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A Judge Show (somewhat disturbing and long)
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jmcquown - 23 Oct 2007 17:28 GMT Occasionally I watch those silly judge shows because they can be entertaining. I caught one this morning (Judge Maria Lopez) that was disturbing on two levels.
The plaintiff was a woman who left her dog and a cockatiel with the owners of a grooming business/retail pet shop (the defendants) until she could find an apartment. Apparently she was reduced to living on disability checks after an injury and couldn't afford her current place. I know that can be a pitifully poor amount of money, so it makes sense. Maybe she was being evicted; maybe her lease had expired and she couldn't afford a rent increase. I don't know.
Ostensibly the defendants agreed to keep her pets for a week until she could find another apartment. But the week stretched into *4-5 weeks*. She wasn't paying them to provide room & board for her pets. The arrangement was she would come in and clean the shop. The defendants said it was to be every day, sweeping up, simple stuff like that. The plaintiff said it was supposed to be 3 times a week. The defendants said she showed up 4 times total during the entire month. The plaintiff said she couldn't remember how many times it was.
The defendants said they kept calling her, saying they couldn't keep her pets, she needed to come get them. She claimed they never called her. A shop employee testified she, too, had left messages saying they've been good enough to keep your pets free of charge but this can't continue.
They claimed when they did speak to her she kept saying she was "this close" to moving into a new apartment. Apparently she said this a number of times. It started sounding like excuses and delaying tactics. (There was no mention of where she was actually living while all this was going on.) After a month, the shop owners finally said enough was enough. Pick them up in 3 days or we will find homes for them. She didn't, and they did.
The plaintiff was suing them for an ungodly amount of money, over $4000. She got hysterical because they gave away "her babies". She claimed she didn't abandon them. Maybe that wasn't her intention. But she sure was taking advantage of their good nature, wasn't she? And if they were so important to her, why didn't she uphold her end of the bargain? Why only come in 3-4 times in a month? She wasn't even coming in to visit "her babies".
The judge was sympathetic to her plight but agreed with the defendants. It wasn't their place to take care of her pets until she found it convenient to come get them.
But here's the other thing that disturbed me. The judge, while expressing sympathy to the plaintiff (while ruling against her) said, "Get another pet." GRRRRR! I hate when people say things like this! When my sweet dog Sampson died in 1999 I called my apartment manager about removing the monthly pet rent. She replied, "So get another dog." *Only* people who are not pet lovers could say such a thing. There may be some people who rush right out and get another pet. I don't know anyone who has ever done that. Replacing pets isn't like replacing a worn out chair. They are living, loving creatures.
Obviously she lost her case, despite all her tears and histrionics. She had no legal basis for suing them when they'd cared for, fed and housed the dog and the bird for a month. But the judge shouldn't have said, "Get another pet."
NOTE: There are apartment and house leasing firms across the U.S. (probably all over the world!) that will show you listings of apartments, free of charge. I've used a firm like that twice myself. It doesn't take 4-5 weeks to find another place. Sure, it may not be exactly the place you want. But if you *have* to go somewhere, look at what they have listed. You generally don't have to sign an extended lease. I can't speak to other countries but my apartment complex offers either a month to month tenancy (bad idea, IMHO). If you don't do that, they also offer a 3, 6 or 12 month lease. Move in with a short lease. Then continue looking for another place when you can take your time about it. And have your pets with you. Know what I mean?
Jill
Matthew - 23 Oct 2007 17:45 GMT That judge can be a flak at times. I stopped watching her and Judge Judy due to their weirdness. I just checked the TV guide it is coming on now. I am going to watch it for the heck of it.
The plaintiff could have been counter sued for the cost of the feeding the animals.
People scare me sometimes. If they were here babies she would have been there more and would have been doing what ever she could to keep those" babies" taken care off.
> Occasionally I watch those silly judge shows because they can be > entertaining. I caught one this morning (Judge Maria Lopez) that was [quoted text clipped - 91 lines] > > Jill jmcquown - 23 Oct 2007 18:04 GMT > That judge can be a flak at times. I stopped watching her and Judge > Judy due to their weirdness. I just checked the TV guide it is > coming on now. I am going to watch it for the heck of it. > > The plaintiff could have been counter sued for the cost of the > feeding the animals. But they didn't, which says something about their character and their intentions (IMHO). They were trying to give her a break. But we all know pets aren't cheap. Even assuming neither one needed vet care, which wasn't brought up in testimony, they do have to eat. And dogs have to be walked or at least have a run where they can move around rather than being stuck in a small cage. Birds are quite different and need things non-bird owners can't even imagine. I can tell you it's not just a cup full of seed.
> People scare me sometimes. If they were here babies she would have > been there more and would have been doing what ever she could to keep > those" babies" taken care off. No joke! Or finding them a temporary home with a friend or at least someone who understood her circumstances. Their job isn't to take care of this woman's pets while she wiles away the time trying to find an apartment. And again, it's not that hard to find one. And she should have held up her end of the bargain, come in and swept up the shop and visited her "babies". I can't imagine that would have taken more than a couple of hours a day. We're not talking PetCo here.
Not to mention keeping them accurately apprised of her situation. Sounded like a lot of prevaricating on her part to me. But maybe that's just me. Report back, please? I'd be curious to get your impressions.
Jill
>> Occasionally I watch those silly judge shows because they can be >> entertaining. I caught one this morning (Judge Maria Lopez) that was [quoted text clipped - 91 lines] >> >> Jill Matthew - 23 Oct 2007 18:38 GMT >> That judge can be a flak at times. I stopped watching her and Judge >> Judy due to their weirdness. I just checked the TV guide it is [quoted text clipped - 131 lines] >>> >>> Jill I thought the woman was faking the tears. I got the feeling she wanted a free ride and something put in her pocket.
As I said before the judge I don't like sometimes she needs a slap of reality
Will in New Haven - 23 Oct 2007 18:19 GMT > Occasionally I watch those silly judge shows because they can be > entertaining. I caught one this morning (Judge Maria Lopez) that was [quoted text clipped - 69 lines] > > Jill If said coldly, "get another pet" is callous and unkind. However, it is awfully good advice most of the time. It is just hard to do right away.
Will in New Haven
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Granby - 23 Oct 2007 19:46 GMT You hear of people leaveing kids for "a few days" and it going on for months. Then, when they do return they whine because DCFS or someone is taking them to court. If children are disposable, why are we surprised when people look at pets that way.
People who have the loss of a cat seldom go looking. Somehow, a new one finds their own way to a persons door!!
> Occasionally I watch those silly judge shows because they can be > entertaining. I caught one this morning (Judge Maria Lopez) that was [quoted text clipped - 91 lines] > > Jill Matthew - 23 Oct 2007 20:01 GMT Some people and kids should be disposable. I still say there needs to be a license to have children. Just look at Britney Spears < GROAN> ( Ducking for cover)
For me I know I have always been in the right place at the right time to have a new master come along. I still say that they are more than they seem.
> You hear of people leaveing kids for "a few days" and it going on for > months. Then, when they do return they whine because DCFS or someone is [quoted text clipped - 102 lines] >> >> Jill Granby - 23 Oct 2007 20:12 GMT No Matthew a liscense implies there is a fee, and, where there is a fee anyone can get around that. Spears and people like her only get that way because stupid people support them by buying CD's going to movies etc. Don't know what the answer is there!!!
> Some people and kids should be disposable. I still say there needs to > be a license to have children. Just look at Britney Spears [quoted text clipped - 116 lines] >>> >>> Jill jmcquown - 24 Oct 2007 00:04 GMT > Some people and kids should be disposable. I still say there needs > to be a license to have children. Just look at Britney Spears > < GROAN> ( Ducking for cover) Apparently a lack of talent and tons of talent for catching the eye of the press is all that is required to have kids these days.
> For me I know I have always been in the right place at the right time > to have a new master come along. I still say that they are more than > they seem. Persia showed up on January 6, 2001. It was just a year and a few months after my dog Sampson had died. Most people here know, I didn't want a cat. I'd never been around cats. She wouldn't go away, though. She knew best :) And now there's absolutely *no way* I'd ever consider just leaving her with some people in a shop, no matter what my circumstances. And if I did, I'd certainly uphold my end of the bargain to ensure they took care of her. If I needed it to be a month, I'd tell them. (Still don't understand that part of things.)
Jill
>> You hear of people leaveing kids for "a few days" and it going on for >> months. Then, when they do return they whine because DCFS or [quoted text clipped - 102 lines] >>> >>> Jill Nomen Nescio - 24 Oct 2007 05:20 GMT -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
From: "jmcquown" <jmcquown@bellsouth.net>
>Apparently a lack of talent and tons of talent for catching the eye of the >press is all that is required to have kids these days. It might be time for you to ask someone about the birds and the bees.
Steve Touchstone - 24 Oct 2007 10:27 GMT >Persia showed up on January 6, 2001. It was just a year and a few months >after my dog Sampson had died. Most people here know, I didn't want a cat. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >I needed it to be a month, I'd tell them. (Still don't understand that part >of things.) Don't know about the rest of you, the part I don't get is not at least stopping in for a visit. For me, even the 2 or 3 times a WEEK that she supposedly agreed to wouldn't seem enough for me, much less a MONTH. The only times I've had one boarded was with Rocky (RB). Twice he had to spent 3 days at TEDs, and I was stopping by 2 or 3 days a day. The first time was before I had realized he was MY cat. I was having him neutered before taking him to become a barn cat. Because of scheduling problems he didn't get the snip when he was supposed to and had to stay longer than planned. The second day the staff was joking that whether I realized it or not, he WAS my cat. When I was finally able to bring him I knew they were right.
Sherry - 24 Oct 2007 12:56 GMT > On Tue, 23 Oct 2007 18:04:31 -0500, "jmcquown" > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > whether I realized it or not, he WAS my cat. When I was finally able > to bring him I knew they were right. (Hi Steve--nice to "see" you) You don't get Britney Spears because you're normal, and yours is a normal response for anyone who loves someone/something else. Something is seriously wrong with that woman. She needs help. It must be heartbreaking for those who love *her* to watch her self-destruct like that.
Sherry
jmcquown - 24 Oct 2007 15:20 GMT >> Persia showed up on January 6, 2001. It was just a year and a few >> months after my dog Sampson had died. Most people here know, I [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > stopping in for a visit. For me, even the 2 or 3 times a WEEK that she > supposedly agreed to wouldn't seem enough for me, much less a MONTH. I believe the 2-3 times a week was her understanding of cleaning their shop in exchange for them boarding her pets. Apparently she didn't even bother doing that. Then she had the nerve to be upset, after all that time, when they simply couldn't care for them anymore. They were doing her a huge favour without charging her for it. She wasn't doing a damn thing in return.
When I board Persia and Peaches at the vet for my trips out of town, I call their office at least every other day just to see how they are. They certainly know how to reach me in case of an emergency. In fact, they did when they determined she needed surgery in 2004 while I was in Minneapolis.
This woman claimed they never called her. Even if that were true, and I don't believe it is, she should have *at the very least* been calling them. She was absolutely without credibility in this case.
> The only times I've had one boarded was with Rocky (RB). Twice he had > to spent 3 days at TEDs, and I was stopping by 2 or 3 days a day. The [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > whether I realized it or not, he WAS my cat. When I was finally able > to bring him I knew they were right. Funny how that happens, eh? :)
Jill
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