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Cat Forum / Cat Anecdotes / October 2007another kitty with a problem
My friend has two female ferals that she and her roommate rescued quite a few years ago. They are spayed. Then her roommate (aka The Idiot) rescued another kitten(male) from his workplace and brought him home. This Idiot being what he is, he continues to refuse to get the male cat neutered. Let's not go there. I've lectured long and hard and my friend can't do a thing about this. This intact male has been in the apartment for years. He's mostly a sweetheart, but does tend to be aggressive sometimes. Anyway, one of the other cats (Roxie) has been acting weird lately. She wants NOTHING to do with the male, and has even been avoiding her sister. She spends most of her time in my friend's bedroom. She's eating and using the box fine, but she hisses and swats at the male cat every time she sees him. Personally, I think she's just fed up with his behavior, and my friend is kinda hoping to use this as an excuse to get the male fixed (finally), but I thought I'd ask the great experts. Is it possible that Roxie isn't feeling well, or is it possible that she's just fed up with this stupid intact male? Jane - owned and operated by the Princess Rita > My friend has two female ferals that she and her roommate rescued > quite a few years ago. They are spayed. Then her roommate (aka The [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Is it possible that Roxie isn't feeling well, or is it possible that > she's just fed up with this stupid intact male? A) I am not nice. B) refer back to A. I'd have the room mate take Roxie to TED with her and bring up that little intact problem. Like "Dr _____ this butt head here rescued this male from his job and refuses to get him neutered. Could that be what is going on with Roxie?" Glare at stupid room mate. Watch TED stare at stupid room mate. Hope that TED offers to neuter stupid room mate. If not ask if he does other animals than small pets. If TED doesn't understand, point out that a male cat neuter is $X. Ask if stupid human males cost more, and if so how much does TED charge for them. Let TED have at him again. C) refer back to A. and B. Pam S. > My friend has two female ferals that she and her roommate rescued > quite a few years ago. They are spayed. Then her roommate (aka The [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > Jane > - owned and operated by the Princess Rita I don't even want to think what the apartment smells like with an intact male in the apartment for years. I can also see the security deposit going out the door when the landlord finds the spray markings > > My friend has two female ferals that she and her roommate rescued > > quite a few years ago. They are spayed. Then her roommate (aka The [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > male in the apartment for years. I can also see the security deposit going > out the door when the landlord finds the spray markings I would have thought that exactly. However, there are some exceptions. I moved in with these cats (except WooToo who moved in later) and lived with them for over a year before I realized that Winnie had not been neutered. He does not spray and the house (now the condo) didn't smell at all, beyond the four-cat, now five-cat, inevitable. He was left intact because Micki thought a litter sired by him, he is a really beautiful white Persian (actually a Himmy but would be shown as a Persian) would be wonderful. He always obliges an intact female on heat and he never produces any kittens. That may be connected with the no-spray policy, I don't know. All but one of the females in the house now is spayed but he and Sunrise do have their moments. Actually, their long weekends. No kittens. No complaints from Sunrise, either. Will in New Haven -- - Hide quoted text - > - Show quoted text - >> > My friend has two female ferals that she and her roommate rescued >> > quite a few years ago. They are spayed. Then her roommate (aka The [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > Will in New Haven Maybe previous owner had "neuticals", un, er, installed???? That would make the cat appear to be intact, when in fact there is nothing in there except a couple tiny ping-pong balls. Some high-end vets will also perform vasectomy on a pet, rather than castration. Just my .05 (inflation)  Signaturehttp://www.firstgiving.com/nalee1131964 About my charity: Monroe County Humane Association Established in 1956, the MCHA is the longest standing animal welfare organization in Monroe County. The MCHA is dedicated to "Leading, Advocating and Educating for Animal Welfare." Find out more at www.monroehumane.org. > Maybe previous owner had "neuticals", un, er, installed???? That would > make the cat appear to be intact, when in fact there is nothing in there > except a couple tiny ping-pong balls. YOu're kidding, aren't you? (I realize they do that for insecure human males who need it to bolster their fragile self-images, but I should think a cat would have better sense!) > Some high-end vets will also perform vasectomy on a pet, rather than > castration. Swell! So you have all the objectionable behaviour, without the consolation of incipient kittens or puppies! >> Maybe previous owner had "neuticals", un, er, installed???? That would >> make the cat appear to be intact, when in fact there is nothing in there >> except a couple tiny ping-pong balls. > YOu're kidding, aren't you? (I realize they do that for > insecure human males who need it to bolster their fragile > self-images, but I should think a cat would have better sense!) >> Some high-end vets will also perform vasectomy on a pet, rather than >> castration. > Swell! So you have all the objectionable behaviour, without > the consolation of incipient kittens or puppies! Evelyn, are you saying that vasectomy wouldn't stop the cat from producing the hormones that cause him to spray, get into fights with other males, and so on, and that only castration would do that? I'm not sure what the difference between the two is, to be honest. However, this is an idea for the OP who was considering a stealth neutering on her roommate's cat. If there's a way for the vet to do it so the kitty still *appears* to be intact, no one will be the wiser... Joyce > >> Maybe previous owner had "neuticals", un, er, installed???? That would > >> make the cat appear to be intact, when in fact there is nothing in [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Joyce Actually, vasectomies are (sometimes) reversible, and yes, the testes are still there, still producing hormones (only the tubes that take the sperm from the testes to the urethra are snipped and tied off), so therefore, YES - have hormones, will spray, get into fights, get testicular cancer.... etc. etc.! Signaturehttp://www.firstgiving.com/nalee1131964 About my charity: Monroe County Humane Association Established in 1956, the MCHA is the longest standing animal welfare organization in Monroe County. The MCHA is dedicated to "Leading, Advocating and Educating for Animal Welfare." Find out more at www.monroehumane.org. >> Evelyn, are you saying that vasectomy wouldn't stop the cat from >> producing the hormones that cause him to spray, get into fights with >> other males, and so on, and that only castration would do that? > Actually, vasectomies are (sometimes) reversible, and yes, the testes are > still there, still producing hormones (only the tubes that take the sperm > from the testes to the urethra are snipped and tied off), so therefore, > YES - have hormones, will spray, get into fights, get testicular cancer.... > etc. etc.! Wow, learn something new every day. I didn't realize they were different types of surgery. Then again, if a male human gets a vasectomy, this does not mean he stops producing testosterone, or he'd go through a total personality change along with being sterile. So I guess I should have known better!! <slaps forehead> Too bad - I thought it would be a good way to sneak in a neutering without the Stoopid Hoomin (TM) knowing about it. Joyce > >> Evelyn, are you saying that vasectomy wouldn't stop the cat from > >> producing the hormones that cause him to spray, get into fights [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Joyce Even if it stopped the bad behaviour, it's still a surgical procedure. I'm pretty sure the roommate would notice a shaved area and sutures. Jill > > Swell! So you have all the objectionable behaviour, without > > the consolation of incipient kittens or puppies! [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > other males, and so on, and that only castration would do that? I'm > not sure what the difference between the two is, to be honest. SFAIK, human vasectomy doesn't have any physical effect but to prevent the transmission of sperm, by cutting or constricting the vessels that carry it. (I doubt it would be considerered an acceptable form of birth-control by any human males if that were not the case!) > However, this is an idea for the OP who was considering a stealth > neutering on her roommate's cat. If there's a way for the vet to do > it so the kitty still *appears* to be intact, no one will be the wiser... Depends upon how much she's willing to spend on vet bills! (I imagine both feline vasectomy and feline prostheses would be rather expensive.) >> > Swell! So you have all the objectionable behaviour, without > the >> consolation of incipient kittens or puppies! [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Depends upon how much she's willing to spend on vet bills! (I imagine both > feline vasectomy and feline prostheses would be rather expensive.) And it doesn't address most of the reason for having an indoor tom cat neutered. Jo >> Maybe previous owner had "neuticals", un, er, installed???? That would >> make the cat appear to be intact, when in fact there is nothing in there [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > males who need it to bolster their fragile self-images, but I should think > a cat would have better sense!) Uh, no, I'm not. Some narcissistic owners would do such a thing. Spelled differebtlky on the web site. http://www.neuticles.com/index1.html Aparently, it bolsters the ego of the male owner, since his male dog/cat still has his, um, dangly bits (or HARBALLS, as they say on ICANHASCHEEZBURGER). >> Some high-end vets will also perform vasectomy on a pet, rather than >> castration. > > Swell! So you have all the objectionable behaviour, without the > consolation of incipient kittens or puppies! Yup... I have heard of some vets touting the vasectomies for male pets are better, since they will still have the hormones needed for "proper growth." I'm assuming that they are referring the the dog of fashion for the current drug-dealers and low lifes, the "notorious" Pit Bull. I'm assuming that these same vets will probably spout similar nonsense abut tying the tubes of females being better than an ovio-hysterectomy (spay).... Sheesh Signaturehttp://www.firstgiving.com/nalee1131964 About my charity: Monroe County Humane Association Established in 1956, the MCHA is the longest standing animal welfare organization in Monroe County. The MCHA is dedicated to "Leading, Advocating and Educating for Animal Welfare." Find out more at www.monroehumane.org. >>> Some high-end vets will also perform vasectomy on a pet, rather than >>> castration. >> Swell! So you have all the objectionable behaviour, without the >> consolation of incipient kittens or puppies! Male dogs don't often have much objectionable testosterone-driven behaviour, so it might make more sense there. > Yup... I have heard of some vets touting the vasectomies for male pets are > better, since they will still have the hormones needed for "proper growth." > I'm assuming that they are referring the the dog of fashion for the current > drug-dealers and low lifes, the "notorious" Pit Bull. Pitbulls don't have to be psycho. My neighbour when I lived in Pittsburgh had one; he was probably about 80 and the dog was even older in dog years. She looked like an unusually ugly piglet and was so arthritic he had to carry her in his arms when they went for a walk. She was as affectionate as a kitten. > I'm assuming that these same vets will probably spout similar nonsense abut > tying the tubes of females being better than an ovio-hysterectomy (spay).... I'd hope that any vet would know about pyometra. But none of this seems relevant here. The owner shouldn't be letting the castration issue get in the way of treating what might be serious illness in the female cat. That has to be the first priority. ============== j-c ====== @ ====== purr . demon . co . uk ============== Jack Campin: 11 Third St, Newtongrange EH22 4PU, Scotland | tel 0131 660 4760 <http://www.purr.demon.co.uk/jack/> for CD-ROMs and free | fax 0870 0554 975 stuff: Scottish music, food intolerance, & Mac logic fonts | mob 07800 739 557 >>>> Some high-end vets will also perform vasectomy on a pet, rather than >>>> castration. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > carry her in his arms when they went for a walk. She was as affectionate > as a kitten. I know, I was being facetious.... It's all a matter in how they are treated, trained and raised. We used to have a family here who adopted a pit bull mix who was soo sweet and gentle, they got her registered as a therapy dog!(www.deltasociety.org) This family had a labrador as well, but when they had a baby, the lab was hostile towards it. The pit bull was not (would let the baby crawl all over her, etc). They ended up giving away the lab :( They moved to California - and are probably still acive in VIPaws in their area >> I'm assuming that these same vets will probably spout similar nonsense >> abut >> tying the tubes of females being better than an ovio-hysterectomy >> (spay).... > > I'd hope that any vet would know about pyometra. I forgot about that one..... > But none of this seems relevant here. The owner shouldn't be letting > the castration issue get in the way of treating what might be serious > illness in the female cat. That has to be the first priority. Yes, the cat's slave seems to need the shovel-to-the-head treatment to get the ball rolling...... Signaturehttp://www.firstgiving.com/nalee1131964 About my charity: Monroe County Humane Association Established in 1956, the MCHA is the longest standing animal welfare organization in Monroe County. The MCHA is dedicated to "Leading, Advocating and Educating for Animal Welfare." Find out more at www.monroehumane.org. >It's all a matter in how they are treated, trained and raised. We used to >have a family here who adopted a pit bull mix who was soo sweet and gentle, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >hostile towards it. The pit bull was not (would let the baby crawl all over >her, etc). They ended up giving away the lab :( Until recently my brother had a Staff called Breeze who was a complete and utter softie, daft as they come He also has a golden retriever, which he ought to have disciplined better when he was younger (both my brother and the dog), it tends to growl and bark at people (through to be fair it's never been actually physically aggressive) and comes across as very intimidating. This is entirely my brothers fault ever since he got that dog when it does that he'll say "oh come on, don't do that" in a neutral tone, so the dog does it all the more until my brother says "Oh what he needs is a big cuddle, don't you?!!!!" whereupon he gives the dog just that. Dog has long since learnt to be loud gets a fuss Lesley Slave of the Fabulous Furballs >> My friend has two female ferals that she and her roommate rescued >> quite a few years ago. They are spayed. Then her roommate (aka The [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >> is kinda hoping to use this as an excuse to get the male fixed >> (finally), but I thought I'd ask the great experts. It's not like the male has sudenly grown goolies. If there's a change in the female's behaviour, it'll be due to a change in the female's health. For two of ours who got more irritable over a period, it turned out to be dental problems. Teeth fixed, everybody happy again. It would be irresponsible not to get the female checked out properly. Particularly since the change in behaviour seems not to be directed specifically at the male, and she seems to be getting on in years. > I don't even want to think what the apartment smells like with an intact > male in the apartment for years. I can also see the security deposit going > out the door when the landlord finds the spray markings Some intact males never spray. (Many neutered ones do). He's kept in an apartment so reproduction isn't an issue. I'd expect the human to have a hard time stopping him getting out, but it seems they've solved that. Neutering has next to zero effect on aggression except for fights over potential mates, and there aren't any potential mates or rivals in this household. If he's basically getting on okay with his humans and other cats, what's the problem? ============== j-c ====== @ ====== purr . demon . co . uk ============== Jack Campin: 11 Third St, Newtongrange EH22 4PU, Scotland | tel 0131 660 4760 <http://www.purr.demon.co.uk/jack/> for CD-ROMs and free | fax 0870 0554 975 stuff: Scottish music, food intolerance, & Mac logic fonts | mob 07800 739 557 I wanted to add also me being the way I am would have dropped the cat of at my vet and had the cat neutered. You know over the years I have found that it is mostly men who don't get their male pets neutered. I think it has to do with the males inadequacies in life think the pet won't be male anymore. Me Tarzan you Jane attitudes rules to many males out there > My friend has two female ferals that she and her roommate rescued > quite a few years ago. They are spayed. Then her roommate (aka The [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > Jane > - owned and operated by the Princess Rita > I wanted to add also me being the way I am would have dropped the cat of at > my vet and had the cat neutered. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > in life think the pet won't be male anymore. Me Tarzan you Jane attitudes > rules to many males out there I suspect you're right! Maybe it has to do with the fact that women KNOW they will not always be capable of reproduction, so do not define themselves by their fertility (or what they fantasize it to be). >I wanted to add also me being the way I am would have dropped the cat of >at my vet and had the cat neutered. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > inadequacies in life think the pet won't be male anymore. Me Tarzan you > Jane attitudes rules to many males out there You're right. A lot of men tend to over identify with their male pets. They can't even think neuter without cringing. In which case you are really doing them a favor that most would appreciate by just dropping the pet off at the vet and getting it over with. Do not try this if they are truly extreme about over identifying and tend toward violence. Jo >>I wanted to add also me being the way I am would have dropped the cat of >>at my vet and had the cat neutered. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Jo I hate to say this Jo every man cringes when they hear snip snip than we wait to hear the oops :-) > I wanted to add also me being the way I am would have dropped the cat of > at my vet and had the cat neutered. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > inadequacies in life think the pet won't be male anymore. Me Tarzan you > Jane attitudes rules to many males out there I'm male, and I have fifteen cats, of which ten are males ... all neutered. My females are spayed, but experience has taught me that male cats over a year old are impossible house cats and not all that good as indoor/outdoor pets. I don't want them spraying and yowling. I have enough of that from the feral males that hang around. SignatureT.E.D. (tdavis@umr.edu) > I'm male, and I have fifteen cats, of which ten are males ... all > neutered. The offer of a single counterexample does not disprove the trend. Joyce > I wanted to add also me being the way I am would have dropped the cat of at > my vet and had the cat neutered. Oh yes, we have argued over this long and hard. I've seen males neutered over the years where they just do a simple snip and nothing is physically lost. That's what they did to my Fin. However, she refuses to do this little bit of deception to her roommate, for what reason I don't know. I'd have had the male at the vet's during the first week in the apartment! Heck, I'm still tempted to cat-nap the male and have him done anyway. The Idiot thinks he'd be taking away the cat's *fun*, whereas I'm sure the poor animal is miserable like this. There are some things you just have to shake your head at and wonder what goes through people's minds. Yes, he sprays, although not a lot, but mostly he's very aggressive towards the female cats. I'll tell her to take Roxie to the vet. Thanks for the advice. Jane I don't know if this applies to cats as well but we never had our dog Dunkin nuetered. When he was 17 he developed an enlarged prostate and had major problems going to the bathroom. Our old vet had never told us this but apparently dogs who are not nuetered have a high probability of developing this problem. We had him nuetered then but he didn't respond well to the surgery and soon after we had to have him put down. I feel we lost a year or two with him because of not having him nuetered when he was younger. |
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