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Sheelagh >o< - 18 Sep 2007 19:13 GMT
Hi Mary. I wonder if you could possibly advise me on something please?
I have a friend who works for the Cat Protection League, & we have
just found out that one of the cat's kitten's, that she is fostering,
has no sight. Initially she didn't pick up on it. the only thing that
was different about this kitten was that it cried more than most of
the others did.

Today, she took her down to the vet's surgery that she goes to, & she
was told that the kitten is actually blind, as we suspected :( she
doesn't have any pupil's- her eye's are just plain dark blue). It
occurred to me that she might be because although she has her eye's
open, she is unable to keep her eyes open all the time & often sleeps
with them half open. The vet called her condition blind, & has been
diagnosed as Microphthalmia. Apparently that means small eye's- but
they don''t look that small. Although we know that she is blind, we
don't know exactly how much she can see. Our test initially was to see
if she showed any reaction to putting a finger near her eye's & move
it slowly, but she didn't even blink! In fact you can see her sniffing
the air if she suspects there is something of interest near her.

She is unwilling to come out of mothers nest, & another thing that
worries me, is the fact that she is a totally white cat. I'm not sure
if this is true, but I'm' sure that I read somewhere that pure white
cats are prone to be deaf. Do you know if this is true? Either way,
there is no worries there- she can hear with no problems & turns her
head towards noises, & her ears twitch towards noise too.

This kitten is 3 weeks old now, & given that we only have certain
funds available to us, The League are not able to fund a trip for one
kitten to see a specialised vet, & her normal vet suggested putting
her to sleep, mainly because her mother has started attacking her!!!
This has never happened until yesterday. It is as though she is
shooing the kitten away from the litter....

(It is worth pointing out that we live not far from Cambridge where
there is a veterinary school, if that makes a difference?)

Since the vet trip for all of them, Gill has taken her away from her
mum & is now hand rearing her. Neither of us has the heart to put her
to sleep, but having said that, neither of us are in a position to
keep a blind cat- Or, even know how to find anyone that would be
willing to take her on.

How Hard is it to keep a blind cat, & what is the best way to search
for a speacial care adoptive mummy. Can you help us with some
information please  Mary? I need to be able to explain what care she
will need (providing we can find a speacial adoptive mum or Dad of
course!?), & I have no idea where to start. How hard is it to care for
a blind cat, & does it take someone speacial to care for one?

Yes, I have considered having her myself. My main concern is to my
established residents. I have a commitment to them first & foremost.
If I were to take her, I want to be sure that I am capable of caring
for her, that she will have a fairly good quality of life, & that I am
not prolonging her suffering.
I do get assistance with veterinary care, but I can't take on
something that is really beyond me.
Also, If we were to look for a new foster mummy or her- what do we
look for in a candidate.

Sheelagh >"o"<
Daniel Mahoney - 18 Sep 2007 19:19 GMT
> Yes, I have considered having her myself. My main concern is to my
> established residents. I have a commitment to them first & foremost.
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>
> Sheelagh >"o"<

Sheelagh, I know you were asking for help from Mary, but I hope you won't
mind someone else chiming in as well.

Several folks on RPCA have blind cats. As far as I've been able to tell
from their messages, the blind cats have not been lacking in quality of
life. We'll need to ask them about special care requirements, but I don't
think blindness in a kitten necessarily has to mean a death sentence or a
deprived life.

Dan
Granby - 18 Sep 2007 22:37 GMT
My PIglet, the PIglet that I am slave to is not blind but terribbllly  cross
eyed.  which causes her some of the same problems as blindness.  Blind cats,
as with blind people have one basic requirement, DON'T PLEASE MOVE THE
FURNITURE.  If you must, one thing at a time.  A neighbor has a blind cat,
from age, and she has no trouble finding her food or litter box.  If you
have other cats, one will probably turn into a seeing eye cat.  It really
isn't that much of a deal.
>> Yes, I have considered having her myself. My main concern is to my
>> established residents. I have a commitment to them first & foremost.
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>
> Dan
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 18 Sep 2007 23:46 GMT
> My PIglet, the PIglet that I am slave to is not blind but terribbllly  cross
> eyed.  which causes her some of the same problems as blindness.  Blind cats,
> as with blind people have one basic requirement, DON'T PLEASE MOVE THE
> FURNITURE.  If you must, one thing at a time.

LOL, my cats get flustered if things get moved around, and they all have
perfectly fine eyesight. :)  It's hard enough on a blind human if you
change stuff around, but with a cat you also have the "I DON'T LIKE
CHANGE" factor. :)

Joyce
Granby - 19 Sep 2007 02:04 GMT
My second kitty O. T. Mahoney  (O T standing for Orange Thing, which  is
what the girl I got him from called him.) doesn't even like you to move a
trash can.  He will do his best to move it back where it was.

However, he and Willow, the youngest Kitty have developed a new game.  I
have a witness to this or I wouldn't even try and tell it.

In the middle of the night, I was awakened, no easy task, by what sounded
like kids skate boarding.  In this town of 25 houses, there is no place for
that.

Anyway, the noise continued so I got up to investigate.  What I found nearly
caused me to have to call 911 because I laughed so hard I could hardly
breathe.

The square containers I get cat litter in, I also use to store cat food.
One was about half empty and sitting in the kitchen.  This floor is very
slick, that snap together wood floor stuff.  O.T. ran and jumped on the
container and slid it toward the stove.  There is a small lip that keeps
them from falling off.  Willow then would run from the sink, jump on the
container and then slide it back to where it started.

My son is trying to get pictures but they see the camera and won't do it.

> > My PIglet, the PIglet that I am slave to is not blind but terribbllly
> > cross
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>
> Joyce
Daniel Mahoney - 19 Sep 2007 14:08 GMT
> The square containers I get cat litter in, I also use to store cat food.
> One was about half empty and sitting in the kitchen.  This floor is very
> slick, that snap together wood floor stuff.  O.T. ran and jumped on the
> container and slid it toward the stove.  There is a small lip that keeps
> them from falling off.  Willow then would run from the sink, jump on the
> container and then slide it back to where it started.

That is amazing! It makes me wonder all the more about how anybody in his
right mind could do anything other than absolutely adore cats.

Dan
jofirey - 19 Sep 2007 17:33 GMT
>> The square containers I get cat litter in, I also use to store cat food.
>> One was about half empty and sitting in the kitchen.  This floor is very
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> Dan

I don't know.  We found out last night at a rather late bedtime already that
Jake had pee'd on out bed.  He really soaked it.  In a way I'm glad he got
the folded comforter too as at least the mattress is OK.  Or will be with
some Febreeze.

Strip bed of comforter, blanket, sheets and mattress pad.  Search house for
febreeze, we're out.  put on sheet and blanket.  Tell Charlie who likes his
bed made up properly  (Yes he usually does it himself) to suck it up, shut
up and go to sleep.  I'm not washing and drying the mattress pad at 1am and
I don't know where the extra top sheet disappeared to and really don't care
all that much.

Spending this morning doing lots of laundry, then off to store to restock
febreeze.  Back to restore bed, collect grandchild and take him to dentist,
back again to collect cat and take him to vet to check for uti.  And find
time to clean and refresh both liter boxed thoroughly.

I'm coming up a tad short on adore.  Love yes.  Adore, not so much right
now.

Jo
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 18 Sep 2007 21:51 GMT
> She is unwilling to come out of mothers nest, & another thing that
> worries me, is the fact that she is a totally white cat. I'm not sure
> if this is true, but I'm' sure that I read somewhere that pure white
> cats are prone to be deaf.

Only blue-eyed white males, and not always, although there
appears to be a genetic link.  (I've had several blue-eyed
white cats, including a couple of males with perfectly
adequate hearing.)
MaryL - 19 Sep 2007 02:33 GMT
> Hi Mary. I wonder if you could possibly advise me on something please?
> I have a friend who works for the Cat Protection League, & we have
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>
> Sheelagh >"o"<

Sheelagh,

Thank you so much for taking steps to help this little kitten.  There is
absolutely no reason to put a blind cat to sleep.  They can be just as
healthy, active and happy as a sighted cat.

I wrote a fairly lengthy message some time ago that describes my experiences
with Duffy and has some suggestions for taking care of a blind cat.  I will
be happy to email it to you and/or friend if you would like a copy.  If you
send email requesting it, I will forward it to you.  My email is:
stancole1@yahoo.com.

Pure white cats are sometimes deaf, as you indicated.  However, that would
be true from birth and is not something that is acquired -- so, it seems
that your kitten will not face that problem.

Duffy will also sniff the air, just as you described.  He seems to be able
to detect even very small movement that way (even insects, on occasion!!) --  
it's almost like he has built-in radar.

You indicated that it would be difficult to secure funds for specialized
veterinary care, but you also mentioned that you live near Cambridge.  I
would take her to a feline ophthalmologist at the veterinary school if that
is at all possible.  It may be that you will learn (just as I did with
Duffy) that your kitten is totally blind, but it is worth it to get an early
evaluation with correct diagnosis, just in case there is some limited vision
that could be preserved.

Duffy was an adult cat when I adopted him, and I do not have any experience
with kittens.  However, I do think it is wise that the kitten has been
removed from the mother under the circumstances you described.

Once again, thank you for helping this little baby!!

MaryL

Photos of Duffy and Holly:      >'o'<
Duffy:  http://tinyurl.com/cslwf
Holly:  http://tinyurl.com/9t68o
Duffy and Holly together:  http://tinyurl.com/8b47e
Granby - 19 Sep 2007 02:48 GMT
Wonder if they have tried a flashlight to see if the kitten responds to
light?  Just going into a dark room and then turning on a bright light could
give them some clue.

>> Hi Mary. I wonder if you could possibly advise me on something please?
>> I have a friend who works for the Cat Protection League, & we have
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> Holly:  http://tinyurl.com/9t68o
> Duffy and Holly together:  http://tinyurl.com/8b47e
Sheelagh >o< - 20 Sep 2007 19:02 GMT
On 19 Sep, 02:33, "MaryL" <stanco...@yahoo.comTAKE-OUT-THE-LITTER>
wrote:

> > Hi Mary. I wonder if you could possibly advise me on something please?
> > I have a friend who works for the Cat Protection League, & we have
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> - Show quoted text -

> Thank you so much for taking steps to help this little kitten.  There is
> absolutely no reason to put a blind cat to sleep.  They can be just as
> healthy, active and happy as a sighted cat.

There is no need. I'm sure that anyone would do the same if they ere
faced with the same problem. I immediately thought of you, because I
am aware that your little fellow Duffy has done so well since coming
to live with you.

Gosh! I had no idea that this would raise so many results & comments.
Thanks to all of you who had comments to make. They were all helpful.
I'm also sorry that it has taken me so long to get back to you too. I
have been trying to find out what help we could get, where from, &
what funds we can access, from where & who might be able to help her.
Since last posting, I have had two firm offers of financial
assistance. One from PDSA (people's dispensary for sick animals), &
also the RSPCA. It's not a huge amount- ?220 so far, but it all helps.
We are very grateful to both organisation. We are still waiting to
hear from the Blue cross. Perhaps we will have more news on that offer
after the weekend

I have also been in touch with Queens Veterinary School, in Cambridge
with regard to asking them if they would be prepared to look @ the
kitten too. I spoke with David Williams who lectures @ the small
animal hospital there on Opthamology. His main area is actually dogs,
but he has a colleague that is actually researching into cats with eye
problems, & I have just received a call to say that he would be able
to see her next Thursday. As you can imagine, I am delighted. I have
already explained the financial dilemma, & he is looking into funding
to help with the cost of any treatment that they might be able to
offer her. It is not certain that they will be able to help her, but @
least we will know exactly what is wrong, & get an idea of how bad her
sight is & how best to treat her even if they can't. He was hopeful
that the case could be used to help post graduates who are currently
doing research on Ophthalmic problems on cats. There is a possibility
that we might get a reduced cost scenario , as long as we agree to
allow them to study her as a case history. It would mean taking her
down to Cambridge once a month for 6 months, but that is a small price
to pay for the help that she needs.

Microphthalmia is the current diagnosis, but he informs me that it is
not unusual for a general practitioner vet to get a diagnosis wrong
sometimes, which is why we need a referral, so I went straight down to
tour surgery & asked the vet if he wouldn't mind giving us a referral
to him, & he has agreed to. Isn't it nice when things go right
sometimes?

Just for now, we have decided to call the kitten Miss Whiskers, rather
than call her "The kitten". It seems so impersonal, & it was the best
that we could come up with @ the time. Miss Whiskers is called that
because her whiskers always seem to be twitching, even when she is
asleep!

Miss Whiskers has been removed from the litter & is now being hand
reared. We are sharing the responsibility & care of her, because this
is new territory for both of us. Having said that, the kittens are now
on the move, so when the litter come out of the box, we do allow her
to mix with her siblings. we thought it would be the best thing to do,
so that she doesn't loose her bond with other cats. We didn't want her
to feel out of place with her siblings, because they all seem to love
her dearly, & treat her no differently to the rest of them. In an odd
way, it "seems" like they know that there is something different about
her, because they are not nearly so rough with her, as they are with
each other. The only other thing that we do when we let her mix with
her siblings, is shut mum off from her litter for an hour or so @ a
time. We don't want mum to attack her again, so we remove her.

It was Duffy's story that inspired me to look into further
possibilities. That, & the declaration by the vet that the kindest
thing we can do for her, was to put her to sleep.! It went against the
grain, & I, like you, am convinced that she can have a good quality of
life without sight. I would be more than grateful if you would send
that article about Duffy to me via email, if it is not too much
trouble please?
I'm @ sheelagh_Madden @ hotmail. co. UK (without the spaces in lower
case)
Thank you very much for the offer. We appreciate it very much indeed.
I know that gill will be delighted, & she has asked me to forward her
thanks as well. Duffy's story convinced us that anything was worth a
go to see if we could make a decent life for her

Below this is a link to the facility that has offered to look @ Miss
whiskers, for your interest.

http://www.vet.cam.ac.uk/hospital/small.html

Other than her blindness, she is a super kitten with a wonderful
temperament. She loves to be held & "paddles" when she feeds from a
bottle ( like a kitten does when it kneads their mother's tummy to
induce the milk to flow). She is ever so sweet, & I am certain that if
we can find the right mummy for her ( or daddy, there is no
discrimination here, lol.) All parents considered for this speacial
little girl.
I will keep you up to date with how we progress & post a photo of her
as soon as I get around to it, just so that you can see her. She is a
stunning looking kitty too.

Thank you all for your comments, & I will take take all advice on
board & put it into action as well. I know that Gill will be delighted
too.
Best wishes,
Sheelagh >"o"<
polonca12000 - 23 Sep 2007 22:13 GMT
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> Other than her blindness, she is a super kitten with a wonderful
> temperament. She loves to be held & "paddles" when she feeds from a
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> Best wishes,
> Sheelagh >"o"<

Lots of purrs and best wishes for the kitten and thank you so much for
taking such good care of her,
Polonca and Soncek
Karen AKA Kajikit - 20 Sep 2007 15:43 GMT
>Hi Mary. I wonder if you could possibly advise me on something please?
>I have a friend who works for the Cat Protection League, & we have
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>Also, If we were to look for a new foster mummy or her- what do we
>look for in a candidate.

She was born blind and she's only three weeks old. She doesn't know
that she's missing anything...  she's not 'suffering' from her
blindness sweety.

If she doesn't have any other serious health problems or birth defects
aside from her eyes, she should grow up perfectly fine and healthy and
well-adjusted, just a little different. Right now she's afraid of the
world because it's all so new to her, and her mother's started showing
agression towards her because she couldn't survive in the wild - she'd
be a handicap to the whole litter and she might cost someone else
their life in the wild. But she's not IN the wild. She's in a nice
safe protected house where there aren't any hostile predators waiting
to carry her away.

As a hand-reared feline she should be fine! She doesn't need any
special care aside from putting her food and water and litter box
close enough to her for her to find them and showing her where they
are (probably more often than a regular kitten...) She's got a nose
and whiskers and ears to help her find her way around - she just needs
to take the time to learn to use them. :)
MaryL - 25 Sep 2007 22:02 GMT
> Hi Mary. I wonder if you could possibly advise me on something please?
> I have a friend who works for the Cat Protection League, & we have
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>
> Sheelagh >"o"<

Hi Sheelagh,

Please be sure to check your email.  I posted a long document to you.

MaryL

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