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jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 25 Sep 2007 20:17 GMT
Last night when I got home, I picked up Smudge and felt an odd
lump on her underside. It's the size of a very large grape, and
about the same shape as a grape. It feels like a swollen gland
or something like that. It's possibly near her front nipple, or
it's in her "underarm", under her front leg. It moves around under
her skin, so I can tell it's not a swollen skin wound. (Also,
there's no blood or any sign of an obvious injury.) The lump is
firm, but not hard as a rock. When I gave it a gentle squeeze, she
didn't react much or cry out, so I don't think it's very painful.
She did struggle and act annoyed, but that might have been just
because she doesn't like being handled, or maybe it's a bit
uncomfortable.

She seems normal in most ways - eating, active, wanting to go in
and out, alert, affectionate (but not unusually so), and grooming
herself. The only thing I've noticed is that her walk is a little
funny - seems like she might be trying not to press on the lump
with her front leg as she walks.

Anyway, **I have made a vet appointment for her**, so no yelling
at me about "using this newsgroup as a vet". :) I just thought I'd
ask you folks if you've ever seen something like this, and what
your experiences are with this kind of thing.

Thanks,
Joyce
jmcquown - 25 Sep 2007 20:20 GMT
> Last night when I got home, I picked up Smudge and felt an odd
> lump on her underside. It's the size of a very large grape, and
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> Thanks,
> Joyce

Could be a subcutaneous cyst.  Nothing at all to worry about.  The vet will
let you know.  Meanwhile, purrs are on the way for Smudge and for your
nerves.

Jill
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 25 Sep 2007 20:46 GMT
> Could be a subcutaneous cyst.  Nothing at all to worry about.  The vet will
> let you know.  Meanwhile, purrs are on the way for Smudge and for your
> nerves.

Thanks! I've been trying to come up with an explanation for it that
isn't scary. (Tumor? Abcess? ugh...) Of course I am still going to
have her examined, but at least now I don't have to think it absolutely
must be something terrible.

The vet appointment isn't until Saturday. They didn't think it sounded
like an emergency that had to be seen immediately, unless she starts
to act like she's in a lot of pain, in which case I was to call and
bring her in right away, as that might indicate an abcess. So I'll be
watching her carefully in the meantime.

Joyce
Phoenix - 25 Sep 2007 20:46 GMT
> Last night when I got home, I picked up Smudge and felt an odd
> lump on her underside. It's the size of a very large grape, and
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> firm, but not hard as a rock. When I gave it a gentle squeeze, she
> didn't react much or cry out, so I don't think it's very painful.

Sounds like a lipoma (a fatty cyst). Louie (RB) used to get bunches of
them. They are painless (generally), benign and nothing to worry about.

Deborah
slave to the current masters: Fearless Fosdick, Princess, Smokey,
Cinder, Jezebel, Miss-Bitty-Kitty-Who-Isn't-Bitty-Anymore, Shane and
Miss Emma.
Lesley - 25 Sep 2007 21:00 GMT
On 25 Sep, 12:17, jXwXeXrXmXoX...@sonic.net wrote:
> Last night when I got home, I picked up Smudge and felt an odd
> lump on her underside. It's the size of a very large grape, and
> about the same shape as a grape. It feels like a swollen gland
> or something like that. It's possibly near her front nipple, or
> it's in her "underarm", under her front leg.

Sounds like a lipoma but sending purrs that it is

Lesley

Slave of the Fabulous Furballs
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 26 Sep 2007 02:12 GMT
> Last night when I got home, I picked up Smudge and felt an odd
> lump on her underside. It's the size of a very large grape, and
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> ask you folks if you've ever seen something like this, and what
> your experiences are with this kind of thing.

Sorry, I don't think my single experience qualifies.  When I
lived in Pasadena, Miu (my flame-point Siamese look-alike)
developed a lump under the skin on his ear, which behaved as
you describe.  After removing the lump, the vet showed it to
me - a BB-shot from the little boy next-door engaging in
target practice out their back window!  (I had words with
his parents, and the BB-gun was confiscated until he could
use it responsibly.)  I do hope Smudge's problem proves to
be something equally innocuous.
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 26 Sep 2007 03:05 GMT
> Sorry, I don't think my single experience qualifies.  When I
> lived in Pasadena, Miu (my flame-point Siamese look-alike)
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> use it responsibly.)  I do hope Smudge's problem proves to
> be something equally innocuous.

Equally innocuous? I wouldn't call shooting a cat with a BB gun
innocuous. Poor Miu! I'm glad the boy's parents were responsible
about it.

I certainly hope Smudge hasn't been shot with a BB gun. There aren't
many kids of the age where kids would use one, in my neighborhood.
Mostly the area has young families with toddlers, or old people, or
single people living in apartments. I don't see many teenagers or
even older kids. Still, that doesn't mean it can't happen, but I hope
not.

Joyce
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 26 Sep 2007 18:09 GMT
>  > Sorry, I don't think my single experience qualifies.  When I
>  > lived in Pasadena, Miu (my flame-point Siamese look-alike)
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> innocuous. Poor Miu! I'm glad the boy's parents were responsible
> about it.

I guess I should have said "non-life-threatening" - I'm not
sure how much penetrating power a BB-gun has, but it could
certainly have been a lot worse.  (Compared to what COULD
have happened, a lump on the ear seemed pretty harmless.)
BTW, the boy's parents didn't even know he was doing it - he
was using his own bedroom window when he was supposedly in
bed for the night.  (Kids can get up to a lot of mischief,
with even the most caring parents remaining ignorant of it.)
Daniel Mahoney - 26 Sep 2007 18:20 GMT
> I guess I should have said "non-life-threatening" - I'm not
> sure how much penetrating power a BB-gun has, but it could
> certainly have been a lot worse.  (Compared to what COULD
> have happened, a lump on the ear seemed pretty harmless.)

Depending on the BB-gun, it could be life threatening. While your
run-of-the-mill K-Mart special is pretty low powered, you can buy BB guns
with muzzle velocities faster than 1000 feet per second. That's
enough to cause serious injury to a cat.
Daniel Mahoney - 26 Sep 2007 19:38 GMT
>> [quoted text muted]
>
> Depending on the BB-gun, it could be life threatening. While your
> run-of-the-mill K-Mart special is pretty low powered, you can buy BB guns
> with muzzle velocities faster than 1000 feet per second. That's
> enough to cause serious injury to a cat.

I should point out, I don't mean this in relation to Smudge's injury. It
does sound like a lipoma or some other sort of non-life-threatening
condition.

I was just pointing out for future reference that some BB-guns are indeed
serious weapons, and assuming that a youngster shooting one at a cat
wouldn't be capable of causing life-threatening injuries could be a
mistake.
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 26 Sep 2007 18:50 GMT
>> Equally innocuous? I wouldn't call shooting a cat with a BB gun
>> innocuous. Poor Miu!

> I guess I should have said "non-life-threatening" - I'm not
> sure how much penetrating power a BB-gun has, but it could
> certainly have been a lot worse.  (Compared to what COULD
> have happened, a lump on the ear seemed pretty harmless.)

But painful! Probably scared him, too. Plus, I don't like to think
that this was caused by someone's carelessness (at best) or cruelty.

Joyce
Jack Campin - bogus address - 27 Sep 2007 00:33 GMT
>> After removing the lump, the vet showed it to me - a BB-shot
>> from the little boy next-door engaging in target practice out
>> their back window!

Our vet thought Muriel's lump was an encapsulated airgun pellet
at first - turned out to be cancerous, but that seems to show
that airgun wounds are actually more common.

>> (I had words with his parents, and the BB-gun was confiscated
>> until he could use it responsibly.)

I would have thought sawing the thing up in front of him and making
it damn clear he would never, ever get another lethal weapon was
more appropriate.

> I wouldn't call shooting a cat with a BB gun innocuous.

Somebody killed a child with one in Scotland a year or two ago,
and serious injuries are pretty common.  There is now legislation
in the Scottish Parliament pipeline to ban most private ownership
of them.

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Karen - 26 Sep 2007 03:01 GMT
> Last night when I got home, I picked up Smudge and felt an odd
> lump on her underside. It's the size of a very large grape, and
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
> Thanks,
> Joyce

Could just be a fatty cyst. Let's hope that is what it is. They usually are.
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 26 Sep 2007 05:17 GMT
> Could just be a fatty cyst. Let's hope that is what it is. They
> usually are.

Several people have suggested this. To those of you whose cats have this,
what did you do about it? Did it have to be removed, or could you just
leave it alone? Is it something that needs to be watched carefully, such
as one does with fibroids and other cysts?

Is this an age thing? A female-cat thing? Smudge is 10.

While she was eating tonight, I checked it again, and again, I gave
it a little squeeze. She didn't even slow down her eating one bit. So
it can't be very painful!

Thanks for the well-wishes and purrs, everyone.

Joyce
Kreisleriana - 26 Sep 2007 15:15 GMT
> > Could just be a fatty cyst. Let's hope that is what it is. They
> > usually are.
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> it a little squeeze. She didn't even slow down her eating one bit. So
> it can't be very painful!

Just one thing, Joyce-- DON'T squeeze it until you get a diagnosis.  You
still don't know what it is, so you don't know what consequence disturbing
it can have.  You don't know if it's an infection that can spread or
something like that.  So for the time being, hands off.
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 26 Sep 2007 18:51 GMT
>> While she was eating tonight, I checked it again, and again, I gave
>> it a little squeeze. She didn't even slow down her eating one bit. So
>> it can't be very painful!

> Just one thing, Joyce-- DON'T squeeze it until you get a diagnosis.  You
> still don't know what it is, so you don't know what consequence disturbing
> it can have.  You don't know if it's an infection that can spread or
> something like that.  So for the time being, hands off.

Good point. But rest assured, this was a very gentle squeeze. I also
don't want to disturb it or cause her a lot of pain. I just wanted to
make sure it wasn't bothering her a lot.

Joyce
Karen - 27 Sep 2007 04:10 GMT
>  > Could just be a fatty cyst. Let's hope that is what it is. They
>  > usually are.
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>
> Joyce

I think sometimes they reabsorb. I think usually they leave them alone
unless they think they need to be tested.
sam - 26 Sep 2007 03:36 GMT
> Last night when I got home, I picked up Smudge and felt an odd
> lump on her underside. It's the size of a very large grape, and
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> Thanks,
> Joyce
Purrs for a "nothing to worry about" report from the vet.  Give her a
skritch from me.

Sam, closely supervised by Mistletoe
Mischief - 26 Sep 2007 04:57 GMT
Making the appt was the right thing

best thing the vet can do is look at it.  It's if something simple, no
harm no foul.  At most he might do a Fine Needle Aspirate, which is to
take a needle and stick it into the lump and remove a few cells.  Then
he'll send it to a pathologist and he'll find out what it is in a few
days.

Purrs that it's something simple.

Kristi
Imp, Mischief and Mayhem
badwilson - 26 Sep 2007 13:11 GMT
I hope it's just one of those fatty cysts.  I would be worried too if I
found something like that on Vino.  Let us know what the vet says!
Purrs,
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> Last night when I got home, I picked up Smudge and felt an odd
> lump on her underside. It's the size of a very large grape, and
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
> Thanks,
> Joyce
Kreisleriana - 26 Sep 2007 15:12 GMT
> Last night when I got home, I picked up Smudge and felt an odd
> lump on her underside. It's the size of a very large grape, and
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
> Thanks,
> Joyce

Let's hope it's a fatty cyst, or lipoma, as others have mentioned.  Stinky
has had a static one for years, doesn't bother him in the least.
Marina - 27 Sep 2007 04:33 GMT
> Anyway, **I have made a vet appointment for her**, so no yelling
> at me about "using this newsgroup as a vet". :) I just thought I'd
> ask you folks if you've ever seen something like this, and what
> your experiences are with this kind of thing.

Purring for Smudge. Please let us know what the vet says. From other
people's posts, it sounds like it could be nothing to worry about, but
we'll be purring anyway.

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Marina, Miranda and Caliban. In loving memory of Frank and Nikki.

polonca12000 - 30 Sep 2007 20:02 GMT
> Last night when I got home, I picked up Smudge and felt an odd
> lump on her underside. <snip>
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> Thanks,
> Joyce

Lots and lots of purrs and best wishes that it is nothing to worry about,
Polonca and Soncek

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