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Cat Forum / Cat Anecdotes / October 2007moral question :patio JO
ok we have another kitten that showed up a couple of weeks back, beautiful white long haired Siamese mix, she is a true looker and a total and complete lap fungus at about 12 weeks. she had on a flea collar so we assumed she just had the misfortune of having stupid people who didn't know she was too young to be out. our area is pretty safe so DH put out food and water and let her sit on his lap while we are out there. She told me immediately what her name is and had a major purr fest when I said it out loud. about 2 weeks has passed and we had brought her in for the night when it was going to storm. She goes and explores during the day but if she hears the door she comes running to sit on DH. We had decided since Tiger isn't freaking out that we would bring her into the kitty suite and look for her a home, I called for that appointment that does all of the tests and that was that... Then DH got some tomatoes from the neighbor... he showed the neighbor the kitten and he said he thought it belonged to the people on the corner... The people with the large dog that runs lose and looks sorta mean. Their some as rode by on his bike and saw Jo on our patio, The dog runs lose, and Jo hides when she sees any dog in the area. The neighbors is upset because the village gave him crap over his dog being lose, an older very well behaved non barking sort, and yet this huge thing runs loose... what would you do? take the kitten to them, continue with rehomeing or what. no one from their house has knocked on the door or asked about Jo at the post office, and there are no flyers or posters anywhere. Lee > ok we have another kitten that showed up a couple of weeks > back, beautiful [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > about Jo at > the post office, and there are no flyers or posters anywhere. You already know the answer. Cats choose their slaves - not the other way around. It looks like you've been chosen. yeah, she know the answer but the key word was "moral question" Myself, I would continue to rehome, after all this time, they must not want it very bad. It is sort of like DCFS, you take an abused neglected away from a bad situation, then give it back for history to repeat itself, I think not. >> ok we have another kitten that showed up a couple of weeks back, >> beautiful [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > You already know the answer. Cats choose their slaves - not the other way > around. It looks like you've been chosen. this is how DH and I feel I just wanted other feedback so as to convince myself I am not being radical, Lee > yeah, she know the answer but the key word was "moral question" Myself, I > would continue to rehome, after all this time, they must not want it very [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > > You already know the answer. Cats choose their slaves - not the other way > > around. It looks like you've been chosen. we cannot keep her, we are at our limit, both emotionally and financially as well as legally, 4 of our six are over 6 and it would be irresponsible to bring another kitten into the house, besides tiger gets way too stressed so we can't for his sake, when we had Lewi*patch* the deaf cat that went to Granby's son, then another kitten right after that we had to get tiger a steroid shot for overgrooming, Lee > > ok we have another kitten that showed up a couple of weeks > > back, beautiful [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > You already know the answer. Cats choose their slaves - not the > other way around. It looks like you've been chosen. Lee first thing is. Are you assuming it is the neighbors you described? I hope you are not just going on one neighbor thoughts. Make sure when you go to the vet it needs to be checked for a microchip. No flyers, no knock from the neighbors is not really a sign of being a loss. Please don't think I am knocking you or the situation. I have done rescue for years and found out that about 60% of rescues from the cat being a stray are not from the same neighborhood that the furball was lost in. I have rescued cats before that were found miles from their home. Now I will say that when we returned the furball and found out it was a bad home. We brought in the local animal services and re-homed the furball and its friends if necessary. If it turns out to be that neighbor. It was me I would find a new slave for the furball with out a second thought. Some people should never be parents of anything other than a pet rock. Also what if it is someone else's that it happened to have gotten out and ran like most furballs do when out for the first time by accident and get scared. I am glad we have the leash law here for dogs. The dog running loose would not last too long. First time the dog is confined for 3 days. The owner fined and have to pay for the operations cost such as boarding and court cost. Second time the dog is confined and held for 10 days owner fined, operations cost possible criminal action. Third time dog is seized and either put to sleep depending on the breed or is adopted to another family. The owner is fined and criminal charges are pressed. Now this is if the dog is not aggressive. If it is aggressive it takes only twice and the dog is put down and the owner is arrested. Where I live it is now required that you carry special insurance if you a "bad" breed such as pit pulls. Most places are banning "bad" breeds of canines. > we cannot keep her, we are at our limit, both emotionally and financially > as [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] >> You already know the answer. Cats choose their slaves - not the >> other way around. It looks like you've been chosen. thanks, our town is max 200 people total, and we know most of the animals we see. the neighbor that talked to DH was pretty certain that both dog and cat were at this house, they are new people, here about a month or so. we are nosy enough in this town that anything out of the norm is noted, and talked about. We do have a leash law so I am sure it will eventually be enforced, I know there are fines, because one woman had lots of them before having her animals removed. My vet always checks for chips before anything else happens, again, thanks for your thoughts... oh I forgot, where we live is smack in the middle of corn fields, so a kitten this small probably couldn't have traveled from somewhere else to get here, if it were an adult maybe, but if it isn't these people's kitten it was dumped, and judging from how thin she was either she had been out for a bit or wasn't getting fed at home, Lee > Lee first thing is. Are you assuming it is the neighbors you described? I > hope you are not just going on one neighbor thoughts. Make sure when you [quoted text clipped - 87 lines] > >> You already know the answer. Cats choose their slaves - not the > >> other way around. It looks like you've been chosen. Than you know your answer;-) time to find the little master a new home and slaves. God I miss small towns like that. It reminds me home PS. Good job! Lee young masters know where it is safe to come for help ;-) > thanks, > [quoted text clipped - 127 lines] >> >> You already know the answer. Cats choose their slaves - not the >> >> other way around. It looks like you've been chosen. you are correct, Lee > Than you know your answer;-) time to find the little master a new home > and slaves. [quoted text clipped - 135 lines] > >> >> You already know the answer. Cats choose their slaves - not the > >> >> other way around. It looks like you've been chosen. You wouldn't miss one if you lived there these days. What people don't know about you they make up. Since my husband died and it has been over a year now, they keep watching to see who, or it whom, I might date. Now, I am being too particular, and since I have a serious vision pproblem, I shouldn't be that way. Maybe, just maybe I prefer another gender than what they picked for me. Oh no, small towns are not what they used to be. When Bob went out in his wheelchair, I was aweful for letting him huff and puff down the street. Can't win! Even when he got the electric chair, he shouldn't have been out in the hot sun! > you are correct, Lee >> Than you know your answer;-) time to find the little master a new home [quoted text clipped - 162 lines] >> >> >> You already know the answer. Cats choose their slaves - not the >> >> >> other way around. It looks like you've been chosen. > You wouldn't miss one if you lived there these days. What people don't know > about you they make up. Since my husband died and it has been over a year > now, they keep watching to see who, or it whom, I might date. People expect you to start dating just over a year after your husband died? Don't you get to mourn and heal in your own time?? I hate it when people impose their timetables on me - we're all different, we all process things differently, and we don't all heal in the same amount of time. If/when you are ready to date, you will, I'm sure. > Now, I am > being too particular, and since I have a serious vision pproblem, I > shouldn't be that way. Maybe, just maybe I prefer another gender than what > they picked for me. Oh no, small towns are not what they used to be. LOL, maybe life is boring for some people and they need something exciting and racy to make up and speculate about. > When > Bob went out in his wheelchair, I was aweful for letting him huff and puff > down the street. Can't win! Even when he got the electric chair, he > shouldn't have been out in the hot sun! LOL, I might have phrased the above differently, but I know what you mean. :) Joyce Right, they have nothing to do. As some of these poeple can tell you, six months is the appropiate time for grief or whatever these days. For a man it is worse, they tell me that the ladies start showing up with cassaroles right away. Your right grief, or recovery or whatever is different for different people. > > You wouldn't miss one if you lived there these days. What people don't > > know [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > Joyce Tell me about it she did not die but I did divorce her now almost a year. People keep pushing tell me why am I not dating. Keep telling them not interested happy the way I am right now. but I do eat the food if it tastes good. > Right, they have nothing to do. As some of these poeple can tell you, six > months is the appropiate time for grief or whatever these days. For a man [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] >> >> Joyce Granby's husband was a wonderful friend to me, and what she is telling you is sooo true, forget that him pushing himself in the chair was exercises he needed, and I am telling you I told DH he is NOT allowed to die while we live in this small town, I might have to go to prison if I have to deal with what she has had to deal with... in her town the length of your hair determines your sexual orientation, Lee > > You wouldn't miss one if you lived there these days. What people don't know > > about you they make up. Since my husband died and it has been over a year [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Joyce Why on earth should someone's sexual orientation be of any concern of anyone else apart from their partner? > Granby's husband was a wonderful friend to me, and what she is > telling you is sooo true, forget that him pushing himself in the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > in her town the length of your hair determines your sexual > orientation, Lee  SignatureAdrian (Owned by Snoopy & Bagheera) Cats leave pawprints on your heart http://community.webshots.com/user/clowderuk it shouldn't be anyone's else's business but these people are trying to figure out why she hasn't "taken up" with someone new... forget that she was married to the same man for 30 plus years and doesn't want to disrespect him or herself by settling for the first guy who asks her out.... it is absolutely mind boggling that they even feel they have the right to an opinion as to when she should date... let alone who or what gender!!! Lee > Why on earth should someone's sexual orientation be of any concern of anyone > else apart from their partner? [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Cats leave pawprints on your heart > http://community.webshots.com/user/clowderuk I can't find the right message now but someone mentioned their husband traveling. That would give them something to talk about. Being nearly blind, I ride to wrok with different people who work where I do. Most people now days have more than one car. This was good conversation for awhile and, just have to mention this, one of the men was BLACK. I was asked if I REALIZED this. DAH, when I said I did but it didn't matter, he could do what I needed done, MEANING DRIVE A CAR TO WORK, these idiots must have had a field day. It upset me a first but now, I have to confess, I have made a game of it! I have a lady who helps me shop and I wrote the outfit Yowie mentioned as though it were my shopping list! My friend kept opening and closeing her mouth and saying "are you sure?" Poor Bev is 71 and it was almost too muh for her. OOOH, I'd be *real* popular then! >> I have short hair, am 6'1", 120kg, and never wear skirts, dresses or make >> up. Perhaps I'd put on a few 5-pointed stars, St Peter's crosses and [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >> Yowie >> (well, except if the Yowlet had to go to school there too) > it shouldn't be anyone's else's business but these people are trying to > figure out why she hasn't "taken up" with someone new... forget that she [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >> Cats leave pawprints on your heart >> http://community.webshots.com/user/clowderuk and I almost forgot... if I lived where she did, I might consider some of the women over the men!!! Lee > Why on earth should someone's sexual orientation be of any concern of anyone > else apart from their partner? [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Cats leave pawprints on your heart > http://community.webshots.com/user/clowderuk The rate of alcholism in this are is staggering and we are very close to the one of the highest poplulation of Meth producers in the area. The past time when they are sitting outside drinking is to bet on whoose house or barn will blow up next from a bad batch of the stuff. > and I almost forgot... if I lived where she did, I might consider some of > the women over the men!!! Lee [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >> Cats leave pawprints on your heart >> http://community.webshots.com/user/clowderuk > Why on earth should someone's sexual orientation be of any concern of > anyone else apart from their partner? In a very small town, everyone is considered a potential partner for everyone else. A town that has become a gossip mill has a voracious appetite for new information on a limited number of subjects. When my husband was gone for six months when we were much younger, I could not have been watched more closely by a bunch of duenas. Forget that it was part of my job to talk to traveling salesmen. Or that everyone else in town knew all those salesmen perfectly well and had for years. In more recent years the news of Charlie's and my divorce circulates annually. Simply because our schedules are different so we usually drive separate cars when to go a lot of places. Oh, and he hung out in bars (he delivered beer). And so on and so forth. It was kinda of nice that our teenagers couldn't get away with anything without someone that knew them and us knowing about it. Jo Well, perhaps if someone is being harassed because they're gay or lesbian, or merely because they're perceived as such, then I think it should be of concern to anyone who cares about the person involved, as well as about the general climate of the culture, determined by people's attitudes. That is, I think that to be a real ally to gay people, you do need to care about their orientation. Not out of a nosy or prurient fixation on their sexual activities, but out of awareness that gay people's lives *are* different from straight people's lives, because of homophobia. If you're not gay, it's easy to forget that homophobia even exists. I'm not saying that everyone forgets this, just that it's *easy* to forget it. It's hard to see barriers in society unless you're stuck behind them. That said, I do appreciate the sentiment in your comment, Adrian. Joyce > Why on earth should someone's sexual orientation be of any concern of anyone > else apart from their partner? > > Granby's husband was a wonderful friend to me, and what she is > > telling you is sooo true, forget that him pushing himself in the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > in her town the length of your hair determines your sexual > > orientation, Lee SignatureTo reply privately, take the X's out of my user ID. Actually the lady that started this part of the convrsation did so bacause she introduced me to a friend of theirs (she had decided ahead of time because of what she perceived as a "handicap" I should be on my knees to her for finding me someone. Without being warned, I was in the middle of the meeting, and when I asked about it in the kitchen she said "well, he is really nice and doesn't drink as much as he used to" Now, what the h*** did that mean. I have enough alcholism in my family that I would not willingly walk into it again. When she asked me later if I liked him I said "no, he isn't anyone I would be interested in, no conversation, did not like anything but country music, favorite sport was siting on a bar stool making rude comments at other people. Her answer was "well, maybe you are one of those." Thinking she meant "christian oriented" I replied, well, maybe I am. My son got in a bit of a word battle when he heard what was said and I felt like an a** for not keeping my mouth shut. As you can digure, first opportunity I am outta here. > Well, perhaps if someone is being harassed because they're gay or > lesbian, or merely because they're perceived as such, then I think it [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > > in her town the length of your hair determines your sexual > > > orientation, Lee > Granby's husband was a wonderful friend to me, and what she is telling you > is sooo true, forget that him pushing himself in the chair was exercises [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > what she has had to deal with... in her town the length of your hair > determines your sexual orientation, Lee OOOH, I'd be *real* popular then! I have short hair, am 6'1", 120kg, and never wear skirts, dresses or make up. Perhaps I'd put on a few 5-pointed stars, St Peter's crosses and silver skulls, and strut around in thigh high black patent leather boots with 3 inch heels and a whip just to give the locals something *good* to talk about :-) I'd also get Joel to grow his hair long just to make it more interesting.. Yowie (well, except if the Yowlet had to go to school there too) oohhh please don't give her any idea, Lee, giggling > > Granby's husband was a wonderful friend to me, and what she is telling you > > is sooo true, forget that him pushing himself in the chair was exercises [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > Yowie > (well, except if the Yowlet had to go to school there too) Yowie, I am an albino which means my hair is naturally very white. When my husband died it was down to my butt. He liked it that way so I always wore it so. Well, I had more migrans than the average person until I got it cut. Took me four cuts to ge it where I wanted. Then the coloring began. Have had four different colors and am now stawberry blonde. My skin is light enough that all I have to do is change make up to go with the hair and it isn't bad. Lee, I bought a leather jacket st sams a month or so ago. Folks, don't let her kid you she is my best friend and best backer, for serious or fun. She would love for me to go to one of our meeting in Springfield with the state dressed as you described. NOT GONNA HAPPEN. Besides am too short an "fluffy" to carry it offf!!! > oohhh please don't give her any idea, Lee, giggling >> > Granby's husband was a wonderful friend to me, and what she is telling [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] >> Yowie >> (well, except if the Yowlet had to go to school there too) the sound you here is Gramby clucking like a chicken, it would be a total hoot to see the reaction of our work associates of the transformation of the hardworking ladylike totally civilized gramby into biker/dominatrix mamma, I think she should get a couple of wash off tattoos also but DH doesn't like that one, Lee > Yowie, I am an albino which means my hair is naturally very white. When my > husband died it was down to my butt. He liked it that way so I always wore [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > >> Yowie > >> (well, except if the Yowlet had to go to school there too) > Yowie, I am an albino which means my hair is naturally very white. When > my husband died it was down to my butt. He liked it that way so I always [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > meeting in Springfield with the state dressed as you described. NOT GONNA > HAPPEN. Besides am too short an "fluffy" to carry it offf!!! With white hair, you can have any colour you want - flourescent magenta, electric blue, bileous green, mysterious violet, zebra stripes, whatever. The leather jacket is a good start... now you need a Harley :-) Yowie Don't say Harley in this family. My son has a Victory and is a cool bike. He just needs a side car so I can ride. A trike would be better. The colors you mentioned are, uummm well...NOT GONNA HAPPEN...I don't think. >> Yowie, I am an albino which means my hair is naturally very white. When >> my husband died it was down to my butt. He liked it that way so I always [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Yowie brock, brock, brock, Lee > Don't say Harley in this family. My son has a Victory and is a cool bike. > He just needs a side car so I can ride. A trike would be better. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > > > Yowie I think she should do a blue and white zebra but she won't listen to me, Lee > > Yowie, I am an albino which means my hair is naturally very white. When > > my husband died it was down to my butt. He liked it that way so I always [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Yowie Actually, the kids have to take the bus to go to school and, the school there is very kids oriented. Most of these people don't have small kids, about 25 houses and most of their families are grown. The picture you paint would really be worth aq thousand words. Neighbors are convinced Scooter is "mean". When she is out all I have to do is clap my hands and she will come. They think she if so well trained they won't mess with her. >> Granby's husband was a wonderful friend to me, and what she is telling >> you [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Yowie > (well, except if the Yowlet had to go to school there too) > You wouldn't miss one if you lived there these days. What people don't know > about you they make up. Since my husband died and it has been over a year [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > shouldn't have been out in the hot sun! >> [quoted text muted] What law says you even have to? Old quote" "He travels fastest who travels alone." best wishes. MLB > You wouldn't miss one if you lived there these days. What people don't > know about you they make up. Since my husband died and it has been [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > when he got the electric chair, he shouldn't have been out in the hot > sun! My company services many teeny towns. One is only 48 people. I have found there are *distinct* "town personalities". Some are as you describe, others are truly old fashioned and friendlier. But they all definitely know all the scuttlebutt. > ok we have another kitten that showed up a couple of weeks back, beautiful > white long haired Siamese mix, she is a true looker and a total and [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > Lee Well, you are in effect asking two questions here, what is the "moral" thing to do, and what I would do. I think the thing to do that satisfies most ethical standards would be to tell the people you have the kitten, and ask them if they would like you to rehome her, and then stand firm and take all the crap they dish out. But knowing that would be the most moral thing to do, I still would not do that. I am not a hero, and I don't think the situation calls for heroism. You just want to save this precious little kitten. I would not talk to them. I would quietly (as possible) rehome the kitten. thank you, Lee > > ok we have another kitten that showed up a couple of weeks back, beautiful > > white long haired Siamese mix, she is a true looker and a total and [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > just want to save this precious little kitten. I would not talk to them. I > would quietly (as possible) rehome the kitten. >> [quoted text muted] > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > just want to save this precious little kitten. I would not talk to them. I > would quietly (as possible) rehome the kitten. I second the motion. All in favor, raise your hand! MLB thanks, I didn't need groceries this month anyway, off to ted on Tuesday, Lee > >> [quoted text muted] > > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > I second the motion. All in favor, raise your hand! MLB >>> [quoted text muted] >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > I second the motion. All in favor, raise your hand! MLB \\// oo I duzent no howta drawz a paw on diz fing! O.T. in fafor of whatz iz bestez for da kitty. I kumed from a plaze where da flez nearly atted myhownself up. I had dem wormz and I was starfin, don take da kitty bak dere Auntie Soft. PLEEZE. I am not giving her to those people, she deserves better, anti soft > >>> [quoted text muted] > >> [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > myhownself up. I had dem wormz and I was starfin, don take da kitty bak > dere Auntie Soft. PLEEZE. > Well, you are in effect asking two questions here, what is the "moral" > thing to do, and what I would do. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > You just want to save this precious little kitten. I would not talk to > them. I would quietly (as possible) rehome the kitten. I agree with all of the above. Tweed thanks Lee > > Well, you are in effect asking two questions here, what is the "moral" > > thing to do, and what I would do. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Tweed I've considered this again. To be really ethical, now you know where the cat has come from, maybe you should ask them if they want their cat rehomed. I would hate it if Boyfriend was snatched up from another yard as he does wander a few houses away and rehomed without my knowledge. Not much chance of him being caught though since he disappears at the speed of light if he sees anyone he doesn't know, but you get my drift. I am not sure if it's okay to "disappear" their cat without telling them where it has gone. There are homes and *homes* Some are brilliant like we all want for our kitties. Some are adequate. For a lot of cats in foreign countries adequate is more than they hope for. Tweed > thanks Lee >> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >> >> Tweed this is my only concern, but you know as I continue to consider, and we have had her indoors for 3 days now, I am finding that the real issue is what is best for the cat, and these people frighten me just a bit so I think, ethical or not, I am not going to contact them, thanks for your thoughts, Lee > I've considered this again. To be really ethical, now you know where the > cat has come from, maybe you should ask them if they want their cat rehomed. [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > >> > >> Tweed > Well, you are in effect asking two questions here, what is the "moral" thing > to do, and what I would do. > I think the thing to do that satisfies most ethical standards would be to > tell the people you have the kitten, and ask them if they would like you to [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > just want to save this precious little kitten. I would not talk to them. I > would quietly (as possible) rehome the kitten. I think the highest ethical question here is, what is good for the kitten? In which case, the decision is clear: protect her from the nasty dog and its stupid people. I guess keeping her isn't an option? She sounds adorable. Joyce she is adorable, soft, purrs, gentle and a complete lap fungus, and no keeping her really isn't an option. we have 1 that is 14 years old and 2 that are 9, the oldest one got stressed at the last two fostering and started over grooming to the point he had to get a steroid shot. the medical bills of older cats, Tiger's stress are all factors, and if everyone stayed healthy daily care wouldn't be a money issue but we are trying to be as practical as possible. she is very sweet and deserves a great home, she does seem amenable to other cats but still tries to hide when she sees a dog, Lee > > Well, you are in effect asking two questions here, what is the "moral" thing > > to do, and what I would do. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Joyce > she is adorable, soft, purrs, gentle and a complete lap fungus, I'm coming late to this, Lee, but we are sending purrs that you find the best solution and onetruehome for this little cutie. SignatureMarina, Miranda and Caliban. In loving memory of Frank and Nikki. thanks, read the next 2 posts the purrs worked, Lee > > she is adorable, soft, purrs, gentle and a complete lap fungus, > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > -- > Marina, Miranda and Caliban. In loving memory of Frank and Nikki. > ok we have another kitten that showed up a couple of weeks back, beautiful > white long haired Siamese mix, she is a true looker and a total and [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > Lee This is one occasion when I think the moral thing to do is *not* to contact the people who may "own" this kitten. In effect, they are abusing it by not taking care of it, and they are placing it in a position of jeopardy if you described the situation with the dog correctly. It sounds like they may be violating a village ordinance by letting the dog roam (although that part is not clear from your message -- I'm inferring it from your comment about the older dog that ran loose). It would be ideal if you could keep it indoors because it sounds like you already have a lovefest going, but you would be risking the possibility that these people would learn where the cat is. So, I think the best option for little Jo is to find a home for her at some distance away where the neighbors are not likely to see and recognize her. This is my answer to your moral dilemma -- but may not be the same as an answer to a "legal" question since the flea collar shows that the cat has an "owner" and someone identified that family for you. MaryL thank you, they are violating a village ordinance by letting their dog run lose, and it sucks because the next door's dog is a very pleasant one who never got far out of the yard, and I don't think I have ever heard it bark, and our bedroom is on the side of the house where this dog is, next door is considering filing a complaint to make them keep the big dog up. I know if we go ahead with vet, which we will, she has to be rehomed, so it will be out of our town, thanks again, Lee > > ok we have another kitten that showed up a couple of weeks back, beautiful > > white long haired Siamese mix, she is a true looker and a total and [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] > > MaryL > ok we have another kitten that showed up a couple of weeks back, beautiful > white long haired Siamese mix, she is a true looker and a total and complete [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > what. no one from their house has knocked on the door or asked about Jo at > the post office, and there are no flyers or posters anywhere. This moral question is completely binary, in my opinion. If cats are property, or simply property, I would take the kitten to the people and explain my position and do as they wish, no matter how hard that may be. If cats are more than property then I would re-home the kitty. I believe that cats can be loosely treated as property in many situations where it does not harm the interests of the cat. However, I believe cats to be more than property and I think the moral thing to do is re-home the cat. I feel the same way about d*gs and horses and other animals that are kept as companions. Although it is very hard to conceal a horse that one is re-homing. Will in New Haven -- "Phil's last book was called _Play Poker like the Pros_ his next book should be called _Cry Like a Baby_" Norm Chad > Lee On 7 Oct, 09:06, Will in New Haven <bill.re...@taylorandfrancis.com> wrote: . Although it is very hard to conceal a horse that > one is re-homing. I do so hope you are not speaking from experience there! Lesley Slave of the Fabulous Furballs > On 7 Oct, 09:06, Will in New Haven <bill.re...@taylorandfrancis.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Lesley I was kinda sorta hoping he was! Jo > On 7 Oct, 09:06, Will in New Haven <bill.re...@taylorandfrancis.com> > wrote: > > . Although it is very hard to conceal a horse that> one is re-homing. > > I do so hope you are not speaking from experience there! An uncle of mine many years ago claimed that he had taken to "re- homing" horses in Colorado during a cold streak at the poker tables. He was better-known for telling tall tales than for actual criminal activity but who knows. Will in New Haven -- "I have seen the David, seen the Mona Lisa too And I have heard Doc Watson play Columbus Stockade Blues" Guy Clark - "Dublin Blues" > Lesley > > Slave of the Fabulous Furballs LOLL, I agree they are much more than property, if a cat is just property then love is also just property, thanks, Lee > > ok we have another kitten that showed up a couple of weeks back, beautiful > > white long haired Siamese mix, she is a true looker and a total and complete [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > > > Lee My town is about the size of where Lee lives and, we had a calf wonder into town and we all helped build a fence in the neighbors back yard. It took two weeks, newspaper ads and a radio spot for someone to claim the thing. In the meantime, we took turns bottle feeding and all tha sort of thing. When the man came to claim it, he tried to file charges against the people because they kept it confined! Judge threw him out of court and gave the calf to some sort of rescue deal and it turned out to be a 4-H project for some kids in housing. >> ok we have another kitten that showed up a couple of weeks back, >> beautiful [quoted text clipped - 60 lines] > >> Lee > My town is about the size of where Lee lives and, we had a calf wonder into > town and we all helped build a fence in the neighbors back yard. It took > two weeks, newspaper ads and a radio spot for someone to claim the thing. >From time to time we see adds in the paper for missing or lost horses, cows, goats...one time a llama. Not uncommon. PatM > ok we have another kitten that showed up a couple of weeks back, beautiful > white long haired Siamese mix, she is a true looker and a total and [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > Lee Normally, I'd return the cat if I thought the neighbors cared about it at all. I try not to judge how others take care of their kids or their pets short of abuse. Or if they didn't care, and I wanted to, I'd keep her. However, there are down sides to either keeping her or giving her back. Give her back, something awful happens to her and you either see it happen or know about it, because you live right there. Keep her and get more and more attached only to have them take her away. (We have a neighbor decide weeks after they moved to come back for the cat they totally neglected while they lived here. By then he had pretty much moved in and was our cats bestest friend) So rehoming elsewhere looks like the safest option, both for her and for you. Jo thanks, we can't keep her so its rehome or give back, and I am certain at a minim neglect is present, Lee > > ok we have another kitten that showed up a couple of weeks back, beautiful > > white long haired Siamese mix, she is a true looker and a total and [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > > Jo Personally, I'd rehome the kitten -- doesn't sound like the owners are very responsible nor do they seem to be exerting themselves to locate it....and I have to say I'd think of the cat's welfare over the owners'. Christine > ok we have another kitten that showed up a couple of weeks back, beautiful > white long haired Siamese mix, she is a true looker and a total and [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > Lee thank you, Lee > Personally, I'd rehome the kitten -- doesn't sound like the owners are very > responsible nor do they seem to be exerting themselves to locate it....and I [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > > > > Lee > ok we have another kitten that showed up a couple of weeks back, beautiful > white long haired Siamese mix, she is a true looker and a total and [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > at > the post office, and there are no flyers or posters anywhere. If you can't take Jo yourself, then you can take the wee beastie to a shelter without any need for guilt. This is the correct thing to do with cats that don't seem to have a home, regardless of whether they are 'owned' or not. If the owner was responsible, she'd have a chip, and that would be found at the shelter. If not, then its on the owner's shoulder to notice she's not around, to put up flyers, and to contact local shelters to retrieve their stray cat, with the fine that would go with not being chipped and/or roaming around on other's property anyway. You could then easily adopt her from that same shelter perfectly legally, and any previous 'owners' would not have a leg to stand on. If you decide to keep her without adopting her from the shelter you took her to, then I think you have a moral duty to have her scanned for a chip, and contact the owner if she has one, and perhaps put up a couple of notices 'found cat' without giving much of a description for a week. If the owners are fretting, they'll be desperate to talk to anyone who has found any cat and call you as soon as they see it and you should know from the tone of their voice whether they are genuine or not. Give it a week, and then assume that she's yours, take down the fliers and get her chipped, neutered etc etc. If someone tries to claim her after that, then they will have to re-imburse you your costs *if* they can prove its their cat (which they won't, because its your chip, not theirs), and quite frankly if they are that slack as to have not noticed their cat missing for over a week, I doubt very much they'd be willing to pay you for your costs. Yowie thanks, she will get scanned on Tuesday, the vet we go to always scans strays as a part of the initial exam. She says it stops lots of problems and she always notes in the file, she also always documents current condition of said stray as well as noting what the client says like, "kitten has been with X foa two weeks... has received 3 flea baths, there is evidence of long term fleas... thanks for your input, Lee > > ok we have another kitten that showed up a couple of weeks back, beautiful > > white long haired Siamese mix, she is a true looker and a total and [quoted text clipped - 58 lines] > > Yowie > ok we have another kitten that showed up a couple of weeks back, beautiful > white long haired Siamese mix, she is a true looker and a total and complete [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > Lee Well, they haven't even come looking for her when she doesn't come home for the night. How much of "their" cat can she be? good point, part of why we left this stupid flea collar on her was we were hoping if someone saw her they would realize it was their cat, thanks, Lee > > ok we have another kitten that showed up a couple of weeks back, beautiful > > white long haired Siamese mix, she is a true looker and a total and complete [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > Well, they haven't even come looking for her when she doesn't come home > for the night. How much of "their" cat can she be? Well, if it were me, after reading the OP I'd probaby get out the spare collar I keep. It has a tag with my phone number, asking for any owner to give me a call if this is their cat. I've used the collar several times in the past and had people call. I get most of the cats in the neighborhood here on my patio at one time or another, as I put out food for them. Just sort of puts my mind to rest when I find that the cat actually has a home. Finding the cat already has a home hasn't always worked. I still regret not going ahead and rehoming one cat after I found out it belonged to a neighbor across the street. He was an intact, big b&w tuxedo that I called Black Tom and he spent more time here than at his "home". He was later killed when hit by a car. OTOH, later in the thread you mention it looks thin. IMHO if she's wearing a flea collar she should also have a collar and tags. Both Little Bit and Spot were regulars at the patio food bowl. Both were skinny, pregant or already had kittens when I adopted them, and I never looked for their previous home - just brought them. Sooo, I'd just go ahead and rehome Jo. > ok we have another kitten that showed up a couple of weeks back, beautiful > white long haired Siamese mix, she is a true looker and a total and complete [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > Lee thanks, Lee > Well, if it were me, after reading the OP I'd probaby get out the > spare collar I keep. It has a tag with my phone number, asking for any [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > > > > Lee The fact of the little one having a flea collar doesn't necessarily indicate that she's being loved by a human family. And the fact that she was out so often at such an early age, and so skinny when you first saw her, argues strongly that she was at best being neglected. I'd say that rehoming her would a kind, compassionate, honorable action. Dan thanks, Lee, who KNOWS for a fact you put your money where your mouth is > The fact of the little one having a flea collar doesn't necessarily > indicate that she's being loved by a human family. And the fact that she [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Dan > thanks, Lee, who KNOWS for a fact you put your money where your mouth is Likewise you folks. And Harri Roadcat is VERY glad of that! |
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