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Cat Forum / Cat Anecdotes / October 2007Let Mutts and Moms know what you think about taking the Ellen Degeneres dog....
Whether you are yay or nay on the subject, let them know: Mutts and Moms Paw Boutique 523 S Raymond Avenue Pasadena, CA 91105 626.394.0946 Email: pawboutique@yahoo.com www.muttsandmoms.org > Whether you are yay or nay on the subject, let them know: > > Mutts and Moms Paw Boutique 523 S Raymond Avenue Pasadena, CA What the hell is this person talking about and why should I care? Jill > Whether you are yay or nay on the subject, let them know: > > Mutts and Moms Paw Boutique 523 S Raymond Avenue Pasadena, CA 91105 > 626.394.0946 Email: pawboutique@yahoo.com www.muttsandmoms.org http://www.theindychannel.com/entertainment/14354207/detail.html Current flap w/ Ellen DeGeneres. She adopted a dog from them. Says she spent $3,000 on spay/neuter & training to integrate the dog w/ her cats. Dog was too hyper, so she gave the dog to her hairdresser. Hairdresser's kids totally bonded w/ dog - dog was happy. Then rescue agency found out. What Ellen did was against their policy. Ellen admits she did not read all through the paperwork that she signed when she adopted the dog. Rescue people took the dog away from the hairdresser & her family. Ellen is admitting what she did was wrong - but since the dog was happy, and so was the hairdresser & her family, rescue agency could be lenient and let the dog stay with them...  Signaturehttp://www.firstgiving.com/nalee1131964 About my charity: Monroe County Humane Association Established in 1956, the MCHA is the longest standing animal welfare organization in Monroe County. The MCHA is dedicated to "Leading, Advocating and Educating for Animal Welfare." Find out more at www.monroehumane.org. > > Whether you are yay or nay on the subject, let them know: > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > and Educating for Animal Welfare." > Find out more atwww.monroehumane.org. It was pretty sad. You already know this I'm sure, MMJ, but IMO when you're dealing with animals, and the myriad of special cirumstances involved in their welfare, you just can't be ironclad with your "rules." You make exceptions for the greater good of the animal. That's what the rescue lady should have done. All the heartbreak for the little girls, and the bad publicity for her shelter could have been avoided if she'd just went with the flow and said, "OK, let's do an application for this new owner, check her references, and just change ownership of the dog." It's not like she found the dog chained up in the backyard or anything. Sherry >> Whether you are yay or nay on the subject, let them know: >> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > happy, and so was the hairdresser & her family, rescue agency could > be lenient and let the dog stay with them... Okay, now it makes sense. I didn't understand the OP since I don't follow "celebrity" news. Where's the harm if she gave the dog to a loving family? A good home, loving environment, kids who loved and bonded with the pup. And they just took it away because of some stupid contract language? And now the dog is sitting in a kennel, rather than in a loving home? That's deplorable! It's not like Ellen is some schmoe off the street. And I'm pretty sure her hairdresser isn't one of those folks who works for minimum wage + tips at Super Cuts ;) Ellen apparently had a legitimate reason for re-homing the dog. So what's the big deal? Guess I'll email them with my 2 cents worth. Jill > >> Whether you are yay or nay on the subject, let them know: > [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > Jill- Hide quoted text - My thoughts too. IIRC, Ellen is pretty well known for her love of animals and support of animal issues, too. IMO she was treated like some schmuck who gave the dog away with no thought of its welfare. I just don't believe that is true. The rescue lady is right that Ellen went against the contract she signed. But for crying out loud. She's just being a control freak whose main concern is not the welfare of the dog, it's "her rules.". .... She is probably just suceeded in getting horrible publicity for her shelter, and that's going to hurt her animals most of all. Sherry > My thoughts too. IIRC, Ellen is pretty well known for her love of > animals [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > hurt her > animals most of all. But she gets her OWN name in the news! (Some people have more ego than sense.) >> My thoughts too. IIRC, Ellen is pretty well known for her love of >> animals [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > But she gets her OWN name in the news! (Some people have > more ego than sense.) We are talking about a Beverly Hills establishment, aren't we? I tried going to the web site from the original post and it told me it is "unavailable". I suspect the people at Mutts and Moms are dealing with quite a backlash of negative publicity. It's one thing to take on a person who has no contacts and who probably go quietly into "that good night" and just let people walk all over them in the name of the contract. It's quite another to take on a well known public figure who is an animal lover, comedianne and talk show host who can give you a literal scolding on the air! It wasn't hearsay or gossip in Ellen Degeneres' case, it was her personal experience. She whipped them but good on the air. And well she should. She didn't do a thing wrong. Contract be damned; the pup didn't fit in with her cats. So she found the pup a good, loving home. So what??? Why is it the shelters' business? Jill > http://www.theindychannel.com/entertainment/14354207/detail.html > Current flap w/ Ellen DeGeneres. She adopted a dog from them. Says she > spent $3,000 on spay/neuter & training to integrate the dog w/ her cats. > Dog was too hyper, so she gave the dog to her hairdresser. Hairdresser's > kids totally bonded w/ dog - dog was happy. > Then rescue agency found out. What Ellen did was against their policy. > Ellen admits she did not read all through the paperwork that she signed when > she adopted the dog. Rescue people took the dog away from the hairdresser & > her family. > Ellen is admitting what she did was wrong - but since the dog was happy, and > so was the hairdresser & her family, rescue agency could be lenient and let > the dog stay with them... I totally missed this story, so had to do a bit of catching up. That's insane! I don't understand what is wrong with finding a better situation for an animal, when the one you originally offered turned out not to be so good - for the animal, for the pets you already have, or for you. I do have to say I'm baffled as to how spay/neuter and training can cost $3000, though. Guess they do things differently in Hollywood! :) Joyce > Current flap w/ Ellen DeGeneres. She adopted a dog from them. Says she > spent $3,000 on spay/neuter & training to integrate the dog w/ her cats. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > and so was the hairdresser & her family, rescue agency could be lenient > and let the dog stay with them... And five will get you ten, if DeGeneres were not a celebrity, the rescue people would never have done a thing! (Some people go on the assumption that ANY publicity is better than none.) IMO, she behaved in a responsible way, so what's their point? They wanted the fees for "placing" the dog a second time, never mind that she'd already found it a good home? >> Current flap w/ Ellen DeGeneres. She adopted a dog from them. Says she >> spent $3,000 on spay/neuter & training to integrate the dog w/ her cats. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > "placing" the dog a second time, never mind that she'd already found it a > good home? I think the responsible thing for DeGeneres (or anyone who adopts an animal for that matter) to have done would have been to contact the agency and explain her situation and then suggest her hairdresser as a potential adopter and let the hairdresser fill out the appropriate paperwork, interview with the rescue group, and sign a contract. After all, if Degeneres did not turn out to be a good match for this dog then maybe her judgment and experience regarding the dog's placement would not have been in the best interest of the dog. I think the dog's welfare comes first. I am beginning to find out from working with the cat rescue group I'm involved with how many people think they are qualified to be a good pet owner, who aren't...also most rescue groups are not flush with money and you have no idea what kind of expenses the rescue group incurred in taking care of the dog before it was adopted (not to mention all the other expenses for dogs they rescue) so I don't think it unreasonable that they should ask for another adoption fee from a potential adopter. (My .02) I don't know this for sure, of course, but I would think the rescue group would follow the same policies no matter if an adopter is a celebrity or not because they care about their rescues; it's a huge responsibility to try to find the best home for their rescues. Christine I can't get past this. I know they charge "them that have it more but...". $3,000 on spay/neuter & training I have worked with training/house breaking and traveling doge before and can't see unless again, the more you have the more they charge. >>> Current flap w/ Ellen DeGeneres. She adopted a dog from them. Says she >>> spent $3,000 on spay/neuter & training to integrate the dog w/ her cats. [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > > Christine > I can't get past this. I know they charge "them that have it more but...". > $3,000 on spay/neuter & training I have worked with training/house breaking > and traveling doge before and can't see unless again, the more you have the > more they charge. There was an item on the news here, yesterday, about someone stealing an English Bulldog pup from a pet store. "Value" of the dog, $4,400! (And all the lovely, often purbred, dogs dying in animal control shelters every day, who could be ransomed for simply the cost of a license!) > I can't get past this. I know they charge "them that have it more > but...". $3,000 on spay/neuter & training I have worked with > training/house breaking and traveling doge before and can't see unless > again, the more you have the more they charge. If it seems so unlikely to be true perhaps it's not. Andy >>>Current flap w/ Ellen DeGeneres. She adopted a dog from them. Says she >>>spent $3,000 on spay/neuter & training to integrate the dog w/ her cats. [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > adopter and let the hairdresser fill out the appropriate paperwork, > interview with the rescue group, and sign a contract. Ordinarily the "rescue group's" authority would end when the adoption was finalized, wouldn't it? What would they have done of DeGeneres had decided to move to New York, or somewhere else favored by entertainers? Usually, when you adopt a dog from a shelter, you pay the license and vaccination fees, plus whatever they add on to cover their "costs", and the animal is yours. > After all, if > Degeneres did not turn out to be a good match for this dog then maybe her > judgment and experience regarding the dog's placement would not have been in > the best interest of the dog. I think the dog's welfare comes first. Which is apparently why she rehomed it! If the dog was happy with its new family, and its new family was happy with the dog, why would any responsible "rescue" organization interfere? (Other than some self-righteous idiot wanting to see herself on the "Nightly News"?) On Oct 18, 1:47 pm, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <evgm...@earthlink.net> wrote: > >>>Current flap w/ Ellen DeGeneres. She adopted a dog from them. Says she > >>>spent $3,000 on spay/neuter & training to integrate the dog w/ her cats. [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > vaccination fees, plus whatever they add on to cover their > "costs", and the animal is yours. No, most shelter contracts stipulate that if an animal must be relinquished, the adoptor must bring it back to the shelter. All responsible breeders I know have the same clause in their contracts. The clause is there *in case* it needs to be enforced. For instance, if the dog is given away, and found chained in a backyard, the shelter has legal muscle to rescue the dog. I don't think any shelter would enforce that clause if the dog was obviously loved and well-taken-care of. Sherry >>>>Current flap w/ Ellen DeGeneres. She adopted a dog from them. Says she >>>>spent $3,000 on spay/neuter & training to integrate the dog w/ her cats. [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > Ordinarily the "rescue group's" authority would end when the adoption was > finalized, wouldn't it? Not necessarily, see below. It's not like What would they have > done of DeGeneres had decided to move to New York, or somewhere else > favored by entertainers? The right thing for DeGeneres (or anyone else adopting a pet) to do then is to contact the rescue group (per the contract) and see what arrangments could be made. Usually, when you > adopt a dog from a shelter, you pay the license and vaccination fees, plus > whatever they add on to cover their "costs", and the animal is yours. Both our rescue group and the one we share space with at Petsmart have contracts specifying that the animal must be returned to the group if the situation does not work out. Then they may get a refund or pick out a different animal if they wish. You'd also wish that people would call the rescue group and ask for advice if they are having problems before they give up the animal. It is up to the individual rescue groups' contracts to specify what their requirements are and there are many other places people can adopt from should they not want to comply with the contract's requirements --- also, one shouldn't sign a contract without reading it first. >> After all, if Degeneres did not turn out to be a good match for this dog >> then maybe her judgment and experience regarding the dog's placement [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > family, and its new family was happy with the dog, why would any > responsible "rescue" organization interfere? For one thing, we don't know all the circumstances... Did you think that maybe there were other people who might have been on a waiting list for this dog originally -- shouldn't they have had the chance to adopt, too? Not to say that this family might not have been a good choice for the dog, but there are people who come in to adopt and probably think they would be a great home for a rescued animal but after talking with them you find out there are issues regarding care of the animal that your organization and the potential adopter might definitely disagree on (e.g., an example of a hot issue with a cat rescue group might be allowing declawing or not -- there are probably hot issues re dogs, too, but since I'm not familiar with those...although I guess ear cropping might be one...) I have to say that maybe if DeGeneres had gone about this the right way and contacted the rescue group like she should have maybe something could have been worked out with the hairdresser people; I know that sometimes our rescue group makes exceptions on their usual requirements depending on the situation and the people involved. But "trying this in the media" now has backed both parties into a corner. I am very sorry for the hairdresser's family who knew no better. I'm sure Ellen Degeneres has realized she made a mistake that has consequences despite any good intentions. I am sure she will read all contracts more carefully from now on but I wish she hadn't made a media event out of this as by polarizing the issue with so much negative publicity she may actually now have made it harder for that rescue group's animals to be adopted -- and who does that ultimately hurt? The animals... Christine (Other than some self-righteous idiot wanting to > see herself on the "Nightly News"?) Remember the $3,000 spay/neuter and training fee? The training was to acclimate the dog with the cats, didn't work, wonder if she got her money back. Silly I know but I just remembered the bucks she spent. >>>>>Current flap w/ Ellen DeGeneres. She adopted a dog from them. Says >>>>>she spent $3,000 on spay/neuter & training to integrate the dog w/ her [quoted text clipped - 94 lines] > (Other than some self-righteous idiot wanting to >> see herself on the "Nightly News"?) >>> Current flap w/ Ellen DeGeneres. She adopted a dog from them. Says >>> she spent $3,000 on spay/neuter & training to integrate the dog w/ [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > > Christine Exactly. I think this has gotten way out of hand. Both parties are partially wrong on both sides. The clause that she signed stated she basically needed to bring the dog back to the original person. If she was going to do what she did. The OP instead of being a moron should have checked the family out and if found to be fine leave the dog. IMO The cops had no business allowing the dog to be taken. It was a civil matter and a police report should have been filed. And I would have filed criminal charges against here Who ever these idiots are doing deaths threats. What did that accomplish except for them committing a felony possible federal felony. Personally the lady would have never been allowed in my house and or been able to put her hands on the pet. She would have been bounced out on her butt to quick to talk about if she tried to touch the pet. The lady has had her 15 minutes of fame, hope this gets settled and the dog goes where it is loved and not stuck in a cage. Will probably appear on EBAY the next we hear. >I think this has gotten way out of hand. > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > able to put her hands on the pet. She would have been bounced out on her > butt to quick to talk about if she tried to touch the pet. |
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