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Cat Forum / Cat Anecdotes / November 2007Cats 'killed by flea treatment'
Hundreds of cats may have died because their owners mistakenly treated them with anti-flea products intended for dogs, a study suggests. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7088397.stm  SignatureAdrian (Owned by Snoopy & Bagheera) Cats leave pawprints on your heart http://community.webshots.com/user/clowderuk > Hundreds of cats may have died because their owners mistakenly > treated them with anti-flea products intended for dogs, a study > suggests. > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7088397.stm Indeed. The BBC ran this as a story on their Breakfast news programme today, with a live report from a veterinary clinic in Solihull, West Midlands. The star of the news piece was a beautiful Siamese male cat, Maximus - with huge ears, and a loud purr! My brother thought the cat was more like an Egyptian Mau than a Siamese. SignatureMatSav > Hundreds of cats may have died because their owners mistakenly treated them > with anti-flea products intended for dogs, a study suggests.http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7088397.stm > -- > Adrian (Owned by Snoopy & Bagheera) > Cats leave pawprints on your hearthttp://community.webshots.com/user/clowderuk I don't understand how owners can "accidentally" use dog products on cats. Products usually even have a picture of a DOG on them, for crying out loud, and even "Not for use on cats" if they can be bothered to read the label. That's just carelessness, IMO. Sherry >> Hundreds of cats may have died because their owners mistakenly >> treated them [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Sherry True, but the article did say if the cat came in contact with a dog that had been treated and then groomed itself, thus ingesting the flea powder... hmmm, sounds a little far fetched when you think about it. Chances are the canine version of the flea powder is cheaper. It's amazing how people will save a few pennies at the expense (pardon the pun) of their pets. Jill >> Hundreds of cats may have died because their owners mistakenly treated >> them with anti-flea products intended for dogs, a study [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > for use on cats" if > they can be bothered to read the label. That's just carelessness, IMO. It should be kept in mind that some products labeled for dogs are, in fact, safe for cats in cat size doses because the formulae are essentially identical for the two versions - the only significant difference being the size of the single dose dispenser. Frontline Plus is the most commonly used example - many people with multiple cats buy the largest dog size and meter the doses for their cats with a calibrated syringe or dropper (I do worry about a friend of mine who meters by counting drops - *that* is risky). Since the price of the packages is not proportional to the amount of product, but increases less than a third for an eight-fold increase in product, the cost savings for that very pricy product are more than just significant - they can make the difference between treating the cats or not treating the cats ... or treating them with something that *is* dangerous. SignatureT.E.D. (tdavis@umr.edu) >>> Hundreds of cats may have died because their owners mistakenly treated >>> them with anti-flea products intended for dogs, a study >>> suggests.http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7088397.stm -- >>> Adrian (Owned by Snoopy & Bagheera) >>> Cats leave pawprints on your >>> hearthttp://community.webshots.com/user/clowderuk >> I don't understand how owners can "accidentally" use dog products on cats. >> Products usually >> even have a picture of a DOG on them, for crying out loud, and even "Not >> for use on cats" if >> they can be bothered to read the label. That's just carelessness, IMO. >It should be kept in mind that some products labeled for dogs are, in >fact, safe for cats in cat size doses because the formulae are essentially [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >cats or not treating the cats ... or treating them with something that >*is* dangerous. Everytime someone says a person can use dog stuff on a cat if they use less I cringe!!!! That to me is like telling someone it is safe to use a stick of dyamite for a firecracker if you use less of it!!! If you care for you cat use the stuff that is labeled for your cat and be safe!!! If you are that poor that you have to use dog stuff to save a few pennies then maybe you should not have a pet!!!! >>>> Hundreds of cats may have died because their owners mistakenly treated >>>> them with anti-flea products intended for dogs, a study [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > be safe!!! If you are that poor that you have to use dog stuff to > save a few pennies then maybe you should not have a pet!!!! This time you are wrong. Advantage for dogs is exactly the same stuff as advantage for cats. Same strength and everything. Just in different size "servings". One tube for a large dog will adequately treat my 30 lb dog, both my cats, and all of my daughters cats. This is with our vets knowledge and blessing. They supply the syringes for me to measure it out. It would cost us far more to buy single serving tubes for each of these guys, my daughter likely wouldn't do it at all. Camille, because she is still under a year and at just two pounds gets a special stuff that is formulated for kittens and puppies. Also she is very easy to just check for fleas and crush any you find. Jo >> Everytime someone says a person can use dog stuff on a cat if they use >> less I cringe!!!! That to me is like telling someone it is safe to [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > >Jo But how many people properly measure it and all?!?!?! We had a case at our local Humane Society, where I volunteer, that they used dog stuff on cats and guessed at the amount and 3 cats died from it. Most people just guess at it and do not measure!! I would rather a person use the stuff labeled for cats!! If you have a large tube for dogs and do not need it for the current treatment keep it for the next treatment of the dog and buy stuff labeled for cats!!! >>> Everytime someone says a person can use dog stuff on a cat if they use >>> less I cringe!!!! That to me is like telling someone it is safe to [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > keep it for the next treatment of the dog and buy stuff labeled for > cats!!! Let me point out you are suggesting I spend five times the money or more because I cannot trust myself to be able to read? Again, the stuff labeled for dog is exactly the same stuff that is labeled for cats. (I'm personally talking about Advantage) Same medication at the same strength. You just use more for a large animal and less for a small one. My vet even prints labels to stick on the package indicating the correct dose for cats and for dogs based on weight. Sorry but I am not illiterate. You may stop cringing on my behalf. Jo > > But how many people properly measure it and all?!?!?! I should imagine anyone who has done research on Advantage has talked to their vet and been careful about measuring the dosage - a friend of mine uses Advantage on his cats and under advice by his vets uses a syringe provided by the vet to dose his cats but his vet is happy to sell him it in the dog sizes, which work out cheaper I think the problem is people who just think "Cat has fleas. Go to supermarket. Buy flea treatment. Oh that's expensive! Dog flea treatmernt cheaper. Must be the same fleas= same treatment will work" Lesley Slave of the Fabulous Furballs > >>> Everytime someone says a person can use dog stuff on a cat if they use > >>> less I cringe!!!! That to me is like telling someone it is safe to [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > > Jo Dear Jo, I do the same thing for my cats. With 3 of them, one has a crf, and but he doesn't get the Advantage either, I use the Advantage and measure it exactly. When I purchased it, the girls know I don't have dogs, but I told them I have the syringes to measure, and I was buying it this way to save money. Nobody said a word. My cats have survived, because I, like you, can read, and can read a syringe also...lol. When you have to pay for all kinds of cat medicine, cat visits, and have to control the fleas, you save where you can. I did this all summer, and it helped, my cats were bothered by fleas. I learned about this money saving tip from one of the groups I belong to. Advantage has the very same ingredients in the dog formula and cat formula. I have a few friends I wouldn't trust to measure it out properly, but I go and measure it for them and apply it. They are still with us too. You just have to know what you are doing. I am with you, >> Everytime someone says a person can use dog stuff on a cat if they use >> less I cringe!!!! That to me is like telling someone it is safe to [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> be safe!!! If you are that poor that you have to use dog stuff to >> save a few pennies then maybe you should not have a pet!!!! >This time you are wrong. Advantage for dogs is exactly the same stuff as >advantage for cats. Same strength and everything. Just in different size [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >for >fleas and crush any you find. All you people talk about "With your vets approval" and such!!! Everyone can not afford to go to vets for various reasons as you should know from the people who post here asking for advice about sick or injured animals. They do not have a vet that can tell them how much dog stuff to use on a cat nor a vet to give them syringes (SP) to properly measure dosages!!! Some people just buy the flea treatment over the counter (Advantage is sold OTC) and these are the people I am talking about!!!! They hear that you can use dog stuff on cats so they buy it and guess at the amout to use and hope they are right. There are people that even figure if this works for Advantage it must work for the cheaper off brands olso. My sister worked at PetSmart and on several occassion had people mention that to her. There has been at least 2 times that I remember on Animal Cops that cats were treated with dog treatment. One died and one got really sick. I guess if you people want to use dog stuff on cats that is fine but I would rather use what is intended for them. They mean to much to me to take a chance. And I sure as heck would not tell someone in these groups that I do not know to use dog stuff on their cats!!! You all do not know who is reading it and trying it and hoeing they get the right amount!!! <snip> > All you people talk about "With your vets approval" and such!!! Everyone > can not afford to go to vets for various reasons as you should know from [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > know to use dog stuff on their cats!!! You all do not know who is reading > it and trying it and hoeing they get the right amount!!! Formulae and dosages are easily found on the web - it doesn't take an advanced degree in pharacology to know that the same thing in different packages is still the same thing - the size and species specific pacakges of identical product are for convenience and to avoid lawsuits over incorrect dose issues ... and to make more money. I mentioned before that I don't get my Frontline Plus from my vet, I get it from <www.deadfleaz.com> in Australia. I get my syringes from <www.sciplus.com> when I'm buying something else from them (minimum order issues). If I wanted to, I could get both from a local farm and ranch supply store, but it would cost more. Labeling the small contanier for cats and the larger one for dogs doesn't mean that the contents are species specific, only that the packages are intended for the named species. When we recommend using dog packages, we *always* refer to a specific product. I frequently recommend using dog packages of Frontline Plus metered with a syringe, but I *never* fail to make it clear that that is the only product I recommend. Some people don't read labels and don't pay attention to reasonable recommendations. These people have a problem that extends beyond poisoning their cats. SignatureT.E.D. (tdavis@umr.edu) >> All you people talk about "With your vets approval" and such!!! Everyone >> can not afford to go to vets for various reasons as you should know from [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] >recommendations. These people have a problem that extends beyond >poisoning their cats. Christ!!!! Lets keep this up for another couple months can we. It is so much fun!! I am laughing so hard I am pissing my pants!!!! Can't you morons understand that all I am trying to say is that there are people that will screw up dosages or whatever the package, vet or Jesus Christ himself tells them. Like I said everyone can not afford a vet to tell them how to do it or how much to use or give them syringes to measure dosages!!! There are people that can not afford Advantage so they buy the cheaper off brand which may be different and work different!! Take for example the Hartz stuff of a while back!!! Using the stuff labeled for what you had was killing cat!! I would hate to see if someone tryed dog stuff on cats and got the wrong amount!! ETC ETC ETC!!! For these people they should use stuff labeled for cats!!!! Even if you are specific and tell someone they can use Advantage dog for cats but in smaller dosage they may be someone that thinks since that is true for Advantage it must be true for all flea stuff. OK. Now someone come back and tell me how easy it is for them again and we will see if we can carry this on a couple more days at least. I am adding this thread to my kill file. I am tired of trying to talk to you people!! It is easier explaining ANYTHING to my ex-wife!! On Nov 12, 6:33 pm, kraut <NewsGroupsPle...@NewsGroupsPlease.org> wrote: > >> All you people talk about "With your vets approval" and such!!! Everyone > >> can not afford to go to vets for various reasons as you should know from [quoted text clipped - 71 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Problem is, the people who are too stupid to read a label, or do the math to load the syringe, generally are too stupid to *realize* they're that stupid. Stupid/cheap comes in many different degrees. Another version of stupid/cheap reads about some "natural" treatment on the internet, and those are the ones who fill their cats' ears up with Tee Tree oil and feed them garlic. Or the *really* cheap/stupid ones who douse their cats down with Seven dust, since they had a bag handy in the garden shed. What was it MaryL was saying? Your vet is only seven digits away? Sherry > >>>> Hundreds of cats may have died because their owners mistakenly treated > >>>> them with anti-flea products intended for dogs, a study [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > > Jo- One very important point--just in case anyone who reads this post would consider buying the Advantage dog formula for their cats--there's a separate formula for dogs called "Advantix" which should NEVER be used on cats. Sherry >>>> Hundreds of cats may have died because their owners mistakenly treated >>>> them with anti-flea products intended for dogs, a study [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > safe!!! If you are that poor that you have to use dog stuff to save a few > pennies then maybe you should not have a pet!!!! It's essentially the same stuff, and its use has been approved by my, and many other, vets. And we're not talking pennies here - the difference between locally purchased cat packed Frontline and Australian larg dog Frontline amounts to about eight *dollars* per month per cat, in my case, that's well over a hundred dollars per month. At cat pack prices, I couldn't afford more than about five cats - I couldn't have taken in the other ten that were in need of forever homes ... I hesitate to think what would have happened to some of them. SignatureT.E.D. (tdavis@umr.edu) |
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