust to the
time change now.   MLB
Marina - 19 Nov 2007 04:56 GMT
> I think I have spoiled him.  The moment he miaows for anything I am up on my
> feet, seeing what he wants.  He has learnt this.
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> I've spoilt him, that is the top and bottom of it. And he will have a shock
> when his meowmie does not rush to see exactly what he wants right now.

Good thinking, but keep in mind it is very hard to out-stubborn a cat.
:) I have never given Caliban his food before 7 on the dot (morning and
evening), but he still tries to tell me it is time much earlier, after
being with me for over two years. When he is fed, he hoovers it up in
the time it takes me to dish out Miranda's food - in fact I have to
beware so he doesn't manage to pilfer some of hers while I am dishing it
up. Then I have to put Mir's portion on top of the fridge until Her
Majesty deigns to come and eat some. Fifteen minutes after he finished
his food, Caliban is wailing at me with a look that clearly says he
hasn't been fed for weeks and I must have made a mistake.

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Christina Websell - 20 Nov 2007 20:46 GMT
>>> I've spoilt him, that is the top and bottom of it. And he will have a
>>> shock
>> when his meowmie does not rush to see exactly what he wants right now.
>
> Good thinking, but keep in mind it is very hard to out-stubborn a cat.

I know.  We go through these phases now and again, my cats and I.  It's when
I suddenly realise "hang on just a minute...am I stupid or what, letting
them tell me what to do?"
The first time was over "we both only eat expensive food"  and I
out-stubborned them over that (although KFC is now on expensive stuff due to
her CRF, she wasn't at that time.)  It was my mistake for getting them a few
treatie foods and somehow nothing else was good enough after that.
I was not too worried if they refused their perfectly good cat food for a
day or two.  I *knew* what they were doing <appropriate scary music>
They were not about to die of hepatic lipidosis (sp) because they were
trying for another tin of pink salmon, and indeed, they didn't.

Second time was over Boyfriend's "let me out, let me in" every few minutes
in the evening.  I did this for a year.  Prior to that I had my back door
open 24/7 because he was so afraid if I closed it.  He would have done this
for ever, this open door policy.  He is safe and he needs to learn that.   I
have closed the door overnight for the last 2 months or so with him inside
the house.  He's getting used to not getting into a panic about it.
I'm quite glad about that.  Having your back door open 24/7 is probably not
that safe (but actually I have done it for years when my dogs got elderly
and could not be expected to hold out for more than a few hours)

Third time is this oh I am so hungry stuff. " I just have to gobble up my
own meal and knock KFC off hers."
The boy is greedy.  No more, no less.
If he carries on doing it, once he has finished his own meal I will have to
put him in the porch while KFC delicately finishes her own meal in an hour
or so.  Which takes some time..which will be difficult in the morning as I
have to go to work just after 8.

> :) I have never given Caliban his food before 7 on the dot (morning and
> evening), but he still tries to tell me it is time much earlier, after
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> wailing at me with a look that clearly says he hasn't been fed for weeks
> and I must have made a mistake.

That is what Boyfie is doing.  He hoovers up his food, pushes KFC off her
meal that she takes a while to eat, scoffs hers and then claims an hour or
two later that he is starving.
What he is fed is more than adequate.
Kitty is very frail now, she needs all the food she can eat.  I push Boyfie
off her food and put him outside, so then he goes off for a few minutes to
check out the chickens and see if he notices rats.
He does, but if they are big ones with massive teef he says he never saw
any.

Kitty would have put him to shame in her younger days.  "Kill anything, me!"
in a Geordie accent  (will be appreciated by Helen)

Tweed
Adrian A - 19 Nov 2007 12:04 GMT
> I think I have spoiled him.  The moment he miaows for anything I am
> up on my feet, seeing what he wants.  He has learnt this.
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> right now.
> Tweed

He's got you very well trained. ;-)
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