Does anyone remember the "Twisty Cat" breeder, and the surrounding
controversey of a
few years back? Does anyone remember which state that was in?
I"m asking because the shelter has a cat that looks exactly like them.
Cute little
thing, she looks a little like a kangaroo -- seems to be a birth
defect and she seems
to have adapted very well to it. It really bugs me, the similarity to
the Twisty Cats though.
Sherry
Sherry - 21 Oct 2007 07:16 GMT
> Does anyone remember the "Twisty Cat" breeder, and the surrounding
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> Sherry
Oh dear. I just googled my own question (shoulda done that first)...it
looks
like the state was Texas, which borders us. Now I'm really wondering
if this is a cat or descendant from the Twisty Cat breeder.
Sherry
MaryL - 21 Oct 2007 14:58 GMT
>> Does anyone remember the "Twisty Cat" breeder, and the surrounding
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> Sherry
Sherry, I just posted several links to your question in h+b. Vickie Spier
was from Marshall, Texas. Still, your cat may or may not be a descandant --
but I am guessing that there is no relationship. There have been numerous
similar mutations or developmental problems that have been reported over a
period of many years. The furor in this case was caused because she then
proceeded to deliberately breed for the deformity -- which she said was
"cute" and claimed that she was not "breeding" but was simply "reproducing a
favorite pet."
I had a friend who adopted a cat some years ago that had a similar
deformity. This cat also came from a breeder and would "hop" much like a
rabbit. The breeder was going to destroy the cat because of the deformity.
My friend -- who did not have any other purebred cats but who always adopted
special needs cats -- talked the breeder into letting them have the cat,
with the proviso that it would be spayed (as they always did anyway).
That's the good part of the story. The outrageous part is that the breeder
made them *pay* for the cat -- but gave them a "special price" by only
requiring half the normal fee. And this was for a cat that would otherwise
have been euthanized (by the breeder) and that required special care for the
rest of his life.
MaryL
Sherry - 21 Oct 2007 15:29 GMT
On Oct 21, 8:58 am, "MaryL" <stanco...@yahoo.comTAKE-OUT-THE-LITTER>
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> >> Does anyone remember the "Twisty Cat" breeder, and the surrounding
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Thanks for the info., Mary. I did not realize it was a common genetic
anomoly. I
doubt now, too, that there is any relation to the Twisty Kat breeder.
This is good info. because I'm printing it out for the shelter
manager. She's very
savvy and has already said that they're keeping the kitten as an
office cat
"unless someone really special wants her."... They felt that she could
not
stay in the cat room because of her inability to defend herself, and
didn't want
her caged *all* the time. But I don't think she is aware of the other
genetic
health problems that sometimes go along with RH.
Sherry
MaryL - 21 Oct 2007 17:17 GMT
> On Oct 21, 8:58 am, "MaryL" <stanco...@yahoo.comTAKE-OUT-THE-LITTER>
> wrote:
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> Thanks for the info., Mary. I did not realize it was a common genetic
> anomoly. I
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> Sherry
I'm glad it helped. I just re-read my message, though, and I see that I
have created a new term for the ever-evolving Webster's dictionary -- that
is, "descandant" instead of descendant. Somehow, that gives a more
scientific ring to it. ;>)
MaryL
Sherry - 21 Oct 2007 18:36 GMT
On Oct 21, 11:17 am, "MaryL" <stanco...@yahoo.comTAKE-OUT-THE-LITTER>
wrote:
> > On Oct 21, 8:58 am, "MaryL" <stanco...@yahoo.comTAKE-OUT-THE-LITTER>
> > wrote:
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> MaryL-
LOL! Yeah, I did a double-take on that one. I thought more that it
suggested
solidarity among the afflicted cats -- i.e. "descamisado". (I was an
Evita fan)
Sherry
GaDragonfly - 21 Oct 2007 07:25 GMT
> Does anyone remember the "Twisty Cat" breeder, and the surrounding
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> Sherry
Vickie Speir in Texas raised Twisty Cats. Hard to find much
information any more about twisty cats.Obviously she's gone
underground and everything else is just heresay. Purrs and gentle
headbutts for the little 'rookitten
Julie
Granby - 21 Oct 2007 13:23 GMT
I had never seen this before and, hope not to again. ADAPTING to something
that nature did to you is one thing, deliberately breeding for this is quite
another.
> Does anyone remember the "Twisty Cat" breeder, and the surrounding
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> Sherry
MaryL - 21 Oct 2007 15:09 GMT
> Does anyone remember the "Twisty Cat" breeder, and the surrounding
> controversey of a
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> Sherry
Okay, you piqued my interest. Here is still another article (in addition to
the links I posted in h+b):
http://www.petpeoplesplace.com/resources/articles/cats/036-01.htm. This
article notes that the deformity is known as Radial Hypoplasia (RH) and is
sometimes seen even in feral cat colonies. The article deals with caring
for these cats and notes that RH cats are unlikely to survive outdoors
unless someone is feeding the colony.
MaryL
Lesley - 21 Oct 2007 15:42 GMT
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> defect and she seems
> to have adapted very well to it.
The cat has radial hypoplasia, which also occurs in Humans as does
ulnar hypoplasia (Dave has that). Since the cat has never known any
differently he/she will be well adapted to it and reports of cats born
with this condition doing very well see http://www.messybeast.com/squitten.htm
for some radial hypoplasia cats
The deformity can appear as a spontaneous mutation (As it does in
Humans- Dave's family have no history of limb defects) so possibly
this cat is unrelated to the "Twisty cats" but the problem there was
some mad woman thought it would be "Cute" to deliberately breed cats
with the condition. Apart from should one of them escape they would be
unable to survive in the wild no-one can be quite sure whether the
breeder might be reinforcing something far more unpleasant than short
front legs for example, in Human's there's a syndrome called Fanconi's
anaemia where radial hypoplasia is linked with a number of other
health problems including leukemia, aplastic anaemia and bone marrow
failure
Hope your Kangaroo cat finds a good home
Lesley
Slave of the Fabulous Furballs
Stormmee - 21 Oct 2007 17:36 GMT
its perfectly realistic that she could be a naturally occurring version of
this as it is the extreme version of polidactile if my memory is working
correctly, Lee
> Does anyone remember the "Twisty Cat" breeder, and the surrounding
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> Sherry
Lesley - 21 Oct 2007 19:03 GMT
> its perfectly realistic that she could be a naturally occurring version of
> this as it is the extreme version of polidactile
Polydactyl cats I think you mean
Radial hypoplasia is at the opposite end of the spectrum to
polydactyl, a polydactyl cat has extra toes, a cat with radial
hypoplasia would have less toes than normal and those often deformed.
Basically when a kitten (or a Human it's the same principal) is an
embryo the radius is made first and then the radial side of the ankle/
foot/paw follows it's a sequence in which if the bone doesn't form
then the rest doesn't follow
In Humans the radial side is little, ring and middle fingers with the
index finger being between both radius and ulnar so that some radial
hypoplasia hands are just missing a thumb and some have also lost the
index finger
Lesley
Slave of the Fabulous Furballs
Stormmee - 21 Oct 2007 19:44 GMT
my spell checker didn't get it, and after your typing this I am sure that I
read that the gene mutates to this after several inbreeding, wish I could
remember where I read it, on one of the veterinary hospital sites I think,
Lee
> > its perfectly realistic that she could be a naturally occurring version of
> > this as it is the extreme version of polidactile
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> Slave of the Fabulous Furballs
MaryL - 21 Oct 2007 20:14 GMT
> my spell checker didn't get it, and after your typing this I am sure that
> I
> read that the gene mutates to this after several inbreeding, wish I could
> remember where I read it, on one of the veterinary hospital sites I think,
> Lee
This article discusses a possible link between RH and polydactyl
traits/abnormalities. http://www.messybeast.com/twisty.htm
MaryL
Stormmee - 21 Oct 2007 21:33 GMT
thanks, Lee
> > my spell checker didn't get it, and after your typing this I am sure that
> > I
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> MaryL