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Does your vet accept Pet Insurance?
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jmcquown - 11 Oct 2007 23:15 GMT One vet I went to when my dog Sampson was still with me had pamphlets about purchasing pet insurance. He was already 13 at that point and I'd just moved. The vet said nope, we don't take pet insurance.
Then Persia came along, demanding I let her inside. She was at least 2, maybe 3 years old at the time. The vet said even if I had insurance for her they wouldn't accept it. What's the deal? Why shouldn't vets accept insurance just as doctors do for people? I wouldn't have cared about filling out paperwork.
Most of you know she had very expensive bladder surgery for crystalline oxolate formations in 2004. They also found a tumor which they excised. She's been eating prescription food ever since, which isn't cheap.
I wouldn't expect the insurance to pay for her pet food, and in fact I won a contest which allowed me free food for her for a year. But my goodness... to not accept pet insurance? What's the deal with that?
Do any of you have pet insurance? Do you find it beneficial? Just curious. Persia is now probably 10 or 11 years old and given her prior health situation probably wouldn't qualify for insurance. I'm just curious.
Jill
jofirey - 11 Oct 2007 23:45 GMT > One vet I went to when my dog Sampson was still with me had pamphlets > about [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Jill Most pet insurance pays specified amounts for certain procedures. They also have their own ideas about what is ordinary and necessary in many situations. It is pretty standard for the vet to bill the owner and then for the owner to have to try to get reimbursed by the insurance company.
There just isn't an up side for the vets to bill the insurance companies and to accept what they pay as payment in full.
Jo
David Stevenson - 12 Oct 2007 01:33 GMT >Most pet insurance pays specified amounts for certain procedures. They also >have their own ideas about what is ordinary and necessary in many >situations. It is pretty standard for the vet to bill the owner and then >for the owner to have to try to get reimbursed by the insurance company. That's terrible. No wonder you have problems with insurance!
>There just isn't an up side for the vets to bill the insurance companies and >to accept what they pay as payment in full. Can't blame them. Obviously, you need better pet insurance. Ours has limits, of course, but nothing like that.
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MaryL - 12 Oct 2007 01:07 GMT > One vet I went to when my dog Sampson was still with me had pamphlets > about [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Jill This isn't specifically an answer to your question about why some vets won't accept pet insurance. However, I did check on a number of policies after I adopted Duffy, and I came to the conclusion that these policies are usually a waste of money. Most of them have a cap on what they will cover, and the cap is usually unreasonably low. Many cover only specifically listed problems, and they leave out some of the more common and more expensive issues. Costs of the policies often rise with the age of the pet -- which may make sense given that aging pets have a higher incidence of needs, but that also means the policies become less useful as need rises. Worse, there are some that actually cut off at certain ages or reduce the actual amount of coverage.
My conclusion: I opted not to take out pet insurance and instead to "self insure." I have put a small amount into a savings account just for Duffy and Holly, beginning in February 2003, the month after I adopted Duffy . I have never touched it because it is reserved for true emergencies or very large expenses. I do not use it for routine exams or even for consultations/medications such as what I incurred this week when Duffy semed ill. Fortunately, it was one of those 24-hour problems, and Duffy is on the way back to his usual, bouncy self -- but the point is that the savings account remains intact for future emergencies.
I do realize that much of this is not helpful to you because you have written about your financial problems that might make this process impossible, and Persia is older than Holly and Duffy were when I started down this road. This type of action works best when started at a relatively young age so there is time for the savings account to grow before it is needed. However, I am piggybacking off your question because I think this is really an important topic to discuss.
MaryL
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jmcquown - 12 Oct 2007 01:40 GMT >> Do any of you have pet insurance? Do you find it beneficial? Just >> curious. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > Holly: http://tinyurl.com/9t68o > Duffy and Holly together: http://tinyurl.com/8b47e It's important, sure. And I didn't bring it up because of any financial issues I may or may not have. I was fortunate enough when I lost my job to have close to a years salary set aside. Then I won that contest that provided Persia's prescription x/d food free (sans tax) for a year. I was just curious about pet insurance.
Jill (loves the brave cat Duffy!
David Stevenson - 12 Oct 2007 01:31 GMT >One vet I went to when my dog Sampson was still with me had pamphlets about >purchasing pet insurance. He was already 13 at that point and I'd just [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >Persia is now probably 10 or 11 years old and given her prior health >situation probably wouldn't qualify for insurance. I'm just curious. Minke is insured. No earlier cats were insured but probably should have been. Too late for Nanki Poo: the cat has to be under a certain age to be accepted.
When we purchased Minke from the breeder she had a card to fill in which gave us six weeks free insurance for Minke, and then we could continue it or not as we felt. No doubt the breeder got a commission.
When you go to the vet they ask you whether you have pet insurance: it is just normal.
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Yowie - 12 Oct 2007 03:04 GMT <snip>
> Do any of you have pet insurance? Do you find it beneficial? Just > curious. > Persia is now probably 10 or 11 years old and given her prior health > situation probably wouldn't qualify for insurance. I'm just curious. No vet I know takes pet insurance directly - if you have pet insurance here, you have to pay the vet out of your own pocket and then claim back from the insurance company. The insurance company will pay 80% of the bill.
Do the critters have pet insurance? No. It didn't seem worth it. The only pet 'health' insurance I could find was $30 a month per pet. The maximum you could claim per year was $1000, and it would only ever pay up to $500 per 'incident'. It had an excess of $100. It also insisted (possibly not unreasonably) that before it would pay up on anything, that the animal had to be fully vaccinated, chipped and had regular checkups, and wouldn't pay out if it didn't have that proof.
It struck me that it wouldn't be worth it. I could cover $500 worth of vetinary care if the need arose - its the bigger bills that I would want help with. It also didn't help with the regular vetinary expenses of shots or checkups, which are invariably just under $100 a pop. Seemed like a total rip-off to me.
Now if I wanted to insure their lives, that was a different story, but again, a nice payout once they are dead is silly, i want the nice big payout to save their lives if thats what it needed.
Nope, pet insurance seemed like a waste of money to me.
Your pet insurance might be different.
Yowie
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 12 Oct 2007 05:42 GMT > Do the critters have pet insurance? No. It didn't seem worth it. The only > pet 'health' insurance I could find was $30 a month per pet. The maximum you [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > to be fully vaccinated, chipped and had regular checkups, and wouldn't pay > out if it didn't have that proof.
> It struck me that it wouldn't be worth it. I could cover $500 worth of > vetinary care if the need arose - its the bigger bills that I would want > help with. It also didn't help with the regular vetinary expenses of shots > or checkups, which are invariably just under $100 a pop. Seemed like a total > rip-off to me. Just take that $30 and put it in a special account, not to be touched, that's there for pet insurance - from *you*. No administrative costs, no maximum payments per "incident", and no deductibles (what you call "excess", I think).
Of course, one has to have enough money so that you're not tempted to raid the pet's emergency vet money to pay other bills. But if you don't, then you certainly can't afford pet insurance either!
Joyce
Lesley - 12 Oct 2007 20:41 GMT On 11 Oct, 21:42, jXwXeXrXmXoX...@sonic.net wrote:
> Just take that $30 and put it in a special account, not to be touched, > that's there for pet insurance - from *you*. No administrative costs, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > to raid the pet's emergency vet money to pay other bills. But if you > don't, then you certainly can't afford pet insurance either! A few years ago when we were not in a position to save for vet bills- we had two credit cards. We had enough for our day to day expenses but we had them as backup, we had some very specific rules about them i.e.
1. No more than ?100 per month per card to be spent (The cards had a total value of 2,000) by any one person on their own
2. Whoever spent that money was repsonsible for paying statements in full by ther due date
3. Any purchase over ?200.00 has to agreed by both of us (there are certain advantages for example to buying with a credit card)
4. If there was an emergency involving a cat then the person nearest i.e. if I was at work and Dave was at home- got the cat to the vet, used the cards and we could sort it out after
5. This did not cover routine vet vists- although when we were both out of work and a couple of girls needed spayed we did use the cards because I'd just started a job so we were short for a few weeks
This served us and if needs be would still serve us if we had to- I've heard of people with sick cats having to argue with the vet about whether they needed to pay up front and claim from thei insurance or whether the vet would take that policy and bill the company whereas I never heard a vet refuse a credit catf
Lesley
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David Stevenson - 12 Oct 2007 12:48 GMT >"jmcquown" <jmcquown@bellsouth.net> wrote in message >news:5n7lj8Fged0dU1@mid.individual.net... [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >to be fully vaccinated, chipped and had regular checkups, and wouldn't pay >out if it didn't have that proof. GBP USD EUR AUD Our plan costs per month 11.45 23.20 16.37 25.72 Maximum benefit per year 6000 12161 8579 13479 Excess 65 132 93 146
Other benefits: Boarding cattery fees 250 507 357 562 Complementary treatment 750 1520 1072 1684 Theft or straying 225 456 322 505 Advertising and Reward 250 507 357 562 Holiday Cancellation 500 1013 705 1123
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It seemed worth it to me, though not perhaps over-generous. Of course, they require the cat to be vaccinated and so on, but he would be anyway.
Martha wrote
>Consumers Reports says pet insurance is a rip-off because the policies >contain so many exclusions in the very fine print. Is that world-wide, or just in one country? I have read the exclusions carefully, and apart from the obvious ones [will not pay over limit set, will not pay for pre-existing illness, etc] there do not seem any.
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MaryL - 12 Oct 2007 13:24 GMT >>"jmcquown" <jmcquown@bellsouth.net> wrote in message >>news:5n7lj8Fged0dU1@mid.individual.net... [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > carefully, and apart from the obvious ones [will not pay over limit set, > will not pay for pre-existing illness, etc] there do not seem any. Does your policy exclude (or include) a specific list of illnesses? And is the 6,000 maximum per year a maximum for all veterinary care, or could that amount be spent on a single problem (such as expensive surgery and boarding required for medical care, as contrasted with boarding when someone is on vacation)? If the boarding fee is for medical needs, that amount would not cover a very extensive stay. Many policies (at least in the US) list what sounds like a large annual maximum, but then they put much more restrictive limits on care for a single illness (such as cancer).
MaryL
Karen AKA Kajikit - 12 Oct 2007 04:45 GMT >One vet I went to when my dog Sampson was still with me had pamphlets about >purchasing pet insurance. He was already 13 at that point and I'd just [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >Persia is now probably 10 or 11 years old and given her prior health >situation probably wouldn't qualify for insurance. I'm just curious. The vet doesn't accept the pet insurance - you have to pay the vet and then claim the money back yourself... we have the girls insured but we've never claimed on it.
Martha - 12 Oct 2007 10:24 GMT > Do any of you have pet insurance? Do you find it beneficial? Just curious. > Persia is now probably 10 or 11 years old and given her prior health > situation probably wouldn't qualify for insurance. I'm just curious. Consumers Reports says pet insurance is a rip-off because the policies contain so many exclusions in the very fine print.
Martha
Granby - 12 Oct 2007 12:11 GMT My vet told me to put the $50.00 a month in a cookie jar and save it, it would cover more than the insurance. I called four vets yeserday and none of them dealt with it. Said, "we bill the customer then they bill the insurance company." Lost cause so far as I could see.
>> Do any of you have pet insurance? Do you find it beneficial? Just >> curious. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Martha MaryL - 12 Oct 2007 13:26 GMT > My vet told me to put the $50.00 a month in a cookie jar and save it, it > would cover more than the insurance. I called four vets yeserday and none [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >> >> Martha Well, that part alone would not necessarily negate the value. I have to do that for some of my own prescriptions, for example (the ones for diabetic supplies). The big problem is that some of these pet insurance companies are notorious for never paying -- they find all sorts of "exclusions" and "exceptions."
MaryL
Christina Websell - 12 Oct 2007 22:47 GMT > One vet I went to when my dog Sampson was still with me had pamphlets > about [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > Persia is now probably 10 or 11 years old and given her prior health > situation probably wouldn't qualify for insurance. I'm just curious. My vets here do accept pet insurance, but that insurance is carefully calibrated that most routine visits for minor problems are not covered until you have spent x amount over and above a couple of consultations. You can ignore it unless your cat decides to have a horrible disease or get multiple fractures, but as we all don't know if that will happen we often risk it without insurance. I don't have medical insurance for my cats. I put away per month directly from my wages a similar amount that the insurance would ask into a bank account for my cats. It is more than enough to fund their veterinary care. I did it for my late dogs too and it built up to fund any/all the operations and illnesses they needed as they got older and older.
Tweed
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