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CATherine - 10 Nov 2004 03:53 GMT
For several weeks my pc has been acting up. For no reason at random times
the screen would go black and it would automatically re-boot and do
scan-disk. It kept getting more and more frequent. At first my son said it
is just a Bill Gates glitch. But he finally had his movie down-loads
interrupted (we are net-worked with my modem doing the work) one too many
times. So he started trouble-shooting. he couldn't figure it out. Except
moving the mouse sets it off. But it will sometimes do it when the mouse is
dis-connected.

So, he had me get some CD-RWs and then he went to format them and his pc
won't do the Ws anymore for some reason!! He is royally p*ssed! But he is
working on my pc and his doing something, I don't know what--making room or
something. But the plan is to use his pc to reach my huge picture collection
and all my data through the networking and put it on the new disks. then he
wants to purge my hard drive and finally get rid of the &*%#* Millenium OS
and then install Win 98 from the disk we bought a few years ago. But he says
it will all take a lot of time. He hopes it solves the problem. It better.

Right now he has taught me a few keyboard commands and they are cumbersome
and hard to remember. And I keep reaching for the mouse! I will be glad when
he has it all going again. But it might not be until next week. So I really
won't be replying much until then. Although I did want to know keyboard
commands all these years. Little did i know I would *have* to learn at least
a few. Now I feel like Robin. I want a mousie!!

I will try to keep up with the reading al;though I have already lost a few
messages through time limits.

CATherine
Marina - 10 Nov 2004 05:34 GMT
> I will try to keep up with the reading al;though I have already lost a few
> messages through time limits.

Purrs that you get your mousie back soon!

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jmcquown - 10 Nov 2004 12:39 GMT
> For several weeks my pc has been acting up. For no reason at random
> times the screen would go black and it would automatically re-boot
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> figure it out. Except moving the mouse sets it off. But it will
> sometimes do it when the mouse is dis-connected.

(snippage)
> CATherine

Frankly, I doubt this is the fault of your opsys, Millenium or otherwise.
Windows doesn't suddenly decide to reboot your machine or not recognize your
mouse.  I'm not a hardware tech but it sounds to me like a problem with the
motherboard or some other internal component.  Still, I understand your
frustration and it's a wise plan to get your photos and other things off the
machine before it decides to die completely, rather than sporadically.

Computer Purrs,

Jill
D. R. Crawford - 10 Nov 2004 14:00 GMT
> > For several weeks my pc has been acting up. For no reason at random
> > times the screen would go black and it would automatically re-boot
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>
> Jill

Actually, this sounds very much like a virus. I recall reading about a type
that produced exactly those symptoms. Since your PC is hooked up to the
Internet and your son likes to download files, there's a pretty good chance
that you've acquired a virus. You should probably do a Google search on
"virus killer" and pick one of the free ones or whichever one appeals to you
and then use it right away before your PC stops entirely. Good luck!

Once you do rescue your PC, it might be a good idea to buy an external hard
disk drive, then store all your valuable or irreplaceable files on it. That
way, even if your PC dies completely, your precious files won't die right
along with it. The external drive can be unplugged from the dead PC and then
plugged into another one, perhaps the one your son uses. That way your files
are still usable while the original PC is being fixed.
Steve Touchstone - 10 Nov 2004 18:21 GMT
>> Frankly, I doubt this is the fault of your opsys, Millenium or otherwise.
>> Windows doesn't suddenly decide to reboot your machine or not recognize
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
>plugged into another one, perhaps the one your son uses. That way your files
>are still usable while the original PC is being fixed.

I tend to agree with the above posts. Seems much more likely, IMO, to
be a virus or hardware problem. I'd definaitely look for a virus
first, since it would be cheaper to fix. There should be several
decent anti virus utilities are free for personal use. Once upon a
time, back when I was in a Users Group (I was the club librarian, so
did a lot of DL'ing and shareware testing), I kept up with the various
AV programs, but for the past couple years I just subscribe to
Norton's and get their updates every Friday night.

Of course, one of the biggies you hear from computer techies is the
importance of regular maintenance - including a rotating backup
systems. How often you back up depends on how often you have new
files. Without backups, you'll be able to restore the programs (though
it can be a headache to restore you settings), but lose all your data
files and pix if the pc crashes. An external drive is a good idea, but
if you have a controller/hardware problem with your I/O ports (seems
likely, especially with the mouse causing problems) I'd worry about
corrupted data on the external drive.
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Seanette Blaylock - 10 Nov 2004 19:09 GMT
"D. R. Crawford" <dana1007NOSPAM@charter.net> had some very
interesting things to say about Re: OT   I am in PC h*ll. :-(:

>Actually, this sounds very much like a virus. I recall reading about a type
>that produced exactly those symptoms. Since your PC is hooked up to the
>Internet and your son likes to download files, there's a pretty good chance
>that you've acquired a virus. You should probably do a Google search on
>"virus killer" and pick one of the free ones or whichever one appeals to you
>and then use it right away before your PC stops entirely. Good luck!

I get along well with the free version of AVG
[http://www.grisoft.com].

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Yowie - 11 Nov 2004 03:15 GMT
> "D. R. Crawford" <dana1007NOSPAM@charter.net> had some very
> interesting things to say about Re: OT   I am in PC h*ll. :-(:
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> I get along well with the free version of AVG
> [http://www.grisoft.com].

Happy to second that. Good program, updates are frequent, and best of all,
totally free!

Yowie
Ted Davis - 10 Nov 2004 13:47 GMT
>For several weeks my pc has been acting up. For no reason at random times
>the screen would go black and it would automatically re-boot and do
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>moving the mouse sets it off. But it will sometimes do it when the mouse is
>dis-connected.
<snip>

Hardware issues are likely, but it is also highly probable that you
have so much adware and spyware that the machine is highly unstable.

There are a couple of free cleaner utilities that we use: Ad-Aware and
Spybot - neither is perfect but they complement each other and will
almost always clean up the machine, though it may take several passes
with both.  <http://www.lavasoftusa.com/>, click on "Ad-Aware
Personal"; <http://www.spybot.info/en/index.html>, click on "Spybot
S&D".

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Stormin Mormon - 12 Nov 2004 13:27 GMT
Blast. wish I'd read this before I sent mine. You said much the same.

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On 10 Nov 2004 03:53:52 GMT, "CATherine"
<pepsicola5cents@drop.me.bigsandytelco.com> wrote:

>For several weeks my pc has been acting up. For no reason at random times
>the screen would go black and it would automatically re-boot and do
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>moving the mouse sets it off. But it will sometimes do it when the mouse is
>dis-connected.
<snip>

Hardware issues are likely, but it is also highly probable that you
have so much adware and spyware that the machine is highly unstable.

There are a couple of free cleaner utilities that we use: Ad-Aware and
Spybot - neither is perfect but they complement each other and will
almost always clean up the machine, though it may take several passes
with both.  <http://www.lavasoftusa.com/>, click on "Ad-Aware
Personal"; <http://www.spybot.info/en/index.html>, click on "Spybot
S&D".

T.E.D. (tdavis@gearbox.maem.umr.edu)
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Dan M - 10 Nov 2004 15:18 GMT
> For several weeks my pc has been acting up. For no reason at random times
> the screen would go black and it would automatically re-boot and do
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> moving the mouse sets it off. But it will sometimes do it when the mouse is
> dis-connected.

Sounds to me like you might have a faulty spot in your RAM. If so,
upgrading from Millenium to 98 might not get rid of it. Though it's
still an excellent idea - I don't think Microsoft has ever released an
OS less reliable and more bug-prone than ME (and that's saying an awful
lot!).

Your son might want to see if he can find a freeware or shareware memory
diagnostic tool somewhere to check the RAM.

Dan
bonbon - 10 Nov 2004 15:23 GMT
Make sure your system is virus free.  Run Norton Utilities System
Check to find Disk and Windows problems.  Then run Speed Disk to
defragment each drive.  (Speed Disk takes a while)

DH is a Computer Systems Engineer, and those are the first things he
does when I hose my system.

-bonbon
Kreisleriana - 10 Nov 2004 15:43 GMT
>Make sure your system is virus free.  Run Norton Utilities System
>Check to find Disk and Windows problems.  Then run Speed Disk to
>defragment each drive.  (Speed Disk takes a while)

Don't stop there.  I know it sounds paranoid, but get a  reputable
spyware or adware program to scan for those, too.  It's often some
insidious doohickey that found its way onto your PC that causes it to
reboot like that.  See here:
<http://www.lavasoft.de/software/adaware/>
<http://www.spywareinfo.com/>

Don't beat yourself up if you do find some malware.  Some very common
apps that almost everyone has, are adware; the most notorious is
RealNetworks media player.  Practically every file-sharing program is
adware, and so are the various download accelerators that are so
common.

Also, get a firewall-- even if you just have a dialup connection:
<http://www.zonelabs.com/store/content/home.jsp>

Theresa
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CatNipped - 10 Nov 2004 17:38 GMT
> Don't stop there.  I know it sounds paranoid, but get a  reputable
> spyware or adware program to scan for those, too.  It's often some
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> Also, get a firewall-- even if you just have a dialup connection:
> <http://www.zonelabs.com/store/content/home.jsp>

I know!  Doesn't it just floor you that spammers who deliberately misspell
words to fool your junk email catchers, and spammers that download
destructive files to your PC, think that you'll just forgive all that and
buy their products any way!!???  What are they thinking??!!!  Um, never
mind, troglodites don't think, do they?  (I don't buy products from
*legitimate* companies who send me spam - just for spite - I *HATE*
spammers!!!)

What *really* gets to me is, just as some nice guy at my office comes up to
my desk, I'll get an email with graphic pictures of "yung teenes taking it
up the @$$".  I have my preview pane turned on so I don't have to open up
each email I get at work, so these disgusting pictures just show up there,
bald faced (or bald-arsed), on my screen.
AAAARRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!

I feel sorry for people who have young children who get these emails - it's
just so disheartening to live in such a gross and stupid world!

Hugs,

CatNipped

> Theresa
> Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh
> My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com
Kreisleriana - 10 Nov 2004 17:45 GMT
(snip)

>What *really* gets to me is, just as some nice guy at my office comes up to
>my desk, I'll get an email with graphic pictures of "yung teenes taking it
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>I feel sorry for people who have young children who get these emails - it's
>just so disheartening to live in such a gross and stupid world!

Damn right!  
Where's my bottle of Amaretto!?

Theresa
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My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com
jmcquown - 11 Nov 2004 00:50 GMT
>  (snip)
>>
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
> Theresa

LOL  It's right next to the coffee pot where you added a shot this morning,
remember? (teasing)

> Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh
> My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com
Kreisleriana - 11 Nov 2004 18:18 GMT
>>  (snip)
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>LOL  It's right next to the coffee pot where you added a shot this morning,
>remember? (teasing)

Oh no, not the morning!  Never the -- <hic>

Theresa
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My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com
Cheryl - 11 Nov 2004 23:13 GMT
>>What *really* gets to me is, just as some nice guy at my office
>>comes up to my desk, I'll get an email with graphic pictures of
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> Damn right!  
> Where's my bottle of Amaretto!?

The latest versions/patches of Outlook and Outlook Express block
all images from email by default. You have to click a certain
specified area to download the images into the body of the message.
I highly recommend the update for home and office if you must use
MS mail clients. Mozilla Thunderbird blocks them, too.

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Stormin Mormon - 12 Nov 2004 13:30 GMT
Is it possible you mean scandisk and then defragment?

What I do is to right click and shut down all the items in my tool tray.
Messenger, task scheduler, close browsers, close email, and then shut down
antivirus.

Click start, programs, accessories, disk cleanup. That will help kill off
some unused files and such.

Click start, programs, accessories, scandisk. Run that (oh, wait, it keeps
running auto when your PC reboots). Nevermind.

Anyhow, then click start, programs, accessories, defragment. That one takes
about an hour, but well worth it.
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Make sure your system is virus free.  Run Norton Utilities System
Check to find Disk and Windows problems.  Then run Speed Disk to
defragment each drive.  (Speed Disk takes a while)

DH is a Computer Systems Engineer, and those are the first things he
does when I hose my system.

-bonbon
Yowie - 10 Nov 2004 20:32 GMT
> For several weeks my pc has been acting up. For no reason at random times
> the screen would go black and it would automatically re-boot and do
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> and then install Win 98 from the disk we bought a few years ago. But he says
> it will all take a lot of time. He hopes it solves the problem. It better.

ME is the worst virus I've ever got!. You may have trouble getting rid of
it, as it won't let you delete it or format the hard drive if thats the hard
drive you boot from. What you need to do, and sorry if this is complicated,
is make your hard drive with Millenium on it a *slave* HD and use another
master HD to boot from. Using the master HD you can fomat your 'slave' HD
and install W98 on it. Win98 Second Edition is still the best Window
version, IMHO - whilst not perfect, its not subject to many of the more
sophisticated attackes that work against the current Windows, and if things
get bad you can always drop back into DOS.

PC purrs - or should that be hums? - coming your way.

Yowie
CATherine - 11 Nov 2004 05:18 GMT
Wow!! i sure got a lot of helpful replies! Thanks! My son likes F-Protect,
so he ran that tonight and found no virus. I have ZoneAlarmPro and it has
not alerted me to anything. He checked the mouse and driver and then the
motherboard. A couple months ago he had the case open to clean it and
everything was ok then. He did tell me that that the OS should have been
re-installed about every year and a half. But he was too busy and forgot
about it. He said he needs to do his as well. He has been digging into DOS
and found no problems. He says I have no adware or spyware. Of course he has
mysettings for very tight security. He seems convinced that the problem is
Bill Gates and ME instability. And the long time of not re-installing. He
feels very sorry. I made a pact with him to do it regularly every New
Year's. But we are still going to put on Win 98 2nd edition. And he is going
to partition the hard drive. Yowie, he says he can completely purge the hard
drive, no problem. He did it with a friend's pc and installed 98 on it no
problem. If you want details I can have him write it all down for you. Purrs
for everyone!!

CATherine

> For several weeks my pc has been acting up. For no reason at random times
> the screen would go black and it would automatically re-boot and do
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
>
> CATherine
Bob M - 11 Nov 2004 19:35 GMT
> Wow!! i sure got a lot of helpful replies! Thanks! My son likes F-Protect,
> so he ran that tonight and found no virus. I have ZoneAlarmPro and it has
[quoted text clipped - 52 lines]
> >
> > CATherine

Have him pull the case off the computer again. Have him look at the
capacitors on the motherboard. If any of them are leaking or bulging the
board needs to be replaced. There was a bad batch of capacitors made a
while back that affected all brands of motherboards. The symptoms you
are describing are symptoms of a MB with bad caps. The only other thing
I can think of would be a bad or failing power supply.

Bob
D. R. Crawford - 11 Nov 2004 20:43 GMT
> > Wow!! i sure got a lot of helpful replies! Thanks! My son likes F-Protect,
> > so he ran that tonight and found no virus. I have ZoneAlarmPro and it has
[quoted text clipped - 61 lines]
>
>  Bob
You're right, power supplies can be responsible for some of the strangest
damned symptoms. I used to fix PCs back in the early 80s and some of the
weirdest problems I ever saw were fixed when I replaced the power supply as
a last resort. That's a good tip about the capacitors too.
jmcquown - 11 Nov 2004 22:28 GMT
>> Wow!! i sure got a lot of helpful replies! Thanks! My son likes
>> F-Protect, so he ran that tonight and found no virus. I have
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>> tell me that that the OS should have been re-installed about every
>> year and a half.

Never heard of such a thing.  Why would you need to reinstall the opsys
every year?  That's just silly.

But we are still going to put on Win 98
>> 2nd edition. And he is going to partition the hard drive. Yowie, he
>> says he can completely purge the hard drive, no problem. He did it
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
>  Bob

Yep, I was going to mention the power supply in my first reply but deleted
mentioning it (don't know why).  I'm not a hardware tech nor do I play one
on TV, but I have been owned by computers since the mid 1980's when they
were still twinkles in most people's eyes.  The behavior CATherine mentions
definitely screams hardware problems.  I can't speculate on the cause but I
doubt seriously it requires reformatting the HD and installing another
operating system.  Just my two cents, which is worth about 1 cent given the
current economy.

Jill
CATherine - 12 Nov 2004 03:31 GMT
As for the solutions Bob mentioned, my power supply is ATX and is fine. So
my son is going to check out the capacitor possibility tomorrow while I am
at work and out of his way.

Jill, my son said about the reinstalling frequency, that it depended on the
type of usage the pc gets and the pc and OS. He said a lot of stuff that
makes my eyes glaze over!! I ask a simple question and get a lecture! But it
is a lot of work and skill maintaining a pc that most people don't know. But
inconsistencies build up and ME is unstable anyway.

CATherine
polonca12000 - 12 Nov 2004 11:46 GMT
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> For several weeks my pc has been acting up. <snip>
> I will try to keep up with the reading al;though I have already lost a few
> messages through time limits.
>
> CATherine
Stormin Mormon - 12 Nov 2004 13:26 GMT
For several weeks my pc has been acting up. For no reason at random times
the screen would go black and it would automatically re-boot and do
scan-disk. It kept getting more and more frequent.
SM: Have you checked for a loose power cord?

At first my son said it
is just a Bill Gates glitch. But he finally had his movie down-loads
interrupted (we are net-worked with my modem doing the work) one too many
times. So he started trouble-shooting. he couldn't figure it out.
SM: Try logging onto www.lavasoft.de (I think it is) and download Ad Aware.
And netsearch for Spybot. You may likely have a boat load of spyware. From
the IE browser, click tools, then internet options. Click "delete temp
files" and check the box. And delete cookies. You'll lose some stored
preferences for the web pages, but what the heck.

Except
moving the mouse sets it off. But it will sometimes do it when the mouse is
dis-connected.

So, he had me get some CD-RWs and then he went to format them and his pc
won't do the Ws anymore for some reason!! He is royally p*ssed! But he is
working on my pc and his doing something, I don't know what--making room or
something. But the plan is to use his pc to reach my huge picture collection
and all my data through the networking and put it on the new disks. then he
wants to purge my hard drive and finally get rid of the &*%#* Millenium OS
and then install Win 98 from the disk we bought a few years ago.
SM: I'm running win 98 Second Edition. The first edition 98 was awful.

But he says
it will all take a lot of time. He hopes it solves the problem. It better.

Right now he has taught me a few keyboard commands and they are cumbersome
and hard to remember. And I keep reaching for the mouse!
SM: I do that iwth my old DOS computer. Whcih is text only, and I keep
reaching for the mouse.

I will be glad when
he has it all going again. But it might not be until next week. So I really
won't be replying much until then. Although I did want to know keyboard
commands all these years. Little did i know I would *have* to learn at least
a few. Now I feel like Robin. I want a mousie!!

I will try to keep up with the reading al;though I have already lost a few
messages through time limits.

CATherine
 
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