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Cat Forum / Cat Anecdotes / September 2007Switching Kittens' Food
Even though the last Nutro "alert" was probably not anything to worry about, still, I didn't feel comfortable continuing to feed Da Boyz their Nutro Max Kitten Chicken and Liver flavored canned food. They have always polished off their own food and then went scrounging the adults' food dishes, so they've been eating *some* canned Fancy Feast pate flavors. They are a little over 4 months old now. Formula-wise, I don't see much difference between Nutro Max Kitten and FF - they both have meat and meat broth listed as the first three ingredients. What do you guys think? Is it too early to switch them over? Is there another kitten food that safe (never been on any of the recalled lists)?  SignatureHugs, CatNipped See all my masters here: http://www.PossiblePlaces.com/CatNipped/ > Even though the last Nutro "alert" was probably not anything to worry > about, still, I didn't feel comfortable continuing to feed Da Boyz [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > there another kitten food that safe (never been on any of the recalled > lists)? Back in the "old days" my kittens always ate regular cat food since there was no such thing as kitten food back then. They all lived to be 17 to 19 years of age with no health problems all their lives. I wouldn't worry about switching them to a quality adult cat food at their age since they seem so healthy now. Cheers, Bobble > Even though the last Nutro "alert" was probably not anything to worry about, > still, I didn't feel comfortable continuing to feed Da Boyz their Nutro Max [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > What do you guys think? Is it too early to switch them over? Is there > another kitten food that safe (never been on any of the recalled lists)? My cats have never enjoyed the luxury of "kitten food" - if they were old enough to leave mama, IMO they were old enough to eat normal cat food. Certainly none of mine have ever suffered for it, and those who did not live to a respectable age had health problem unrelated to diet (like feline leukemia or skin cancer). If you have any doubts about the safety of what you're feeding them, by all means change it! >> Even though the last Nutro "alert" was probably not anything to worry >> about, [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > feline leukemia or skin cancer). If you have any doubts about the safety > of what you're feeding them, by all means change it! Sounds like they are making up your mind for you anyway. Go ahead and feed everyone the same thing. Doesn't sound as though either of them is starving. Jo > Even though the last Nutro "alert" was probably not anything to worry about, > still, I didn't feel comfortable continuing to feed Da Boyz their Nutro Max [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > CatNipped I don't know, Lori. Certainly adult food won't hurt them, especially just in the interim till you find a kitten formula you feel comfortable with. I think they're considered "kittens" till they're a year old. They're just so active, and they need a lot of calories. I certainly would never feed kittens under 5 months adult formula, but yours are older than that now, aren't they? Just a suggestion, but Pro Plan makes a liver & chicken canned food, kitten formula. It's Purina, and so far AFAIK Purina's been safe. The price is about the same as Nutro, and I think I remember it's also the same texture. Sherry >> Even though the last Nutro "alert" was probably not anything to worry >> about, [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > I certainly would never feed kittens under 5 months adult formula, but > yours are older They were born April 30, 2007. > than that now, aren't they? > Just a suggestion, but Pro Plan makes a liver & chicken canned food, > kitten formula. It's Purina, and so > far AFAIK Purina's been safe. The price is about the same as Nutro, Yep, Purina makes Fancy Feast and AFAIK none of their brands have been recalled. Thanks! Hugs, CatNipped > and I think I remember it's > also the same texture. > > Sherry >> Even though the last Nutro "alert" was probably not anything to worry >> about, [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > Sherry Purina Pro was what we gave our kitten once we got a free bag of it- she decided she liked it a lot better than the Iams kitten formula. She's graduated to the adult formula - and the kitten formula made a big difference in her coat and all. Woodgie also liked their canned formula, too, BTW... Kathy >>> Even though the last Nutro "alert" was probably not anything to worry >>> about, [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > too, BTW... > Kathy I wouldn't feed any of my cats on dry cat food exclusively (they get a little for between meal munchies), so I'm looking for a good canned kitten formula by a manufacturer who has never been on a recall list (I know, I'm not asking for much, huh! ;>). Hugs, CatNipped > I wouldn't feed any of my cats on dry cat food exclusively (they get a > little for between meal munchies), so I'm looking for a good canned kitten > formula by a manufacturer who has never been on a recall list (I know, I'm > not asking for much, huh! ;>). You might want to take a look at http://hubpages.com/hub/Cat_Food_Review I don't think Fancy Feast canned food has been on the recall lists, has it? Dan >> I wouldn't feed any of my cats on dry cat food exclusively (they get a >> little for between meal munchies), so I'm looking for a good canned kitten [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >I don't think Fancy Feast canned food has been on the recall lists, has it? I could be wrong but I have never seen Fancy Feast on any recall list. This is how rumors get started about things by people saying this or that without checking their facts first. >> [quoted text muted] > > I could be wrong but I have never seen Fancy Feast on any recall list. > > This is how rumors get started about things by people saying this or > that without checking their facts first. Actually, I was saying that I thought it had NOT been on any recall lists. At least, I sure hope not - it's about the only canned food that my furkids will eat. >> I wouldn't feed any of my cats on dry cat food exclusively (they get a >> little for between meal munchies), so I'm looking for a good canned [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I don't think Fancy Feast canned food has been on the recall lists, has > it? No it hasn't, but they don't make a kitten formula (although the adult formula, since it is such high quality, might suffice). Hugs, CatNipped > Dan Lori doesn't Purina make a kitten chow I know Purina owns fancy feast. Plus did you know about this site since you got miniature furballs http://www.catchow.com/home_milestones_kc.aspx >>> I wouldn't feed any of my cats on dry cat food exclusively (they get a >>> little for between meal munchies), so I'm looking for a good canned [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > >> Dan > Lori doesn't Purina make a kitten chow The only kitten canned food they make is "Pro Plan" and I don't know anything about the ingredients in that. > I know Purina owns fancy feast. > > Plus did you know about this site since you got miniature furballs > > http://www.catchow.com/home_milestones_kc.aspx Nope, thanks for the link! Hugs, CatNipped >>>> I wouldn't feed any of my cats on dry cat food exclusively (they get a >>>> little for between meal munchies), so I'm looking for a good canned [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >> >>> Dan > Lori doesn't Purina make a kitten chow > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > http://www.catchow.com/home_milestones_kc.aspx Hmmmmmm. OK, here are the ingredients listed for the "Chicken and Liver" flavor of Pro Plan kitten formula... INGREDIENTS: Chicken, liver, fish, meat by-products, water sufficient for processing, artificial and natural flavors, tricalcium phosphate, brewers rice, guar gum, potassium chloride, added color, salt, taurine, zinc sulfate, Vitamin E supplement, calcium phosphate, thiamine mononitrate, ferrous sulfate, manganese sulfate, Vitamin A supplement, copper sulfate, pyridoxine hydrochloride, niacin, Vitamin B-12 supplement, riboflavin supplement, calcium pantothenate, menadione sodium bisulfite complex (source of Vitamin K activity), Vitamin D-3 supplement, folic acid, potassium iodide, biotin. C-4651 Manufactured by: Nestle Purina PetCare Company, St. Louis, MO 63164 USA Animal feeding tests using AAFCO procedures substantiate that Pro Plan Kitten Chicken & Liver Entree Classic provides complete and balanced nutrition for growth of kittens. Hugs, CatNipped >>>> I wouldn't feed any of my cats on dry cat food exclusively (they get a >>>> little for between meal munchies), so I'm looking for a good canned [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >> >>> Dan Delicious ;-) >> Lori doesn't Purina make a kitten chow >> [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] >>> >>>> Dan > >> Even though the last Nutro "alert" was probably not anything to worry > >> about, [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > too, BTW... > Kathy- Hide quoted text - Kathy, mine have been on Pro Plan for about the last 8 or 9 years. They all like it, and do well on it. They get canned food too, and are real Fancy Feast junkies. The kittens got PP canned kitten food after they got off the A/D. They did well on it too. The only gripe I have is that it's really inconvenient for us. We have to either drive to the city or order it. Have you tried the new Pro Plan Select line? Sherry > What do you guys think? Is it too early to switch them over? Is there > another kitten food that safe (never been on any of the recalled lists)? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > CatNipped//// Miss Lily Whiskers was switched to good quality wet adult food when she was about 12 weeks old and started helping herself to the wet and dry adult food. So, I started feeding her wet food on demand and supplemented her food with cat milk. The important thing to remember is that their energy requirements are much, much higher than adult cats because they need to grow too as well as discharge huge amounts of energy.... Adult food never hurt Miss Lily Whiskers - she's like a little horse and very *solid*. Helen M > Even though the last Nutro "alert" was probably not anything to worry > about, [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > What do you guys think? Is it too early to switch them over? Is there > another kitten food that safe (never been on any of the recalled lists)? Since your little monsters already look like the kitten version of Barry Bonds, I wouldn't worry too much. Dante ate grow cat food almost from the first day I had him, because I simply couldn't keep him out of Stinky's food-- and he looks pretty much like Barry Bonds too, come to think of it. :P >> Even though the last Nutro "alert" was probably not anything to worry >> about, [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > food-- and he looks pretty much like Barry Bonds too, come to think of it. > :P ROTFLMAO! They eat *two cans a day EACH*, *PLUS* they scrounge the adults' food bowls. And yet they still manage to be skinny - long, but skinny. I have no idea where they're putting all that food (but then DH scoops the litter box ;>). I think it's just their natural body type. They also have the very triangular faces and long, LONG tails - to me they look like little orange stripey Abyssinians. Hugs, CatNipped >>> Even though the last Nutro "alert" was probably not anything to worry >>> about, [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > CatNipped I suspect they are using it to fuel metabolisms from hell. (Ask your other cats what I mean) I wouldn't be concerned about kitten food after four months unless it was a kitten that wasn't thriving. Or an exotic breed that takes a little longer to mature. Jo Cat switch them over to fancy feast. You can use kitten chow if you want to it hold more nutrition for growing cats than the regular cats do. Ka'Shay was eating normal food but was still chowing on kitten food by four months old Both her and spirit are dry food furballs but still eat wet when their nose is put into it.<SPOILED> > Even though the last Nutro "alert" was probably not anything to worry > about, [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > What do you guys think? Is it too early to switch them over? Is there > another kitten food that safe (never been on any of the recalled lists)? > Cat switch them over to fancy feast. > You can use kitten chow if you want to it hold more nutrition for growing [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Both her and spirit are dry food furballs but still eat wet when their > nose is put into it.<SPOILED> They do still get Science Diet Kitten Formula dry food to munch on between devouring every speck of canned food in everybody's bowls! ;> This is the latest pictures I took of them, a couple of weeks ago: Archer: http://www.possibleplaces.com/catnipped/Cat_Sizes/100_0802.jpg Ozzy: http://www.possibleplaces.com/catnipped/Cat_Sizes/100_0801.jpg Like I said, they're skinny, but looooooooooooooooong! ;> Hugs, CatNipped I almost thought you had ka'shay there for a second >> Cat switch them over to fancy feast. >> You can use kitten chow if you want to it hold more nutrition for [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > CatNipped >> Cat switch them over to fancy feast. >> You can use kitten chow if you want to it hold more nutrition for [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > CatNipped Look at my Spirit he is long and well muscled the spoiled brat he is Mom keeps giving him snacks so he is getting fat. He is like 19 pounds right now but long and muscled. Got to keep mom from giving him too much but she is about as bad as a cat is for stubbornness > Look at my Spirit he is long and well muscled the spoiled brat he is > Mom keeps giving him snacks so he is getting fat. He is like 19 pounds > right now but long and muscled. Got to keep mom from giving him too much > but she is about as bad as a cat is for stubbornness That sounds like Sammy. He's the 2nd heaviest cat in our clowder, but not an unneeded ounce of fat on him. Sammy is long, lean, and lanky. Ranger is developing that way too. >> Cat switch them over to fancy feast. >> You can use kitten chow if you want to it hold more nutrition for [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > CatNipped Wow. Those are some LONG kitty cat tails. Jo >>> Cat switch them over to fancy feast. >>> You can use kitten chow if you want to it hold more nutrition for [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Jo Yep, you can take one of their tails and wrap it completely around their necks like a furry boa! ;> Hugs, CatNipped > > Cat switch them over to fancy feast. > > You can use kitten chow if you want to it hold more nutrition for growing [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > CatNipped Keep tellin' ya, you're gonna have some huge orange boys. Awww....give them kitten food just a leeetle longer, please? I want to see them reach their FULL grown potential, since we made a bet about this, remember!! :-) Sherry >> > Cat switch them over to fancy feast. >> > You can use kitten chow if you want to it hold more nutrition for [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > see them reach their FULL grown potential, since we made a bet > about this, remember!! :-) LOL! I don't think they'll ever rival Sammy, though. BTW, I have some video I need to process of Archer full-body tackling Sammy and the two of them rolling across the floor - and *SHE'S* the one who mews "uncle"!!! It's hilarious! Hugs, CatNipped > Sherry >> Cat switch them over to fancy feast. >> You can use kitten chow if you want to it hold more nutrition for [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Like I said, they're skinny, but looooooooooooooooong! ;> Looks like the cat show! > little over 4 months old now. Formula-wise, I don't see much difference > between Nutro Max Kitten and FF - they both have meat and meat broth listed > as the first three ingredients. I thought Nutro Max did not have by-products and FF does. SignatureVictor M. Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM) Send your spam here: uce@ftc.gov Email me here: pistorLITTER@BOXaustin.rr.com > > little over 4 months old now. Formula-wise, I don't see much difference > > between Nutro Max Kitten and FF - they both have meat and meat broth listed [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Send your spam here: u...@ftc.gov > Email me here: pistorLIT...@BOXaustin.rr.com There was a weird deal with Nutro a few years ago. It used to be considered about the best cat food around. Then they changed over to a "least cost" formula which means, the ingredients vary. I don't think it's as good as it used to be. (I hope I'm remembering this correctly, there was a lenghty discussion about it on another group a while back) Sherry >> little over 4 months old now. Formula-wise, I don't see much difference >> between Nutro Max Kitten and FF - they both have meat and meat broth >> listed >> as the first three ingredients. > > I thought Nutro Max did not have by-products and FF does. Nope. When Purina bought out the Fancy Feast name brand, they changed their formula (at least for the pate flavors that I use). For instance, the "Tender Beef Feast" has the first five ingredients are beef, beef broth, liver, fish, and then meat by-products. And, actually, "meat by-products" are better for a cat than muscle meat is. The Nutro Max (at least the kitten formula, which is all I ever bought) was about what and what with the Fancy Feast. Here's the FF values, in case anybody is interested: HTML: http://www.possibleplaces.com/Fancy_Feast_Values/ Excel File: http://www.possibleplaces.com/Fancy_Feast_Values/FancyFeastValues.xls Hugs, CatNipped > liver, fish, and then meat by-products. And, actually, "meat by-products" > are better for a cat than muscle meat is. The Nutro Max (at least the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meat_by-product In many cases, by-product meals are derived from "4-D" meat sources -- defined as food animals that have been rejected for human consumption because they were presented to the meat packing plant as "Dead, Dying, Diseased or Disabled." The quality of animal meat by-products also tends to be very inconsistent between batches. Meat by-products are commonly found in lower-grade pet foods and even many of the larger name brands, including Science Diet (even their prescription diet product line), Purina (both Purina One and Purina Pro Plan), and Iams / Eukanuba. Ingredients listed as "meat, beef, chicken, and/or poultry by-products" on pet food labels are not required to include actual meat, and "rendered meat" on labels can refer to any rendered mammal meat, including dogs and cats. SignatureVictor M. Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM) Send your spam here: uce@ftc.gov Email me here: pistorLITTER@BOXaustin.rr.com >> liver, fish, and then meat by-products. And, actually, "meat >> by-products" are better for a cat than muscle meat is. The Nutro Max (at [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > and "rendered meat" on labels can refer to any rendered mammal meat, > including dogs and cats. While some things may not sound very apetizing to humans, for animals, they might still be better than the things we think are. By-products contain *much* more nutrients than muscle meats. Muscle meat (skeletal meat) is very deficient in most vitamins and minerals, cats in the wild eat much more by-products than skeletal meat. I don't really think Fancy Feast is considered a "lower grade" cat food (at least since they changed the formula). For us at least, it has the advantage of being *very* appealing to our crew, and it has kept them in continued good health with gleaming, shiny coats - so I'm not going to mess with success! ;> SignatureHugs, CatNipped See all my masters at: http://www.PossiblePlaces.com/CatNipped/
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