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Christina Websell - 04 Nov 2007 14:57 GMT
I visited Tigger yesterday (because it was my brother's birthday!) gave me
the excuse.
He has not been outside since his car accident.
I thought he would look a lot more "smashed up" than he does, since the vet
said he would be disfigured.  His cheek is slightly sunken one side, but you
would not notice if you were not looking for it.  He will never have one of
his eyebrows again, it was completely taken off and he has a scar there
which will be permanent.
He has his jaw wires out in two weeks and at the same time he will get the
snip while he is under anaesthetic.
He's so small and slight, I can't believe he needs to be snipped just yet.
If he were mine I would wait 3 months at least until he is bigger and more
mature.
He looks like a tiny tabby Abyssinian(sp?) with his little pointed face.

Tweed
Adrian A - 04 Nov 2007 15:08 GMT
> I visited Tigger yesterday (because it was my brother's birthday!)
> gave me the excuse.
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> face.
> Tweed

Thanks for the update, it sounds like he had a lucky escape.
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Kreisleriana - 04 Nov 2007 15:12 GMT
>I visited Tigger yesterday (because it was my brother's birthday!) gave me
>the excuse.
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>
> Tweed

We are still sending purrs for the little fellow.
Mark Edwards - 04 Nov 2007 15:51 GMT
Christina's Tigger update reminded me of this - Let me go back about 25
years...

My ex, who severely messed me up emotionally, had one saving grace (okay,
two, but this is polite company - evil grin). She showed me that I am
,beyond any doubt, a cat person. My first cat was her eight year old orange
tabby named Aladdin. It both bothered her and amused her that I became his
person. I hope I see her again one day, to thank her...

Anyway, on to the story.

Marie's father professed not to like cats. Both of his kids had cats -
Tweety and Aladdin, though, so he tolerated the cats. He loved his kids a
lot.

Her father was a master carpenter, and he had a big, beautiful, shiny new
work truck. He really loved that truck.

One morning, he was backing out of the driveway. He saw something in the
road. Tweety had ben hit and badly hurt, and was lying in the road. More
traffic was coming! He backed his new truck across traffic, to barricade
Tweety from further traffic. He darn near got his truck hit three times,
while he scooped Tweety up and put her in the truck, on the clean, new
upholstery.

He took the day off, went immediately to the vet, and dropped $8000.00 on
fixing up the cat "It's my kid's cat, you know."

From that day on, he was Tweety's number one person, and he would pet her
and coo to her, but he NEVER EVER admitted to liking cats, the old
curmudgeon.

Oh, and he never let her go out after that - to protect his investment, he
claimed (big grin).

Hugs and Purrs,
Mark
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Bettina - 04 Nov 2007 18:40 GMT
> Christina's Tigger update reminded me of this - Let me go back about 25
> years...
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> --
> Proof of Sanity Forged Upon Request

Brought tears to my eyes and a wrm feeling to my heart.
Those old fellows do have a heart.<g>
mlbriggs - 04 Nov 2007 19:15 GMT
> Christina's Tigger update reminded me of this - Let me go back about 25
> years...
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> Hugs and Purrs,
> Mark

A great story
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jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 04 Nov 2007 21:51 GMT
> He took the day off, went immediately to the vet, and dropped $8000.00 on
> fixing up the cat "It's my kid's cat, you know."

> From that day on, he was Tweety's number one person, and he would pet her
> and coo to her, but he NEVER EVER admitted to liking cats, the old
> curmudgeon.

> Oh, and he never let her go out after that - to protect his investment, he
> claimed (big grin).

LOL, "I don't like cats... oh, hello Tweety sweetheart <scritch scritch
scritch>, there's a good girl <pet pet>..." :)

He must have been a hero to those kids!

Joyce
jofirey - 05 Nov 2007 00:43 GMT
> Christina's Tigger update reminded me of this - Let me go back about 25
> years...
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> Oh, and he never let her go out after that - to protect his investment, he
> claimed (big grin).

Well you said he was a master carpenter.  Craftsman rules, you fix it -  its
yours.

My dad was the same way.

Jo
Suz - 06 Nov 2007 00:23 GMT
> Christina's Tigger update reminded me of this - Let me go back about 25
> years...
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> --
> Proof of Sanity Forged Upon Request

I'm glad Tigger is improving. Spicey sends more purrs across the
Atlantic. Mark, your Ex's father sounds like a great guy.

Suz&Spicey
polonca12000 - 10 Nov 2007 22:19 GMT
> Christina's Tigger update reminded me of this - Let me go back about 25
> years...
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> Hugs and Purrs,
> Mark

What a wonderful person to save Tweety!
Best wishes,
Polonca and Soncek
Matthew - 04 Nov 2007 16:32 GMT
I still keeping the little one in my prayers and still sending purrs

>I visited Tigger yesterday (because it was my brother's birthday!) gave me
>the excuse.
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>
> Tweed
CatNipped - 04 Nov 2007 18:46 GMT
>I visited Tigger yesterday (because it was my brother's birthday!) gave me
>the excuse.
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> Tweed

Don't worry about the snip.  They did Archer and Ozzy's when they were only
about 7 weeks old.  As long as they are large enough weight wise (I think 2
pounds is the minimum) they actually heal better and faster than if they're
older.

I'm glad to hear that Tigger is doing well - we'll keep sending purrs to the
poor little boy cat.

Hugs,

CatNipped
Christina Websell - 04 Nov 2007 19:31 GMT
and at the same time he will get the
>> snip while he is under anaesthetic.
>> He's so small and slight, I can't believe he needs to be snipped just
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> think 2 pounds is the minimum) they actually heal better and faster than
> if they're older.

7 weeks old?? Castrating a little boycat at that age?  No way do I agree
with that.
I like to see them grow into a decent shape like a male should be before the
snip.  Male kittens castrated too early have small slim faces like females
all their life.  Hence my cousin saying that Boyfie looked like the Cheshire
Cat - she had her male kitten neutered early too.

Tweed
CatNipped - 04 Nov 2007 20:12 GMT
> and at the same time he will get the
>>> snip while he is under anaesthetic.
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>
> Tweed

The problem is, at least for those of us who keep their cats inside, is that
the more testosterone they produce (which causes the, I agree, nice big
heads) the more apt they are to spray to mark their territory or fight with
other cats.  That, combined with the quicker healing, is worth it in my
opinion - and I don't mind the slim faces, I like the "kitten-ish" look.  ;>

Hugs,

CatNipped
Magic Mood Jeep - 04 Nov 2007 21:30 GMT
> and at the same time he will get the
>>> snip while he is under anaesthetic.
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>
> Tweed

I guess it also depends on the cat itself.  When I first "rescued" Ernie,
Mimi, Moe and their adopted out sister Minnie - I thought Ernie was a girl
as well..... but a bigger girl. His boy-bits weren't very prominent, but now
that I look back, he *already* had the bigger head (see
http://inlinethumb08.webshots.com/27591/1147238066047371020S600x600Q85.jpg,
which was taken their second day of "captivity, they were about 4 weeks old)
It wasn't until about a week or so later that his boy-bits 'dropped'....

And now he's a 16 lb luverboy, who was neutered at about 2.5 or 3 months of
age.
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jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 04 Nov 2007 21:41 GMT
> 7 weeks old?? Castrating a little boycat at that age?  No way do I agree
> with that.
> I like to see them grow into a decent shape like a male should be before the
> snip.  Male kittens castrated too early have small slim faces like females
> all their life.  Hence my cousin saying that Boyfie looked like the Cheshire
> Cat - she had her male kitten neutered early too.

KFC's Licky was neutered pretty young (I got him at 3 months old and
it had already been done), and he does indeed have a small, slim face.
But I think it looks quite elegant on him - it makes him look like a
miniature leopard (especially when he slinks around the house like one),
or maybe some fancy cat breed. Not to say I don't like males with their
tomcat face pouches, too! :)

Didn't the Cheshire cat have a wide, intact-tom sort of face, actually?
That's what allowed him the big grin.

Joyce
Jack Campin - bogus address - 05 Nov 2007 00:22 GMT
> 7 weeks old?? Castrating a little boycat at that age?  No way do I agree
> with that.
> I like to see them grow into a decent shape like a male should be before the
> snip.  Male kittens castrated too early have small slim faces like females
> all their life.  Hence my cousin saying that Boyfie looked like the Cheshire
> Cat - she had her male kitten neutered early too.

Early castration also increases the risk of urinary tract blockage in later
life - the plumbing just doesn't grow big enough.  The usual recommendation
seems to be 6 months.

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CatNipped - 05 Nov 2007 22:13 GMT
>> 7 weeks old?? Castrating a little boycat at that age?  No way do I agree
>> with that.
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> recommendation
> seems to be 6 months.

Nope, not true.  Have a look at this article by the Cat Fanciers'
Association on the subject:
http://www.cfa.org/articles/health/early-neuter.html

Hugs,

CatNipped

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Christina Websell - 05 Nov 2007 23:58 GMT
> > 7 weeks old?? Castrating a little boycat at that age?  No way do I agree
> > with that.
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> or maybe some fancy cat breed. Not to say I don't like males with their
> tomcat face pouches, too! :)

It's just my own opinion only that I like to see the boys grow into their
body before they are neutered.  I am fairly sure that my vet practice will
not normally do it until 6 months of age.  Next time I am there I will ask
them if there is a good reason for it.

> Didn't the Cheshire cat have a wide, intact-tom sort of face, actually?
> That's what allowed him the big grin.

Yes.  Boyfie was a strapping young lad when he arrived here intact.  Another
couple of months before he would come in the house and about the same again
before I thought it would not destroy his trust for me to pick him up and
take him for the snip.  Hence my cousin Margi comparing him to the Cheshire
Cat, he has quite a wide face and always has a smile on it.

Tweed
leopardusweidii@yahoo.co.uk - 06 Nov 2007 00:15 GMT
> It's just my own opinion only that I like to see the boys grow into their
> body before they are neutered.  I am fairly sure that my vet practice will
> not normally do it until 6 months of age.  Next time I am there I will ask
> them if there is a good reason for it.

*MOST* UK vets don't like to neuter boycats before about 5-6 months of
age. It gives them a chance to develop, in the same way a lot of UK
vets don't spay girl cats before 5 months. In the USA it is very
common for a pediatric neuter/spay at 2lbs. But then in the USA,
girlcats are routinely spayed using a midline spay and in the UK they
are spayed using a keyhole flank spay....

Personally, I believe that cats should be allowed to develop a little
bit before being speutered, but then I also see the common sense in
spaying them early before adoption. I've lost track of the number of
people handing pregnant kitten-cats into rescue because they
accidentally got pregnant. Pros and cons for both I guess.

Helen M
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 06 Nov 2007 00:34 GMT
> Personally, I believe that cats should be allowed to develop a little
> bit before being speutered, but then I also see the common sense in
> spaying them early before adoption. I've lost track of the number of
> people handing pregnant kitten-cats into rescue because they
> accidentally got pregnant. Pros and cons for both I guess.

Yeah, I think that's the main issue. Little kittens are easily adopted,
so shelters don't want to wait until they're 6 months old and can be spayed
or neutered, before offering them for adoption. The rescue groups are
full of adult cats who had "missed the kitten window" when they were the
popular age, and are now having a really hard time finding a home.

But, as Helen says, if they adopt out a 2-month-old intact kitten, there's
some percentage of people who won't get around to bringing them back for
neutering. Even if the shelter offers it for free! When I adopted Roxy,
she was intact* because she had a bad URI, so they couldn't operate. But
they didn't want to take a chance that she would miss the all-important
window, so they still offered her for adoption. They told me that I could
bring her back to have her spayed, for free, when she was over the cold.

Actually, I ended up having her spayed at a vet's much closer to home -
the shelter where I adopted her was about 45 miles away, and Roxy hated
car trips. It was bad enough driving her the 3 miles to the vet!

Joyce

*Does one say "intact" when talking about an unspayed female? Or is
there a different term for girls?
Marina - 06 Nov 2007 05:11 GMT
>  > It's just my own opinion only that I like to see the boys grow into
> their
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> people handing pregnant kitten-cats into rescue because they
> accidentally got pregnant. Pros and cons for both I guess.

Most Finnish vets don't seem to want to do it before the cats are 12
months old, which is a bit old IMO. The feline-only vet that I use now
will do it at 6 months or 1 kg, whichever comes first.

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jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 04 Nov 2007 21:37 GMT
> I visited Tigger yesterday (because it was my brother's birthday!) gave me
> the excuse.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> his eyebrows again, it was completely taken off and he has a scar there
> which will be permanent.

Poor guy! He really got hurt. I'm glad it wasn't worse, and I'm glad
he's getting better. And I certainly hope they won't let him out again
once the wire is out and he's recovered from his injuries - not until
he's old enough and smart enough to stay out of the way of cars.

Purrs,
Joyce
Christina Websell - 06 Nov 2007 00:23 GMT
> > I thought he would look a lot more "smashed up" than he does, since the
> > vet
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> Poor guy! He really got hurt. I'm glad it wasn't worse, and I'm glad
> he's getting better.

If it was not such a low traffic area with a speed limit of 20 mph he would
have been killed a few weeks before with his silly dancing around cars.  He
owes his life to the speed limit.

>And I certainly hope they won't let him out again
> once the wire is out and he's recovered from his injuries - not until
> he's old enough and smart enough to stay out of the way of cars.

Well, they had my advice in the first place, chose to ignore it and Tigger
got hurt and it hit them in the pocket too.  I have advised them once again
to either keep him in until he is more sensible or only let him out under
strict supervision.  I can't really do any more.  He's their cat, not mine.
I suspect Tigger himself will have learnt that is not fun to play with cars
too. He shows no sign at the moment of wanting to go out.

Tweed
jofirey - 05 Nov 2007 00:41 GMT
>I visited Tigger yesterday (because it was my brother's birthday!) gave me
>the excuse.
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> Tweed

If he is going to need anesthesia to get the wires out, it is likely better
to get the snip at the same time.  The anesthetic is the risk, much more so
than the snip.

Jo
Christina Websell - 06 Nov 2007 00:02 GMT
> If he is going to need anesthesia to get the wires out, it is likely
> better to get the snip at the same time.  The anesthetic is the risk, much
> more so than the snip.

Yes, he will need anaesthesia to have his wires out and that's why the vet
will neuter him at the same time.  Two birds with one stone, so to speak.

Tweed
polonca12000 - 10 Nov 2007 22:15 GMT
> I visited Tigger yesterday (because it was my brother's birthday!) gave me
> the excuse.
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> Tweed

We continue to send lots of purrs and best wishes for Tigger,
Polonca and Soncek
 
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