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Cat Forum / Cat Anecdotes / September 2007New Outdoor Cat Enclosures
Hi Everyone, As you know, cats that roam freely outdoors are exposed to the dangers of predators, cars, lawn fertilizers, etc. However, cats can enjoy the sights and sounds of the outdoors in safety if they are given access to an outdoor enclosure. I own a small pet products business and we offer outdoor cat enclosures that attach to your home so your cats can go in and out any time they wish. The enclosures have modular components, so we can offer just about any size and shape enclosure you would like at a reasonable price. If you are interested, check out our web-site at www.bandobi.com Thanks for your time. Regards, Josh Rothman Bandobi Pet Products www.bandobi.com > I own a small pet products business and we offer outdoor cat > enclosures that attach to your home so your cats can go in and out any > time they wish. The enclosures have modular components, so we can > offer just about any size and shape enclosure you would like at a > reasonable price. Looks like an interesting concept, but to be honest, they don't seem very sturdy.  SignatureVictor M. Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM) Send your spam here: uce@ftc.gov Email me here: pistorLITTER@BOXaustin.rr.com >> I own a small pet products business and we offer outdoor cat >> enclosures that attach to your home so your cats can go in and out any [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Looks like an interesting concept, but to be honest, they don't seem very > sturdy. Enclosures are not difficult to build yourself. I haven't had to build a cat enclosure as my cats are safe outside but I *have* had to build enclosures for my chickens because of fox problems. One size would fit all here/safe for chickens/safe for cats. It's quite easy to build a frame of 2x2 timber, but put an upright in every 3 feet or so, 6 feet if you will use really rigid mesh to enclose it in as I do for keeping foxes out. I put paving slabs down to avoid crafty burrowing in and build the frame on top of that. I thought I was safe with 6 feet high, but had a disaster and now put a roof on, which would be needed for cats, of course. So, put more 2x2 across the top to accommodate the size of roof sheet you can get. Get some roof sheets, fix them on, cover the sides with good wire mesh, make a door to fit. If I can do it, anyone can if they are good health. Not any more for me, unfortunately, the incisional repair I had in March has broken down. There was only 44 per cent chance would work, anyway. I can live with it atm, medically. In every other way it is going to ruin my life. Tweed All you need is 2im >>> I own a small pet products business and we offer outdoor cat >>> enclosures that attach to your home so your cats can go in and out any [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > There was only 44 per cent chance would work, anyway. I can live with it > atm, medically. In every other way it is going to ruin my life. I'm so sorry to hear that! How did it not work? Is it herniated again? Would a cosmetic surgeon be able to fix it? Hugs, CatNipped > Tweed > > All you need is 2im >>> There was only 44 per cent chance would work, anyway. I can live with it >> atm, medically. In every other way it is going to ruin my life. > > I'm so sorry to hear that! How did it not work? Is it herniated again? Yes. But I had two and it's only one now. > Would a cosmetic surgeon be able to fix it? No, not at all. It's not a cosmetic thing to make me look better. My concern is how I can manage my big garden if I cannot dig and plant and clean out the chickens for fear of the last repair breaking down. And no, I am not about to sign up for another incisional hernia repair for a 20 per cent chance this time, I thought it would be a breeze after my hysto. It wasn't. Tweed >>>> There was only 44 per cent chance would work, anyway. I can live with >>>> it [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > No, not at all. It's not a cosmetic thing to make me look better. No, I didn't mean to imply that it was. But cosmetic surgeons know how to make finer stitches with less scarring - and less scarring means healthier healing. When I had a basal cell carcinoma removed from my tear duct, since is was such a delicate surgery around the eye, they had a cosmetic surgeon do it and it healed completely without scarring and in a very short time. Also, since cosmetic surgeons have experience with "tummy tucks" they know how to bolster the muscles in the abdomen better than an ordinary surgeon. > My concern is how I can manage my big garden if I cannot dig and plant and > clean out the chickens for fear of the last repair breaking down. And no, > I am not about to sign up for another incisional hernia repair for a 20 > per cent chance this time, I thought it would be a breeze after my hysto. > It wasn't. Who told you it was only a 20 percent chance of complete healing? That just doesn't sound right to me. Have you at least gotten a second opinion. You have a lot of years left to you (thank goodness), it seems terrible that you can't be 100% active and do the things you love to do! I know "tummy tucks" are supposed to be the most painful surgery there is, but I'd have to think about it if it meant being able to get my life back again. Purrs for your health coming across the pond, no matter what you decide! Hugs, CatNipped > Tweed >>>>> There was only 44 per cent chance would work, anyway. I can live with >>>>> it [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > Also, since cosmetic surgeons have experience with "tummy tucks" they know > how to bolster the muscles in the abdomen better than an ordinary surgeon. It doesn't work like that here. Most cosmetic surgeons only do private work. The cosmetic surgeons that do still work in the NHS usually confine themselves to correcting serious disfigurements, maybe congenital, through a car crash, or a fire, stuff like that. >> My concern is how I can manage my big garden if I cannot dig and plant >> and clean out the chickens for fear of the last repair breaking down. And [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Who told you it was only a 20 percent chance of complete healing? That > just doesn't sound right to me. After (if) the first repair breaks down the 44 sinks to 20. Have you at least gotten a second opinion. It's not really necessary. I just plucked this off the net for an idea (only read the first third or so unless you like medical info) I do, actually! I find it fascinating. http://hernia.tripod.com/incisional2.html Tweed >>>>>> There was only 44 per cent chance would work, anyway. I can live >>>>>> with it [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > > Tweed So have you had the tension free repair method using mesh? SignatureBritta Purring is an automatic safety valve device for dealing with happiness overflow. Check out pictures of Vino at: http://picasaweb.google.com/badwilson >> It's not really necessary. I just plucked this off the net for an >> idea (only read the first third or so unless you like medical info) I do, >> actually! I find it fascinating. >> >> http://hernia.tripod.com/incisional2.html > So have you had the tension free repair method using mesh? No, they said they would use mesh so I was surprised to wake up without it. Apparently, although it did once seem a good idea, it seems that the mesh can lead to awful infections so they decided not to. I got a pretty bad infection even without it, but at least I didn't have to have another operation to have the mesh removed. On a scale of 1-10 would I consider this operation again? Minus 10. No way, unless it becomes life-threatening. Tweed >>> It's not really necessary. I just plucked this off the net for an >>> idea (only read the first third or so unless you like medical info) I [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Tweed I don't at all mean to start another argument, but this is why, problems and all, I prefer our medical system in the states. First, it seems you must have had the "older conventional type" of sutures in your original surgery. I had to have a hysterectomy in 1991. Although it wasn't cancerous, I had so many fibroid tumors that they had to remove womb and ovaries as well as removing growths from the outside of my intestines, so the surgery was probably as invasive as yours if not as dire. They used internal and external sutures, used electrical field therapy, used aroma therapy, used self-administered morphine, and offered physical therapy to strengthen the muscles post-surgery. I was completely healed in less than 6 weeks and could resume all my normal activities. Had something like your hernia occurred, a specialist would have been called in, surgery would have been done immediately, and the latest cutting edge (pun intended) technology would have been used to repair it. I know *quite* a few people who have had abdominal surgery here and I haven't heard of anyone who has had a hernia as a result. When I had my last surgery, the woman in the next bed had a "tummy tuck" - paid for by her insurance since previous surgery had "allegedly" caused a "weakness" in the abdominal muscles - not because of herniation. When surgery is needed here (and even if it is elective), it is done immediately, with no wait, and it is done *correctly*! </rant> I'm sorry, Tweed, again I don't mean to start a debate (gawd knows there's a *LOT* wrong with the medical system here) - I'm just angry *FOR* you. Cosmetic surgeons *should* be available to anyone who *needs* them! If your lifestyle has to drastically change, then I don't see that as an "elective" surgery, it's surgery that is needed to live a normal life! They should have done it right in the first place and you should have been able to resume your normal life in a couple of months, not still be restricted after (how many?) years!!! Hugs, CatNipped > Had something like your hernia occurred, a specialist would have been called > in, surgery would have been done immediately, and the latest cutting edge > (pun intended) technology would have been used to repair it. I know *quite* If and only if you had insurance. If you don't, tough luck. That's an important difference. SignatureVictor M. Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM) Send your spam here: uce@ftc.gov Email me here: pistorLITTER@BOXaustin.rr.com > > Had something like your hernia occurred, a specialist would have been called > > in, surgery would have been done immediately, and the latest cutting edge [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > -- > Victor M. Martinez It sure is. I used to be naive enough to believe that insured and self- pay people got the same treatment in hospitals. That is NOT true. I've heard horror stories from friends in the med. field. That is so wrong. I'm not looking to start an argument either, but I've just seen the desperation of people who need treatment, or need it for their kids. The average pay-check- to-paycheck type of people. Not poor enough for indigent care, not wealthy enough to pay for it. That's when I think I wish we did have something like the UK. Sherry Sherry > the same treatment in hospitals. That is NOT true. I've heard horror > stories from friends > in the med. field. That is so wrong. And if you're lucky enough to get treatment, the bills will very likely send you to bankruptcy. Medical bills are, by far, the main reason people file for bankruptcy in this country. Victor, who is lucky enough to have good health insurance. SignatureVictor M. Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM) Send your spam here: uce@ftc.gov Email me here: pistorLITTER@BOXaustin.rr.com >> the same treatment in hospitals. That is NOT true. I've heard horror >> stories from friends [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Victor, who is lucky enough to have good health insurance. >> the same treatment in hospitals. That is NOT true. I've heard horror >> stories from friends [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Victor, who is lucky enough to have good health insurance. I agree with you with one small exception. And it is probably the sticking point that keeps us from getting proper health care reform in the US. There is a very large gap between people who think they can afford health insurance and buy it, and those the government and the rest of us think should be able to afford insurance and should have to pay for it. Lots of the people in that gap do manage the payments on new cars and trucks, etc. I don't see a solution. Cars and trucks aside, poor people's money usually doesn't go as far as people with more money think it should. I wonder too, what other countries do about people who work off the books. Who don't pay into any system but still need care when the time comes. Jo >> Had something like your hernia occurred, a specialist would have been >> called in, surgery would have been done immediately, and the latest [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > If and only if you had insurance. If you don't, tough luck. That's an > important difference. Yep, that's exactly the "problems" I was talking about. I've even had that problem recently because, although I have insurance, it has a $1,500 deductible ($3,000 for family) and only pays for "preventative" treatment or medicines before you reach it. And I must admit, that *is* a big problem! :< Hugs, CatNipped >>>> It's not really necessary. I just plucked this off the net for an >>>> idea (only read the first third or so unless you like medical info) I [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > able to resume your normal life in a couple of months, not still be > restricted after (how many?) years!!! I was lucky to live at all from my ovarian cancer. It does not seem fair to complain too much now about an incisional hernia that will not repair after the surgery that saved my life. Although I will do ;-) so please let me vent now and again. > I was lucky to live at all from my ovarian cancer. It does not seem fair to > complain too much now about an incisional hernia that will not repair after > the surgery that saved my life. Although I will do ;-) so please let me > vent now and again. By all means! Pain is pain. It might no longer be life-threatening, but if one is miserable enough, one might wish it were... One can learn to live with minor discomfort, but misery is not acceptable IMO. Joyce >>>>> It's not really necessary. I just plucked this off the net for an >>>>> idea (only read the first third or so unless you like medical info) I [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > after the surgery that saved my life. Although I will do ;-) so please > let me vent now and again. Oh, vent all you want to - you have *every* right to, I can only sympathize (as can everyone here I imagine). Even though this might not be life-threatening, it's still painful and limits your ability to do the things you want to - that sucks! :< Hugs, CatNipped > If I can do it, anyone can if they are good health. Not any more for me, > unfortunately, the incisional repair I had in March has broken down. There > was only 44 per cent chance would work, anyway. I can live with it atm, > medically. In every other way it is going to ruin my life. Excuse my English, but sh.t - I am so sorry to hear this!! :( After all you went through to get this done. Will you be able to have it re-done? Is that even desirable? Tweed, I am really so sorry it's not working out! Joyce > > If I can do it, anyone can if they are good health. Not any more for > > me, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Excuse my English, but sh.t - I am so sorry to hear this!! :( After all > you went through to get this done. Will you be able to have it re-done? Yes, maybe > Is that even desirable? No, I truly cannot tolerate that sort of pain again. Ever. OMG. Thanks for your kind thoughts. Tweed On Sep 14, 5:02 pm, "Christina Websell" <spamf...@tinawebsell.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote: > <jXwXeXrXmXoX...@sonic.net> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Tweed I'm sorry Tweed. I remember you telling us how bad it was. I do not blame you. I would have to think long and hard before having *any* kind of gut surgery again. It is the WORST. A heart bypass is a "walk in the park" compared to gut surgery. Take care of yourself the best you can. Sherry > On Sep 14, 5:02 pm, "Christina Websell" > <spamf...@tinawebsell.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > A heart bypass is a "walk in the park" compared to gut surgery. > Take care of yourself the best you can. Only if I knew I would die "for certain" without it would I have abdominal surgery again. Which is how it all started. Tweed >If I can do it, anyone can if they are good health. Not any more for me, >unfortunately, the incisional repair I had in March has broken down. There >was only 44 per cent chance would work, anyway. I can live with it atm, >medically. In every other way it is going to ruin my life. I am sorry to hear this! Lesley Slave of the Fabulous Furballs > Enclosures are not difficult to build yourself. I haven't had to build a > cat enclosure as my cats are safe outside but I *have* had to build [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Tweed I'm sorry to hear you are still having health problems, Christina. Lots of purrs and hugs, Polonca and Soncek >> I own a small pet products business and we offer outdoor cat >> enclosures that attach to your home so your cats can go in and out any [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Looks like an interesting concept, but to be honest, they don't seem > very sturdy. Yeah, I wonder how they would hold up to a couple of climbers like Mir and Caliban. Mine has much finer mesh - no chance of a paw getting stuck in one of the holes, while these have such large holes, I would worry about that. Also, they don't offer all the cool furnishings the company that made mine offered. :) Sadly, they don't make cat enclosures any more. It may be spam, but at least it's on topic. SignatureMarina, Miranda and Caliban. In loving memory of Frank and Nikki.
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