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New species of leopard discovered

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Marina - 17 Oct 2007 11:11 GMT
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/03/070315-leopard-picture.html

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Marina, Miranda and Caliban. In loving memory of Frank and Nikki.

PatM - 17 Oct 2007 17:56 GMT
> http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/03/070315-leopard-pictur...

Stunningly beautiful.
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 17 Oct 2007 20:35 GMT
> http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/03/070315-leopard-picture.html

This looks familiar - I'm sure I've seen this picture before. What
a gorgeous animal. Although I notice that it has its tongue out in
the very same silly way that Licky sometimes does. :)

I don't understand this sentence, though, where this leopard is being
compared to the snow leopard:

"The differences aren't all in the genes, either - the two species
 have different fur patterns and skin coloration."

Eh? Fur patterns and skin coloration *don't* get determined by genes?
(I'm being facetious here - I just think this sentence doesn't make
much sense.)

I never realized Borneo was so large, geographically. The Heart of
Borneo rain forest was said in the article to be about the same size
as the state of Kansas.

Joyce
John F. Eldredge - 18 Oct 2007 04:06 GMT
On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 19:35:31 +0000, jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt wrote:

>  > http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/03/070315-leopard-picture.html
>
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> (I'm being facetious here - I just think this sentence doesn't make
> much sense.)

The genes make a tendency towards a particular pattern, but the exact
details of the pattern are determined by the interactions of the hair
follicles as they develop.  If an animal is injured, and the skin then
regrows, there will be minor differences from the pattern it had before.
Genetically-identical animals (clones, or identical twins, which are
naturally-occurring clones) will have similar, but not identical,
markings.  In the same way, human twins don't have identical fingerprints.

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jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 18 Oct 2007 06:33 GMT
> >  "The differences aren't all in the genes, either - the two species
> >   have different fur patterns and skin coloration."
> >
> > Eh? Fur patterns and skin coloration *don't* get determined by genes?
> > (I'm being facetious here - I just think this sentence doesn't make
> > much sense.)

> The genes make a tendency towards a particular pattern, but the exact
> details of the pattern are determined by the interactions of the hair
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> naturally-occurring clones) will have similar, but not identical,
> markings.  In the same way, human twins don't have identical fingerprints.

I see what you're saying. But then, you're talking about the
differences between two individuals within the same species (or
two individuals who have identical DNA), not two different species.
They're saying the two species have different fur patterns, which
I would expect anyway, since their genes will be different.

Joyce
Jack Campin - bogus address - 18 Oct 2007 10:21 GMT
> I don't understand this sentence, though, where this leopard is being
> compared to the snow leopard:
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> (I'm being facetious here - I just think this sentence doesn't make
> much sense.)

The're saying explicitly that the species difference is visible -
there are genetically distinct species that look the same, and given
how similar some of the various big-spotty-cat species look, it's
quite conceivable that two cat species might only be distinguishable
by another cat.

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