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jofirey - 05 Sep 2007 21:33 GMT
We need to replace the fuel filter on Charlie's 2004 Dodge neon.

Only Charlie has absolutely no idea where to have it done.  (He has a
problem with dealer maintenance)  He tried to buy a fuel filter for it and
learned it is in the fuel tank.

I got just far enough on the internet to learn that isn't unusual.  So where
would one usually get a fuel filter replaced.  (My good ole guy mechanic
finally retired.  About ten years after he should have)

Jo
Victor Martinez - 05 Sep 2007 22:18 GMT
> Only Charlie has absolutely no idea where to have it done.  (He has a
> problem with dealer maintenance)  He tried to buy a fuel filter for it and
> learned it is in the fuel tank.

There are lots of places that change oil here in Austin, I'm sure most
towns have something similar?

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jofirey - 06 Sep 2007 00:12 GMT
>> Only Charlie has absolutely no idea where to have it done.  (He has a
>> problem with dealer maintenance)  He tried to buy a fuel filter for it
>> and learned it is in the fuel tank.
>
> There are lots of places that change oil here in Austin, I'm sure most
> towns have something similar?

That's what I didn't know.  I know the oil change places change oil and air
filters, but not if they changed fuel filters.

Jo
Gandalf - 06 Sep 2007 05:25 GMT
>>> Only Charlie has absolutely no idea where to have it done.  (He has a
>>> problem with dealer maintenance)  He tried to buy a fuel filter for it
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>
>Jo

Stay away from oil change places like the plague: they hire pretty much
the worst mechanics in the world; basically anyone can change oil with
almost zero training. My brother had to replace the engine on his Honda
after Rapid Oil Change left the drain plug only hand tight. It took
weeks for most of the oil to leak out, and the engine to seize.

$4800 to replace it.

Trust me on this.

You need a REAL mechanic.
Matthew - 06 Sep 2007 00:17 GMT
many oil change shops will do it

> We need to replace the fuel filter on Charlie's 2004 Dodge neon.
>
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>
> Jo
Lorraine - 06 Sep 2007 00:36 GMT
>I got just far enough on the internet to learn that isn't unusual.  So where
>would one usually get a fuel filter replaced.  (My good ole guy mechanic
>finally retired.  About ten years after he should have)

Are you a AAA member?  I have found good auto repair businesses through
the local AAA web site.

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Joy - 06 Sep 2007 00:55 GMT
>>I got just far enough on the internet to learn that isn't unusual.  So
>>where
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>
> L.

I should have read your post before I sent mine.  ;-)

Joy
Joy - 06 Sep 2007 00:43 GMT
> We need to replace the fuel filter on Charlie's 2004 Dodge neon.
>
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>
> Jo

Do you belong to the auto club?  If you do, I'd go to their website.
They're having a car care special this month, and if you go to
http://www.aaa-calif.com/auto/maintain/car_care_month.aspx, there's a button
you can click on to find a garage near you.

Joy
GaDragonfly - 06 Sep 2007 02:51 GMT
> We need to replace the fuel filter on Charlie's 2004 Dodge neon.
>
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>
> Jo

Jo,
I just asked DH. He said whoever told you the fuel filter is in the
tank is wrong.  He said the fuel pump is in the tank which is common
with fuel injected engines, but the filter is outside of the tank.
You could probably get a repair manual from PepBoys or similar auto
parts warehouse or take it to almost any repair shop with a national
reputation.

Hope this helps,
Julie
GaDragonfly - 06 Sep 2007 03:54 GMT
> We need to replace the fuel filter on Charlie's 2004 Dodge neon.
>
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>
> Jo

Jo,
Since you said you'd researched this and learned that it isn't unusual
I thought I'd take a look too, in case DH didn't know what he was
talking about (oh, don't tell him I said that!).  Anyway, from what I
read, it looks like the fuel filter is inline.  If it's anything like
the race car you should be able to locate it outside the fuel tank.
It will be a plastic cylindrical type thing that is placed in the fuel
line.  Usually we take two pair of vise grips and clamp the fuel line
on either side of the fuel filter.  The filter itself is held on
either with metal clamps on each side or tie wraps.  I'm sure you
realize, but I'll mention this should be done when the engine
compartment is cold.  Loosen the clamps or cut the tie wraps, remove
the fuel filter and replace it with the appropriate one.  Replace the
clamps or tie wraps and take the vise grips off the fuel line.  Make
sure you don't have any leaks around the fuel filter before you drive
the car.  If however, you're talking about the fuel pump which is
inside the tank, make sure whoever you take it too guarantees their
work.  I used to own a Typhoon that had an intank fuel pump.  I used
the dealer because of some special issues with that model SUV. I had
to replace ithe fuel pump three times before they got it right.  After
the first time they had to come get it with a flat tow truck from
where ever it had stopped running at the time.  They paid for all
expenses after the first one.

Julie
Gandalf - 06 Sep 2007 05:38 GMT
>We need to replace the fuel filter on Charlie's 2004 Dodge neon.
>
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>
>Jo

Fuel filters for fuel injected engines have to stand up to very high
pressure; they are usually held in place by tapered brass fittings.

I've changed the ones in the engine compartment; a LOT of gas sprays
out, usually. Fuel injected cars are designed to keep high fuel pressure
even when shut off; to make starting easier.

If I were you, I would go to Click and Clack's (big time car repair show
on NPR, "Car Talk") website, and you can find mechanics in your area
recommended by 'regular people':

http://www.cartalk.com/content/mechx/noshop.html

I do virtually all my own maintenance and repairs, but there are some
things I can't do. I had a mechanic I trusted, and he sold his business
to somebody else who I wouldn't trust to work on a Chinese made, lead
painted, toy model car.

I found a very good place through the Car talk website. I looked for a
place with a LOT of good recommendations, for many different kinds of
cars, that had been in business for many years, under the same
ownership.

I had to do some calling, and I 'interviewed' several people/places
before I found one I was comfortable with.

I'm *really* fussy about my car! It's 19 years old last month.

Good luck!

~~~~~~~~~~~~
"Life without cats would be only marginally worth living."
-TC, and the unmercifully, relentlessly, sweet calico kitty, Kenzie.

How you behave towards cats here below determines your status in Heaven.
- Robert Heinlein

Life is very difficult. Once you understand that, life becomes easier.
-Buddha
Matthew - 06 Sep 2007 05:47 GMT
Makes me glad when I bought my 2007 f-150 I got the extended warranty and
the maintaince plan. They replace everything for 100,000 miles.  I even got
the tire warranty to also.  Best thing I ever did  oil changes, fuel filters
belts etc etc  covered no matter what

>>We need to replace the fuel filter on Charlie's 2004 Dodge neon.
>>
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> Life is very difficult. Once you understand that, life becomes easier.
> -Buddha
Gandalf - 06 Sep 2007 06:19 GMT
>Makes me glad when I bought my 2007 f-150 I got the extended warranty and
>the maintaince plan. They replace everything for 100,000 miles.  I even got
>the tire warranty to also.  Best thing I ever did  oil changes, fuel filters
>belts etc etc  covered no matter what

D*mn! I've never heard of anything like that. Most 'plans' only cover
the first few years, when little usually goes wrong, and maintenance is
mostly oil changes and inspections.

Even if you don't have trouble, you won't have to worry about your
budget when it comes to even 'normal' maintenance.

I would have gone for that: I'd have gotten my money's worth, but
somehow I doubt they would do everything I do: like bleed the brakes
every year, and change the brake fluid completely every other year.

New (manual) trans fluid every other year, and power steering fluid.
Etc. etc. etc. I never really finish working on it, until winter hits.

I know someone who just paid the dealer $240 to flush and change the
trans filter on her auto trans.

Then they hit her up for...are you ready? $25 for an **air filter**.
There *is* a tremendous amount of labor, for about 2.8 minutes, to
change it out.

I just bought a Fram air filter for my Toyota for....$8, on sale, of
course.

I HATE it when car repair people take advantage of women, or anyone who
doesn't know their car very well.

That is pretty much a way of life, for many shops/dealerships.

I just hate it.

~~~~~~~~~~~~
"Life without cats would be only marginally worth living."
-TC, and the unmercifully, relentlessly, sweet calico kitty, Kenzie.

How you behave towards cats here below determines your status in Heaven.
- Robert Heinlein

Life is very difficult. Once you understand that, life becomes easier.
-Buddha
jofirey - 06 Sep 2007 16:22 GMT
>>Makes me glad when I bought my 2007 f-150 I got the extended warranty and
>>the maintaince plan. They replace everything for 100,000 miles.  I even
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>
> I just hate it.

What really sucks is getting older.  Even the things you used to know
somehow don't seem to apply anymore.

Where you used to know who to go to for everything in your own town, now
they are all retired too.  Once upon a time, between us Charlie and I knew
almost everyone in a fifty mile radius.  (He delivered beer and knew every
bar and restaurant and market.  I was a CPA and worked with medical,
construction and agribusiness)

Now the cars have changed and so have the rules on darn near everything
else.

I used to know more about computers than nearly anyone in town.  Now I'm not
even sure who to call to fix mine.

But then again, I devoted a great deal of time and energy to music before I
lost my hearing.  You just never know.

Jo
Christina Websell - 07 Sep 2007 00:22 GMT
>>>Makes me glad when I bought my 2007 f-150 I got the extended warranty and
>>>the maintaince plan. They replace everything for 100,000 miles.  I even
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> they are all retired too.  Once upon a time, between us Charlie and I knew
> almost everyone in a fifty mile radius.

Do you have some younger friends that you can ask where they get their cars
repaired?  I am very lucky, I have a wonderful mechanic that I found through
the recommendation of a work colleague.
He comes to my workplace to collect my car from the car park to give it a
service and/or take it for it's annual test.  Then he brings it back all
done before hometime.  He details everything he has done - checks with me if
he finds something unexpected that needs doing, lists things that "will need
doing soon but not quite yet" and always gives me back the old parts that
have needed to be replaced to prove it has been done.  Which is all very
well until you find your car filled with track rod ends and brake
cylinders..

So I said "Tony, I trust you now after 5 years, please keep the old parts to
yourself ;-)"    Thanks to Tony my current and previous car start first time
and have never given me even a minute's problem.
He is a Renault specialist really, and I had a couple of Renaults before
which were brilliant, far better than my Ford Fiesta (and let us not mention
the Skoda.)  I changed my last one for a Citroen.  I thought Tony might not
mind too much seeing as it was still a French car..
"A Citroen, a Citroen?  Are you crazy?  What's wrong with another Renault??"
was his response.
He looks after my Citroen now just as if it were a Renault ;-)

I'm looking towards getting a newer car next year, mine is 11 years old now
and I will get another French one.

Tweed

Tweed
Matthew - 06 Sep 2007 17:26 GMT
>>Makes me glad when I bought my 2007 f-150 I got the extended warranty and
>>the maintaince plan. They replace everything for 100,000 miles.  I even
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> the first few years, when little usually goes wrong, and maintenance is
> mostly oil changes and inspections.

They were offering the plan at half price this year when I bought it.  Most
plans were 3 years 36,000 miles  I said   heck I will get the max plan whis
his 7 years 100,000 miles.  The way I drive it is worth it plus I was
dishing out 20,000 dollars I said I want the best this truck is going to
last me another 20 years

> Even if you don't have trouble, you won't have to worry about your
> budget when it comes to even 'normal' maintenance.
>
> I would have gone for that: I'd have gotten my money's worth, but
> somehow I doubt they would do everything I do: like bleed the brakes
> every year, and change the brake fluid completely every other year.

Full service go to www.ford.com  click on extended service plan and
warranties  I got  all the plans which include tire protection
factory bumper to bumper  extended
Powertrain extended
Corrosion or Rust  extended
emmision control  extended
Specific component  extended

I got the premium care ESP package which covers 500 items and components.
They offer a maintenance extended package thru extended warranty that covers
what premium care that does not.    The only thing that sucks is that I have
to go back to the dealership for it  but the nice thing is if they have to
keep my care for more than 5 hours they get me a rental car

> New (manual) trans fluid every other year, and power steering fluid.
> Etc. etc. etc. I never really finish working on it, until winter hits.

Winter is not a problem here just the rest of the year  Florida stays hot
almost all the year so we have to be summerizied for the heat.

> I know someone who just paid the dealer $240 to flush and change the
> trans filter on her auto trans.

OUCH    that would have cost 79.99  here for any normal vehicle 99.99 for
trucks and vans  which include new filters and fluid
and an oil change

> Then they hit her up for...are you ready? $25 for an **air filter**.
> There *is* a tremendous amount of labor, for about 2.8 minutes, to
> change it out.

It is almost like a hospital  $8 dollars for each aspirin  but they buy it
in bulk and pay $8 for 1000 of them.  Than charge you $200 for a candy
stripper bring it to you.

> I just bought a Fram air filter for my Toyota for....$8, on sale, of
> course.

Ouch I have a local oil change place that is called victory lube  it is
16.95 or full service 24.95 for oil change.  They only charge you for extra
such as air filter, wipers they don't charge to put it in while you are
having your oil changed

> I HATE it when car repair people take advantage of women, or anyone who
> doesn't know their car very well.
>
> That is pretty much a way of life, for many shops/dealerships.
>
> I just hate it.

Lesson one when it comes to mechanics   if you are a woman that knows
nothing about cars  take a man who does know about cars to get repairs done
bribe the guy to do this any way you can if not you will pay for it in the
end.  Or at least take a man with you and have him just stare at the guy
that is all it takes

Years ago when my mom was still driving.  I had her go to a mechanic that I
thought was descent.  She needed  general stuff done such as oil change
general upkeep.

They guy told here she needed a brake job, new rotors, new tire rods  new
belts.  They bill should have been around $45  he wanted closes to $900.
She called me  I told her get a estimate and just get in the car than drive
away.  I went up there a couple days later and had the same guy check it out
he said,"  you just need and oil change and one of your belts needed
tighten". I had him write out an estimate.   I showed him the other
estimate.  His face dropped when I asked him what the F@ck he thought he was
taking advantage of my mother for.  He told me to leave.  I told him to f@ck
off and went and got the owner.  The owner really did not show interest.  So
I told them I was calling the action center which was a place that did
investigations of problems like this and showed the problem on air.  Within
4 months they had closed their place of business.  The center had recieved
30 complaints about them  after the first airing .  The center showed all of
us on air showing evidence of the problem.  The owner had refused to
acknoweldge the problem and it ended up costing him in the end.  It just
proves the old saying  what goes around comes around and bites you in the
a@@.

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~
> "Life without cats would be only marginally worth living."
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> Life is very difficult. Once you understand that, life becomes easier.
> -Buddha
jofirey - 06 Sep 2007 18:58 GMT
>>>Makes me glad when I bought my 2007 f-150 I got the extended warranty and
>>>the maintaince plan. They replace everything for 100,000 miles.  I even
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> in the end.  It just proves the old saying  what goes around comes around
> and bites you in the a@@.

Thank you for dealing with one auto shop.  And probably scaring the snot out
of a few others in the area.

Wish it weren't true about taking a guy along that can at least stand there
and look intelligent.  But it is.

When we were buying our house nearly forty years ago, we sat down with the
loan officer that was writing our mortgage.  He carefully showed us how he
arrived at the monthly payment including estimated monthly charges for taxes
and insurance.  I asked him to show me the tax calculation again.  He did
and I said I didn't think that could be right and showed him how to
calculate it.  He turned to my (financially disinterested) husband and said
"she obviously doesn't understand this" and kept on going his way.  Both
Charlie and I were so floored by his attitude that we just shut up and let
him keep going.  After all, we were just about to close on the house, had no
place to live, and didn't know the town.

My previous job had been as the internal auditor for the mortgage loan
department of the largest mortgage lender in Alaska.

Five months later we were able to skip two mortgage payments because the
trust fund was that much to high.

A year later I was working in town as a CPA and my daughter was best friends
with the bank manager's daughter.  I really enjoyed telling him what had
happened.  A few months after that the loan officer was gone.

Jo
GaDragonfly - 06 Sep 2007 19:27 GMT
> Thank you for dealing with one auto shop.  And probably scaring the snot out
> of a few others in the area.
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>
> Jo

I was more fortunate than you, Jo, as I was able to take my business
elsewhere two years ago when I was buying a truck.  I knew what I
wanted, which at the time was either a Colorado or Canyon which are
basically the same truck but the Canyon is a GMC model and Colorado
the Chevrolet model.  I was at the Chevrolet dealer looking at the
truck I wanted and dealing with someone who was treating me fairly
until the next day when I brought my husband with me to look at it.
Suddenly I no longer existed to the point that the salesman called my
husband two days later to ask if we had decided yet to buy the truck.
It was my truck, my trade-in, my (inherited) money.  DH told him that
we hadn't decided quite yet.  A month later the salesman called DH
again and asked if we'd decided. At that time DH explained that yes, I
had decided to take my business to someone who would deal with me and
not my husband and that while there I not only bought my GMC Canyon I
also bought him a Pontiac GTO. I would have loved to have seen the
expression on the salesman's face when he heard that one :)

Good luck with the repairs,
Julie
Matthew - 06 Sep 2007 21:47 GMT
>>>>Makes me glad when I bought my 2007 f-150 I got the extended warranty
>>>>and
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>
> Jo

Many years ago due to my first marriage.  I learned to always video tape,
audio tape and have a witness; a lawyer, when we do any type of contract or
business deals.  This help out a lot when my now ex tried to say she did not
know what she signed.  We played the video tape of her being explained the
prenup and her saying I understand.  Got her a@@ that way. :^)

Something similar happened to me this year when I went to buy my new truck.
A ford dealership called Greenway ford in Orlando.  I was dealing with a
woman salesperson.  I wanted a certain things  for certain  reasons.  I
wanted non power windows or door locks.  Many years ago I got trapped in a
car due to those never again.  She keep steering me towards the "boy toys"
the trucks with all the bells and whistles.  I said I want this as the base
the rest we will see.   She went as far as telling me that they did not have
what I wanted in stock while their website said they had 25.  I had also
called and confirmed the 25 were on site.   I said I would think about it.
I called another dealer called Sunstate the guy said don't worry what we
have on the website come down and we will talk.  I walked in and he said
what are you looking for.  I told him he walked out brought me to the 7
vehicles.  He told me this is exactly what you want.  Here are the same
thing with other stuff on them.  He told me if you go this way it will cost
this  but if you go this way  you qualify for this extra rebate.  I went
with the way with the extra money back  and I put it towards the warranty
and maintenance plan.  I got a few bells and whistles extra such as rhino
bed lining, a tool box, MP3 player 6 cd changer.
Well the lady called me while I was sitting in the office.  I told the sales
guy who it was and he showed me a picture and ask if it was her.  I said yes
he asked for the phone and said hi Honey I wanted to say thank you for
breaking up with me so I don't feel bad for taking your commission.  the
whole sales room was laughing so hard.  It was his ex girlfriend who had
broke up with him the week before.  The guy threw in the zylon wax inside
and out for the heck of it.   Karma is a b@tch
jofirey - 06 Sep 2007 16:13 GMT
>>We need to replace the fuel filter on Charlie's 2004 Dodge neon.
>>
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>
> Good luck!

Thank you for the suggestion.  Hadn't thought about Car Talk.

Jo

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