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GaDragonfly - 29 Sep 2007 02:05 GMT
I know that it is common practice to notch the ear of a TNR cat but
I'm not sure what the notch looks like.  Barnabus has a very small V-
shaped notch in his right ear.  As most of you know he was a stray
that we took in and he was neutered when we found him.  He never
appeared to be feral, though.  I always thought he had been adopted
around Christmas and because he is somewhat over enthusiastic (he will
scratch and bite when over stimulated) that he had been put outside by
a neighbor and found his way to our yard.  Is it common for a shelter
to notch a cat when they're altered and put into population for
adoption? How big is the notch? Not that it really matters but I've
wondered if that is what I'm seeing on his ear.

Julie
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 29 Sep 2007 02:33 GMT
> I know that it is common practice to notch the ear of a TNR cat but
> I'm not sure what the notch looks like.  Barnabus has a very small V-
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> adoption? How big is the notch? Not that it really matters but I've
> wondered if that is what I'm seeing on his ear.

Different groups might notch the ear differently. Friends of mine
adopted a former feral cat who used to live in a colony. He was TNR'ed
and they notched his ear by cutting off the entire point (maybe about
1/3 of an inch in depth). So the top part of his ear is flat.

They named him "Van Gogh", by the way. :)

Joyce
GaDragonfly - 29 Sep 2007 03:14 GMT
On Sep 28, 9:33 pm, jXwXeXrXmXoX...@sonic.net wrote:

> Different groups might notch the ear differently. Friends of mine
> adopted a former feral cat who used to live in a colony. He was TNR'ed
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Joyce

What a perfect name. Barnabus' notch isn't at all that noticeable
which I why I asked.  It would seem you'd want it to be large enough
to notice. I only notice Barnabus' when he is sleeping nearby. I
almost thought it was the way the hair was lying on his ear but it is
definitely v-shaped.

Julie
jofirey - 29 Sep 2007 02:57 GMT
>I know that it is common practice to notch the ear of a TNR cat but
> I'm not sure what the notch looks like.  Barnabus has a very small V-
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> Julie

I'm only guessing that when they round up strays they treat them all the
same.  Feral or lost would get altered first and notched, before they even
decided whether or not they were to be released or put up for adoption.

But I don't think notching is common around here in any case.

My wandering mind wonders if ferals that are rounded up to be altered and
released ever even go to the shelter.  Isn't feral colony management usually
done by private groups?

Jo

Jo
GaDragonfly - 29 Sep 2007 03:28 GMT
> I'm only guessing that when they round up strays they treat them all the
> same.  Feral or lost would get altered first and notched, before they even
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Jo

I wondered about the feral issue because I can't imagine that Barnabus
was ever feral, a stray or even kitten born in the shelter, but he
knew exactly what hoomans were all about when I first met him.  He
would come to me for pettings even before eating. I could pick him up
from day one.  Lacey, on the other hand, took nearly 2 months before
she would trust me enough to put two hands on her at the same time.
What am I saying? She still doesn't trust me to enough to put two
hands on her at the same time and she's been living with us for 4
years. <vbg>

Julie
Enfilade - 29 Sep 2007 04:18 GMT
I don't know about Smokey.  He wasn't neutered or notched when we got
him.

He was judged "unadoptable" by the humane society, he lived
exclusively on prey and garbage before my unit moved into the area,
and yet when people asked me how I'd "Trapped" him, I said "picked him
up & put him in a box...."...wasn't that hard either.  Smokey used to
let the chief warrant officer pick him up and then swat at his medals.

I think he had some contact with humans in his past, even if he was
living feral (diurnal, eating prey/trash, wary of people, allegedly
unadoptable) when I met him.  At any rate, he tamed up very quickly.

--Fil

> I wondered about the feral issue because I can't imagine that Barnabus
> was ever feral, a stray or even kitten born in the shelter, but he
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>
> Julie
GaDragonfly - 29 Sep 2007 05:01 GMT
> I don't know about Smokey.  He wasn't neutered or notched when we got
> him.
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>
> --Fil

Smokey sounds like Sam. He only wanted a home to call his own but he
lived in the neighborhood visiting bird buffets, he would get on the
roof of our house and look down on the bird feeders waiting for an
unaware dove to land on the roof. Sometimes I would see him and swear
he had mange other times he looked healthy. He always ran from me
until the day he decided he wanted to live with us. There was no
question he hadn't been neutered, you could see that from half a block
away.  Sam was, ummm, well endowed in that area.I suspect Sam sired
many of the cats that passed through our yard, possibly even Lacey.

Julie
Lesley - 29 Sep 2007 15:41 GMT
> I think he had some contact with humans in his past, even if he was
> living feral (diurnal, eating prey/trash, wary of people, allegedly
> unadoptable) when I met him.  At any rate, he tamed up very quickly.

He's not stupid then (sorry, Nox- please don't drop a lamp on me!)

I think when you went to put him in the box he had a Schroedinger
moment one where he stepped into two possible futures by going down
both legs of the trousers of time at once and saw one future where he
was on the couch, eating ham, having a good poke  and IN and one
future where he was cold, wet and hungry and OUT

It wouldn't have taken him a nanosecond to make up his mind

Lesley

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Karen - 29 Sep 2007 04:37 GMT
> I know that it is common practice to notch the ear of a TNR cat but
> I'm not sure what the notch looks like.  Barnabus has a very small V-
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> Julie

All of them I have ever seen take the tip off so there is a flat topped ear.
GaDragonfly - 29 Sep 2007 04:54 GMT
> All of them I have ever seen take the tip off so there is a flat topped ear.

hmmm, maybe Louie the Crab escaped the seafood market and he peenched
a V out of Barnabus' ear :D
Julie
Adrian A - 29 Sep 2007 10:58 GMT
> I know that it is common practice to notch the ear of a TNR cat but
> I'm not sure what the notch looks like.  Barnabus has a very small V-
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> Julie

I would think a notch in the ear is more likely to be caused by fighting
with other cats. All the TNR cats I've seen have the top of one ear cut off
so it's flat. Shadow, the semi feral that I feed and had neautered has a
couple of notches in his ear from fights.
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Chris Havlicek - 29 Sep 2007 15:10 GMT
Hi Julie -

Most of the groups around here that deal with ferals trim
the tip of the cats ear, just about 1/4 inch or so.  It's
pretty obvious once you've seen it.  What side they trim
tends to depend on what side they can get to while the
cat is under for neutering/spaying.  It makes the top of
the ear noticeably flat.

The v notch in Barnabus's ear is most likely from a
sparring match.  Tripper has one that he got from
his brother when he was still a kitten, and previous
furry owners have gotten them over the years thanks to
arguments with each other and with neighbors.

I have seen some colony cats make their way in to
adoptions.  One big old ex-tom cat was at an adoption
a few weeks ago, and had the trimmed ear tip, but he
was soaking up the attention...drooling, blinking, purring.
Didn't get a chance to read his card, but he wasn't there
later, so hopefully.....

Purrs-

Chris, The Fairfax Fur Factory, and Oreo the no longer stray
> I know that it is common practice to notch the ear of a TNR cat but
> I'm not sure what the notch looks like.  Barnabus has a very small V-
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> Julie
MaryL - 29 Sep 2007 17:14 GMT
>I know that it is common practice to notch the ear of a TNR cat but
> I'm not sure what the notch looks like.  Barnabus has a very small V-
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> Julie

Julie,

I forwarded your question to the president of our local Alley Cat Allies.
They foster kittens and young cats that can be socialized and then put them
up for adoption.  They emphasize TNR for older cats and true "ferals," and
they maintain feeding stations around town for colonies of ferals.  They
also "pull" cats and kittens from the animal shelter when they have foster
parents for them, and thereby help to adopt out still more furbabies.

Here is the reply I received in response to your question:  "Actually
shelters are now using microchips to identify pets. My guess is that the cat
was in a fight and the ear was ripped? Most ear tips are flat across the ear
so that it is easily recognizable for the caretaker of the colony."

Adding to that:  I adopted Duffy from a shelter, and his ear is not tipped.

MaryL

Photos of Duffy and Holly:      >'o'<
Duffy:  http://tinyurl.com/cslwf
Holly:  http://tinyurl.com/9t68o
Duffy and Holly together:  http://tinyurl.com/8b47e
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 29 Sep 2007 19:52 GMT
> I know that it is common practice to notch the ear of a TNR cat but
> I'm not sure what the notch looks like.  Barnabus has a very small V-
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> adoption? How big is the notch? Not that it really matters but I've
> wondered if that is what I'm seeing on his ear.

Depends upon how long he was wandering BEFORE being
neutered!  My Patches, who'd been a wandering intact tom for
about three years had a very large "notch" on one ear - the
result of one of many fights, I know, because it was
slightly infected when he first adopted me, but was already
nearly healed so the vet said it wasn't worth worrying about.

> Julie
GaDragonfly - 30 Sep 2007 02:30 GMT
Well, that makes sense. He and Lacey are always playing rough and more
than once I've seen Lacey with a scratch across her nose.  It would
stand to reason that she's caught a claw in his ear and ripped it.
He'll jump on her and tumble her over and over and the chase begins.
It ends abruptly when Lacey gets mad and starts growling and hissing.
If DH is here she'll cry and yowl and he puts a stop to the fight.
Thanks for all of the replies.

Julie
Marina - 30 Sep 2007 05:35 GMT
> Well, that makes sense. He and Lacey are always playing rough and more
> than once I've seen Lacey with a scratch across her nose.  It would
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> If DH is here she'll cry and yowl and he puts a stop to the fight.
> Thanks for all of the replies.

Back when Frank and Nikki were my masters, I came home from work one day
and found Nikki with a notch in her ear and a little blood clotted
around it. Having seen the effects of a cat tiff before, I didn't worry,
just gently cleaned away the blood. But I was surprised that Frank would
have done such a thing. He was usually so gentle with everyone. Maybe
Nikki had aggravated him too much. When they wrestled, it was always
Frank who ended up crying for help, though Nikki was half his size.

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Jack Campin - bogus address - 30 Sep 2007 12:31 GMT
> I know that it is common practice to notch the ear of a TNR cat but
> I'm not sure what the notch looks like.  Barnabus has a very small V-
> shaped notch in his right ear.

What does TNR mean?

I've only seen ear marking in Rhodes - there is an eneormous feral
cat population there, and the locals shoot almost all of them at
the end of the tourist season.  The ones with the tip of an ear cut
off are spared.  There is a local campaign for more responsible
and humane treatment of the cats: see
http://www.siamese.mundikat.nl/subweb/siamese/rhodos/index.htm
When I was there the campaigner I spoke to (at the same display
pictured on that page) was a local Greek woman, so it isn't just
a concern of British ex-pats.

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Adrian A - 30 Sep 2007 13:01 GMT
> What does TNR mean?

Trap, Neuter, Release. If a colony is wiped out very soon more cats will
take their place, so TNR is by far the most humane way to deal with ferals.
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EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 30 Sep 2007 23:11 GMT
>>I know that it is common practice to notch the ear of a TNR cat but
>>I'm not sure what the notch looks like.  Barnabus has a very small V-
>>shaped notch in his right ear.
>
> What does TNR mean?

My guess would be "trap-neuter-release".

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